Or more like a belief in a slightly different superstition. You can spot the people who really believe in atheism and want to evangelise it as much as possible.
No, atheism isn't a a belief, it's the lack of one. And atheists who spend time trying to convince others are few and far between. Most are just not concerned with what others believe at all. Of all the atheists I know, and that's quite a lot, I'm the one most likely to join in an argument about it. But that's more that I like an argument. There are no group meetings. There's nothing to join.
Those with religion like to imagine atheism is just another religion. I'm not sure whether it's a desire to drag everyone down to their own level, or because they habitually make tenuous connections, and something ending in "ism" sounds like it might be a religion.
Here's a great way to troll atheists - get them to try to prove that Richard Dawkins exists.
You've never trolled an atheist with that in your life. It doesn't even start to have the makings of a workable troll theme.
I find it ridiculous that the "scientific" or perhaps even self-proclaimed "enlightened" mindset on Christianity is that it all boils down to the crusades. It is no different than saying since Hitler or Stalin were atheists that all atheism boils down to genocide and will for all time.
Hitler and Stalin didn't do what they did in the name of atheism. Atheism isn't an organised group doing things in it's name. It's just the lack of a particular kind of superstition.
The Crusades were certainly done by organised groups of christians acting in the name of christianity.
You mean the same Crusades where a group of people tried to regain access to the Holy Land after it was cut off? What do you think the Muslims would do if Israel cut off access to the "Dome of the Rock"? Would you blame them? When they attack Israel, would you call it "among the most evil human undertakings ever"?
Shit like this is just adding weight to the argument that religion is bad. Fighting over something with mumbo-jumbo significance is crazy.
so anything with deceitful motivation is bad no matter what they do?
so anything with spiteful motivation is bad no matter what they do?
so anything with racist motivation is bad no matter what they do?
so anything with murderous motivation is bad no matter what they do?
I'm reminded of the old moral teaser: If you could go back in time to before Hitler went into politics, and you had the opportunity to murder him, should you? Maybe murder isn't always bad?
(Godwin smodwin.)
Religion is bad, even when there is a coincident good.
So, you're saying that the mighty engineers at the insurance company
Engineers at an insurance company?! Wow, you really are naive.
On other news, you can do all that with an Arduino and an old mobile phone, at home and without much trouble. Actually, sorry, that's just the jerkoffs, I doubt you could.
Get yourself out of the basement idiot. You don't know how the real world works. Its not the same as your hobby projects.
It ooks like you can't even comprehend the short article you linked to.
"Music disc copyright protection schemes such a Cactus Data Shield 100/200 and KeyAudio can be circumvented using tools as basic as marker pens and electrical tape, crackers have discovered."...The cracking technique seems crude, but Reg reader insomnia skunk tells us he was able to use it to defeat the copyright protection on Natalie Imbruglia's 'White Lilies Island' CD, early version of which used Cactus Data Shield 200 anti-rip technology."
This proves your claim wrong. The crack worked on a CD that had been out months. The fact that Key2Audio had come out later is irrelevant. CDs that could be hacked that way had been out for months.
There is actually are actually some "solutions" to the problem I gave you that would make it harder to cut the power to the gps, but it has nothing to do with batteries.
You see, a day later and you're already realising there are ways around the naive hacks you thought of in 3 seconds.
Because what you're trying to solve has yet to be 100% resolved by any after-market car alarm solution (to my knowledge).
Tell that to Ron Paul. Plenty of supporters in the intertubes. Millions to spend on PR. But not as many millions as some other candidates, and so he doesn't get close. TV ads and news coverage is still vital.
Far from it. All over Europe too it's pretty normal. We've got plenty of politicians now admitting they took recreational drugs when they were students.
Sadly that doesn't usually make them vote for repeal of prohibition, because they are two faced bastards who will follow whatever they think gets them more votes.
The story that people were afraid to get into the elevator with him in case they got fired was certainly in the media. But it sounds apocryphal. In reality I'm sure most employees would have welcomed some time with Jobs.
They never could count on him to figure out the next new thing correctly. (Can anyone say 'Lisa'? 'Cube'?)
What? Your expectation is for every single product to work out? A hen that lays golden eggs? Dream on, it doesn't exist. Jobs had more products that were milestones in computer evolution than he had failures. That's a pretty unique success rate.
Why do slashdotters hate success so much? Does it make them feel inadequate?
GPS sensors have been cheap longer than that. But this requires a black box with not only GPS, but accelerometer, and some electronics and software to run it. Actually in this particular configuration it requires bluetooth and GSM as well. The components aren't expensive, but it requires someone to create the box that puts it all together. And to sell that box at a price that makes sense for an insurance company to pick up on it. This stuff has been expensive previously because the existing customers for it are corporates running fleets of commercial vehicles. It's not been consumer level kit.
Don't make stuff up. You're just confirming you're a jerk.
On the other hand, please describe a GPS device that can foil any of those 3 approaches.
I already did. As I pointed out there's a black box with an accelerometer in. Add a backup battery and it's trivial to log when you're driving without GPS, and if you interrupt the ignition power. But that's off the top of MY head in 3 secs because you ask the question. I fully expect the engineers that have been working on the unit, and thus know more than either of us to be able to think of a more sophisticated answer.
Once again you're a fucking idiot if you think you can outwit a device by just thinking of the most naive approach having just read about it on Slashdot. Sort yourself out and don't be so dumb in future.
You know, there is a reason why this hasn't been done before, and I'm sure it wasn't because insurance people are nice and don't want to invade your privacy.
Because the technology wasn't there at a price that made it worthwhile.
My point isn't that holes cannot eventually be found in systems, when they get into the hands of hackers. It's purely the jerkoff posters who read a story about a new system, imagine the most naive implementation, and post the first possible flaw they can think of in 3 seconds. The thought that if they can think of it in 3 seconds, it's already been considered by the engineers doesn't seem to occur to them. It's irritating when you get many examples of this stupidity in the comments to a story.
For sure, when the story of those protected CDs came out, someone who'd never seen an example of the CD didn't come up with with the marker pen trick 3 seconds after they'd read the story on Slashdot.
A GPS that doesn't even have a pre-built map? It relies on previous Waze user having driven that way before. What could possibly be wrong with that.
Massive fail.
The reason serious drivers still buy dedicated GPSs rather than use app son phones is that the dedicated units are better. The accuracy of positon and the quality of routing on Google Navigator vs Garmin Nuvi is beyond a joke. Google Navigator will get you there, but the Garmin user will be waiting for you when you arrive.
No, it's be spoiled by your wife who drives within speed limits, breaks and accelerates smoothly, and takes corners gently with both hands controlling the wheel. Obviously her much shorter stopping distances will completely fuck up the numbers for your policy and you'll end up being victimised by the insurance company.
Insurance is slavery? I thought employing chinese workers at above average wages was slavery?/s
Sorry I can't take these "X is the new form of slavery" posts seriously when the traditional kind of slavery (people forced to work at a particular job with no choice and no pay) is more popular now than it's ever been.
I can't vouch for the rest of the world, but in the UK speeding is only the primary cause of a small percentage of accidents and most of them are extreme speeding (e.g. 60mph in a 30) rather than people doing 10mph above the limit.
And numerous studies have shown that the safest drivers are around the 85th percentile by speed. They're certainly safer than those who mindlessly drive at the speed limit because they're unable to determine the safe speed for the conditions by themselves.
Apparently speeding also makes people above average abusers of statistics. In the UK most of this kind of misinformation came from a guy called Paul Smith who ran a website pretending to be an organisation. And he completely twisted all the statistics he ever got his hands on. But because the likes of the Daily Mail repeated this stuff unquestioningly, it's common belief amongst the Jeremy Clarkson clones of the country.
Smith died a few years ago, so you don't get the quite so much of this shit now.
Yet out here in the real world, motorways are the safest roads in Britain
Because of their higher speed? Or because the carriageways are separated, there is no parked cars or pedestrians or traffic lights or roundabouts or tight corners etc. This is exactly the kind of abuse of statistics that Smith used to do. A pound to a penny you have read his web-site. The ironically named ""Safe Speed".
even though we are in a less accident risk activity?
If that's true, it'll quickly come out in the stats that that pattern of driving isn't a risk indicator.
Pretty much everyone thinks they're an above average drivers and extrapolates that their particular pattern of driving is safe. It ain't necessarily so.
The great thing about collecting the data and creating the stats is we'll know the truth, rather than have all this posturing and opinions.
There's healthy competition in the insurance markets. If you're genuinely a low risk and the insurance companies know it, you'll get lower rates than if they don't know it.
If it loses the signal, it's still got ignition and accelerometer to know you are driving. If you do a lot of driving with no GPS data, they're perhaps either going to send an engineer out to fix it, or up your premiums.
Why assume that if you can think of a potential way around it in 3 seconds, then the engineers didn't already think that one through? It's such a dumb assumption.
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Or more like a belief in a slightly different superstition. You can spot the people who really believe in atheism and want to evangelise it as much as possible.
No, atheism isn't a a belief, it's the lack of one. And atheists who spend time trying to convince others are few and far between. Most are just not concerned with what others believe at all. Of all the atheists I know, and that's quite a lot, I'm the one most likely to join in an argument about it. But that's more that I like an argument. There are no group meetings. There's nothing to join.
Those with religion like to imagine atheism is just another religion. I'm not sure whether it's a desire to drag everyone down to their own level, or because they habitually make tenuous connections, and something ending in "ism" sounds like it might be a religion.
Here's a great way to troll atheists - get them to try to prove that Richard Dawkins exists.
You've never trolled an atheist with that in your life. It doesn't even start to have the makings of a workable troll theme.
I find it ridiculous that the "scientific" or perhaps even self-proclaimed "enlightened" mindset on Christianity is that it all boils down to the crusades. It is no different than saying since Hitler or Stalin were atheists that all atheism boils down to genocide and will for all time.
Hitler and Stalin didn't do what they did in the name of atheism. Atheism isn't an organised group doing things in it's name. It's just the lack of a particular kind of superstition.
The Crusades were certainly done by organised groups of christians acting in the name of christianity.
You mean the same Crusades where a group of people tried to regain access to the Holy Land after it was cut off? What do you think the Muslims would do if Israel cut off access to the "Dome of the Rock"? Would you blame them? When they attack Israel, would you call it "among the most evil human undertakings ever"?
Shit like this is just adding weight to the argument that religion is bad. Fighting over something with mumbo-jumbo significance is crazy.
As opposed to the Muslims who conquered Palestine, North Africa, Iberia, Persia, Mesopotamia and southeastern Europe?
It sounds like the poster was giving the crusades as an example of religion being bad, not christianity per se.
So that wouldn't be "as opposed to the Muslims who..." but "somewhat like the muslims who..."
so anything with deceitful motivation is bad no matter what they do?
so anything with spiteful motivation is bad no matter what they do?
so anything with racist motivation is bad no matter what they do?
so anything with murderous motivation is bad no matter what they do?
I'm reminded of the old moral teaser: If you could go back in time to before Hitler went into politics, and you had the opportunity to murder him, should you? Maybe murder isn't always bad?
(Godwin smodwin.)
Religion is bad, even when there is a coincident good.
Please, do continue with your idiotic diarrhea of ideas, I'm enjoying myself (:
You don't know when you're beaten, kid.
So, you're saying that the mighty engineers at the insurance company
Engineers at an insurance company?! Wow, you really are naive.
On other news, you can do all that with an Arduino and an old mobile phone, at home and without much trouble. Actually, sorry, that's just the jerkoffs, I doubt you could.
Get yourself out of the basement idiot. You don't know how the real world works. Its not the same as your hobby projects.
It ooks like you can't even comprehend the short article you linked to.
"Music disc copyright protection schemes such a Cactus Data Shield 100/200 and KeyAudio can be circumvented using tools as basic as marker pens and electrical tape, crackers have discovered." ...The cracking technique seems crude, but Reg reader insomnia skunk tells us he was able to use it to defeat the copyright protection on Natalie Imbruglia's 'White Lilies Island' CD, early version of which used Cactus Data Shield 200 anti-rip technology."
This proves your claim wrong. The crack worked on a CD that had been out months. The fact that Key2Audio had come out later is irrelevant. CDs that could be hacked that way had been out for months.
There is actually are actually some "solutions" to the problem I gave you that would make it harder to cut the power to the gps, but it has nothing to do with batteries.
You see, a day later and you're already realising there are ways around the naive hacks you thought of in 3 seconds.
Because what you're trying to solve has yet to be 100% resolved by any after-market car alarm solution (to my knowledge).
It's not the same problem as an alarm system.
Tell that to Ron Paul. Plenty of supporters in the intertubes. Millions to spend on PR. But not as many millions as some other candidates, and so he doesn't get close. TV ads and news coverage is still vital.
Far from it. All over Europe too it's pretty normal. We've got plenty of politicians now admitting they took recreational drugs when they were students.
Sadly that doesn't usually make them vote for repeal of prohibition, because they are two faced bastards who will follow whatever they think gets them more votes.
The story that people were afraid to get into the elevator with him in case they got fired was certainly in the media. But it sounds apocryphal. In reality I'm sure most employees would have welcomed some time with Jobs.
They never could count on him to figure out the next new thing correctly. (Can anyone say 'Lisa'? 'Cube'?)
What? Your expectation is for every single product to work out? A hen that lays golden eggs? Dream on, it doesn't exist. Jobs had more products that were milestones in computer evolution than he had failures. That's a pretty unique success rate.
Why do slashdotters hate success so much? Does it make them feel inadequate?
Reality doesn't fit in with your bile. If you're RTFA, you'd have discovered he got the job. Dimwit.
GPS sensors have been cheap longer than that. But this requires a black box with not only GPS, but accelerometer, and some electronics and software to run it. Actually in this particular configuration it requires bluetooth and GSM as well. The components aren't expensive, but it requires someone to create the box that puts it all together. And to sell that box at a price that makes sense for an insurance company to pick up on it.
This stuff has been expensive previously because the existing customers for it are corporates running fleets of commercial vehicles. It's not been consumer level kit.
Actually, they came up with the CD "trick" the exact same day it was put on sale.
Bullshit. I remember perfectly well they'd been out a long time before that hack was thought up. Your article is dated May 2002, the CD it mentions as having being cracked was released sometime in 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Imbruglia#2001.E2.80.932004:_White_Lilies_Island_and_Johnny_English
Don't make stuff up. You're just confirming you're a jerk.
On the other hand, please describe a GPS device that can foil any of those 3 approaches.
I already did. As I pointed out there's a black box with an accelerometer in. Add a backup battery and it's trivial to log when you're driving without GPS, and if you interrupt the ignition power. But that's off the top of MY head in 3 secs because you ask the question. I fully expect the engineers that have been working on the unit, and thus know more than either of us to be able to think of a more sophisticated answer.
Once again you're a fucking idiot if you think you can outwit a device by just thinking of the most naive approach having just read about it on Slashdot. Sort yourself out and don't be so dumb in future.
You know, there is a reason why this hasn't been done before, and I'm sure it wasn't because insurance people are nice and don't want to invade your privacy.
Because the technology wasn't there at a price that made it worthwhile.
And why are their engineers better than anyone else? Do you remember this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/14/marker_pens_sticky_tape_crack/ . I do (:
My point isn't that holes cannot eventually be found in systems, when they get into the hands of hackers. It's purely the jerkoff posters who read a story about a new system, imagine the most naive implementation, and post the first possible flaw they can think of in 3 seconds. The thought that if they can think of it in 3 seconds, it's already been considered by the engineers doesn't seem to occur to them. It's irritating when you get many examples of this stupidity in the comments to a story.
For sure, when the story of those protected CDs came out, someone who'd never seen an example of the CD didn't come up with with the marker pen trick 3 seconds after they'd read the story on Slashdot.
I'll take my honesty over the nonsense from the haters, any day.
Hello Mr Waze employee.
A GPS that doesn't even have a pre-built map? It relies on previous Waze user having driven that way before. What could possibly be wrong with that.
Massive fail.
The reason serious drivers still buy dedicated GPSs rather than use app son phones is that the dedicated units are better. The accuracy of positon and the quality of routing on Google Navigator vs Garmin Nuvi is beyond a joke. Google Navigator will get you there, but the Garmin user will be waiting for you when you arrive.
No, it's be spoiled by your wife who drives within speed limits, breaks and accelerates smoothly, and takes corners gently with both hands controlling the wheel. Obviously her much shorter stopping distances will completely fuck up the numbers for your policy and you'll end up being victimised by the insurance company.
Insurance is slavery? I thought employing chinese workers at above average wages was slavery? /s
Sorry I can't take these "X is the new form of slavery" posts seriously when the traditional kind of slavery (people forced to work at a particular job with no choice and no pay) is more popular now than it's ever been.
I explained my optimism. You just stated your pessimism, as if pessimism is always right. It's not.
I can't vouch for the rest of the world, but in the UK speeding is only the primary cause of a small percentage of accidents and most of them are extreme speeding (e.g. 60mph in a 30) rather than people doing 10mph above the limit.
And numerous studies have shown that the safest drivers are around the 85th percentile by speed. They're certainly safer than those who mindlessly drive at the speed limit because they're unable to determine the safe speed for the conditions by themselves.
Apparently speeding also makes people above average abusers of statistics. In the UK most of this kind of misinformation came from a guy called Paul Smith who ran a website pretending to be an organisation. And he completely twisted all the statistics he ever got his hands on. But because the likes of the Daily Mail repeated this stuff unquestioningly, it's common belief amongst the Jeremy Clarkson clones of the country.
Smith died a few years ago, so you don't get the quite so much of this shit now.
Yet out here in the real world, motorways are the safest roads in Britain
Because of their higher speed? Or because the carriageways are separated, there is no parked cars or pedestrians or traffic lights or roundabouts or tight corners etc. This is exactly the kind of abuse of statistics that Smith used to do. A pound to a penny you have read his web-site. The ironically named ""Safe Speed".
even though we are in a less accident risk activity?
If that's true, it'll quickly come out in the stats that that pattern of driving isn't a risk indicator.
Pretty much everyone thinks they're an above average drivers and extrapolates that their particular pattern of driving is safe. It ain't necessarily so.
The great thing about collecting the data and creating the stats is we'll know the truth, rather than have all this posturing and opinions.
There's healthy competition in the insurance markets. If you're genuinely a low risk and the insurance companies know it, you'll get lower rates than if they don't know it.
If it loses the signal, it's still got ignition and accelerometer to know you are driving. If you do a lot of driving with no GPS data, they're perhaps either going to send an engineer out to fix it, or up your premiums.
Why assume that if you can think of a potential way around it in 3 seconds, then the engineers didn't already think that one through? It's such a dumb assumption.