I'd like to see that complete interview. There's another clip from the same interview where he talks about Xerox Parc. There's also a clip from the interview where he has a go at Microsoft for having no taste, and saying that Apple got the idea for proper typography on the Mac from looking at beautiful books.
I have a feeling this clip refers to the latter rather than the former. But without the whole interview it's impossible to tell.
Well clearly they are or they wouldn't be on sale in dozens of form factors and price points from generic no-name chinese models, to Amazon Kindle / B&N Nook tablets and pushing upwards through $250 to Asus, Acer, Lenovo, Samsung tablets.
Those same manufacturers were trying to sell dozens of models of Netbook previously. They didn't sell well either.
Indeed tablet sales for the last 3 months of 2011 were 57% iPad and 43% other, mostly Android.
39% of them are Android. And by no means are most of them $250.
Hi. I think you need to understand the concept of the median. Statistics 101 is not a bad idea.
I know perfectly well what the median is. You obviously need to learn about company results if you think that it's something we can work out. I gave the average (the mean) because that is the ONLY gauge we can get from the results to give an idea what type of Macs are selling.
It's interesting information. Your post was pointless.
Are you saying that tablets are replacing PC's? That every tablet sold is a PC not purchased?
No but it's certainly sometimes a laptop not bought. And sales figures of netbooks falling off a cliff suggest people who would otherwise have bought a netbook are buying an iPad instead.
Now go ahead and try and do some serious work. Coding? Photo editing? Movie Editing?
Most people aren't doing those things. They come home from a hard days work, and the computer is just there for easy leisure, the odd bit of information retrieval, a bit of social networking, just like their PC was.
The tablet has it's role: convenient web surfing, music, recipe file etc.
Actually, it's 100% correct. I emphasized a key word for you, hope that helps.
It just helps show you're not even consistent with your tenses. You previously used the present tense
"I can write Windows apps on Linux and vice versa. I can write Android and Blackberry apps on any system I like. I don't need to buy additional hardware or pay for special software. This is not the case with iOS development."
Why is this so important to you?
I'm still posting. But then so are you. Why don't you accept when you are wrong?
To say "PC is on the way out" you need to compare not sales and market share, but install base.
Not at all.
Windows PC desktop might be on its way out, though it's still not somewhere in the near future, but it surely won't be replaced by Macs. Even "Soon everyone will throw away PC and buy a tablet" (note the "a") sounds more reasonable than this.
Well of course if you include tablet sales, Apple's products displacing PCs will be even more rapid.
In fact if you include iPad sales in with Macs against PCs, Apple has about 40% of the worldwide market right now.
I'd love to see the numbers broken down by price as i'd bet my last buck the vast majority of OSX's gains are below $1000 units.
Well we can get the average price is easy enough. Divide Mac revenue by units in the Apple results. Answer $1282.
In a way its the same thing we are seeing with tablets now, where many that would have bought one were turned off by the price but now we are seeing all these nice sub $250 Android tablets the sales are climbing, same thing.
But people aren't buying those sub-$250 tablets. They're buying $500 iPads.
those that held off because they couldn't see paying $2k+ for a Mac
I don't remember a time when there weren't sub $1000 Macs. Certainly not in the last decade.
Right now most shops will tell you its just a trickle but as it gets closer to Apr 2014 that trickle will become a flood as all those people that thought their current PC was 'good enough" decide they'd rather buy a new one than pay to upgrade their old.
Increasingly those people are buying Macs instead of PCs. 18% of them worldwide. Something rather higher than that in the US.
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Yeah you're right. Apple users probably do get more sex and PC users are more likely to be homophobic.
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Oh my, how optimistic. You're totally not mistaking sales growth with installed base share.
You're right I'm not mistaking it. I explicitly said unit sales growth and that's what I meant. Also known as market share.
There's a billion or so PCs in the world with about 5% of them being Macs. With about 12 million Macs sold last year, it'll take just ~80 years to completely replace the PC
Yeah right. Because those PCs will still be running in 80 years. And suddenly the growth in Mac unit sales is going to stop.
BTW your Mac sales is out of date. Over the last 12 months they've sold 17 million. Rapid growth you see.
Even more interestingly, going on last quarters Mac and PC unit sales, Apple has 18% of the worldwide market share. (Apple results/Gartner worldwide PC shipments).
Going back to the head of this sub-tthread and searching through indicates that the word "always" was never used.
Someone else on another branch of the thread wrongly said Xcode was always free. That doesn't make you right on the false statement you have made on this sub-thread with me.
I repeat XCode is free. The statement you made: "Cost of Xcode if you were running 10.6 instead of 10.7? $4.99" is wrong.
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That's OK. As PCs go increasingly out of style, there will be even more junk parts hanging around for your projects.
Meanwhile, most people just want a good computer in the case it came in. And the best of those are the Macs.
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No, I don't take credit for it. But if you want to believe that, that's OK by me.
You have a point, but I imagine it will be some time before a "largely workable" system is permitted to operate a vehicle on public roads.
BMW in Germany already have test autonomous vehicles running on public roads amongst ordinary traffic.
But for general use I think it'll happen gradually.There are already publicly available systems that will apply the brakes for you if you are going to collide with the vehicle in front. And systems that will stop you from veering out of lane on a highways. There are even cars already out there that will perform parallel parking for you.
Aircraft autopilots didn't start doing landings from day one. They evolved from much simpler systems. Each step proving itself for a long time.
Sure. But it's still an interesting question. It's illegal for a driver to speed or jump a red light or whatever, but if an automated car with 4 people in it does one of those things, who, if anyone, has broken the law?
so someone has to be sitting in front of the boxen to exploit the exploit, why not just init 1?
Or they could use axen to destroy the boxen. Or set some foxen on them to tear them to pieces. Or they could fill the boxen with melted waxen. Or bury them in faxen. This exploit is usable by people of both sexen, so long as they pay their taxen.
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Even more interesting is the news that in the last quarter Mac unit sales grew 20% whilst PCs declined 8.5%.
It's good to see (mostly Windows) PCs on their way out, replaced by Macs.
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It's official: iOS now has more marketshare than Android. Reuters reports that Apple completely erased Android's marketshare lead, confirming earlier reports by both Nielsen and NPD. Over 150 Android smartphones couldn't outcompete the iPhone 4S. With 37 million iPhones sold last quarter, Apple is the largest smartphone marker, and their profits exceed Googleâ(TM)s entire revenue, $13 billion to $10.6 billion. Finally, with 15 million iPads sold last quarter, the tablet market is now larger than the entire desktop PC market.
Remember that Slashdot triumphantly posted in January 2011 about Android surpassing iOS in marketshare. A year later when the opposite happens? Not a peep. Talk about bias.
SUVs are falling out of favor, and falling in sales. What will the leftists do when SUVs are rare? What will they target next? I'm guessing anything with an internal combustion engine, no matter how efficient.
Sure, why not. That's a slippery slope with a quite acceptable end. Although that's more of a green issue than a left issue.
Or maybe cars without government-installed tracking devices or kill-switches.
That's definitely not a left/right issue. That's a libertarian/authoritarian issue.
So, then, you are admitting that it is in fact true that special cables are required for newer iPods, not required for previous iPods, even though the connectors are the same, and the actual video which comes out of them is the same
1) You never mentioned AV cables in your opening post. The standard cable is a dock connector to USB, and is included.
2) Most people don't need AV cables.
3) You're whining about "orders of magnitude" when the more expensive one is $4.99. Needless to say you haven't included shipping for either.
4) The more expensive one is available for $4.99. You claimed it was $40.
5) You claim the one I linked to isn't the same as the one you linked to. No, the one I linked to had USB in addition to everything your cable had. More for less.
6) None of these cables are "chip-locked".
Well then I accept your apology.
I didn't make one, moron. If I'd have realised just how low your IQ was, I'd not have bothered responding to your opening post.
I think I can guess why this is happening. People on contracts generally get to change their phone every couple of years. Increasingly people are replacing a smartphone with another, rather than buying their first smartphone. And so satisfaction with their existing smartphone plays a big part of the decision. And that's bad news for everyone but Apple.
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I'd like to see that complete interview. There's another clip from the same interview where he talks about Xerox Parc. There's also a clip from the interview where he has a go at Microsoft for having no taste, and saying that Apple got the idea for proper typography on the Mac from looking at beautiful books.
I have a feeling this clip refers to the latter rather than the former. But without the whole interview it's impossible to tell.
Well clearly they are or they wouldn't be on sale in dozens of form factors and price points from generic no-name chinese models, to Amazon Kindle / B&N Nook tablets and pushing upwards through $250 to Asus, Acer, Lenovo, Samsung tablets.
Those same manufacturers were trying to sell dozens of models of Netbook previously. They didn't sell well either.
Indeed tablet sales for the last 3 months of 2011 were 57% iPad and 43% other, mostly Android.
39% of them are Android. And by no means are most of them $250.
Hi. I think you need to understand the concept of the median. Statistics 101 is not a bad idea.
I know perfectly well what the median is. You obviously need to learn about company results if you think that it's something we can work out. I gave the average (the mean) because that is the ONLY gauge we can get from the results to give an idea what type of Macs are selling.
It's interesting information. Your post was pointless.
Are you saying that tablets are replacing PC's? That every tablet sold is a PC not purchased?
No but it's certainly sometimes a laptop not bought. And sales figures of netbooks falling off a cliff suggest people who would otherwise have bought a netbook are buying an iPad instead.
Now go ahead and try and do some serious work. Coding? Photo editing? Movie Editing?
Most people aren't doing those things. They come home from a hard days work, and the computer is just there for easy leisure, the odd bit of information retrieval, a bit of social networking, just like their PC was.
The tablet has it's role: convenient web surfing, music, recipe file etc.
Exactly.
Actually, it's 100% correct. I emphasized a key word for you, hope that helps.
It just helps show you're not even consistent with your tenses. You previously used the present tense
"I can write Windows apps on Linux and vice versa. I can write Android and Blackberry apps on any system I like. I don't need to buy additional hardware or pay for special software. This is not the case with iOS development."
Why is this so important to you?
I'm still posting. But then so are you. Why don't you accept when you are wrong?
To say "PC is on the way out" you need to compare not sales and market share, but install base.
Not at all.
Windows PC desktop might be on its way out, though it's still not somewhere in the near future, but it surely won't be replaced by Macs. Even "Soon everyone will throw away PC and buy a tablet" (note the "a") sounds more reasonable than this.
Well of course if you include tablet sales, Apple's products displacing PCs will be even more rapid.
In fact if you include iPad sales in with Macs against PCs, Apple has about 40% of the worldwide market right now.
I'd love to see the numbers broken down by price as i'd bet my last buck the vast majority of OSX's gains are below $1000 units.
Well we can get the average price is easy enough. Divide Mac revenue by units in the Apple results. Answer $1282.
In a way its the same thing we are seeing with tablets now, where many that would have bought one were turned off by the price but now we are seeing all these nice sub $250 Android tablets the sales are climbing, same thing.
But people aren't buying those sub-$250 tablets. They're buying $500 iPads.
those that held off because they couldn't see paying $2k+ for a Mac
I don't remember a time when there weren't sub $1000 Macs. Certainly not in the last decade.
Right now most shops will tell you its just a trickle but as it gets closer to Apr 2014 that trickle will become a flood as all those people that thought their current PC was 'good enough" decide they'd rather buy a new one than pay to upgrade their old.
Increasingly those people are buying Macs instead of PCs. 18% of them worldwide. Something rather higher than that in the US.
Yeah you're right. Apple users probably do get more sex and PC users are more likely to be homophobic.
Oh my, how optimistic. You're totally not mistaking sales growth with installed base share.
You're right I'm not mistaking it. I explicitly said unit sales growth and that's what I meant. Also known as market share.
There's a billion or so PCs in the world with about 5% of them being Macs. With about 12 million Macs sold last year, it'll take just ~80 years to completely replace the PC
Yeah right. Because those PCs will still be running in 80 years. And suddenly the growth in Mac unit sales is going to stop.
BTW your Mac sales is out of date. Over the last 12 months they've sold 17 million. Rapid growth you see.
Even more interestingly, going on last quarters Mac and PC unit sales, Apple has 18% of the worldwide market share. (Apple results/Gartner worldwide PC shipments).
Going back to the head of this sub-tthread and searching through indicates that the word "always" was never used.
Someone else on another branch of the thread wrongly said Xcode was always free. That doesn't make you right on the false statement you have made on this sub-thread with me.
I repeat XCode is free. The statement you made: "Cost of Xcode if you were running 10.6 instead of 10.7? $4.99" is wrong.
That's OK. As PCs go increasingly out of style, there will be even more junk parts hanging around for your projects.
Meanwhile, most people just want a good computer in the case it came in. And the best of those are the Macs.
No, I don't take credit for it. But if you want to believe that, that's OK by me.
You have a point, but I imagine it will be some time before a "largely workable" system is permitted to operate a vehicle on public roads.
BMW in Germany already have test autonomous vehicles running on public roads amongst ordinary traffic.
But for general use I think it'll happen gradually.There are already publicly available systems that will apply the brakes for you if you are going to collide with the vehicle in front. And systems that will stop you from veering out of lane on a highways. There are even cars already out there that will perform parallel parking for you.
Aircraft autopilots didn't start doing landings from day one. They evolved from much simpler systems. Each step proving itself for a long time.
Sure. But it's still an interesting question. It's illegal for a driver to speed or jump a red light or whatever, but if an automated car with 4 people in it does one of those things, who, if anyone, has broken the law?
To err is human, to tear down a sidewalk at 55 miles per hour takes a computer.
Or alcohol.
so someone has to be sitting in front of the boxen to exploit the exploit, why not just init 1?
Or they could use axen to destroy the boxen. Or set some foxen on them to tear them to pieces. Or they could fill the boxen with melted waxen. Or bury them in faxen. This exploit is usable by people of both sexen, so long as they pay their taxen.
Even more interesting is the news that in the last quarter Mac unit sales grew 20% whilst PCs declined 8.5%.
It's good to see (mostly Windows) PCs on their way out, replaced by Macs.
It's official: iOS now has more marketshare than Android. Reuters reports that Apple completely erased Android's marketshare lead, confirming earlier reports by both Nielsen and NPD. Over 150 Android smartphones couldn't outcompete the iPhone 4S. With 37 million iPhones sold last quarter, Apple is the largest smartphone marker, and their profits exceed Googleâ(TM)s entire revenue, $13 billion to $10.6 billion. Finally, with 15 million iPads sold last quarter, the tablet market is now larger than the entire desktop PC market.
Remember that Slashdot triumphantly posted in January 2011 about Android surpassing iOS in marketshare. A year later when the opposite happens? Not a peep. Talk about bias.
The clock is ticking, Fandroids.
Fair comment.
They make up an incredibly tiny portion of the market. Developers with access only to a Mac are a rounding error.
How do you know?
Cost of Xcode if you were running 10.6 instead of 10.7? $4.99
Even if it were true, so what? It would be a small charge for software for an obsolete OS. But it's not true.
What you appear to be confused by is that back when Snow Leopard was the current OS, XCode was sold for $4.99. It isn't any more.
How about the same people that are going to enforce not considering ultra-compact cars for highways.
SUVs are falling out of favor, and falling in sales. What will the leftists do when SUVs are rare? What will they target next? I'm guessing anything with an internal combustion engine, no matter how efficient.
Sure, why not. That's a slippery slope with a quite acceptable end. Although that's more of a green issue than a left issue.
Or maybe cars without government-installed tracking devices or kill-switches.
That's definitely not a left/right issue. That's a libertarian/authoritarian issue.
How about cars as big as SUVs shouldn't be considered for city use?
Uh oh, you'll have the "copying is not theft" twat-bots after you now.
Heh heh! Bring it on!
So, then, you are admitting that it is in fact true that special cables are required for newer iPods, not required for previous iPods, even though the connectors are the same, and the actual video which comes out of them is the same
1) You never mentioned AV cables in your opening post. The standard cable is a dock connector to USB, and is included.
2) Most people don't need AV cables.
3) You're whining about "orders of magnitude" when the more expensive one is $4.99. Needless to say you haven't included shipping for either.
4) The more expensive one is available for $4.99. You claimed it was $40.
5) You claim the one I linked to isn't the same as the one you linked to. No, the one I linked to had USB in addition to everything your cable had. More for less.
6) None of these cables are "chip-locked".
Well then I accept your apology.
I didn't make one, moron. If I'd have realised just how low your IQ was, I'd not have bothered responding to your opening post.
More to the point, there is no guarantee of a repeat next quarter, far from it.
Nothing's guaranteed. But look at the trend on Neilson's market share estimates.
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/smartphone-recent.png
I think I can guess why this is happening. People on contracts generally get to change their phone every couple of years. Increasingly people are replacing a smartphone with another, rather than buying their first smartphone. And so satisfaction with their existing smartphone plays a big part of the decision. And that's bad news for everyone but Apple.
http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/01/09/iphone-satisfaction-at-75-closest-competitor-at-47/