You could sell the one share and see a return on your investment. But you don't want to do that because you want to keep some of your investment. Which implies that you still see AAPL as a good investment today.
And the number of "fanboys" appear to grow exponentially each quarter, judging by the financial results. How exactly do you imagine that Apple manages to keep on getting all these new fans?
WARNING: This question actually requires you to think. Be careful. Do some warm ups first.
The Foxconn factory complex in question has a lower suicide rate than the overall suicide rate for China. When you have half a million employees in the same city, some of them are gong to commit suicide. If you have half a million humans in the same city, some of them are going to commit suicide.
The Pirate Party opposes the present understanding of copyright, but it does not oppose the moral right of the author to be credited.
Not quite. Their licence forbids others to sell copies of their book. That is indeed a copyright claim. They are trying to dictate what I do with the copies I make. How can they do that unless they claim to own them?
And what if I oppose the "moral right" of the author to be credited. What's to say the Pirate Party are right and I'm wrong? Has not the Pirate Party demonstrated that they believe the moral course of action for me is to act based on my beliefs, not the author's beliefs. Therefore they should understand when I sell copies of their book without attribution.
Basically, copyright violation and plagiarism are two different issues.
It should be noted that the "German engineering; Swiss innovation; American nothing" ad was not for the European market but for South Africa.
So the question to ask yourself is why would an ad that is respectful of German and Swiss industry and disrespectful of American industry play well in South Africa?
Objectively, he's probably right. They've done studies into how misinformed on current events the viewers of the various networks are. Fox viewers are the most misinformed.
Not until they can be charged without actually having to lift a finger, like pulling into a parking space and having a charge plate underneath the car rise up and do the work.
Depending on where you live, you probably have to do the work of filling a conventional car up with fuel.
When I went to Uni I had to buy a Windows PC, because that's the only computer the course software ran on. I didn't really want to because Microsoft was "evil". But I bought a PC because that's what was needed for my course.
That's what you do. You make like an adult and forget the computer geek ideology.
And actually thinking about it, the industrial output figure isn't even relevant. It includes all sorts of things such as movies, and heavy machinery. In terms of manufacturing consumer electronics, China is obviously way out ahead.
And if you read other articles, that labor is effectively slave labor, which is why the boss can wake them up in the middle of the night, give them a snack, and put them on a 12 hour shift.
As if there aren't people that are on-call in the Western world. It used to be beepers. Now it's mobile phones that they can use to call people in to work when there's a business emergency.
Amiercan workers are not slaves (despite some propoganda the contrary). Those folks working in China are.....
Again, so long as they are paid, and they can choose to leave they are not slaves. Actually they are one up on interns in the western world - many of them aren't paid.
And all that innovation and growth in America is done on the bodies of dead Chinese workers.
Is this a reference to the Foxconn suicides story? Actually the Foxconn factory complex has a lower suicide rate than the general population of China. It just seems like a lot because there is no other manufacturing facility in the world on that scale.
Also, in many cases, the workers CAN'T leave. Either because they're barred from doing so, or because they can't afford to travel.
The article says they're getting paid "as little as $17 a day for a 12 hour shift". Now I suspect in China, $17 can buy quite a bit of travel. And if not, certainly a month's worth of $17 a day will.
It's more similar to the coal mines of the industrial era; you're given a loan for equipment, housing and food. But no matter how hard you work, workers would never be able to pay it off. Even worse, the debts of the father get transferred to the son, and thus you have two generations of what are essentially slaves.
I don't see any allegation of that happening in the article, or in any of the other articles that have been exposes of iPhone manufacture.
If you RTFA the main argument isn't price that's the main advantage of Chinese manufacturing. To Apple it's flexibility and speed that are the main advantages.
and blah blah whatever, these things only get about 40 miles on juice at highway speeds, maybe if I had a couple days to get to work I could do it for that
And the Chevy Volt that TFA is about is a hybrid, so it's range is no different from a conventional car. Just put more gas in at a gas station. It'll do about 33mph without using any fuel, so most journeys won't need gas. But longer journeys are no worry whatsoever.
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Not so long ago fixed line phones used to outsell cell phones with no end in sight.
You could sell the one share and see a return on your investment. But you don't want to do that because you want to keep some of your investment. Which implies that you still see AAPL as a good investment today.
And the number of "fanboys" appear to grow exponentially each quarter, judging by the financial results. How exactly do you imagine that Apple manages to keep on getting all these new fans?
WARNING: This question actually requires you to think. Be careful. Do some warm ups first.
The Foxconn factory complex in question has a lower suicide rate than the overall suicide rate for China. When you have half a million employees in the same city, some of them are gong to commit suicide. If you have half a million humans in the same city, some of them are going to commit suicide.
Take a look at this chart.
http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/01/appleq112topchart.jpg
The orange strip is revenue from downloads. Sure Apple makes money from them, but it's dwarfed by the money they make from hardware.
Of course some people seem to think that Windows and Android are winning.
The Pirate Party opposes the present understanding of copyright, but it does not oppose the moral right of the author to be credited.
Not quite. Their licence forbids others to sell copies of their book. That is indeed a copyright claim. They are trying to dictate what I do with the copies I make. How can they do that unless they claim to own them?
And what if I oppose the "moral right" of the author to be credited. What's to say the Pirate Party are right and I'm wrong? Has not the Pirate Party demonstrated that they believe the moral course of action for me is to act based on my beliefs, not the author's beliefs. Therefore they should understand when I sell copies of their book without attribution.
Basically, copyright violation and plagiarism are two different issues.
Burglary and robbery are two different issues.
I've been waiting for it too.
The book is under the CC BY-NC-SA
Ha! I'm going to sell it without attribution. What are you going to do about it, Pirate Party?!
It should be noted that the "German engineering; Swiss innovation; American nothing" ad was not for the European market but for South Africa.
So the question to ask yourself is why would an ad that is respectful of German and Swiss industry and disrespectful of American industry play well in South Africa?
Why is your partisanship any less bad than his?
Objectively, he's probably right. They've done studies into how misinformed on current events the viewers of the various networks are. Fox viewers are the most misinformed.
Not until they can be charged without actually having to lift a finger, like pulling into a parking space and having a charge plate underneath the car rise up and do the work.
Depending on where you live, you probably have to do the work of filling a conventional car up with fuel.
When I went to Uni I had to buy a Windows PC, because that's the only computer the course software ran on. I didn't really want to because Microsoft was "evil". But I bought a PC because that's what was needed for my course.
That's what you do. You make like an adult and forget the computer geek ideology.
I'd happily use this, maybe even pay for apps if they meet a need well enough.
Steady now. Don't be rash. 99c is a lot of money to an Android user.
And actually thinking about it, the industrial output figure isn't even relevant. It includes all sorts of things such as movies, and heavy machinery. In terms of manufacturing consumer electronics, China is obviously way out ahead.
> To Apple it's flexibility and speed that are the main advantages.
We all know that is BS. America is the biggest manufacturer in the world.
Only by a hair. In the next year or two China will have overtaken.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry#List_of_countries_by_industrial_output
But what's that got to do with what I said? Size isn't the same thing as flexibility and speed.
And if you read other articles, that labor is effectively slave labor, which is why the boss can wake them up in the middle of the night, give them a snack, and put them on a 12 hour shift.
As if there aren't people that are on-call in the Western world. It used to be beepers. Now it's mobile phones that they can use to call people in to work when there's a business emergency.
Amiercan workers are not slaves (despite some propoganda the contrary). Those folks working in China are.....
Again, so long as they are paid, and they can choose to leave they are not slaves. Actually they are one up on interns in the western world - many of them aren't paid.
And all that innovation and growth in America is done on the bodies of dead Chinese workers.
Is this a reference to the Foxconn suicides story? Actually the Foxconn factory complex has a lower suicide rate than the general population of China. It just seems like a lot because there is no other manufacturing facility in the world on that scale.
Also, in many cases, the workers CAN'T leave. Either because they're barred from doing so, or because they can't afford to travel.
The article says they're getting paid "as little as $17 a day for a 12 hour shift". Now I suspect in China, $17 can buy quite a bit of travel. And if not, certainly a month's worth of $17 a day will.
It's more similar to the coal mines of the industrial era; you're given a loan for equipment, housing and food. But no matter how hard you work, workers would never be able to pay it off. Even worse, the debts of the father get transferred to the son, and thus you have two generations of what are essentially slaves.
I don't see any allegation of that happening in the article, or in any of the other articles that have been exposes of iPhone manufacture.
Oh look: the Westboro Baptists have turned up.
"Orginization" (in the headline) should be spelled "Organization"
That's nothing. Look how they misspelled "Space Dragons".
It's not slavery if they are paid and they can leave.
The reason workers accept to do it is simple. It pays a lot better than the alternatives.
If you RTFA the main argument isn't price that's the main advantage of Chinese manufacturing. To Apple it's flexibility and speed that are the main advantages.
Why would you not expect it? It's not as if it's not well known.
and blah blah whatever, these things only get about 40 miles on juice at highway speeds, maybe if I had a couple days to get to work I could do it for that
Actually, the Tesla Roadster I mentioned has a range of about 180 miles at 70mph.
http://webarchive.teslamotors.com/display_data.php?data_name=range_blog5
And the Chevy Volt that TFA is about is a hybrid, so it's range is no different from a conventional car. Just put more gas in at a gas station. It'll do about 33mph without using any fuel, so most journeys won't need gas. But longer journeys are no worry whatsoever.
show me the numbers where it would be cheaper to sell off a paid for car for an overpriced experiment that requires 2 bills to fuel it
Why? That's not what I said.
its going to cost me 4.48 per day to drive upto 40 miles
No it's not. Recently a guy drove from Land's End to John O'Groats in the UK in a Tesla. 894 miles cost 20 GBP (approx $30).
The Volt has a gas tank _and_ a huge battery, so it's the worst of both worlds.
... as a wreck after a crash. Whereas it's the best of both worlds in the usual state of being driven around as a car.