OK, the first thing is that they released their outrageous priced processor to compete with Intel's Extreme edition of the Pentium. They knew it was outrageous, they just wanted to be competitive in all aspects of the market.
On the other hand, your question about having the memory processor directly on the processor. It is the best idea ever, and you may not understand this, being a desktop user, but being in IT when I was young, and now in the money end of IS, I understand the value of the system amd is implementing, for instance sometimes I would purchase a quad Xeon system but it irritated me to do so, because I knew that because of the bottleneck to the memmory, my fourth processor was almost worthless. But with the memory controller on the proc, you amazingly reduce latency, and every time you add another processor you add more memory bandwidth, as apposed to each processor having to share a limited amount of memmory bandwidth on the board.
AMD is on track for the future, even though it seems they are not doing what's best for your current desktop needs.
Of course your right, because their in the educational field at a good school, then they must know the best and most cost effective way of doing everything. Have you ever been to college? I go to U of M for engineering and our school is filled with teachers that have no concept of cost or best interest.
10GB really isn't very much. I could easily use that in downloads a month. How much are you charging for your ADSL, because someone out there is making a killing, maybe farther up the food chain than your company, but still a killing. If you sell me a speed of bandwidth, I want to use it all the time, and that's how it should be for 50 - 150 $ a month like most dsl.
I think it's all a game they play to keep raking in upwards of 25% profit.
That's funny, I wasn't pointing out whether you could buy it or not. I have read about many an angry gamer saying that medal of honor runs horribly on the G5, and suffers all kinds of strange quirks and flaws
Yep, Mac picked the best business model I guess, that's why Microsoft and Apple started at roughly the same time, and Microsoft is worth a little more than 500 billion dollars, and apple is worth about 4.7 billion dollars. Seems like one company might be doing better than the other.
Ummmm...You don't exactly need to spend 15,000$ to compete with the G5, first of all, I can build a dual Athlong MP machine for 1500$ and a dual Xeon machine for 2200$
Apple is definitely full of shit with their so called fastest work station.
Will I still have the same computer 2 years from now? Can you do 64 bit processing with a 32 bit processor? Will the industry turn to 64 bit that quickly?
No I can't run OS X, I can run linux, or windows, which is fine by me. OS X looks a lot like someone coppied a linux and XP machine.
Also post why are you comparing a single processor system to a dual processor system. You know G5 didn't invent the dual CPU market, their are lots of MOBOs for dual Athlons, as a matter of fact the Athlon MP was designed to be run dual.
I don't compare my dell single proc server, to my IBM quad Xeon, cause that would be dumb. Oh, and on your G5 can you play medal of honor, or half life 2 when it comes out?
I build my own computers, I don't buy Dell, or Compaq. I can build an amazing Athlon 2500 system, with a nice Nforce2 board, and the works for just under a thousand dollars. So why would I ever pay 1800$ or even 2500$, I can't affor Apple, and I don't think the performance increase is worth it. I run an apple G5 here at work, and it doesn't seem faster than the dual athlon MP system I built. Which after seeing the bill for the G5, I could have nearly built two dual athlon machines.
removing the plates is not always a good idea, the point of having them blocked is actually to increase air flow past the items needed. If you remove those plates then the air will rush out past your cards as apposed to passing your processor. anywhere their is a whole in your case their should be a fan pushing or pulling. This is more important than just letting lots of area for air to enter or leave your case. For instance, blow air through a straw and that air moves very quicly through the straw, now cut slits in the straw and feel it. Air won't move as quickly, in fact the extra opening will create eddies, and blow back. I hope I am displaying this idea clearly. Put those plates back in cause your just making your computer ugly, not increasing air movement.
That's the most absurd thing I have ever heard. My Boss's dell came with a logitech infared that is an excellent mouse. What a wierd thing to try and be superior on. Mice can be purchased. Stop shipping a one button mouse is all.
It's ironic that were looking at a picture taken so close to the truck that no one could possible tell where it was taken, and assuming the poster wasn't lieing. And if it was true, microsoft was probably just testing the G5s to prove they aren't the fastest desktop in the world.
After all Apple makes that claim but Britain won't by it.
http://www.aclantis.co.uk/article4690.html
This is a link about the UK banning the G5 commercials because they were misleading and apple used machines in its test designed to give the G5 the win
Ummm...Their business model didn't work out that well. I remember a few years back Microsoft had to invest in the area of 160 Million dollars into Apple to help them out, as well as promise to keep making a mac version of office. You know why microsoft had to do this. So the doj wouldn't get them. lol
Give the address of an apache web server running on a linux box and I will hack it. Microsoft is more hacked because people enjoy getting them. everyone attacks the man on top. Why would anyone create a virus for Redhat, it would only affect 3 or 4% of home computers, so the virus maker wouldn't get much joy out of it.
Those are a few more pages, filled with the TCO "catch phrase". Take a business class, or finance class, total cost of ownership has been around a long time.
I think microsoft assumes you have some for knowledge of business, because had you taken any management or business classes you would have heard of Total Cost of Ownership.
Also if you had bothered to read the third party analyzations of TCO they also explained it to you.
TCO is a total cost number, meaning, overall microsoft is cheaper. Also your making the assumption that linux is safer, or somehow more secure for data than Microsoft Server software. This isn't necessarilly true. Using the idea that Microsoft gets hit by viruses and Linux doesn't is really more a matter of Microsoft representing 95% of the desktop market and therefor 95% of the virus makers are coding to affect Microsoft.
Server 2003 is an excellent product, quick and reliable. Also very easy to use and maintain. I have no complaints at all. It takes a minute to boot, but once it does, the OS only occupies about 1% of my processor usage, which isn't bad.
These are independant partial studies, believe what you like, but it's in black and white, Microsofts TCO is cheaper, and if redhat had a study proving otherwise, don't you think we would have seen it by now.
This article wasn't about stock tips and I have no idea why you chose to talk about it. The author was just using SCOs stock as an indicator that the company is not going to lose the court case like everyone else assumes will happen. And that the linux community should be worried, and help out.
Idiot, I didn't say what I was buying, it was purely hypothetical, you didn't need to show us all your technical savvy by letting us know hard drives where out.
BN.com referring to barnes and Noble, is hosted by amazon. They created and host the site. Their was an article in reuters about it, plus my management 350 teacher used to talk about it all the time senior year.
Actually I graduated with a double major in business and accounting, because the classes were so similar. And I'll tell you right now that a good accountant can easily change the bottom line of a corporation, just the difference between absorption and variable accounting can greatly change the bottom line.
Depreciation is an assumed cost, not a real cost, "real cost" is acctually a term, and my accounting class was not 101 it was accounting 111 and accounting 212, Business and financial accounting. Then I also took, micro and macro economics as well as managerial economics. The rest of my accounting courses did not have the word accounting in the course title.
Maybe you took different classes than me.
Ok when you are looking at losses and profits, your really not getting the whole picture. I smart company never makes profit, unless it worries about it's stock going up. The less profit you make the less taxes you pay.
Amazon has a lot of assumed costs, that aren't necessarilly real, these include depreciation and some other things that are set as standards by the IRS.
For instance I buy a machine for 200,000$ the IRS says it depreciates at 40,000$ a year. Whichi means that for five years I have to right off a depreciation of 40,000 dollars, keeps my taxes down, but to the bottom line it looks like a cost, I didn't actually spend 40,000 dollars, that is just the assumed cost of replacing said item. It will be fully depreciated in 5 years even though I may not replace it for 10 years, do you see what I mean?
Trust me amazon is doing very well.
Industry leaders are not measured by how nice their smile is. A ceo is elected to his position to give the company vision, and to get work done. You may not see it, but great CEOs do a lot of work, and ussually have to get their hands dirty.
Business is war, and wars aren't fought by nice guys.
Theoretical physicists do to. They use all kinds of computer programs to map and model possible situations. One of the biggest linux clusters in the world is being used by theoretical phycisists to try and model a fusion reaction.
Driving itself is risky.
To avoid risk we could lower speed limits.
There would be less accidents at 30 mph than 60 mph, but we have decided that for the value of getting their faster, we will accept more risk of injury and drive faster. This is the same issue, of course, any distraction in your car is more likely to get you in an accident.
But i see it as an acceptable level of risk. You have to measure the oppurtunity cost of every decision made. You can't just look at one side and give up.
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OK, the first thing is that they released their outrageous priced processor to compete with Intel's Extreme edition of the Pentium. They knew it was outrageous, they just wanted to be competitive in all aspects of the market.
On the other hand, your question about having the memory processor directly on the processor. It is the best idea ever, and you may not understand this, being a desktop user, but being in IT when I was young, and now in the money end of IS, I understand the value of the system amd is implementing, for instance sometimes I would purchase a quad Xeon system but it irritated me to do so, because I knew that because of the bottleneck to the memmory, my fourth processor was almost worthless. But with the memory controller on the proc, you amazingly reduce latency, and every time you add another processor you add more memory bandwidth, as apposed to each processor having to share a limited amount of memmory bandwidth on the board.
AMD is on track for the future, even though it seems they are not doing what's best for your current desktop needs.
Of course your right, because their in the educational field at a good school, then they must know the best and most cost effective way of doing everything. Have you ever been to college? I go to U of M for engineering and our school is filled with teachers that have no concept of cost or best interest.
Actually apple makes software, their OS, and several other products
10GB really isn't very much. I could easily use that in downloads a month. How much are you charging for your ADSL, because someone out there is making a killing, maybe farther up the food chain than your company, but still a killing. If you sell me a speed of bandwidth, I want to use it all the time, and that's how it should be for 50 - 150 $ a month like most dsl. I think it's all a game they play to keep raking in upwards of 25% profit.
That's funny, I wasn't pointing out whether you could buy it or not. I have read about many an angry gamer saying that medal of honor runs horribly on the G5, and suffers all kinds of strange quirks and flaws
Yep, Mac picked the best business model I guess, that's why Microsoft and Apple started at roughly the same time, and Microsoft is worth a little more than 500 billion dollars, and apple is worth about 4.7 billion dollars. Seems like one company might be doing better than the other.
Apple is definitely full of shit with their so called fastest work station.
Also post why are you comparing a single processor system to a dual processor system. You know G5 didn't invent the dual CPU market, their are lots of MOBOs for dual Athlons, as a matter of fact the Athlon MP was designed to be run dual.
I don't compare my dell single proc server, to my IBM quad Xeon, cause that would be dumb. Oh, and on your G5 can you play medal of honor, or half life 2 when it comes out?
I build my own computers, I don't buy Dell, or Compaq. I can build an amazing Athlon 2500 system, with a nice Nforce2 board, and the works for just under a thousand dollars. So why would I ever pay 1800$ or even 2500$, I can't affor Apple, and I don't think the performance increase is worth it. I run an apple G5 here at work, and it doesn't seem faster than the dual athlon MP system I built. Which after seeing the bill for the G5, I could have nearly built two dual athlon machines.
removing the plates is not always a good idea, the point of having them blocked is actually to increase air flow past the items needed. If you remove those plates then the air will rush out past your cards as apposed to passing your processor. anywhere their is a whole in your case their should be a fan pushing or pulling. This is more important than just letting lots of area for air to enter or leave your case. For instance, blow air through a straw and that air moves very quicly through the straw, now cut slits in the straw and feel it. Air won't move as quickly, in fact the extra opening will create eddies, and blow back. I hope I am displaying this idea clearly. Put those plates back in cause your just making your computer ugly, not increasing air movement.
That's the most absurd thing I have ever heard. My Boss's dell came with a logitech infared that is an excellent mouse. What a wierd thing to try and be superior on. Mice can be purchased. Stop shipping a one button mouse is all.
This is a link about the UK banning the G5 commercials because they were misleading and apple used machines in its test designed to give the G5 the win
Ummm...Their business model didn't work out that well. I remember a few years back Microsoft had to invest in the area of 160 Million dollars into Apple to help them out, as well as promise to keep making a mac version of office. You know why microsoft had to do this. So the doj wouldn't get them. lol
Give the address of an apache web server running on a linux box and I will hack it. Microsoft is more hacked because people enjoy getting them. everyone attacks the man on top. Why would anyone create a virus for Redhat, it would only affect 3 or 4% of home computers, so the virus maker wouldn't get much joy out of it.
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/tco/
http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/RFG-LinuxTCO-vFINAL-Jul 2002.pdf
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardwa re/story/0,10801,70944,00.html
Those are a few more pages, filled with the TCO "catch phrase". Take a business class, or finance class, total cost of ownership has been around a long time.
I think microsoft assumes you have some for knowledge of business, because had you taken any management or business classes you would have heard of Total Cost of Ownership.
Also if you had bothered to read the third party analyzations of TCO they also explained it to you.
TCO is a total cost number, meaning, overall microsoft is cheaper. Also your making the assumption that linux is safer, or somehow more secure for data than Microsoft Server software. This isn't necessarilly true. Using the idea that Microsoft gets hit by viruses and Linux doesn't is really more a matter of Microsoft representing 95% of the desktop market and therefor 95% of the virus makers are coding to affect Microsoft. Server 2003 is an excellent product, quick and reliable. Also very easy to use and maintain. I have no complaints at all. It takes a minute to boot, but once it does, the OS only occupies about 1% of my processor usage, which isn't bad. These are independant partial studies, believe what you like, but it's in black and white, Microsofts TCO is cheaper, and if redhat had a study proving otherwise, don't you think we would have seen it by now.
This article wasn't about stock tips and I have no idea why you chose to talk about it. The author was just using SCOs stock as an indicator that the company is not going to lose the court case like everyone else assumes will happen. And that the linux community should be worried, and help out.
Idiot, I didn't say what I was buying, it was purely hypothetical, you didn't need to show us all your technical savvy by letting us know hard drives where out.
BN.com referring to barnes and Noble, is hosted by amazon. They created and host the site. Their was an article in reuters about it, plus my management 350 teacher used to talk about it all the time senior year.
Actually I graduated with a double major in business and accounting, because the classes were so similar. And I'll tell you right now that a good accountant can easily change the bottom line of a corporation, just the difference between absorption and variable accounting can greatly change the bottom line. Depreciation is an assumed cost, not a real cost, "real cost" is acctually a term, and my accounting class was not 101 it was accounting 111 and accounting 212, Business and financial accounting. Then I also took, micro and macro economics as well as managerial economics. The rest of my accounting courses did not have the word accounting in the course title. Maybe you took different classes than me.
Ok when you are looking at losses and profits, your really not getting the whole picture. I smart company never makes profit, unless it worries about it's stock going up. The less profit you make the less taxes you pay. Amazon has a lot of assumed costs, that aren't necessarilly real, these include depreciation and some other things that are set as standards by the IRS. For instance I buy a machine for 200,000$ the IRS says it depreciates at 40,000$ a year. Whichi means that for five years I have to right off a depreciation of 40,000 dollars, keeps my taxes down, but to the bottom line it looks like a cost, I didn't actually spend 40,000 dollars, that is just the assumed cost of replacing said item. It will be fully depreciated in 5 years even though I may not replace it for 10 years, do you see what I mean? Trust me amazon is doing very well.
Industry leaders are not measured by how nice their smile is. A ceo is elected to his position to give the company vision, and to get work done. You may not see it, but great CEOs do a lot of work, and ussually have to get their hands dirty. Business is war, and wars aren't fought by nice guys.
If customer service was most important, Microsoft and McDonalds, must just be huge exceptions.
Theoretical physicists do to. They use all kinds of computer programs to map and model possible situations. One of the biggest linux clusters in the world is being used by theoretical phycisists to try and model a fusion reaction.
But i see it as an acceptable level of risk. You have to measure the oppurtunity cost of every decision made. You can't just look at one side and give up.