I am sure it doesn't have that much to do with the money they'll make. This idea has been suggested many times, and all of the times suggested, there has always been a white list, that if you choose to accept the senders mail, you can choose whether to have them billed or not. But here I see the problem, spammers are using open relays and hiding under anonymous accounts already. How will they bill them?
I will be modded off topic, but this is something I would like to discuss, why have an anonymous coward button, does it take that long to register and sign up, or are some people just unwilling to put their name with their opinion? I hate anonymous cowards, for the same reason I hate back stabbers and every body else who spends lots of time bitching as long as no one knows it's them.
This is the similar issue with forcing the hand of liquour stores to ID, they used to not, because they sold more product and they wouldn't get in any trouble for it till there was a law. Similarly, an internet cafe, offering anonymous connections wouldn't be held responsible for illegal things happening, because the computers were open to the public and anyone could have done it. This way getting in lots of people such as, hackers, pedaphiles, flamers(meaning people writing crude or harassing emails), and other such people. Anyone that wanted to do anything illegal on the net would come to these cafe's by forcing the video on them, then it cuts down on that kind of anonymous crime. Law abiding citizens don't care if they're being monitored. If you want to look at porn, go ahead and do it, anything your ashamed of people knowing your doing, you probably shouldn't do, or at least shouldn't do in public.
Why would you look at porn in public? That's why strip clubs don't have windows. They don't want there computers tampered with, nor their internet connection used for hacking, as public terminals often are. Seems perfectly legitimate, if a clothing store can monitor their changing rooms, I think and internet cafe should be allowed to monitor their computers.
By the way, most stores use 200-500$ cameras that the resolution isn't good enough to see an on screen password, nor even read the screen. Especially because of non equal refresh rates, go home with even a good tape recorder and record your monitor from 10' away with a wide angle lens, and see if you can read slashdot.
No but you might as a software company. Your the idiot troll here making illogical references. Was microsoft a windowing company? I thought they were a software company. Lots of products are named and trademarked after what they do, it makes sense you dolt. For instance Dunkin Donuts, is a trademark, even though dunking things, is pretty common, much like windowing was the process involved in the windows OS. Or Tireman is a trademark, or National Tire and Battery is a trademark, I hate products that have names that have nothing to do with what the product does. It's irritating in most cases.
But in some cases company trademarks become terms by witch we use to describe that product, vaseline(petroleum Jelly), Kleenex(facial tissue), Coke(may only make sense to people in southern states of the U.S.)
In these cases it was ok, because naming something petroleum jelly, wouldn't have told the customer much either.
Personally, I think that liking what Microsoft has done is just unpopular and people hate people for doing well in life. Bill Gates hasn't done anything near as bad as many business men. He leads a pretty stand up life, still married to his first wife, spends time with his children, gives to charities like the boy scouts, and many small private charities that he personally researches based on how he values where the money is going. If you don't like his OS, put linux, on your box, or buy an apple. If you have to use windows at work, that really isn't any different than having to wear a tie, keep clean shaven, use Dells, Compaqs, whatever. That's the companies choice, to standardise computers to one OS so that tech support is simpler.
When I started out I was forced to use a really bloated, slow, ugly OS, that came with an 8,000$ box with a 2000$ service contract. Ever heard of Sun systems, Unix, cost wise, makes Microsoft look free.
Also did you ever consider that most companies prefer to have an OS, that requires kernel upgrades, the downloading of code for most of its drivers(that then has to be compiled), or complete lack of driver support for that matter. Also, linux because of it's nature, has no centralized company to talk to. Also it's harder to mandate what will be on all of your companies computers. You would have to standardize to a specific Distro, which presents it's own problems and complaints.
Can't we just stop the hate, if you want to use Linux at home, enjoy, if you want to use XP, that's good too, but lets get off this, Bill Gates is evil crap simply because Microsoft shows textbook perfect examples of how to create and maintain a strong position in a chosen industry.
no, Microsoft is the company name, the product is windows, Lindows is the company name and the product name. IF you wanted to compare this to Ford and Olds then you would compare their products, like a mustang and a Cutlass. I am sure when you get out of your parents basement, you'll understand all of this.
You still fall into the anonymous cowards are worthless bit. Oh and show me where Apple used it before Microsoft, and show me where Xerox used it before Microsoft, lets see previous art or proof, don't just tell me you watched Pirates of Silicon Valley and believed everything. First of all, when apple was developing a GUI they had hired Microsoft to do it for them. And Xerox never called them windows, because they were more interested in the mouse technology then the software that drove it.
window is NOW a generic term for the screen, the point is that Microsoft made up that generic term You dolt. Oh and here comes the argument about apple, or zerox or something, go ahead fanboy.
yes windows is a common word. Much like Apple
or Macintosh
or Dell
or steelcase
or catapillar
or Dunkin Donuts, sounds like dunking donuts, but if I named a company, someone would take my ass to court
Sorry buddy anything is fair if it screws Microsoft, or haven't you been to this site before. Here, a bunch of linux fanboys(most of whom are probably using windows secretly if we did an indepth probe of the OS usage of people who visit this site), bitch about windows and how it keeps their, better, faster, OS from getting it's do presence. They base this on the idea that Microsoft is evil and squashes new companies, even though there are like 4 seperate companies doing linux distros and still, no one will move to it. And lots of us savy computer users, will still pick the 300$ OS over the free one because we don't want the hassle of having to compile code everytime we download a new driver. Jesus linux, learn what a binary is. Christ.
but back to my point.Someone could kidnap Bill Gates's family and torture them and these fan boys would cheer because he is supposedly a terrible evil man, because he prospered where others failed and then he has the nerve to protect his company and try and make more profit, when he should just fold his company and give his money to Linus.
Guess I should start my new company tomorrow based on your logic. Microsoft should fund my hardware company and we'll call it Bapple computers, and they'll be orange and blue and silver, and have exactly the same appearance as another similarly named company, and I'll show them in adds with VW bugs, and appeal to hippies and liberals. AND then I'll bitch when apple sues my ass. Damn linux fanboys, grow up.
If i made a company that sold pop and called it Soca-Cola Company, and made the cans red, I think I would get sued by Coke and no one would think that Coca-Cola was wrong, and similarly if I was using Soca-Cola.com to push and sell my wares I would expect it to get shut down, since the judge can't shut it down he asked for the next best thing. Yes there are work arounds, and if you want to work around the law I am sure you can get away with murder too. The fact is Lindows wanted to sound like Windows as either joke or whatever, and quite honestly lindows works like windows and feels like windows. This is a good lawsuit and I wish you could open your eyes for ten seconds and see past the haze of Microsoft hate to see that this is legitimate.
That's far too simplistic of a view, because a lot of amazing things are only here because of specialised processes developed by engineers, and I think they should get to patent it just like patenting anything else. Just be smart about what is an original process and what isn't. For instance when they learned how to make iron into steel and make it stronger, there was no new technology used there, just a new process, and I think that should be a patentable thing.
Oh, my web interface will no longer work for my security cameras, pissed off
I can't pop onto AIM Express to see whose online, Pissed Off
I can't make my websites more media intensive and exciting with Flash, Pissed Off
Buddy just cause you like living in the stone age of the internet doesn't mean the rest of us do not enjoy the new technologies available to us. Go back to your dial up BBS and seclude yourself in ASCII and the past.
Remember what happened when Microsoft was forced to stop packaging the Virtual Machine. It was very damn annoying, whenever I would want to use Aim express or another Java app, I had to go download something. And for you broadband users that's probably cool, but over my slow modem connection(I know I know, my fault right, but seriously to my house there is no affordable broadband, I live in the boonies, and I hate sattelite broadband.) It takes forever to download this java. And what exactly did sun achieve by doing this? That they get to put an annoying little icon in my taskbar?
I used to work for Dana corporation, an OEM parts distributor, that supplies auto parts to the big three. And I'll tell you right now, the people that make your car, do think like me, except probably far worse.
I am a web programer/network engineer/computer bitch, for a company that doesn't think it needs IT even though, it's inventory system, shipping system, billing system, website(only 63000+ hits a month), network security cams, and graphics department, all depend heavily on my servers, switches, and the desktops they work on.
Shmeh, being still in college sucks, you do what other people get paid twice as much to do.
Ummm...I think your belief of Japanese culture is based on some 20 year old view. I have three friends in Japan that will explain to you exactly what kind of workforce they have, you can ask Mike when the last time he had a raise or cost of living increase. Your belief of things is rediculous that the japanese companies look after their employees anymore than any other company.
I didn't say anything about HOME AC you stupid quack. And I am from Flint, MI where I go to school and it is quite cold and guess what. I walked over to the ford/mercury dealership next to the Genesee Mall, and asked a couple of quick questions while I was out on my lunch, first thing I found out, they have 427 cars on the lot, and only 7 of them come without standard AC.
Call your local dealer. Sure something can be special ordered, but lets talk stock.
You seem to believe your smart, because your not fully comprehending what we have said. I know what HTTP is, and know how the protocol works, hence why I called it a protocol. Our point is that Apache has nothing to do with the HTML you have it serve to the world.
Can you get that into your simplistic skull, you fucking Dolt.
So are you saying that people who by the Distros of linux are paying for development costs as well? The distros are like 60$ and XP is like 100$, the cost really isn't that different. Also, if you can download something for free. It's cost is 0$. I don't care if Microsoft used to make bed frames and their paying for those development costs with money they make off me, it doesn't mean I am paying for those bed frames or that the bed frames necessarily changed the cost of the software I purchased.
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I am sure it doesn't have that much to do with the money they'll make. This idea has been suggested many times, and all of the times suggested, there has always been a white list, that if you choose to accept the senders mail, you can choose whether to have them billed or not. But here I see the problem, spammers are using open relays and hiding under anonymous accounts already. How will they bill them?
I will be modded off topic, but this is something I would like to discuss, why have an anonymous coward button, does it take that long to register and sign up, or are some people just unwilling to put their name with their opinion? I hate anonymous cowards, for the same reason I hate back stabbers and every body else who spends lots of time bitching as long as no one knows it's them.
This is the similar issue with forcing the hand of liquour stores to ID, they used to not, because they sold more product and they wouldn't get in any trouble for it till there was a law. Similarly, an internet cafe, offering anonymous connections wouldn't be held responsible for illegal things happening, because the computers were open to the public and anyone could have done it. This way getting in lots of people such as, hackers, pedaphiles, flamers(meaning people writing crude or harassing emails), and other such people. Anyone that wanted to do anything illegal on the net would come to these cafe's by forcing the video on them, then it cuts down on that kind of anonymous crime. Law abiding citizens don't care if they're being monitored. If you want to look at porn, go ahead and do it, anything your ashamed of people knowing your doing, you probably shouldn't do, or at least shouldn't do in public.
By the way, most stores use 200-500$ cameras that the resolution isn't good enough to see an on screen password, nor even read the screen. Especially because of non equal refresh rates, go home with even a good tape recorder and record your monitor from 10' away with a wide angle lens, and see if you can read slashdot.
But in some cases company trademarks become terms by witch we use to describe that product, vaseline(petroleum Jelly), Kleenex(facial tissue), Coke(may only make sense to people in southern states of the U.S.)
In these cases it was ok, because naming something petroleum jelly, wouldn't have told the customer much either.
Personally, I think that liking what Microsoft has done is just unpopular and people hate people for doing well in life. Bill Gates hasn't done anything near as bad as many business men. He leads a pretty stand up life, still married to his first wife, spends time with his children, gives to charities like the boy scouts, and many small private charities that he personally researches based on how he values where the money is going. If you don't like his OS, put linux, on your box, or buy an apple. If you have to use windows at work, that really isn't any different than having to wear a tie, keep clean shaven, use Dells, Compaqs, whatever. That's the companies choice, to standardise computers to one OS so that tech support is simpler.
When I started out I was forced to use a really bloated, slow, ugly OS, that came with an 8,000$ box with a 2000$ service contract. Ever heard of Sun systems, Unix, cost wise, makes Microsoft look free.
Also did you ever consider that most companies prefer to have an OS, that requires kernel upgrades, the downloading of code for most of its drivers(that then has to be compiled), or complete lack of driver support for that matter. Also, linux because of it's nature, has no centralized company to talk to. Also it's harder to mandate what will be on all of your companies computers. You would have to standardize to a specific Distro, which presents it's own problems and complaints.
Can't we just stop the hate, if you want to use Linux at home, enjoy, if you want to use XP, that's good too, but lets get off this, Bill Gates is evil crap simply because Microsoft shows textbook perfect examples of how to create and maintain a strong position in a chosen industry.
sounds like they failed to copyright the name, so, their fault, not Microsofts
no, Microsoft is the company name, the product is windows, Lindows is the company name and the product name. IF you wanted to compare this to Ford and Olds then you would compare their products, like a mustang and a Cutlass. I am sure when you get out of your parents basement, you'll understand all of this.
Your olds vs. Ford argument is stupid, Olds, doesn't sound or look like Ford. Moron, Windows doesn't so people who use the words operating system.
You still fall into the anonymous cowards are worthless bit. Oh and show me where Apple used it before Microsoft, and show me where Xerox used it before Microsoft, lets see previous art or proof, don't just tell me you watched Pirates of Silicon Valley and believed everything. First of all, when apple was developing a GUI they had hired Microsoft to do it for them. And Xerox never called them windows, because they were more interested in the mouse technology then the software that drove it.
window is NOW a generic term for the screen, the point is that Microsoft made up that generic term You dolt. Oh and here comes the argument about apple, or zerox or something, go ahead fanboy.
Good job. Way to make an irrational argument, I never had a java app that wouldn't work with the Java VM for windows.
yes windows is a common word. Much like Apple or Macintosh or Dell or steelcase or catapillar or Dunkin Donuts, sounds like dunking donuts, but if I named a company, someone would take my ass to court
but back to my point.Someone could kidnap Bill Gates's family and torture them and these fan boys would cheer because he is supposedly a terrible evil man, because he prospered where others failed and then he has the nerve to protect his company and try and make more profit, when he should just fold his company and give his money to Linus.
Guess I should start my new company tomorrow based on your logic. Microsoft should fund my hardware company and we'll call it Bapple computers, and they'll be orange and blue and silver, and have exactly the same appearance as another similarly named company, and I'll show them in adds with VW bugs, and appeal to hippies and liberals. AND then I'll bitch when apple sues my ass. Damn linux fanboys, grow up.
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If i made a company that sold pop and called it Soca-Cola Company, and made the cans red, I think I would get sued by Coke and no one would think that Coca-Cola was wrong, and similarly if I was using Soca-Cola.com to push and sell my wares I would expect it to get shut down, since the judge can't shut it down he asked for the next best thing. Yes there are work arounds, and if you want to work around the law I am sure you can get away with murder too. The fact is Lindows wanted to sound like Windows as either joke or whatever, and quite honestly lindows works like windows and feels like windows. This is a good lawsuit and I wish you could open your eyes for ten seconds and see past the haze of Microsoft hate to see that this is legitimate.
That's far too simplistic of a view, because a lot of amazing things are only here because of specialised processes developed by engineers, and I think they should get to patent it just like patenting anything else. Just be smart about what is an original process and what isn't. For instance when they learned how to make iron into steel and make it stronger, there was no new technology used there, just a new process, and I think that should be a patentable thing.
I can't pop onto AIM Express to see whose online, Pissed Off
I can't make my websites more media intensive and exciting with Flash, Pissed Off
Buddy just cause you like living in the stone age of the internet doesn't mean the rest of us do not enjoy the new technologies available to us. Go back to your dial up BBS and seclude yourself in ASCII and the past.
I hate things that make my life more difficult.
I used to work for Dana corporation, an OEM parts distributor, that supplies auto parts to the big three. And I'll tell you right now, the people that make your car, do think like me, except probably far worse.
Bean counters rule the world.
Shmeh, being still in college sucks, you do what other people get paid twice as much to do.
Ummm...I think your belief of Japanese culture is based on some 20 year old view. I have three friends in Japan that will explain to you exactly what kind of workforce they have, you can ask Mike when the last time he had a raise or cost of living increase. Your belief of things is rediculous that the japanese companies look after their employees anymore than any other company.
I didn't say anything about HOME AC you stupid quack. And I am from Flint, MI where I go to school and it is quite cold and guess what. I walked over to the ford/mercury dealership next to the Genesee Mall, and asked a couple of quick questions while I was out on my lunch, first thing I found out, they have 427 cars on the lot, and only 7 of them come without standard AC. Call your local dealer. Sure something can be special ordered, but lets talk stock.
actually I buy from Ingram Micro at about 110$ for Full Version of XP professional. Guess I just have the benefit of not buying retail.
Can you get that into your simplistic skull, you fucking Dolt.
So are you saying that people who by the Distros of linux are paying for development costs as well? The distros are like 60$ and XP is like 100$, the cost really isn't that different. Also, if you can download something for free. It's cost is 0$. I don't care if Microsoft used to make bed frames and their paying for those development costs with money they make off me, it doesn't mean I am paying for those bed frames or that the bed frames necessarily changed the cost of the software I purchased.