The iPad is moving about 2 million units a month, or 500,000 units a week roughly. The Asus Transformer is moving, by itself, 400,000 units a month. It's very nice - you should check it out. I have one, and prefer it to the iPad 2. But it's not an iPad clone, it's an Android tablet.
The iPad is doing well, but it's not doing "more in a week than all the others in a year" type well.
But my point was very much the use case of the third world. Price is an important feature. There's also the other use cases that are served by different features the iPad doesn't and won't ever offer. This game appears to be playing out the same way as the iPhone/Android phone thing - as I said it would here when it was launched. The iPad is very nice. But there's only one.
Asus seems to be doing well with their Android Transformer TF101. They haven't dropped the price at all from $399 and sales reports are 400,000 units a month. That's not iPad numbers, but it's not bad.
Apparently they feel confident. The next version is up $100 at $499 due Christmas with quad-core.
Some of the Android tablets are quite nice. Particularly the Asus Transformer, the Acer Iconia Tab, the Samsung Galaxy Tab. Any day now the Tegra 3 models will be out and they promise to be astounding. For myself I prefer the widescreen layout.
Yes, the iPad is doing very well. That doesn't mean there's no hope for others. Agree about HP, RIM, Cisco and some of the others looking to put their own proprietary spin on things.
There's also huge demand for the lower-end Android tablet in places where money is harder to get. There are places in this world where the $500 entry price for an iPad is just too much money. It's easy enough to say that if you can't get the good one, do without - but the lesser things can still be darned useful. It's nice that there are hundreds of alternatives for those folks to use.
For fifteen years OEMs have been trying to stuff a Windows tablet into it, and it just wouldn't go. Some of the Android tablets will go in that market, but it took Apple's iPad to show the way.
Shutdown, I've got nothing to gain from pushing this idea. I've seen it reported that Amazon accepts it will be rooted and they're OK with that. The rooting community is so rare as to be beneath their notice. They're shooting for tens of millions of units a quarter. Let's be thankful that our odd bit is under their radar and fly low, ok? Free Pride day will come later.
I would, I could - but this is one of the things you have to earn. It's in the settings. If you deserve it you will find it, and if not - sorry, you lose. But for me not to not be a total jerk you might consider adjusting the value of this screen so that retrieve X comments reads "all" on the "discussions" tab. Don't tell anybody you heard it here.
It'll work better if you enable Classic view.
I wasn't (and won't) engage a campaign for slashdot to revert to classic view because it's their site and they know stuff I don't. But between us two, classic view is where it's at.
BTW: you've been here longer than me. I do believe this is the first/. option I found.
Yes, I do understand how business works. Business is the arbitrage of value. I'm in business and doing well by doing the right thing. There's lots to be had by doing the wrong thing, and always a crash after and I'm not into that. It's a simple thing: Do it right. Don't cheat. Don't lie. Don't even let the subject of your communication enter into some subjective belief that is untrue if you can correct it. Offer your best straight deal and if the customer is a sucker for frauds and you lose him he'll limp back one day more the wiser. Earn what you get and get what you earn. Take a fair margin and be happy with that. Respect your customer enough to give them the honest best answer in the field, disregarding all of the other side partner incentives that are fleeting. Don't be bribed to screw your customer. A bribe is a one-time thing, and a well-cared for customer is far more lucrative than a bribe could ever be. Know what the best answer is, without doubt.
No more, no less than the simple truth. I'm fortunate enough to have found a company I didn't have to teach these values to, and persuade them to let me work for them. Otherwise I'd have had to do some other useful thing with my life.
I've been on the downside of this when early on I designed a system that didn't have the promised properties and it cost more than a year of my pay to fix it - but it cost the customer nothing more because the company delivered the thing I promised. We lost money on that deal. I've learned since, and nobody had to school me - and nobody did. If I was the sort that needed to be led out behind the woodshed for discipline, I wouldn't have got on in the first place. It was a valuable lesson.
On the downstroke of the economy we did fine. Even as other failing companies were bidding less than cost we grew on the strength of our word. On the upstroke we grow even faster because people like the straight deal when they've got money to spend, and over time folks move up but they still know where to get a square deal. People don't want to spend all day on "value building" presentations - they just want to go to a trusted partner and say "How do I...." and know that the answer they get is an honest answer.
And yes, I know that for your special case I might have said "sdakf dfakl; ewrq reqw ewrp" and it had as much meaning. You're not capable of understanding what I've written here. Both of us are playing to a wider audience, and I'm sad for the folk who listen to you. I've not said who I work for here, and I won't ever. I don't think that's appropriate for/., and I don't want my employer to be held accountable for my regular impolitick comments they're no party to - I've posted here longer than I've worked there. But good vendors can be had and the idea that everybody is out to screw over everybody else for maximum profit is the product of your corrupt soul. My world doesn't really work like that.
OK, this is going to read like a troll but I really want to know. I've never used OracleDB, though I've had a few customers who do. I've used others, including MySQL and Postrgres and some long dead. They're wonderful. They cluster nicely, they answer queries in predictable ways. You give 'em tuples, they give 'em back when you ask for them - and that's about it. MySQL and Postgres take advantage of modern tech like 12-core processors, 10Gbps Ethernet or Infiniband, PCIe attached, Fiber attached, SAS and SATA attached connections for networking and storage. They run nicely in a virtual machine. And they're free - as in if you want to install 10 instances on 10 servers each with 48 cores (soon 64) and 512GB RAM, knock yourself out. Those servers cost about $37K each, $45K if you populate them with 8x480GB OWC SSDs (and who wouldn't?), and a little more if you add some IODrives Duos, or some SAN into the mix. There are some crazy large and crazy fast options available now. And you can buy decent support from credible companies too. Oracle owns MySQL now and that's a red flag (though it's been forked), but Postgres is still out there and I understand it is quite the credible SQL implementation that doesn't quit working when you need to migrate it to the next generation of high-performance hardware because you haven't licensed it for that. You don't have to negotiate the licensing on these free things to move to the next level, as happens it seems each 18 months or so.
What would it cost, I wonder, to fully license Oracle's DB suite on that $450K cluster. Anybody know? For added points solve the problem in reverse: What's the scale of a fully licensed Oracle DB cluster you could buy with half a million dollars, hardware and software included, assuming a fairly standard 5-year service life and the usual redundancy requirements? And if the capabilities of the available servers doubled again in 18 months, as has been their wont these last two decades, what cost then?
OracleDB is a bog-standard SQL database server with the oddly distinguishing characteristic that its queries aren't quite the same as the others. I understand it's got some special management sizzle - that's non-portable. I'm old. I've been around so long I remember when SQL was a sketchy maybe competitor to COBOL. It seems to have caught on though. SQL was invented in the 1970's, became an ANSI standard in 1986 and ISO standard in 1987. It's been improved a few times - adding a few features, but that's basically it - SQL has been a solved problem for so long my legacy SQL code is old enough to buy alcohol in DC. Some of that legacy code is older than the mother of my grandson. Sure, there are new features and proprietary features. The new features are cool if they're standard. The proprietary features are just a violation of the basic principle of a common database language in the first place - using them is an egregious programming error on par with using GOTO which last I heard is considered harmful. I can understand issues about losing the source code for ancient apps written in C that are still useful - I've done that - hell, I lost my best dancing tree chainsort that way and I wish I had it back because it was elegant. But SQL code is written in text, exclusively. You can't lose the source code. Eventually this clinging to legacy code becomes a History Channel episode of Hoarders - the inability to let go of ancient garbage is a mental health issue.
What is there about OracleDB that makes people willing to put up with this nonsense and pay so much for it each year? I just don't get this "you have no choice" thing at all. At some point I would think it's just a better answer to buy some modern gear, hire some folk to un-Oracleize the code, migrate the data and move on. Certainly "if you buy it we're going to exploit your dependence on our product to milk you like the cash cow you are" can't be an appealing part of the ROI presentation.
I just don't get it. Maybe my inability to "get it" defines
>Wouldn't they just consider it part of overhead, and pass the cost to customers? Wouldn't they be fools not to?
That you can even form this second question is indicative that you will get what you deserve. Oracle could be crushed to dust tomorrow and you'd just find a new beast to exploit you.
Well whatever this is certainly doesn't work well on my Asus Transformer tablet on any of the three browsers I use. It's barely functional on my Android phone. It works fairly well in the stock Debian browser because I use Classic view. It was painful last time I tried it on the iPad. It works OK in most versions of IE I've tried, but I don't like to fire up a Windows box just to browse/. It seems somehow... wrong.
It reminds me of the old web interface for some HP bladesystem gear - you needed three browsers and two PCs just to access (or even view) the features of the equipment. Maybe they should just call out what browser combination this thing is validated on so most of us can have a good laugh and go away.
This feature is still there. It's discouraged because it's hard to maintain both the classic system and the new one, and it's brutal on the bandwidth. And yes, that's how I read slashdot too.
Not much nonsense in this man. He found work he loved and lived it. Supreme innovator, market disruptor. CEO of the century already. And always, with class and style. He will be sorely missed.
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The iPad is moving about 2 million units a month, or 500,000 units a week roughly. The Asus Transformer is moving, by itself, 400,000 units a month. It's very nice - you should check it out. I have one, and prefer it to the iPad 2. But it's not an iPad clone, it's an Android tablet.
The iPad is doing well, but it's not doing "more in a week than all the others in a year" type well.
But my point was very much the use case of the third world. Price is an important feature. There's also the other use cases that are served by different features the iPad doesn't and won't ever offer. This game appears to be playing out the same way as the iPhone/Android phone thing - as I said it would here when it was launched. The iPad is very nice. But there's only one.
Who cares about that old thing? It's barely moving 400,000 units a month. /sarcasm
Asus seems to be doing well with their Android Transformer TF101. They haven't dropped the price at all from $399 and sales reports are 400,000 units a month. That's not iPad numbers, but it's not bad.
Apparently they feel confident. The next version is up $100 at $499 due Christmas with quad-core.
Some of the Android tablets are quite nice. Particularly the Asus Transformer, the Acer Iconia Tab, the Samsung Galaxy Tab. Any day now the Tegra 3 models will be out and they promise to be astounding. For myself I prefer the widescreen layout.
Yes, the iPad is doing very well. That doesn't mean there's no hope for others. Agree about HP, RIM, Cisco and some of the others looking to put their own proprietary spin on things.
There's also huge demand for the lower-end Android tablet in places where money is harder to get. There are places in this world where the $500 entry price for an iPad is just too much money. It's easy enough to say that if you can't get the good one, do without - but the lesser things can still be darned useful. It's nice that there are hundreds of alternatives for those folks to use.
For fifteen years OEMs have been trying to stuff a Windows tablet into it, and it just wouldn't go. Some of the Android tablets will go in that market, but it took Apple's iPad to show the way.
But it's aliens.
Have a Nice picture. And in a few days they report again.
Shutdown, I've got nothing to gain from pushing this idea. I've seen it reported that Amazon accepts it will be rooted and they're OK with that. The rooting community is so rare as to be beneath their notice. They're shooting for tens of millions of units a quarter. Let's be thankful that our odd bit is under their radar and fly low, ok? Free Pride day will come later.
I would, I could - but this is one of the things you have to earn. It's in the settings. If you deserve it you will find it, and if not - sorry, you lose. But for me not to not be a total jerk you might consider adjusting the value of this screen so that retrieve X comments reads "all" on the "discussions" tab. Don't tell anybody you heard it here.
It'll work better if you enable Classic view.
I wasn't (and won't) engage a campaign for slashdot to revert to classic view because it's their site and they know stuff I don't. But between us two, classic view is where it's at.
BTW: you've been here longer than me. I do believe this is the first /. option I found.
>Google does love Slashdot
And why shouldn't they? Amidst the thicket of our strife often a stem of truth is found.
Yes, I do understand how business works. Business is the arbitrage of value. I'm in business and doing well by doing the right thing. There's lots to be had by doing the wrong thing, and always a crash after and I'm not into that. It's a simple thing: Do it right. Don't cheat. Don't lie. Don't even let the subject of your communication enter into some subjective belief that is untrue if you can correct it. Offer your best straight deal and if the customer is a sucker for frauds and you lose him he'll limp back one day more the wiser. Earn what you get and get what you earn. Take a fair margin and be happy with that. Respect your customer enough to give them the honest best answer in the field, disregarding all of the other side partner incentives that are fleeting. Don't be bribed to screw your customer. A bribe is a one-time thing, and a well-cared for customer is far more lucrative than a bribe could ever be. Know what the best answer is, without doubt.
No more, no less than the simple truth. I'm fortunate enough to have found a company I didn't have to teach these values to, and persuade them to let me work for them. Otherwise I'd have had to do some other useful thing with my life.
I've been on the downside of this when early on I designed a system that didn't have the promised properties and it cost more than a year of my pay to fix it - but it cost the customer nothing more because the company delivered the thing I promised. We lost money on that deal. I've learned since, and nobody had to school me - and nobody did. If I was the sort that needed to be led out behind the woodshed for discipline, I wouldn't have got on in the first place. It was a valuable lesson.
On the downstroke of the economy we did fine. Even as other failing companies were bidding less than cost we grew on the strength of our word. On the upstroke we grow even faster because people like the straight deal when they've got money to spend, and over time folks move up but they still know where to get a square deal. People don't want to spend all day on "value building" presentations - they just want to go to a trusted partner and say "How do I ...." and know that the answer they get is an honest answer.
And yes, I know that for your special case I might have said "sdakf dfakl; ewrq reqw ewrp" and it had as much meaning. You're not capable of understanding what I've written here. Both of us are playing to a wider audience, and I'm sad for the folk who listen to you. I've not said who I work for here, and I won't ever. I don't think that's appropriate for /., and I don't want my employer to be held accountable for my regular impolitick comments they're no party to - I've posted here longer than I've worked there. But good vendors can be had and the idea that everybody is out to screw over everybody else for maximum profit is the product of your corrupt soul. My world doesn't really work like that.
OK, this is going to read like a troll but I really want to know. I've never used OracleDB, though I've had a few customers who do. I've used others, including MySQL and Postrgres and some long dead. They're wonderful. They cluster nicely, they answer queries in predictable ways. You give 'em tuples, they give 'em back when you ask for them - and that's about it. MySQL and Postgres take advantage of modern tech like 12-core processors, 10Gbps Ethernet or Infiniband, PCIe attached, Fiber attached, SAS and SATA attached connections for networking and storage. They run nicely in a virtual machine. And they're free - as in if you want to install 10 instances on 10 servers each with 48 cores (soon 64) and 512GB RAM, knock yourself out. Those servers cost about $37K each, $45K if you populate them with 8x480GB OWC SSDs (and who wouldn't?), and a little more if you add some IODrives Duos, or some SAN into the mix. There are some crazy large and crazy fast options available now. And you can buy decent support from credible companies too. Oracle owns MySQL now and that's a red flag (though it's been forked), but Postgres is still out there and I understand it is quite the credible SQL implementation that doesn't quit working when you need to migrate it to the next generation of high-performance hardware because you haven't licensed it for that. You don't have to negotiate the licensing on these free things to move to the next level, as happens it seems each 18 months or so.
What would it cost, I wonder, to fully license Oracle's DB suite on that $450K cluster. Anybody know? For added points solve the problem in reverse: What's the scale of a fully licensed Oracle DB cluster you could buy with half a million dollars, hardware and software included, assuming a fairly standard 5-year service life and the usual redundancy requirements? And if the capabilities of the available servers doubled again in 18 months, as has been their wont these last two decades, what cost then?
OracleDB is a bog-standard SQL database server with the oddly distinguishing characteristic that its queries aren't quite the same as the others. I understand it's got some special management sizzle - that's non-portable. I'm old. I've been around so long I remember when SQL was a sketchy maybe competitor to COBOL. It seems to have caught on though. SQL was invented in the 1970's, became an ANSI standard in 1986 and ISO standard in 1987. It's been improved a few times - adding a few features, but that's basically it - SQL has been a solved problem for so long my legacy SQL code is old enough to buy alcohol in DC. Some of that legacy code is older than the mother of my grandson. Sure, there are new features and proprietary features. The new features are cool if they're standard. The proprietary features are just a violation of the basic principle of a common database language in the first place - using them is an egregious programming error on par with using GOTO which last I heard is considered harmful. I can understand issues about losing the source code for ancient apps written in C that are still useful - I've done that - hell, I lost my best dancing tree chainsort that way and I wish I had it back because it was elegant. But SQL code is written in text, exclusively. You can't lose the source code. Eventually this clinging to legacy code becomes a History Channel episode of Hoarders - the inability to let go of ancient garbage is a mental health issue.
What is there about OracleDB that makes people willing to put up with this nonsense and pay so much for it each year? I just don't get this "you have no choice" thing at all. At some point I would think it's just a better answer to buy some modern gear, hire some folk to un-Oracleize the code, migrate the data and move on. Certainly "if you buy it we're going to exploit your dependence on our product to milk you like the cash cow you are" can't be an appealing part of the ROI presentation.
I just don't get it. Maybe my inability to "get it" defines
>Wouldn't they just consider it part of overhead, and pass the cost to customers? Wouldn't they be fools not to?
That you can even form this second question is indicative that you will get what you deserve. Oracle could be crushed to dust tomorrow and you'd just find a new beast to exploit you.
There's already a fix for the "crap stories" problem.
I like this one.
This is already an option.
I've got quite a few posts in there I would truly like to edit away. And I'm glad we can't edit/delete posts anyway.
Tequila does not wear off in five minutes.
And of course the grandparent comment was the first link. Nicely done.
This reminds me of one of my favorite articles that I submitted.
Well whatever this is certainly doesn't work well on my Asus Transformer tablet on any of the three browsers I use. It's barely functional on my Android phone. It works fairly well in the stock Debian browser because I use Classic view. It was painful last time I tried it on the iPad. It works OK in most versions of IE I've tried, but I don't like to fire up a Windows box just to browse /. It seems somehow... wrong.
It reminds me of the old web interface for some HP bladesystem gear - you needed three browsers and two PCs just to access (or even view) the features of the equipment. Maybe they should just call out what browser combination this thing is validated on so most of us can have a good laugh and go away.
This feature is still there. It's discouraged because it's hard to maintain both the classic system and the new one, and it's brutal on the bandwidth. And yes, that's how I read slashdot too.
Not much nonsense in this man. He found work he loved and lived it. Supreme innovator, market disruptor. CEO of the century already. And always, with class and style. He will be sorely missed.
They're not even trying to keep them from being flashed. It seems they know better than to waste time on that.
He's me, and I'd still do it. Embrace your best critics. Win.