Do you have a more coherent argument than bringing up examples of someone who did something contrary and saying that just because these people do, everyone else must?
I'm not sure how coherent is the idea that it's necessary to invest so much in a simple doctor that most people cannot afford his care, so much in a medicine that the poor must remain ill. This is not how smallpox was eradicated.
Hey - there's a system in place for mainstream medicine and it's working for some. I'm not saying it's bad. It's great for the people who can afford it. More power to the people engaged in that system.
Now everybody else needs medicine and care too. Who are you to deny them?
Also, that electron microscope or that gene sequencer does not grow on a tree.
This is an interesting argument, but really -- what are you getting with that over-the-top equipment? Bizarre drugs with side effects that kill you. A lot can be achieved without that fancy gear.
Remember... you can't expect a Finnish undergrad to invent an OS that takes over the world either. Quality people do find a way to express themselves.
"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it." Jean-Louis Gassée, former CEO, BeOS
Open-source advocates can be as magnanimous as they wish. As long as the other side denies their right to exist, there will be conflict.
OLPC, eee and Classmate can warm up to Microsoft all they want. As long as they keep showing off open source platforms as the launching point for hot new tech, the kids will get the picture: Open Source is where the action is.
I think the space expansion will happen first, but the way global warming's going antarctic cities don't look that unlikely either. Once they find the vast oil and coal reserves there it's all over.
This is equivalent to Microsoft throwing a few cases of SuSE coupons in with each freight container of surplus CRT monitors. Ultimately all of it winds up shredded and scattered in farmer's field somewhere, leaking its toxins into the ground.
And from their point of view, better there than here.
When they did this deal I suggested using them as wallpaper, but the labor to paper that many halls in Redmond is probably more expensive than doing it this way.
It's the rest of it that's borked. Bill Gates has admitted it. Steve Ballmer has admitted it. We all know it. It's time you accepted that the thing as a whole sucks.
Server 2008, maybe it looks good. Vista? Time to let it go.
I don't care if they call it the Pepsi Cosmodrome and sell seats that defray the costs. I actually hope they get YouTube to sponsor streaming video of the entire operation, with product placement, endorsements, memorabilia, space scouts and the rest of "The Man Who Sold The Moon" experience. What I care about is that they go, and keep going.
The Russians pioneered manned spaceflight and it's not for us to tell them how to do it. If they like capitalism, so much the better.
Windows is a packaged, supposedly complete product that costs real money (a lot of it), is extremely widespread, and most importantly to your point, used by almost everyone in North America at some point in their lives
I was in Las Vegas recently and watched on of these experience maintenance. It ran Linux. Apparently lots of people use Linux that don't know it. Little better evidence can be offered than that legendary pillar of the FOSS community Volkswagon submitting a major module for the latest kernel release.
In short, although the Vista experience is horribly broken you could be having a linux experience and not even know it. Some people would even say that's the goal. If you have to know the branding on the software then you're interacting with the brand, not doing stuff you want to do.
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The thing about dominance on the desktop is that linux is going to win it by doing an end around and using Microsoft's strategy of incompatibility work against them.
Already in this thread there are the usual Microsoft shills whining about how Ubuntu doesn't yet work with their laptop's wireless card. What they don't see is that every time they point out a piece of hardware that doesn't work in Linux it's a win for Linux now. The device manufacturer will open up the interface for development or the line of product will die because people want choice.
There exists hardware where the manufacturer refuses to disclose how it operates. The only purpose for this is to prevent it from working with open systems. The cure is simple. Don't buy it. Do not reward vendors for limiting your choices. In time they'll learn to stop including toxic stuff in their box.
Read the label. In this case, read the specifications for the stuff you buy. If the ingredients aren't on your preferred list of safe ingredients then just don't buy it. These days there are plenty of vendors eager to brag about how their platform will run any software you want to run including Dell, IBM and HP. In fact if your hardware won't work with an OS so flexible it runs on x86, alpha, sparc, arm, powerpc, hppa, ia64, mips and s390 then it must be truly broken. After all, Linux supports more hardware devices out of the box than any other.
If they won't tell you what's in the box and you buy it anyway then you're stuck. Fortunately the list of toxic ingredients and their sponsors get shorter every day.
Look, if anyone just does a basic analysis, you'll see that there's this circular process where the heavier operating system requires new hardware, forcing people to buy both to keep up with the times, which both them and the manufacturer want.
According to this basic analysis(pdf), debian Etch is an order of magnitude larger and more complex than Vista. And yet it doesn't require this "new hardware" you're speaking of.
In fact in addition to the x86-32 and x86-64 targets Vista aims for it also runs on alpha, sparc, arm, powerpc, hppa, ia64, mips and s390. From the toys to spacecraft, from webservers to 85.2% of the world's top 500 supercomputers it'll run on almost anything. That's engineering.
This will not end until they have a solid competitor, period, and that means the linux geeks have got to get off their high horse and make an easy, packaged, "buy your box from dell with it pre-loaded" version of it your grandma can use.
You have been able to buy PCs preloaded with linux from Walmart, Dell, IBM, HP and many others for several years.
Because, personally, i'm getting a little sick of getting these operating systems from Microsoft which I swear to God have code running several extra loops just to bog it down so that only the most bleeding edge (aka money I don't want to spend) boxes can handle it reasonably.
So switch. It's time. Ballmer says Vista is a work in progress. Gates says its replacement is a year out. Let's take their word for it. This is a great window of opportunity to justify looking at alternatives.
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That's not stopping us from using them for meaningful communication.
What virus has been eradicated since the invention of the electron microscope? Can you name one?
The electrons in this message are 100% recycled. No Bosons were harmed in its manufacture.
When your medicine is so expensive that the untreated sick are infecting others you're not part of the solution - you're part of the problem.
And they do give. That's not a problem is it?
I'm not sure how coherent is the idea that it's necessary to invest so much in a simple doctor that most people cannot afford his care, so much in a medicine that the poor must remain ill. This is not how smallpox was eradicated.
Hey - there's a system in place for mainstream medicine and it's working for some. I'm not saying it's bad. It's great for the people who can afford it. More power to the people engaged in that system.
Now everybody else needs medicine and care too. Who are you to deny them?
How's that working out for you? Find a cure for HIV yet? Dengue? Marburg? Ebola? BSV? Malaria even?
Dr. Salk managed to find a vaccine for Polio without these expensive toys. When asked about the patent for his vaccine, he is quoted as saying:
You can't? What are these people doing then?
Ok, let's push the analogy a little more.
This is an interesting argument, but really -- what are you getting with that over-the-top equipment? Bizarre drugs with side effects that kill you. A lot can be achieved without that fancy gear.
Remember... you can't expect a Finnish undergrad to invent an OS that takes over the world either. Quality people do find a way to express themselves.
You are sooo right.
Because if somebody else invents better drugs to give away for free, you're sunk.
Open-source advocates can be as magnanimous as they wish. As long as the other side denies their right to exist, there will be conflict.
OLPC, eee and Classmate can warm up to Microsoft all they want. As long as they keep showing off open source platforms as the launching point for hot new tech, the kids will get the picture: Open Source is where the action is.
I believe the term "Plays For Now(tm)" is more appropriate. Goes for all DRM content too.
Two chicks at the same time. /ob
If he wins... we get more coupons for Microsoft products... in 2024.
Omitting this non-essential objective from the mission is what makes it do-able.
I'll bet you think I'm kidding. I'm not.
I think the space expansion will happen first, but the way global warming's going antarctic cities don't look that unlikely either. Once they find the vast oil and coal reserves there it's all over.
So if you paid full retail thinking you could drag XP with you when you upgrade your system...
You're stuck. Kaching. Thanks for playing.
Here's a handy link for FLOTHERM. It'll give you the gist of it.
This is equivalent to Microsoft throwing a few cases of SuSE coupons in with each freight container of surplus CRT monitors. Ultimately all of it winds up shredded and scattered in farmer's field somewhere, leaking its toxins into the ground.
And from their point of view, better there than here.
When they did this deal I suggested using them as wallpaper, but the labor to paper that many halls in Redmond is probably more expensive than doing it this way.
It's the rest of it that's borked. Bill Gates has admitted it. Steve Ballmer has admitted it. We all know it. It's time you accepted that the thing as a whole sucks.
Server 2008, maybe it looks good. Vista? Time to let it go.
I don't care if they call it the Pepsi Cosmodrome and sell seats that defray the costs. I actually hope they get YouTube to sponsor streaming video of the entire operation, with product placement, endorsements, memorabilia, space scouts and the rest of "The Man Who Sold The Moon" experience. What I care about is that they go, and keep going.
The Russians pioneered manned spaceflight and it's not for us to tell them how to do it. If they like capitalism, so much the better.
I was in Las Vegas recently and watched on of these experience maintenance. It ran Linux. Apparently lots of people use Linux that don't know it. Little better evidence can be offered than that legendary pillar of the FOSS community Volkswagon submitting a major module for the latest kernel release.
In short, although the Vista experience is horribly broken you could be having a linux experience and not even know it. Some people would even say that's the goal. If you have to know the branding on the software then you're interacting with the brand, not doing stuff you want to do.
Hey, cool. It's got a lot of neat new stuff it should have had since, oh, 2003. Now if only it worked, that would be nice.
I guess we'll have to wait a year for Windows 7 or just get our fix now.
Your perspective may be skewed. The rest of us see it as more of a Win98 -> WinME type of migration.
Microsoft taketh away.
It's not a theory. It's been understood doctrine for over 15 years.
This article should prove interesting.
I would say at least one vendor has heard you.
We don't buy hardware that doesn't have open specifications. It's a winning strategy. You should try it.
If you think wireless is a pain to get working on a Ubuntu laptop you should try getting Vista to install on an eee 2G. Fun times.
The thing about dominance on the desktop is that linux is going to win it by doing an end around and using Microsoft's strategy of incompatibility work against them.
Already in this thread there are the usual Microsoft shills whining about how Ubuntu doesn't yet work with their laptop's wireless card. What they don't see is that every time they point out a piece of hardware that doesn't work in Linux it's a win for Linux now. The device manufacturer will open up the interface for development or the line of product will die because people want choice.
When the Linux in your pocket and Linux in your handbag devices just sync better with Linux on your desktop and work seamlessly with Linux on the server then the game is over. The network is the platform.
There exists hardware where the manufacturer refuses to disclose how it operates. The only purpose for this is to prevent it from working with open systems. The cure is simple. Don't buy it. Do not reward vendors for limiting your choices. In time they'll learn to stop including toxic stuff in their box.
Read the label. In this case, read the specifications for the stuff you buy. If the ingredients aren't on your preferred list of safe ingredients then just don't buy it. These days there are plenty of vendors eager to brag about how their platform will run any software you want to run including Dell, IBM and HP. In fact if your hardware won't work with an OS so flexible it runs on x86, alpha, sparc, arm, powerpc, hppa, ia64, mips and s390 then it must be truly broken. After all, Linux supports more hardware devices out of the box than any other.
If they won't tell you what's in the box and you buy it anyway then you're stuck. Fortunately the list of toxic ingredients and their sponsors get shorter every day.
According to this basic analysis(pdf), debian Etch is an order of magnitude larger and more complex than Vista. And yet it doesn't require this "new hardware" you're speaking of.
In fact in addition to the x86-32 and x86-64 targets Vista aims for it also runs on alpha, sparc, arm, powerpc, hppa, ia64, mips and s390. From the toys to spacecraft, from webservers to 85.2% of the world's top 500 supercomputers it'll run on almost anything. That's engineering.
You have been able to buy PCs preloaded with linux from Walmart, Dell, IBM, HP and many others for several years.
So switch. It's time. Ballmer says Vista is a work in progress. Gates says its replacement is a year out. Let's take their word for it. This is a great window of opportunity to justify looking at alternatives.