My dad was that Fore Engineer (Brian Rosen). On Fore's products. All though i hve no first hand knowledge on how stable / reliable they really are. I urge you not to speak ass on this issue. Im sure some people have had problems with their products, but that happens with every company / product availiable. Cisco, 3Com , whoever. Dont take the word of people posting on Slashdot. Read some real facts from people who test products like these. Since Fore has grown an inredible amount,and continues to grow it leads me to beleive they are doing something right. THe are the number 1 ATM switch manufacturer in the world. There is my spirl on the issue. -Zack Rosen
"To protect ourselves, and the integrity of our reports, we feel the need to respond to Microsoft when they say unfuck.exe is no different from a program named audiojacker or total recorder which takes audio from your sound card and converts it to a WAV file. This has nothing to do with what UNFUCK.EXE does! UNFUCK.EXE actaully breaks the protection on any file. There is no loss in quality, the file isn't re-recorded or captured in some way. A crack is just that, a crack. It's not manipulating the audio in such a way that it can be captured, it is actaully destroying the protected on an already recorded audio file."
- DMusic's article
Considering DMusic were the orginal people with the story,and adamantly profess unfuck.exe's effectiveness, i would assume that they are correct on this issue.
THats what the previous stuff did. Ripped the adio to a wav (right from your soundcad presumably). But unfuck.exe is coolificated because IT ACTUALLY CRACKS WMA. Sqaushes it dead.
That's simply not true. Attacking China's firewall is childish. First it is up to the Chinese citizens to attack it, as an act of rebellion against dictatorship. It's not a bunch of teenage Americans who should decide the politics in the world ! Second, in our societies, where everyone is basically free (it's the oppposite in China), it is not acceptable to vandalize, or perform illegal actions, in order to express an opinion: you are free to write them and publish them (journal, WWW), if you are doing something illegal instead, all you deserve is to go in jail.
*I agree whith you that hacking is definantly a crime. A crime that is punishable by law, and rightfully so.
*I would like to elaberate more one what i preveously stated. "the public views them as more humane and less malicous, and maybe even more positive human beings." ...Maybe this assumption is wrong, but IMO the public would be more likely to frown upon random acts of malicousous against innocent corporations....Than that of a pollitically motivated assault on Chinas oppressive firewalls that "will only provide access to Chinese information sources, therefore shutting out others from around the world." -Wired News . While i would love to argue with you for days on end about Chinas oppressiveness, i will leave that for another forum / thread.
No . Crackers are a nuisance, period. * This maybe a very sound argument, one i may adopt when i grow older (wiser?)...I have no real response other than to state that i did not say other wise in my original post.
Buy yourself a good book about HTML or Java, and start doing something productive. The uninformed public may find crackers "cool", but real geeks know how little skill it takes to crack, and how lame it is anyway. And nobody will ever take them seriously, there is a difference between television and reality, my son.
At this point you really loose me. The above comment seems to be a personal (unsubstantiated) attack. You make conjectures and accusiations on topics i did not even mention. If you really do have some book suggestions, i would be happy to hear them.
Just send them to (zackr@cs.cmu.edu || zkr@salsgiver.com)
Hackers / Crackers...whatever you feel like calling them have existed for a long time, and will continue to exist for a long long time. Certain hackers seem to crave the publics attention.
Years ago their antics resembled unorganized, anarchaic (word?), vandalistic stunts. The good ones got what they wanted (attention) and some went to jail. Recently however some have grown up somewhat and are starting to take more time in choosing their targets. As more public attention has been focused on them, their is a push to bend societies rules and thus put more meaning and thought into their actions.
An example of this are the recent political attacks such as that against China's firewall. By doing this the public views them as more humane and less malicous, and maybe even more poisitive human beings. This means a few things:
*There is less pressure to stop them with legal force.
*There is more public support for thier actions, which ultimatly leads to more and more frequent hacks / hackers.
Is this a good thing? I have yet to decide, but im personally kinda rooting for the hackers.
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My dad was that Fore Engineer (Brian Rosen). On Fore's products. All though i hve no first hand knowledge on how stable / reliable they really are. I urge you not to speak ass on this issue. Im sure some people have had problems with their products, but that happens with every company / product availiable. Cisco, 3Com , whoever. Dont take the word of people posting on Slashdot. Read some real facts from people who test products like these. Since Fore has grown an inredible amount ,and continues to grow it leads me to beleive they are doing something right. THe are the number 1 ATM switch manufacturer in the world. There is my spirl on the issue. -Zack Rosen
...According to Dimension Music anyways.
"To protect ourselves, and the integrity of our reports, we feel the need to respond to Microsoft when they say unfuck.exe is no different from a program named audiojacker or total recorder which takes audio from your sound card and converts it to a WAV file. This has nothing to do with what UNFUCK.EXE does! UNFUCK.EXE actaully breaks the protection on any file. There is no loss in quality, the file isn't re-recorded or captured in some way.
A crack is just that, a crack. It's not manipulating the audio in such a way that it can be captured, it is actaully destroying the protected on an already recorded audio file."
- DMusic's article
Considering DMusic were the orginal people with the story,and adamantly profess unfuck.exe's effectiveness, i would assume that they are correct on this issue.
-Zack Rosen
THats what the previous stuff did. Ripped the adio to a wav (right from your soundcad presumably). But unfuck.exe is coolificated because IT ACTUALLY CRACKS WMA. Sqaushes it dead.
-Zack
That's simply not true. Attacking China's firewall is childish. First it is up to the Chinese citizens to attack it, as an act of rebellion against dictatorship. It's not a bunch of teenage Americans who should decide the politics in the world ! Second, in our societies, where everyone is basically free (it's the oppposite in China), it is not acceptable to vandalize, or perform illegal actions, in order to express an opinion: you are free to write them and publish them (journal, WWW), if you are doing something illegal instead, all you deserve is to go in jail.
*I agree whith you that hacking is definantly a crime. A crime that is punishable by law, and rightfully so.
*I would like to elaberate more one what i preveously stated.
"the public views them as more humane and less malicous, and maybe even more positive human beings."
...Maybe this assumption is wrong, but IMO the public would be more likely to frown upon random acts of malicousous against innocent corporations
No . Crackers are a nuisance, period.
* This maybe a very sound argument, one i may adopt when i grow older (wiser?)...I have no real response other than to state that i did not say other wise in my original post.
Buy yourself a good book about HTML or Java, and start doing something productive. The uninformed public may find crackers "cool", but real geeks know how little skill it takes to crack, and how lame it is anyway. And nobody will ever take them seriously, there is a difference between television and reality, my son.
At this point you really loose me. The above comment seems to be a personal (unsubstantiated) attack. You make conjectures and accusiations on topics i did not even mention. If you really do have some book suggestions, i would be happy to hear them.
Just send them to (zackr@cs.cmu.edu || zkr@salsgiver.com)
Hackers / Crackers...whatever you feel like calling them have existed for a long time, and will continue to exist for a long long time. Certain hackers seem to crave the publics attention.
Years ago their antics resembled unorganized, anarchaic (word?), vandalistic stunts. The good ones got what they wanted (attention) and some went to jail. Recently however some have grown up somewhat and are starting to take more time in choosing their targets. As more public attention has been focused on them, their is a push to bend societies rules and thus put more meaning and thought into their actions.
An example of this are the recent political attacks such as that against China's firewall. By doing this the public views them as more humane and less malicous, and maybe even more poisitive human beings. This means a few things:
*There is less pressure to stop them with legal force.
*There is more public support for thier actions, which ultimatly leads to more and more frequent hacks / hackers.
Is this a good thing? I have yet to decide, but im personally kinda rooting for the hackers.
-Zack Rosen
zkr@salsgiver.com