Right - just like how secretaries don't have a sexual harassment claim unless the boss locked the exit door before pressuring them into sex. They can always quit!
This is an extrapolation of an extrapolation of an extrapolation of a false equivalency. The only way someone directly died (you know, like from the GM ignitions) from VW exhaust is if they sat in a running car in a closed garage - which would happen with any other car running on petrol.
Ok, build more nukes and shut down coal plants. No?
Oy. What is it with nuke fans and the false dichotomy of coal/nuclear? You're as bad as the diehard Trump/Clinton supporters who think that criticizing one must mean you luuuuv the other.
Well that tells me that the entire movement is mostly about the environmental religion instead of real conservation.
Says a proponent of nuclear power that doesn't know it is completely unjustifiable based on cost alone. No plant has been built that rolls the full cost of mining, refinement, construction, insurance, disaster preparedness, security and decommission. Much less storing the waste for hundreds to thousands of years. Without massive subsidies from the taxpayer, the industry could not exist.
And thus nuclear power cannot be justified.
Even if you breed an entire herd of nuclear unicorns (cheap construction, foolproof designs, non-vaporware breeder reactors) you're never going to get around the issues of containment and security. As it is, you could get the entire county on 100% renewable energy in the time it takes to construct a single nuclear power plant. Renewables that are already cheaper than coal, and that's allowing coal to externalize much of its associated costs, same as your preferred industry. And before you bring up the Baseline Zombie, renewable power generation can be spaced across the grid, with excess energy stored in simple gravity batteries - reservoirs and water towers.
And a drunk driver doesn't "intend" to cause harm when he gets behind the wheel and ends up killing someone. I suggest Googling the definition of negligence.
GM did not intentionally break the law.
They knowing sold a switch more than a decade after they knew it was defective. Full stop.
There were no flaws in the tests. The tests were tickling an obscure bug, which Apple has now fixed.
Slight problem with that analysis: Consumer Reports isn't a security or software testing company, they write reviews for, well, consumers. As no Consumer would have run into this scenario, the test is flawed when used as a basis for giving the unit a poor Report.
There can be an issue with Safari (bug) and CR's testing methods at the same time.
The only reason your post is marked insightful is because too many people who are both pedants and ignorant of basic journalistic ethics had mod points today.
Nah, people just have a deep, physical need to hate a particular company, because reasons. Maybe Steve Jobs ran over their dogs when they were kids, and they haven't gotten over it?
That's what it should remind you of. Greedy land developers (and the banks giving them loans) have been driving the development of flood-prone areas, and buying off politicians so as to not get in the way with (shudder) regulation. Capitalism ensures that these kind of "mistakes" will happen, all the time, in every industry it touches.
But that's the genius of the religion, as failures are treated as successes, as the failing company will go through the capitalist natural selection process, and be replaced by the next company who may make the same sort of "mistake", but with different loans and shareholders backing it up.
Ever wonder why people are skeptical of claims like this?
Because you're a bunch of deranged cultists impervious to facts, like anti-vaxxers.
I respect the scientists at NCDC, but so many other people angrily defend global warming like the religion it is.
Do you give kids lead painted toys and cigarettes for Christmas? Because it was scientific research that proved those things to cause medial problems. So, are you doing your part to defeat the big librul agenduh against the poor beleaguered tobacco industry? If not, why not.
The communist promise is "work hard today, and one day we'll all be living in paradise where everyone can be living well". In turn that means, though, that if everyone but me is working hard, we'll all be living comfortably, so I don't really have to pull that hard, do I? And if it fails, we're all to blame. In other words, when that fails, "the system" is to blame because, well, what can a single person do?
Right. In the same way that starting your own business means you will defraud your partners, sell defective goods to your customers and sexually harass your secretary while dumping toxic waste in the river. Because reasons.
The capitalist promise is "work hard today and one day YOU will be living in paradise where YOU can be living like a king". It's much more personal. The weight of that is squarely on you, if you fail, you're to blame, the system works because, look, there are people who got rich and live like a king. You failed.
You mean be a good little serf in neo-feudalism, where the company you work for collects 90% of your output and hard work is rewarded with....more work and a 2% annual increase in pay.
I love how these assertions and declarations are just put out there.
If idiots want to keep insisting that water is dry, waddya gonna do?
Life is far more resilient than you suggest.
Hardly - unless you're up in the Arctic, starting your own breeding program to turn polar bears from a slow moving species that hunts in the ocean, into a slim fast moving predator chasing down caribou in a matter of decades. And that your fellow anti-vaxxer friends are doing the same thing in every ecosystem undergoing change.
Humans will suffer but will endure but then again that's what they do to each other regardless of climate.
Yes, a handful of humans may survive in a DOD-powered Vault 13, waiting a century or two until the methane effect wears off, and then try to get by with your GECK's. Billions might die in the process, though.
There was a statistically insignificant difference between 2016 and 1998 (0.02C).
You mean the two hottest years on record - like saying there's a statistically insignificant difference in pain the two times in your life you got kicked in the balls.
Please can we stop the tsunami of bollocks about global warming? It's fucking tiresome.
Have you gone back to giving kids cigarettes and lead painted toys for Christmas? If not, why not?
I'm with Freeman Dyson on this. It's probably warmed a bit and the consequences of that warming are probably good for Humanity and the biosphere.
Willful dumbfuckery. Even avoiding doomsday scenarios, climate change has already had enormous costs: dry weather, which makes for record droughts and forest fires. Warmer and wetter weather, which makes for more and more powerful tornadoes, hurricanes, floods and blizzards, with cleanup costs in the billions. When even the Pentagon - the single largest user of oil on the planet, that has overthrown many countries to allow for greater oil production - is predicting resource wars from famines and water shortages, what gives the rest of your right wingers an excuse?
The cost of addressing climate change is insignificant next to the costs of not addressing it.
That's what your daddy said when people wanted to put cancer warnings on cigarette packages, and when the big librul gubbmit came for your grandaddies asbestos insulation.
Did the Clinton's not pass crime bills that tripled the black prison population?
Did the Clinton's not gut welfare, something Reagan could have only dreamed of?
Did the Clinton's not repeal Glass Steagall, which paved the way for the housing crisis?
Did Hillary not dog whistle at minority kids with her Superpredators speech?
Did Hillary not support the Iraq War, and advocate for many more across the Middle East?
I expect we'll be seeing a lot of this kind of nonsense in the next four years...or until Trump's impeachment for fraud or sexual assault.
You got your Trump 2020 sign on your lawn yet? Because that's what this "la la la" routine is going to get you. This election has seen the complete Birthering of Democrats, causing you to lose your damn minds and any connection to reality. Case in point:
Ah, so typical of a Trumpsucker.
I voted for Stein, you dumb fuck. Why don't you move your dumb ass to The Bubble and leave the rest of us with still-function brains to deal with the mess you partisan hacks have made us.
If this is the worst case of company abuse you can think of, think of the 6 million people the USSR intentionally starved to death in Afghanistan over 2 years because of political crimes (i.e. the poor fools just couldn't grasp how wonderful the cradle to grave welfare state is).
I see the shell finally fell off the delusional corporatist nut.
Notice that the previous claimed that a $50k salary was saving $500 per year, a $100k salary was saving $3k a year and the $250k salary was saving $25k a year. I don't make anywhere near $50k yet I'm saving more than the alleged $100k salary is.
And how much are you paying for debts/housing/health care/school loans, Old Economy Steve?
Take the money held by the leisure class and move it into infrastructure and consumer spending
The thing is, that's where the leisure class's money already is. They're either investing it in businesses (the most common sort of infrastructure out there) or somebody else's wages (which apparently go almost exclusively into consumer spending, if the previous figure is to be believed). Government certainly hasn't shown a talent at moving money into infrastructure.
Is Leonard Nemoy still alive and walking around with a beard in your reality? One where those idle trillions have been invested in mass transit, nationwide highspeed rail? Even their investments with create a pitiful handful of jobs tend to be in "emerging markets" and do jack to employ people in the United States.
Government certainly hasn't shown a talent at moving money into infrastructure.
Because it would rather have low tax rates for the rich (which have high costs for the rest of society) while spending over a trillion a year on the imperial budget. Does it ever embarrass you that China, which has a GDP less than half that of the United States, is kicking its ass on high speed rail?
If Greece were remotely socialist, they would have seceded from the EU and NATO five years ago.
Because...?
To regain their own sovereignty, currency, and be free of their monetary obligations to NATO. Should have been a clue when neolibs were scolding Greece that they needed to cut all spending to the bone and beyond - except for their payments to NATO, those are sacrosanct.
"Syriza" and "radical left" are frequently used in conjunction, but that means fuck-all when you go out of your way to pass even more draconian measures than the previous government.
Socialist governments do draconian measures too. Not seeing the point of the argument.
What's hard to understand about a flip-flop. Imagine that Ron Paul had won in 2012 - and the first thing he did was ram through legislation to abolish private property and flat-out confiscate all assets over $500,000. That would be the equivalent of a "radical left" party winning an election and then passing even more extreme capitalist austerity. Party labels and campaign promises are irrelevant - it's actions that count.
There is simply no way to... enforce contractual terms after money has changed hands.
Well, fortunately that opinion was obsolete about 5000 years ago, when debt contracts became legally enforceable. Because we can legally oblige someone to follow terms after an exchange of money, we as a society developed investment, credit, loans, and complex economics. Effectively, if all exchange was limited to what was available at the time of the transaction, we'd be trapped in a barter economy.
Unfortunately that's tripe. Debt contracts are just that, contracts, where you see terms and conditions before you sign, not after.
Which, translated, means that the company can use any clause against you, but you cannot use any clause against them.
No, it means that you need to go learn the local laws to understand the laws, and it's not your employer's responsibility to educate you.
No, it means exactly what I said: the company is free to use any policy in the handbook against you, but if you try to point out a clause to your benefit with a dispute to HR, then it's "oh, it's not a contract."
So, you're the exact sort of corporatist. idiot. hack. that I was referring to. You could make a nice living as a judge in Texas.
The only thing is, all of these dumb rednecks desperately want to die early from some kind of coal-related illness. Is there some way we can still make their dream come true, even as solar gets cheaper by the day?
Republicans could repeal all their voter ID laws and just pay you to speak to voters - such a steaming pile of eugenicist, elitist bullshit would ensure Trump not just a second term, but a third and fourth after the 22nd Amendment is repealed.
The black lung provisions of the ACA are croutons on the shit salad they've been served since the start of 2009. No cost controls on insurance premiums, no drug reimportation, no jobs program, no increase in minimum wage, supporting junk charter schools over public institutions, not doing a damn thing about the Wall Street fraud that blew up their retirement savings, doing nothing while banks illegally foreclosed on their homes, tried to cut their Social Security and Medicare benefits, and flushed money down more bullshit wars abroad while pushing austerity at home.
Democrats: beating the dog three times a day, then gets outraged when the dog wont do tricks after being a quarter of a biscuit.
Ah, an elitist liberal hypocrite again. They're worried about losing their MEANS OF MAKING A LIVING. Go drown yourself in a latte please.
I understand that.
No, you don't. If it was your family depending on an industry showered with bipartisan love, you'd be fighting to save it too.
There's lots of things they could do and lots of things that could be done in that part of the country.
Like put up wind farms on all those mountains instead of blowing them up as another poster said - too bad no one in either party had any interest in doing so.
Unfortunately, there seem to be vast swaths of population (ex-coal miners in Appalachia... ex-farmers in the Midwest... ex-factory workers in the Rust Belt, etc.) who seem hell bent on not learning to do anything new
Whether your elitist nonsense is liberal, conservative, or Randian, it's still nonsense. The Randian solution is for these poor people to materialize new jobs through sheer force of will. The conservative solution is to tell them to get off their lazy ass and move to where the jobs are. The liberal solution is to sign them up for retraining classes for jobs that don't exist.
That's a nice stock answer, but it's bullshit. First, you think there is "manmade global warming." Personally, I think that's bullshit as well
Because you're a deranged religious fanatic, that's why. For Christmas, you probably didn't give your nieces and nephews a pack of Camels, asbestos mittens and lead-painted toys. Because scientists long ago came to a consensus that smoking, asbestos and lead all cause cancer or other health defects. So:
1) You fighting the good fight against the lilbrul conspiracies on those products? 2) Are you engaging in willful dumbfuckery, because reasons?
I'm less forgiving than you. If their own choices wind up biting them in the ass, too bad.
The fallacy in this voter-shaming is the fact that voting for the Democrat would have meant a nasty bite ripped out of their left buttcheek, as opposed to a nasty bite taken out of the right buttcheek. It wasn't Reagan who signed NAFTA and it wasn't Obama who signed the last minimum wage increase. Treating the working class like unwanted dog shit and then having a tempter tantrum when voters don't reward you in the next election is one of the many reasons the party just lost to an incompetent sexist right wing demagogue.
Obama through ACA (obamacare) helped the miners by increasing their healthcare benefits and providing the families of deceased miners with benefits.
And hurt the miners by opposing any cost controls in the ACA, twiddling his thumbs while banks illegally foreclosed on their homes, supported the privatization of public schools through charters, not increasing the minimum wage while he had the chance and most certainly did not wear holes in his walking shoes to support any unions.
Acting like an abusive spouse - treating constituencies crap yet scream in their face when they don't swoon over the croutons on top of the shit salad - is one of the many reasons the party just lost to an orange pussy grabbing baboon.
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Right - just like how secretaries don't have a sexual harassment claim unless the boss locked the exit door before pressuring them into sex. They can always quit!
Willfully obtuse? The claim in the lawsuit isn't "oh, I was unhappy with my job so gimme money".
This is an extrapolation of an extrapolation of an extrapolation of a false equivalency. The only way someone directly died (you know, like from the GM ignitions) from VW exhaust is if they sat in a running car in a closed garage - which would happen with any other car running on petrol.
Oy. What is it with nuke fans and the false dichotomy of coal/nuclear? You're as bad as the diehard Trump/Clinton supporters who think that criticizing one must mean you luuuuv the other.
Says a proponent of nuclear power that doesn't know it is completely unjustifiable based on cost alone. No plant has been built that rolls the full cost of mining, refinement, construction, insurance, disaster preparedness, security and decommission. Much less storing the waste for hundreds to thousands of years. Without massive subsidies from the taxpayer, the industry could not exist.
And thus nuclear power cannot be justified.
Even if you breed an entire herd of nuclear unicorns (cheap construction, foolproof designs, non-vaporware breeder reactors) you're never going to get around the issues of containment and security. As it is, you could get the entire county on 100% renewable energy in the time it takes to construct a single nuclear power plant. Renewables that are already cheaper than coal, and that's allowing coal to externalize much of its associated costs, same as your preferred industry. And before you bring up the Baseline Zombie, renewable power generation can be spaced across the grid, with excess energy stored in simple gravity batteries - reservoirs and water towers.
Corporatist.
Yes yes, they should make sure there is a clear title, etc etc. Otherwise his (her?) point still stands and the onus should be 100% on Volkswagon.
And a drunk driver doesn't "intend" to cause harm when he gets behind the wheel and ends up killing someone. I suggest Googling the definition of negligence.
They knowing sold a switch more than a decade after they knew it was defective. Full stop.
Slight problem with that analysis: Consumer Reports isn't a security or software testing company, they write reviews for, well, consumers. As no Consumer would have run into this scenario, the test is flawed when used as a basis for giving the unit a poor Report.
There can be an issue with Safari (bug) and CR's testing methods at the same time.
Nah, people just have a deep, physical need to hate a particular company, because reasons. Maybe Steve Jobs ran over their dogs when they were kids, and they haven't gotten over it?
That's what it should remind you of. Greedy land developers (and the banks giving them loans) have been driving the development of flood-prone areas, and buying off politicians so as to not get in the way with (shudder) regulation. Capitalism ensures that these kind of "mistakes" will happen, all the time, in every industry it touches.
But that's the genius of the religion, as failures are treated as successes, as the failing company will go through the capitalist natural selection process, and be replaced by the next company who may make the same sort of "mistake", but with different loans and shareholders backing it up.
Because you're a bunch of deranged cultists impervious to facts, like anti-vaxxers.
Do you give kids lead painted toys and cigarettes for Christmas? Because it was scientific research that proved those things to cause medial problems. So, are you doing your part to defeat the big librul agenduh against the poor beleaguered tobacco industry? If not, why not.
Right. In the same way that starting your own business means you will defraud your partners, sell defective goods to your customers and sexually harass your secretary while dumping toxic waste in the river. Because reasons.
You mean be a good little serf in neo-feudalism, where the company you work for collects 90% of your output and hard work is rewarded with....more work and a 2% annual increase in pay.
If idiots want to keep insisting that water is dry, waddya gonna do?
Hardly - unless you're up in the Arctic, starting your own breeding program to turn polar bears from a slow moving species that hunts in the ocean, into a slim fast moving predator chasing down caribou in a matter of decades. And that your fellow anti-vaxxer friends are doing the same thing in every ecosystem undergoing change.
Yes, a handful of humans may survive in a DOD-powered Vault 13, waiting a century or two until the methane effect wears off, and then try to get by with your GECK's. Billions might die in the process, though.
You mean the two hottest years on record - like saying there's a statistically insignificant difference in pain the two times in your life you got kicked in the balls.
Have you gone back to giving kids cigarettes and lead painted toys for Christmas? If not, why not?
Willful dumbfuckery. Even avoiding doomsday scenarios, climate change has already had enormous costs: dry weather, which makes for record droughts and forest fires. Warmer and wetter weather, which makes for more and more powerful tornadoes, hurricanes, floods and blizzards, with cleanup costs in the billions. When even the Pentagon - the single largest user of oil on the planet, that has overthrown many countries to allow for greater oil production - is predicting resource wars from famines and water shortages, what gives the rest of your right wingers an excuse?
The cost of addressing climate change is insignificant next to the costs of not addressing it.
That's what your daddy said when people wanted to put cancer warnings on cigarette packages, and when the big librul gubbmit came for your grandaddies asbestos insulation.
What misrepresentation.
Did the Clinton's not pass NAFTA?
Did the Clinton's not pass crime bills that tripled the black prison population?
Did the Clinton's not gut welfare, something Reagan could have only dreamed of?
Did the Clinton's not repeal Glass Steagall, which paved the way for the housing crisis?
Did Hillary not dog whistle at minority kids with her Superpredators speech?
Did Hillary not support the Iraq War, and advocate for many more across the Middle East?
You got your Trump 2020 sign on your lawn yet? Because that's what this "la la la" routine is going to get you. This election has seen the complete Birthering of Democrats, causing you to lose your damn minds and any connection to reality. Case in point:
I voted for Stein, you dumb fuck. Why don't you move your dumb ass to The Bubble and leave the rest of us with still-function brains to deal with the mess you partisan hacks have made us.
I see the shell finally fell off the delusional corporatist nut.
And how much are you paying for debts/housing/health care/school loans, Old Economy Steve?
Is Leonard Nemoy still alive and walking around with a beard in your reality? One where those idle trillions have been invested in mass transit, nationwide highspeed rail? Even their investments with create a pitiful handful of jobs tend to be in "emerging markets" and do jack to employ people in the United States.
Because it would rather have low tax rates for the rich (which have high costs for the rest of society) while spending over a trillion a year on the imperial budget. Does it ever embarrass you that China, which has a GDP less than half that of the United States, is kicking its ass on high speed rail?
To regain their own sovereignty, currency, and be free of their monetary obligations to NATO. Should have been a clue when neolibs were scolding Greece that they needed to cut all spending to the bone and beyond - except for their payments to NATO, those are sacrosanct.
What's hard to understand about a flip-flop. Imagine that Ron Paul had won in 2012 - and the first thing he did was ram through legislation to abolish private property and flat-out confiscate all assets over $500,000. That would be the equivalent of a "radical left" party winning an election and then passing even more extreme capitalist austerity. Party labels and campaign promises are irrelevant - it's actions that count.
Unfortunately that's tripe. Debt contracts are just that, contracts, where you see terms and conditions before you sign, not after.
No, it means exactly what I said: the company is free to use any policy in the handbook against you, but if you try to point out a clause to your benefit with a dispute to HR, then it's "oh, it's not a contract."
So, you're the exact sort of corporatist. idiot. hack. that I was referring to. You could make a nice living as a judge in Texas.
Republicans could repeal all their voter ID laws and just pay you to speak to voters - such a steaming pile of eugenicist, elitist bullshit would ensure Trump not just a second term, but a third and fourth after the 22nd Amendment is repealed.
The black lung provisions of the ACA are croutons on the shit salad they've been served since the start of 2009. No cost controls on insurance premiums, no drug reimportation, no jobs program, no increase in minimum wage, supporting junk charter schools over public institutions, not doing a damn thing about the Wall Street fraud that blew up their retirement savings, doing nothing while banks illegally foreclosed on their homes, tried to cut their Social Security and Medicare benefits, and flushed money down more bullshit wars abroad while pushing austerity at home.
Democrats: beating the dog three times a day, then gets outraged when the dog wont do tricks after being a quarter of a biscuit.
No, you don't. If it was your family depending on an industry showered with bipartisan love, you'd be fighting to save it too.
Like put up wind farms on all those mountains instead of blowing them up as another poster said - too bad no one in either party had any interest in doing so.
Whether your elitist nonsense is liberal, conservative, or Randian, it's still nonsense. The Randian solution is for these poor people to materialize new jobs through sheer force of will. The conservative solution is to tell them to get off their lazy ass and move to where the jobs are. The liberal solution is to sign them up for retraining classes for jobs that don't exist.
It's not the coal. It's the jobs, stupid.
Because you're a deranged religious fanatic, that's why. For Christmas, you probably didn't give your nieces and nephews a pack of Camels, asbestos mittens and lead-painted toys. Because scientists long ago came to a consensus that smoking, asbestos and lead all cause cancer or other health defects. So:
1) You fighting the good fight against the lilbrul conspiracies on those products?
2) Are you engaging in willful dumbfuckery, because reasons?
Pick one.
The fallacy in this voter-shaming is the fact that voting for the Democrat would have meant a nasty bite ripped out of their left buttcheek, as opposed to a nasty bite taken out of the right buttcheek. It wasn't Reagan who signed NAFTA and it wasn't Obama who signed the last minimum wage increase. Treating the working class like unwanted dog shit and then having a tempter tantrum when voters don't reward you in the next election is one of the many reasons the party just lost to an incompetent sexist right wing demagogue.
And hurt the miners by opposing any cost controls in the ACA, twiddling his thumbs while banks illegally foreclosed on their homes, supported the privatization of public schools through charters, not increasing the minimum wage while he had the chance and most certainly did not wear holes in his walking shoes to support any unions.
Acting like an abusive spouse - treating constituencies crap yet scream in their face when they don't swoon over the croutons on top of the shit salad - is one of the many reasons the party just lost to an orange pussy grabbing baboon.
Gee, and you can use all that saved money to pay for all those pipeline leaks and cleanup costs.
No, but all pipelines leak, which trashes land and watersheds, resulting in high cleanup costs, dipper-shit.
Boring FUD is boring. Couldn't you find something more imaginative?