Russia has been running a disinformation campaign 24/7 since the Ukraine war started.
You mean the western-backed coup against Ukraine's elected government, which was launched when the western, IMF austerity coalition couldn't win at the ballot box and decided to make common cause with neo-nazis? What about it?
Mexican workers didn't bring you NAFTA, the Clintons did. I blame the people responsible, rather than another race/ethnicity. Then of course there's the slight matter of NAFTA putting far more Mexican farmers out of work than were employed in offshored car parts factories.
But you are same reactions on any H1B1 visa story. Does this make you racist as well?
No. Because I don't blame the H1B holders. I blame corporations and their sycophants in government for conspiring to increase the size of the labor pool (and thus force down wages) for the sole benefit of corporate quarterly profits. The difference is not negligible, its the size of the Grand Canyon.
Fuck you, American Exceptionalist. On its very best day, the United States is a thousand times worse than the worst caricature of Russia you mindless red baiting sycophants can imagine.
Putin isn't drone bombing entire extended families to death with robot planes on the other side of the world from him, in Costa Rica, the way America has in the Middle East for bullshit reasons.
Putin didn't maintain a worldwide kidnapping and torture program that beat at least 100 people to death and continues to keep others imprisoned a decade after they've been cleared for release, the the way America has with Gitmo.
Putin hasn't overthrown two democracies in his (longer) time in office the way Obama has.
I could go on all day, as the worst terrorist state in the world, and the word's worst purveyor and provocateur of violence, is the United States of America.
Thank you for showing your true colors. Justifying illegal behavior by citing other allegedly illegal/immoral acts is a slippery slope
Didn't spend much time thinking about that before clicking Submit, did we? You want to a be a legalist/moralist, then demand your taxes be raised to pay for reparations and that politicians be held accountable for their crimes against humanity, committed against every. single. country. south of the U.S. border with Mexico. The victims of the Monroe Doctrine are morally owed a green card at the border, no questions asked, with a fast path to citizenship. That's chump change next to real justice - so you fools can pay up, or STFU.
No nation is perfect, but the ones that respect civil rights
Which ones would that be, Slick? Certainly not the United States, that ran a goddamned kidnapping and torture program under Bush, that beat at least 100 people to death, that we know of. That's like praising OJ Simpson and Ted Bundy for their respect for women.
Your tax dollars have directly paid for boy fucking on military bases. Tell me again how much you respect civil rights when your tax dollars have directly supported fucking pubescent and pre-pubescent boys. In the ass. Repeatedly. Or how at the same time it was whipping Americans into wetting their beds at the site of journalists being beheaded by ISIS, it was selling billions in weapons to the beheading capital of the world, Saudi Arabia. Who has beheaded people for sorcery. And that's a percentage of a portion of the cliff notes on America's human rights violations - want to talk about the millions killed in bullshit wars over just the last 15 years?
Or, you could stop being a willfully ignorant (white) American Exceptionalist, and watch your IQ go up by 200 points on the spot. Of course, you're starting from quite the hole in the ground, boy fucker. so that might get you up to 90.
Actually, there's plenty of evidence. NPR had a piece recently which you can listen to at http://www.npr.org/sections/al..., They found a guy, actually a Hillary voter
So, not a Russian then. And it was known many months ago that David Brock was hiring people to troll on Hillary's behalf.
Al Franken. And of course the presidential race in 2000, if there had been a full statewide recount.*
*Since this site is crawling with wingnuts, no, I did not stutter. A full recount of the votes in Florida put Gore in the lead under any scenario. No, the link you're pulling up right now is not about a full. state. wide. recount, but a county-based one. No, it doesn't matter that that's what Gore first asked for, as he was following Florida law, which allowed recounts by county but didn't lay out one for the state, and they started with the counties with the highest number of errors. Full recount == President Gore.
...at any time. There is no evidence that Russia did anything whatsoever to influence this election, just assertions from the same people that told you that Saddam had dies to Al Queda and had a nuclear weapons program in 2002. This is asinine for two more reasons as well:
1) The idiots pushing this story tend to be the same sort of person who scream and sneer that you're a conspiracy theorist for suspecting Saudi involvement with 911, that the OWS crackdown was federally coordinated, that the DNC conspired with the Hillary campaign to ratfuck Sanders...until information is leaked that confirms those "theories". At which point STFU because it's old news.
2) The United States has been in the business of trying to spy on the communications of every person on the planet. As 911, the anthrax attacks, and the Boston Marathon bombing show, it's completely worthless in its advertised function - catching terrorist attacks before they happen. It would, however, be a great system if you want to engage in the exact sort of influencing of politics and elections that the U.S. is accusing Russia of doing.
Lets be real here. Under Obama, the United States has been willing to murder American teenagers with drones, bomb hospitals, start wars without Congressional authorization, and overthrow democracies - and you think they're just sitting on all this illicit information that could be used to discredit or blackmail people it doesn't like?
You mean the California that was stolen in an war of aggression and then decimated with genocide?
It is simply grotesque for the descendants of European invaders to sneer at the descendants of native inhabitants as "illegals". Then, there isn't a single country south of the border that hasn't been fucked over by the United States. Over and over and over and over and over and over again. Real justice would mean increasing your taxes to pay trillions in restitution to every country from Mexico to Chile, and extraditing every living president and official from the CIA (and it's PR wing, the State Department) to face multiple lifetime sentences in prison.
So STFU and let Jorge cross the border, since his parents were murdered by a Reagan-backed death squad. Let Miguel work at a car wash, as you bankrupted his family farm with NAFTA and then turned his province into a war zone with your war on poor drug users. Margarita fled the U.S. backed junta in Honduras, so let her graduate from a goddamned public high school. And yes, you can let them all vote as well. Not that they're likely to try, though, as they don't want to draw attention from authorities - because they don't want to be swept up in one of Obama's all-time-high deportation waves.
Don't like it? Then start writing letters to your representatives, demanding that your taxes be jacked up into the stratosphere and that Obama be sent straight from the White House to a Honduran court house for arraignment on January 20th.
Basically ignoring the fact that Apple does not compete in every segment of the market, and then chugging Hatorade over it. I said equivalent products for equivalent prices for a reason. That Apple doesn't make a 6 lbs gaming laptop with SLI graphics cards does not mean their 15" laptop sucks. It means they don't have an equivalent product in that segment.
Standard-issue Hateboi selective comparison, more likely. Sure, your ASUS has a faster processor - and is two pounds heavier, or has a cheap display, or half the battery life, etc etc. SSDD.
No. I mean that US manufacturing output is at the highest level its ever been. Its up like 70% since NAFTA passed, and yet manufacturing employment is down 30% for the same time period.
That's:
1) Moving the goalposts from jobs to output 2) Misleading as the population has grown 25% since NAFTA passed 3) Bad logic
The addition of ~60 million people to the workforce makes your 70% number more impressive while downplaying the number of jobs lost. As for the logic....the population of Chicago is also higher now than it was in '94. Therefore, no one has been killed in Chicago since '94.
Sure there are some decent jobs in mexico and some mostly shitty jobs in china. But, if they were forced to relocate to the US, that would be just the opportunity needed to build brand new factories with state of the art automation. So most of those jobs would just disappear into the machines. Mexico wouldn't have them anymore, but neither would the USA. Lose, lose.
Hand wave, hand wave. "Automation" isn't a magic word corporations may intone and suddenly replace all their people with robot assembly lines and 3d printers. Otherwise every McDonalds would just be a big RedBox that you get your McMuffins from, with a single employee restocking its supplies.
A lot of people felt physically ill when Trump won, so I imagine she was in a pretty bad place. I mean, it must have been exhausting, and to loose at the last hurdle because of a bullshit FBI investigation to a guy who doesn't even know what truth is... If it was a TV show I wouldn't believe it.
The only bullshit from the FBI was them sending a sailor to prison for taking selfies of secured area on his unsecured, unauthorized cell phone while at the same time giving Hillary a free pass for her infinitely greater amounts of information on her unsecured, unauthorized email server.
And that's even without the obstruction of justice charges that she should have faced for deleting 30,000 emails, again without authorization.
that's specifically promoted by Republicans because it depresses turnout for young progressives who don't realize that there is a huge chasm of difference between the candidates.
Because there isn't one, specifically. I think it was Howard Zinn that has a quote to the effect that U.S. politics is a 'spirited debate within an incredible narrow range of views'. There were just as many differences between Donald Trump and Jeb Bush as Trump and Hillary. All three were corrupt corporatist warmongering hacks, though.
Tip: Diebold doesn't technically exist any more. If you invoke their name in these discussions it, uh, doesn't make you sound like you know what you're talking about. Though I realize you said et al.
Tip: that's a pedantic distinction without a difference, no different than complaining that there isn't a company called Blackwater any more. The problem remains unchanged, as does the corporate welfare and potential for corruption.
Let's also require proof of citizenship for voter registration, and require proper identification to cast a vote.
Two utterly unjustifiable positions. In person vote fraud is on the order of 30 votes out of a billion cast, functionally non-existent. Your top ten "list" is really a list of top ten false equivalencies. Because voting is a right and you don't have to show ID to maintain your rights.
You don't have to show ID to enter a church.
You don't have to show ID to have the freedom of association.
You don't have to show ID not to be tortured by the state.
You don't have to show ID to have the right to an attorney. I could keep going but you get the idea.
You don't have to show ID to maintain your rights.
But but but the 2nd Amendment, you'll say. Then I invite you to read the first sentence of said amendment and get back to us.
Republicans have been for a long time calling for voter ID
Which is the real election fraud. Almost all the causes the voter ID fraudsters point to are actually cases of voter registration fraud, which is impossible to prevent with ID's. And almost all of the rest of the cases they can point to are cases of felons trying to vote, or someone voting in person as well as by absentee ballot - also not preventable by voter ID.
Mickey Mouse trying to vote in person is on the order of 30 votes out a billion cast, or functionally non-existent. Contrast that to 70,000 voters purged from the rolls in Florida, just in one state, in just one election in 2000.
voting machines to be made only in the US for US elections, and open source code that can be independently reviewed for security and accuracy, along with an online validation system that ties your voter ID to the vote
1) The hell the have 2) there goes your right to remain anonymous, genius.
It is the Democrats that are the party of criminals (8:1, look it up) the party of dead voters, the party of voter fraud, the party blah blah winger dumfuckery blah blah blather bullshit blah blah
No the Problem is the prisoners at Gitmo are civilian combatants, historically they would have received summary execution, no questions asked.
Pure batshit insane depravity with zero basis in reality.
They are not afforded the protections under the Geneva Conventions that a uniformed combatant of a nation state would receive, even if they were they would be held until belligerency has concluded are they have excepted an offered pardon.
This bullshit was idiotic weak sauce a decade and a half before Obama's crap excuses on Gitmo. The detainees are either accused criminals, or POW's, both of which have rights. There is no "third category" that allows you to debase and torture people.
So when do we send your dumb ass to a gulag, for your support of imperalistic crimes against humanity?
It was obvious that he really wanted to close that thing. Who knows exactly what he learned when he was office, but you could just see that combination of "frustration" and "defeat" in him when the topic came up afterwards.
This Obot propaganda was obviously false in 2009, much less now at the end of his presidency. The problem with Gitmo wasn't that it was an island prison. The problem with Gitmo was a system of lawless detention for prisoners held without rights. Obama had no intentions of ending that system, only to move it to a SuperMax in Illinois.
Which is why senators like Feingold voted against it. Next, you'll be telling us how "obvious" it was that Obama really did want to renegotiate NAFTA.
Mr Adams is not very observant. There was an article on Trump's dealing related to his casinos and he was not very rational in the way he went about making one deal.
Gotta be more rational than spending 6 years being investigated by a Republican Congress, then running a private email server as a public official, while there's a Republican Congress and you plan on running for president...
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You mean the western-backed coup against Ukraine's elected government, which was launched when the western, IMF austerity coalition couldn't win at the ballot box and decided to make common cause with neo-nazis? What about it?
Mexican workers didn't bring you NAFTA, the Clintons did. I blame the people responsible, rather than another race/ethnicity. Then of course there's the slight matter of NAFTA putting far more Mexican farmers out of work than were employed in offshored car parts factories.
No. Because I don't blame the H1B holders. I blame corporations and their sycophants in government for conspiring to increase the size of the labor pool (and thus force down wages) for the sole benefit of corporate quarterly profits. The difference is not negligible, its the size of the Grand Canyon.
Fuck you, American Exceptionalist. On its very best day, the United States is a thousand times worse than the worst caricature of Russia you mindless red baiting sycophants can imagine.
Putin isn't drone bombing entire extended families to death with robot planes on the other side of the world from him, in Costa Rica, the way America has in the Middle East for bullshit reasons.
Putin didn't maintain a worldwide kidnapping and torture program that beat at least 100 people to death and continues to keep others imprisoned a decade after they've been cleared for release, the the way America has with Gitmo.
Putin hasn't overthrown two democracies in his (longer) time in office the way Obama has.
I could go on all day, as the worst terrorist state in the world, and the word's worst purveyor and provocateur of violence, is the United States of America.
What about National Pentagon Radio?
Because Democrats are right-wing freakshows. Who refused to call torture, torture, amongst many other issues Next question?
Didn't spend much time thinking about that before clicking Submit, did we? You want to a be a legalist/moralist, then demand your taxes be raised to pay for reparations and that politicians be held accountable for their crimes against humanity, committed against every. single. country. south of the U.S. border with Mexico. The victims of the Monroe Doctrine are morally owed a green card at the border, no questions asked, with a fast path to citizenship. That's chump change next to real justice - so you fools can pay up, or STFU.
Which ones would that be, Slick? Certainly not the United States, that ran a goddamned kidnapping and torture program under Bush, that beat at least 100 people to death, that we know of. That's like praising OJ Simpson and Ted Bundy for their respect for women.
Your tax dollars have directly paid for boy fucking on military bases. Tell me again how much you respect civil rights when your tax dollars have directly supported fucking pubescent and pre-pubescent boys. In the ass. Repeatedly. Or how at the same time it was whipping Americans into wetting their beds at the site of journalists being beheaded by ISIS, it was selling billions in weapons to the beheading capital of the world, Saudi Arabia. Who has beheaded people for sorcery. And that's a percentage of a portion of the cliff notes on America's human rights violations - want to talk about the millions killed in bullshit wars over just the last 15 years?
Or, you could stop being a willfully ignorant (white) American Exceptionalist, and watch your IQ go up by 200 points on the spot. Of course, you're starting from quite the hole in the ground, boy fucker. so that might get you up to 90.
So, not a Russian then. And it was known many months ago that David Brock was hiring people to troll on Hillary's behalf.
Al Franken. And of course the presidential race in 2000, if there had been a full statewide recount.*
*Since this site is crawling with wingnuts, no, I did not stutter. A full recount of the votes in Florida put Gore in the lead under any scenario. No, the link you're pulling up right now is not about a full. state. wide. recount, but a county-based one. No, it doesn't matter that that's what Gore first asked for, as he was following Florida law, which allowed recounts by county but didn't lay out one for the state, and they started with the counties with the highest number of errors. Full recount == President Gore.
...at any time. There is no evidence that Russia did anything whatsoever to influence this election, just assertions from the same people that told you that Saddam had dies to Al Queda and had a nuclear weapons program in 2002. This is asinine for two more reasons as well:
1) The idiots pushing this story tend to be the same sort of person who scream and sneer that you're a conspiracy theorist for suspecting Saudi involvement with 911, that the OWS crackdown was federally coordinated, that the DNC conspired with the Hillary campaign to ratfuck Sanders...until information is leaked that confirms those "theories". At which point STFU because it's old news.
2) The United States has been in the business of trying to spy on the communications of every person on the planet. As 911, the anthrax attacks, and the Boston Marathon bombing show, it's completely worthless in its advertised function - catching terrorist attacks before they happen. It would, however, be a great system if you want to engage in the exact sort of influencing of politics and elections that the U.S. is accusing Russia of doing.
Lets be real here. Under Obama, the United States has been willing to murder American teenagers with drones, bomb hospitals, start wars without Congressional authorization, and overthrow democracies - and you think they're just sitting on all this illicit information that could be used to discredit or blackmail people it doesn't like?
You mean the California that was stolen in an war of aggression and then decimated with genocide?
It is simply grotesque for the descendants of European invaders to sneer at the descendants of native inhabitants as "illegals". Then, there isn't a single country south of the border that hasn't been fucked over by the United States. Over and over and over and over and over and over again. Real justice would mean increasing your taxes to pay trillions in restitution to every country from Mexico to Chile, and extraditing every living president and official from the CIA (and it's PR wing, the State Department) to face multiple lifetime sentences in prison.
So STFU and let Jorge cross the border, since his parents were murdered by a Reagan-backed death squad. Let Miguel work at a car wash, as you bankrupted his family farm with NAFTA and then turned his province into a war zone with your war on poor drug users. Margarita fled the U.S. backed junta in Honduras, so let her graduate from a goddamned public high school. And yes, you can let them all vote as well. Not that they're likely to try, though, as they don't want to draw attention from authorities - because they don't want to be swept up in one of Obama's all-time-high deportation waves.
Don't like it? Then start writing letters to your representatives, demanding that your taxes be jacked up into the stratosphere and that Obama be sent straight from the White House to a Honduran court house for arraignment on January 20th.
Basically ignoring the fact that Apple does not compete in every segment of the market, and then chugging Hatorade over it. I said equivalent products for equivalent prices for a reason. That Apple doesn't make a 6 lbs gaming laptop with SLI graphics cards does not mean their 15" laptop sucks. It means they don't have an equivalent product in that segment.
Standard-issue Hateboi selective comparison, more likely. Sure, your ASUS has a faster processor - and is two pounds heavier, or has a cheap display, or half the battery life, etc etc. SSDD.
You pay equivalent prices to get equivalent products from Apple's competitors, Hateboi. What Apple doesn't do is make $400 POS specials.
That's:
1) Moving the goalposts from jobs to output
2) Misleading as the population has grown 25% since NAFTA passed
3) Bad logic
The addition of ~60 million people to the workforce makes your 70% number more impressive while downplaying the number of jobs lost. As for the logic....the population of Chicago is also higher now than it was in '94. Therefore, no one has been killed in Chicago since '94.
Hand wave, hand wave. "Automation" isn't a magic word corporations may intone and suddenly replace all their people with robot assembly lines and 3d printers. Otherwise every McDonalds would just be a big RedBox that you get your McMuffins from, with a single employee restocking its supplies.
Other than opposing corporate trade agreements, which have eviscerated the blue collar workforce. So, no big thang at all...
So it's androids building car parts in Mexico and forging steel in Chinese factories - factory jobs that used to be in the U.S.?
Nope, that's racist.
A statement that is both a fact and non-racist. Why don't you leave it at that?
The only bullshit from the FBI was them sending a sailor to prison for taking selfies of secured area on his unsecured, unauthorized cell phone while at the same time giving Hillary a free pass for her infinitely greater amounts of information on her unsecured, unauthorized email server.
And that's even without the obstruction of justice charges that she should have faced for deleting 30,000 emails, again without authorization.
Because there isn't one, specifically. I think it was Howard Zinn that has a quote to the effect that U.S. politics is a 'spirited debate within an incredible narrow range of views'. There were just as many differences between Donald Trump and Jeb Bush as Trump and Hillary. All three were corrupt corporatist warmongering hacks, though.
Tip: that's a pedantic distinction without a difference, no different than complaining that there isn't a company called Blackwater any more. The problem remains unchanged, as does the corporate welfare and potential for corruption.
Two utterly unjustifiable positions. In person vote fraud is on the order of 30 votes out of a billion cast, functionally non-existent. Your top ten "list" is really a list of top ten false equivalencies. Because voting is a right and you don't have to show ID to maintain your rights.
You don't have to show ID to enter a church.
You don't have to show ID to have the freedom of association.
You don't have to show ID not to be tortured by the state.
You don't have to show ID to have the right to an attorney. I could keep going but you get the idea.
You don't have to show ID to maintain your rights.
But but but the 2nd Amendment, you'll say. Then I invite you to read the first sentence of said amendment and get back to us.
Which is the real election fraud. Almost all the causes the voter ID fraudsters point to are actually cases of voter registration fraud, which is impossible to prevent with ID's. And almost all of the rest of the cases they can point to are cases of felons trying to vote, or someone voting in person as well as by absentee ballot - also not preventable by voter ID.
Mickey Mouse trying to vote in person is on the order of 30 votes out a billion cast, or functionally non-existent. Contrast that to 70,000 voters purged from the rolls in Florida, just in one state, in just one election in 2000.
1) The hell the have 2) there goes your right to remain anonymous, genius.
You misspelled Republicans,, moran.
Pure batshit insane depravity with zero basis in reality.
This bullshit was idiotic weak sauce a decade and a half before Obama's crap excuses on Gitmo. The detainees are either accused criminals, or POW's, both of which have rights. There is no "third category" that allows you to debase and torture people.
So when do we send your dumb ass to a gulag, for your support of imperalistic crimes against humanity?
This Obot propaganda was obviously false in 2009, much less now at the end of his presidency. The problem with Gitmo wasn't that it was an island prison. The problem with Gitmo was a system of lawless detention for prisoners held without rights. Obama had no intentions of ending that system, only to move it to a SuperMax in Illinois.
Which is why senators like Feingold voted against it. Next, you'll be telling us how "obvious" it was that Obama really did want to renegotiate NAFTA.
You mean all those car parts in Mexico and electronics in China are being made by androids, not workers in factories?
Gotta be more rational than spending 6 years being investigated by a Republican Congress, then running a private email server as a public official, while there's a Republican Congress and you plan on running for president...