Obviously your political sensibilities are so much more finely tuned than mine are.
Finely tuned? More like remedial politics. Party labels have fuck-all to do with how liberal or conservative you are, it's your positions that define you. Here, I'll draw you a picture. With crayons:
Mike Bloomberg is a Republican. Mike Bloomberg supports gun control. Therefore, by your logic, being in favor of gun control makes you a conservative.
Obama signed the NDAA, which allows the military to detain you indefinitely on American soil without trial. Obama is a Democrat, therefore detention without trial is a liberal goal, by your logic.
But of course that's all bullshit. Hillary is defined by her positions, which makes her a hardcore right wing neoliberal neocon freakshow.
I'm wagering they'll be pushing to the Left of the party, looking for a younger Bernie Sanders type.
Nah - the corporate wing that dominates the Democratic party would rather lose to a Republican like Donald Trump than win with a Democrat like Bernie Sanders.
The same polls that predicted a Hillary landslide win under the current rules? Have you people learned nothing in the last fifteen months? The stupid on the left astounds me.
Another one? You're using that term, "the left". It does not mean whatever it is you think it means.
Because so many dems ASSUMED that she had already won, that they did not bother to show up.
No. They didn't show up because Hillary was a right-wing freakshow who assumed her base would show up and vote, no matter how many times they've been slapped in the face by party elites like herself.
I don't believe Manning qualifies as a whistle blower. (S)he just exposed a boatload of confidential documents with no clear purpose behind the action.
You know perfectly well what the purpose was: to expose the gross criminality and corruption of the USG. What else is funny, are the authoritarians saying whisteblowers need to be in jail because they broke the laaaaw, but DGAF about the lawbreaking revealed by said whisteblowers.
But this election they went in with a very clear goal of attacking Clinton by maximizing the political damage of whatever information they had.
That's just partisan whining. Wikileaks can only publish what they've been given, they can't materialize dirt on someone you don't like out of sheer force of will. It's also hypocrisy, as no one complaining about this was outraged at the violations of Trump's privacy from Anonymous, leaked tax returns or voice recordings.
The problem isn't so much how Manning leaked the documents, but how WikiLeaks messed up spectacularly afterwards.
Baseless tautology. Like the whining that Podesta's emails were hacked - the problem isn't the hack, the problem is that you're part of a grotesquely corrupt organization.
The US hasn't actually charged Assange with anything.
Nixon wasn't charged with anything, either - yet Ford pardoned him.
Obama can't pardon someone for crimes that don't exist; he also can't pardon someone on behalf of another country (Sweden).
Duh wut? Assange has been trapped in Ecuador's embassy because he doesn't want Sweden to hand him over to the United States to be prosecuted for espionage. Remedial knowledge of the subject, here. And yes, that's what Sweden's "prosecution" is really about - otherwise they would have interviewed him in the UK, or taken up Assange's offer to return to their country - if they promised not to hand him over to the U.S..
It makes every sense. Sweden has illegally assisted the United States rending people for torture. Sweden has refused Assange's offer to return to Sweden - if they promised not to extradite him.
So admit china is burning the world down, because jobs were shipped there to avoid putting in clean air scrubbers and clean emission factories in america. So lets blame america??? Welcome to Trump Land, drain the swamp and fix the system that would have fixed your pollution issues.
You blow off 4% of the population producing 25% of the world's pollution and then start going on about Trump? I find your lack of self-awareness disturbing.
Kneejerk, Hillbot butthurt does not an argument make. Trump has yet to help overthrow a single democracy, or create another Iraq-style failed state. As opposed to your right-wing freakshow candidate.
Picking allied governments to support for temporary utility is a valid strategy.
Using a talking point that completely and utterly contradicts your last talking point, outs you as a person who regurgitates any crap he hears from the same military industrial complex that sold you on Saddam's WMD's and ties to Al Queda. Get fooled once - eager to get fooled and fooled again.
So which is it? The United States is noble and just when it attacks dictatorships suppressing protests, or when it attacks protesters demonstrating dictatorships? Pick one.
Faggot realize the world doesn't work by your fantasy. American security requires global reach and action.
Says a bedwetting crybaby who doesn't realize no American has had to die to defend American soil since the war of 1812. And even that was for a war started by....America.
Go get some new plastic sheets, the ones you have right now are starting to stink.
Libya and Syria were civil revolts by subject populations against dictators
Try those excuses on some other planet where leaks have shown both countries were targeted for regime change before the 'Arab Spring'.
In Libya the western world organized and deposed a dictator as required.
As opposed to Bahrain, another dictatorship to...whom the United States sold weapons to, even as they were violently suppressing their own Arab Spring protests. So, you going to go on with this horseshit propaganda, or do we need to move on to Yemen, where the United States is again suppressing a popular revolt against a brutal dictatorship?
Who did she rape? Who has she sexually assaulted? It's not every criticism.
Thousand and thousands of people in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan Somalia, just for starters. War leads to rape, and Hillary has never seen an American war she didn't support to the hilt - even back in '68 she lost sleep over trying to talk her classmates out of protesting the Vietnam war.
Trump is a rat bastard and anyone who voted for him that knew what was coming if he got elected is a shitheel.
...as was anyone who voted for Hillary, who was more corrupt and a bigger warmonger than Trump could ever be. See Truman's quote on voters choosing the real Republican over the not-so-fake-in-this-instance Republican every time.
And if you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Ohio I'd love to sell you at a cheap rate.
No. It's because she was the candidate of NAFTA and the TPP, which have been (and will be) devastating to Ohio. Don't cast about for arcane excuses when the truth is right in front of you.
This is in a context of an Obama administration policy to undermine the Russian gas monopoly in Europe, which is potentially destabilizing.
Typical batshit insane, cuckoo cocoa puffs inversion of reality from an American Excpetionalist. It was the United States that spent billions subverting the democratically elected government of Ukraine, not Russia. It was Russia that offered Ukraine cheap natural gas and a low interest loan - it was the United States that wanted to herd the country into an economy-crushing IMF loan at high interest rates, requiring them to sell off public assets to the lowest bidder.
Also oil production has increased dramatically under Obama as well. This year the US became a net exporter of energy for the first time since 1957.
Like I said, a bigger oil man than Bush and Cheney combined.
It's not that the Obama administration wants the world to burn more fossil fuels, but it doesn't want Europe dancing on a Russian string either.
No. It wants it dancing on an American string built out of willful ignorance and the same MIC propaganda that any second grader should be able to call bullshit on. Yet you're buying it hook, line and sinker.
Knowing a lot of people in the US oil industry, at low and at very high levels, I have a different viewpoint based on what I've heard from them
No doubt you have. Conservatives have deep dislike of the Clintons - despite the Clinton's having passed the trade deals, deregulation, and gutting of welfare that Reagan could have only dreamed of.
So we are drilling all over the place -- right now. That's not the challenge. That's not the problem. In fact, the problem in a place like Cushing is that we're actually producing so much oil and gas in places like North Dakota and Colorado that we don't have enough pipeline capacity to transport all of it to where it needs to go -- both to refineries, and then, eventually, all across the country and around the world. Thereâ(TM)s a bottleneck right here because we canâ(TM)t get enough of the oil to our refineries fast enough. And if we could, then we would be able to increase our oil supplies at a time when they're needed as much as possible.
One day, you will have to look at the world around you and realize that a large portion of the current problems were not made by a woman that isn't the President.
1) Policies that were 110% endorsed by the woman who ran for president
2) You can't give Hillary credit for her time as FLOTUS and say she had no role in the shitty policies of Bill Clinton (which again, she campaigned for)
Sorry, not everyone is a willfully blind partisan tribalist such as yourself. Obama has run around bragging about how the United States has been drilling oil at a faster rate than it has the capacity to transport: fact. It was Obama, not Bush, that opened the eastern seaboard to offshore drilling: fact. Hillary spent her time as SoS as an advocate for fracking: fact.
You wanna talk Trump's racism? Let's talk about Hillary, Superpredators, and wanting to deport latino kids (fleeing from a junta she supported) to "send a message to their parents'. You wanna talk Trump's shady business deals? Let's talk Clinton Foundation and pay-to-play. I could go on all night, so take out your dentures and go the fuck to bed, grandpa, before you embarrass yourself further.
Except that she would have appointed an environmental expert to the position and not a guy with his head up his ass.
Yes, an environmental expert....from Exxon. Why you guys even debate the subject, after leaks show Hillary describing the necessity of having 'a public position, and then a private position' on every issue is beyond me.
Lefty platitudes (occasionally) while adopting Republican policies - the Democratic Moonwalk since January of 1993.
She exported fracking the world as Secretary of State. She waged war on Libya and Syria to keep the supply of energy moving. She was going to continue in the fine tradition of Obama - who was a bigger oil man than Bush and Cheney combined.
That's the problem with all the whining and bitching from Dems and the media, before the election, now, and after Trump takes the oath of office - every criticism you can make of Trump applies to Hillary Clinton, as much if not more so. The only "difference" here is that Hillary would utter the occasional platitude that we need to do something about climate change, while continuing to drill for more and more oil, and mine for more and more coal.
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Finely tuned? More like remedial politics. Party labels have fuck-all to do with how liberal or conservative you are, it's your positions that define you. Here, I'll draw you a picture. With crayons:
But of course that's all bullshit. Hillary is defined by her positions, which makes her a hardcore right wing neoliberal neocon freakshow.
Nah - the corporate wing that dominates the Democratic party would rather lose to a Republican like Donald Trump than win with a Democrat like Bernie Sanders.
Another one? You're using that term, "the left". It does not mean whatever it is you think it means.
What "left"? Hillary was a right-wing freakshow - just ask all the Bush neocons that endorsed her.
No. They didn't show up because Hillary was a right-wing freakshow who assumed her base would show up and vote, no matter how many times they've been slapped in the face by party elites like herself.
You know perfectly well what the purpose was: to expose the gross criminality and corruption of the USG. What else is funny, are the authoritarians saying whisteblowers need to be in jail because they broke the laaaaw, but DGAF about the lawbreaking revealed by said whisteblowers.
That's just partisan whining. Wikileaks can only publish what they've been given, they can't materialize dirt on someone you don't like out of sheer force of will. It's also hypocrisy, as no one complaining about this was outraged at the violations of Trump's privacy from Anonymous, leaked tax returns or voice recordings.
Baseless tautology. Like the whining that Podesta's emails were hacked - the problem isn't the hack, the problem is that you're part of a grotesquely corrupt organization.
Nixon wasn't charged with anything, either - yet Ford pardoned him.
Duh wut? Assange has been trapped in Ecuador's embassy because he doesn't want Sweden to hand him over to the United States to be prosecuted for espionage. Remedial knowledge of the subject, here. And yes, that's what Sweden's "prosecution" is really about - otherwise they would have interviewed him in the UK, or taken up Assange's offer to return to their country - if they promised not to hand him over to the U.S..
It makes every sense. Sweden has illegally assisted the United States rending people for torture. Sweden has refused Assange's offer to return to Sweden - if they promised not to extradite him.
You blow off 4% of the population producing 25% of the world's pollution and then start going on about Trump? I find your lack of self-awareness disturbing.
1) You can't buy electronics that aren't made in China
2) You wont see me blaming Chinese people for it
Don't be a fucking dumbass, AC.
Kneejerk, Hillbot butthurt does not an argument make. Trump has yet to help overthrow a single democracy, or create another Iraq-style failed state. As opposed to your right-wing freakshow candidate.
Non sequitur.
Using a talking point that completely and utterly contradicts your last talking point, outs you as a person who regurgitates any crap he hears from the same military industrial complex that sold you on Saddam's WMD's and ties to Al Queda. Get fooled once - eager to get fooled and fooled again.
So which is it? The United States is noble and just when it attacks dictatorships suppressing protests, or when it attacks protesters demonstrating dictatorships? Pick one.
You first, moran:
Hillary Clinton Tried to Push Fracking on Other Nations When She Was Secretary of State, New Emails Reveal.
Says a bedwetting crybaby who doesn't realize no American has had to die to defend American soil since the war of 1812. And even that was for a war started by....America.
Go get some new plastic sheets, the ones you have right now are starting to stink.
Try those excuses on some other planet where leaks have shown both countries were targeted for regime change before the 'Arab Spring'.
As opposed to Bahrain, another dictatorship to...whom the United States sold weapons to, even as they were violently suppressing their own Arab Spring protests. So, you going to go on with this horseshit propaganda, or do we need to move on to Yemen, where the United States is again suppressing a popular revolt against a brutal dictatorship?
Thousand and thousands of people in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan Somalia, just for starters. War leads to rape, and Hillary has never seen an American war she didn't support to the hilt - even back in '68 she lost sleep over trying to talk her classmates out of protesting the Vietnam war.
And if you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Ohio I'd love to sell you at a cheap rate.
No. It's because she was the candidate of NAFTA and the TPP, which have been (and will be) devastating to Ohio. Don't cast about for arcane excuses when the truth is right in front of you.
Typical batshit insane, cuckoo cocoa puffs inversion of reality from an American Excpetionalist. It was the United States that spent billions subverting the democratically elected government of Ukraine, not Russia. It was Russia that offered Ukraine cheap natural gas and a low interest loan - it was the United States that wanted to herd the country into an economy-crushing IMF loan at high interest rates, requiring them to sell off public assets to the lowest bidder.
Like I said, a bigger oil man than Bush and Cheney combined.
No. It wants it dancing on an American string built out of willful ignorance and the same MIC propaganda that any second grader should be able to call bullshit on. Yet you're buying it hook, line and sinker.
No doubt you have. Conservatives have deep dislike of the Clintons - despite the Clinton's having passed the trade deals, deregulation, and gutting of welfare that Reagan could have only dreamed of.
Bragging about drilling faster than our capacity to transport - from the White House web site itself:
Obama administration approves sonic cannons, reopening US Eastern Seaboard to oil exploration
Hillary Clinton Tried to Push Fracking on Other Nations When She Was Secretary of State, New Emails Reveal
1) Policies that were 110% endorsed by the woman who ran for president
2) You can't give Hillary credit for her time as FLOTUS and say she had no role in the shitty policies of Bill Clinton (which again, she campaigned for)
Give it up, Hillbot.
Sorry, not everyone is a willfully blind partisan tribalist such as yourself. Obama has run around bragging about how the United States has been drilling oil at a faster rate than it has the capacity to transport: fact. It was Obama, not Bush, that opened the eastern seaboard to offshore drilling: fact. Hillary spent her time as SoS as an advocate for fracking: fact.
You wanna talk Trump's racism? Let's talk about Hillary, Superpredators, and wanting to deport latino kids (fleeing from a junta she supported) to "send a message to their parents'. You wanna talk Trump's shady business deals? Let's talk Clinton Foundation and pay-to-play. I could go on all night, so take out your dentures and go the fuck to bed, grandpa, before you embarrass yourself further.
Yes, an environmental expert....from Exxon. Why you guys even debate the subject, after leaks show Hillary describing the necessity of having 'a public position, and then a private position' on every issue is beyond me.
Lefty platitudes (occasionally) while adopting Republican policies - the Democratic Moonwalk since January of 1993.
She exported fracking the world as Secretary of State. She waged war on Libya and Syria to keep the supply of energy moving. She was going to continue in the fine tradition of Obama - who was a bigger oil man than Bush and Cheney combined.
That's the problem with all the whining and bitching from Dems and the media, before the election, now, and after Trump takes the oath of office - every criticism you can make of Trump applies to Hillary Clinton, as much if not more so. The only "difference" here is that Hillary would utter the occasional platitude that we need to do something about climate change, while continuing to drill for more and more oil, and mine for more and more coal.