I was alive in the 70's when the great ice age was coming, but you never hear about that either:-)
You mean when you started making shit up? Repeating Big Lies - in this case the global cooling myth - doesn't make them true. It just makes you a bigger liar.
We have had cool periods and warm periods, not caused by people. Do we know enough about why they happened that research is not needed? If so, that should be all the explanation anyone needs. If not, it sounds like it should be studied.
Should we also ask if physicists have studied algebra, or if electrical engineers have studied alternating current?
lol, you mean like claiming a "consensus" on a specific conclusion and then continually changing your models to ensure all the non-matching data continues to match your chosen conclusion?
Lol, you mean any excuse to whip out that confirmation bias. The recent skull fragments found in Georgia are having anthropologists re-examine theories on when human species moved out of Africa and diverged. I'm sure there are some creationists who are seizing on that as the latest reason why evolution is a hoax and the scientists are crackpots for revising models based on new data.
Yeah, we do. Drought makes for famine. Hot wet air makes for more powerful tornadoes and tropical storms. That means death.
The world has in fact been hotter, and colder and we still exist.
And people still live in Europe, despite the Bubonic Plague wiping out half the population hundreds of years ago. Therefore, the Bubonic Plague was no big deal, and would be no big deal if it happens again.
Could we get a smarter denialist troll to aisle 6, please?
As I understand it, the word "deniers" in this context means "anyone who questions the official 'consensus' position on CAGW".
It means people who deny the science. So called "skeptics" aren't offering their own peer-reviewed models or data, they are denying the peer revewied models and data because it conflicts with their pre-concieved ideas.
And I doubt it is a coincidence that "deniers" is part of the famous phrase "Holocaust Deniers"... it's a great way to tar the opposition subtly and, pardon the pun, deniably.
It's great pass-aggressive shitbaggery, you mean, since this Holocaust link only exists in denailists minds so they can pretend to be insulted.
Well, with my ground prepared, I am now ready to explain my counter-position to you. It is: Fuck you, you fucking douchebag. Science is a debate of ideas, and you just outright said that you want to crush part of the debate and not let it be heard.
Or, go fuck yourself, since the rest of your post is nothing more than denalist canards that have been debunked over and over again.
So they're "serfs" for feeding on hosts? Moralized shell games don't hide the hypocritical parasitism.
So you're an elitist who has no problem with one's standard of living being overwhelmingly dictated by who your parents are?
Venture capital and the risk entailed creates jobs.
False. Venture capitalists chase demand, which is what creates jobs. With no demand you have no market for your product, which means you have no need to hire workers.
Your average grunt is an sniveling idiot, which is easily verifiable by most any poll on anything.
Thanks for making it crystal that you play for Team Elitist Shitbag.
they claim they're owed the whole fucking company, which they don't even comprehend. Funny who's claiming entitlement here
There is no greater entitlement than an elitist who thinks his company runs on him, or that his standard of living is independent of the society in which he lives.
So let me get this straight, I am obligated to pay for YOU... forced... at gun point to pay for whatever you want... Or YOU claim that YOU are the serf?
Where you dropped on the head as a child? Yes, I am forced to pay for the sidewalk that goes past your house, whether I like to or not.
You're a retard. End of discussion. You're either too stupid or too dishonest or too crazy to have this discussion.
I don't know which is cuter, your lack of self-awareness or your projection.
Ad hominem attacks. I'm not a right winger. I'm a Libertarian.
Your butthurt is noted, because Libertarians are right wingers. Whatever you gain in opposing prohibition or drone wars you more than make up for in opposing any attempts to make people more important than corporate profits.
You'll note that in Canada and Mexico people are opting for private insurance precisely because the government run single-payer system is frequently not covering these costs.
What I said the first time: you'd be rattling off how this single payer country doesn't cover cancer treatments, and that one doesn't cover organ transplants. You don't because you can't. Rich people paying more because they can doesn't cut it.
They save your life and then you go bankrupt, precisely as I said. You're the one who is lying.
You're so far off base you're off planet. Emergency care is not continuing care. People, like diabetics, need continuing care to survive. This isn't rocket science. And, there's the triffling fact that the ER is the most expensive medical care you can possibly get.
And they don't harass you forever. Once you declare bankruptcy, the bill is absolved.
Your ignorance of the debt collection industry is not my problem. The hospital doesn't have to be an unscrupulous entity that ignores the law, the agency that buys the debt from said hospital takes care of that.
You mean like the President
Like I said, right wingers.
who repeatedly said he wants a single-payer system
Ignorance or sophistry? He said that a long time ago when he was a state senator. As a presidential candidate he kicked single payer to the curb, with the nonsense about 'designing a system from scratch'. As president, he dishonestly talked about how "any bill I sign must contain a public option" months after he had already traded it away to the hospital lobby.
What he describes exists in Canada and Mexico, where only the rich get the best care.
You're trying to have your own set of facts to go with your opinion, again. Otherwise known as lying, because otherwise you'd be talking about how those people are spending more money for worse care. You aren't because you can't.
Sorry, but you are confused. Progressive lobbyists helped the Democrats write that bill. Republicans had nothing to do with it. (Are you going to call the President of the Center For American Progress* (a fellow "progressive") a liar when she claims credit for her work?
Sorry, repeating Big Lies doesn't make them true, it just makes you a bigger and more pathetic liar. The mandate has been a Republican idea for decades, and that's just a fact you'll have to deal with. As well as Romneycare literally being the inspiration for Obamacare. You'll have to deal with that as well.
Are you going to claim with a straight face that the progressive (not to be confused with Obamabots) position was the mandate? This on some planet where progressives didn't want single payer, and then the public option as a compromise?
That would be difficult for you to do since I'm simply relying on the facts.
A bigger and more pathetic liar. Heritage had no problem with Romneycare, for years. Pretending their about-face has nothing to with partisan politics is as absurd as pretending that Obama's election had nothing to do with anti-war Democrats turning into supporters of drones in January 2009.
Sounds like one of the annual half dozen food recalls for e-coli here in the US, Captain Anecdote.
Really? Cholera reportedly kills 15, sickens hundreds in eastern Cuba [miamiherald.com]
States constitutionally are granted more power in this area than the federal government is. So it is quite constitutional for Massachusetts to have Obamacare, but not the federal government because of this separation of powers.
Still a Republican plan, and was pushed nationally by Republicans in the 90's. Republicans only turned against it because
1) Any successes would be credited to the Democrats 2) Republicans can reap the voter backlash from the mandate
It doesn't matter that the mandate was their idea, they wont be the ones who voted it into law. The only good thing about Obomneycare is that it's an easy way to find out if someone is a tribalist partisan hack.
Actually, you are full of bullshit. I can name you a country right now. My girlfriend moved here from Russia. Her mother needed dialysis.
Not only is your argument dependent on an anecdote, which means you already lost, but it's a idiotic anecdote. Like there aren't innumerable clinics and hospitals that don't offer xyz treatment in the United States and tell patients they have to drive to the next hospital to get that treatment, if they can afford to do so. Your girlfriend's mother was told the same thing.
Now, to get back to actual point, you'd be rattling off how this single payer country doesn't cover cancer treatments, and country doesn't cover organ transplants. You don't because you can't.
And if he talked to Tea Party people about wanting to change the schools, they would realize that they need to break the union stranglehold to make any real changes that either of them wants.
You guys really have constructed this alternate reality to match your ideology, haven't you? Unions have nothing to do with unequal school funding and do nothing to prevent teachers from being fired with cause.
If General Welfare doesn't cover Social Security since it's not spelled out in Congress's list of powers in Section 8, then neither does Common Defense cover the Air Force, because it's not a part of the Army or the Navy.
Overall, Tea Party member are brain dead political hacks and pathological liars.
FTFY. Teabaggers napped through every issue they complain about during the Bush years, only to start tearing their hair out when the other guy was doing it. The mirror image of Obamabots, who tore their hair out when it was Bush tapping phones and starting wars but went to sleep when it was their guy doing it.
The Tea Party gets press every week.
Yes, the biased conservative media, which gave more press to 200 teabaggers showing up with "keep your government hands off my Medicare" signs than to 200,000 Iraq protesters.
Remember those "occupy" guys - yeah, neither does the press. There's a reason for that.
Yeah, see above. That and it wasn't the teabagger protests getting broken up in joint operations between police and the FBI, with the latter planning on shooting people in the head if necessary.
Regardless, the occupoopers showed they had no actual political power, and could be dismissed out of hand. The Tea Party won several primaries against GOP incumbents and a few elections.
No power? The full might of the political and media establishment was united behind the Catfood Commission and the push for austerity, and OWS was what derailed that little plan. The wisdom of OWS is that it didn't allow itself to be sucked into electoral politics, to be made useful idiots for the Democratic Party.
Like how the teabaggers are nothing more than useful idiots for the Republican Party. You guys should move to an island and fight it out with the other faction of brain dead political hacks, Obamabots.
Well, Stephen, if you make $30k a year, I'd bet your taxes are low. Others are not.
What "others" would those be? Not the vulture capitalists paying a lower tax rate than Stephen despite adding on four or more zeroes to his salary, or even the everyday millionaires who see their taxable SS income capped at $133k.
Fundamentally incorrect. Just because a technology improves does not mean the Constitution prevents its implementation. However, I challenge anyone to find Social Security in the Constitution.
Fundamentally busted for hackery. If General Welfare doesn't cover Social Security since it's not spelled out in Congress's list of powers in Section 8, then neither does Common Defense cover the Air Force, because it's not a part of the Army or the Navy.
Pedantry? No, it's showing Tenthers to be the bunch of hacks that they are. If Section 8 is a strict list of Congressional powers, and Social Security is unconstitutional because it's not on that list, then so is the Air Force. Because it's not a part of either the Army or the Navy.
Mainly because we've spent almost every year of our nations existence involved in some armed conflict or another, so we've never had the occasion for the military to disband after two years of peace.
Which were all imperialistic wars of choice, with only a very few exceptions. That you can count on one hand. That's missing a few fingers.
Everyone knows that the Tea party is a bunch of comic, laughable clowns with no grounding in reality.
Because....they are? To be a teabagger means to be a brain dead partisan hack, since all the things they complain about weren't a problem for them before Democrats came into power.
They're the flipside of the Obamabots, who hated drones and war crimes and warrantless wiretapping and the Unitary Executive, right up until January 2009. Now, all those things are awesome, now that it's their guy doing it.
So what? The unions own the schools, the kids, and the politicians. There's nothing you can do about it.
There's nothing in your little rant that has anything to do with school funding. Or anything to do with reality, for that matter, given the bipartisan war on public schools.
Talk to your local Tea Partier about that. Maybe you'll find out you have an opponent in common.
LAMO. If somebody showed up at teabagger event arguing for equal school funding, and higher taxes to pay for it, he'd be tarred and feathered on the spot.
The most in need were those who couldn't get or weren't covered, those people are helped.
How is it helping them when they need health care but are forced to first buy insurance instead? Candidate Obama had this right when he was first running for office. People aren't getting health care because they don't have the money. If mandates are a solution to the problem, why not mandate the homeless to buy homes.
And what's with this bullshit of calling Romneycare a "Republican plan"?
You bullshit. It's the same plan the GOP has been pushing since Heritage Foundation came up with it as an alternative to what the Democrats were pushing in the early 90's.
Republican Herbert Walker Bush ran on it in '92.
Republican Robert Dole ran on it in '96.
Republican Mitt Romney finally signed it into law in 2006.
But when a Democrat signs on, you guys all of a sudden lose your minds (insert Joker meme here). Good news everyone, gun control is now a Republican issue, because Mike Bloomberg supports it!
Shorter version: if you can't afford to pay, go die quietly in the street like the good little serf that you are. It's your fucking fault your last name isn't Walton, or that you
1. Even if we stripped the military budget to zero it wouldn't pay for your entitlements.
If Britain is like the U.S., and their advertized war budget is half of what it actually is, the U.K. could slash their own war spending, pay for the entire UHS budget and still be one of the more heavily armed countries on the planet.
2. As to eating the rich, there are several problems with this little idea of yours. For one, even if you took all their money it still wouldn't pay for your entitlements. There isn't enough. What is more, you confuse wealth with income. If you confiscate their wealth you'll be eating the goose that lays the golden eggs. You'll eat well for a day. And starve there after.
Shorter version: the usual "job creator" bullshit. Rich people don't create jobs. Demand does. Funny how working stiffs have to work hard at crappy jobs even though they pay crappy money, but we just couldn't find CEO's to do the job unless they make in one year what would take their employees hundreds of years to earn.
What happens if we taxed the richest people at Eisenhower tax rates? They'd still be the richest people in the country!
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You mean when you started making shit up? Repeating Big Lies - in this case the global cooling myth - doesn't make them true. It just makes you a bigger liar.
Should we also ask if physicists have studied algebra, or if electrical engineers have studied alternating current?
Lol, you mean any excuse to whip out that confirmation bias. The recent skull fragments found in Georgia are having anthropologists re-examine theories on when human species moved out of Africa and diverged. I'm sure there are some creationists who are seizing on that as the latest reason why evolution is a hoax and the scientists are crackpots for revising models based on new data.
Cuz that's what denialist crackpots do.
Problem: you could have 100% voter turnout and very little would change, because the game is rigged.
Yeah, we do. Drought makes for famine. Hot wet air makes for more powerful tornadoes and tropical storms. That means death.
And people still live in Europe, despite the Bubonic Plague wiping out half the population hundreds of years ago. Therefore, the Bubonic Plague was no big deal, and would be no big deal if it happens again.
Could we get a smarter denialist troll to aisle 6, please?
It means people who deny the science. So called "skeptics" aren't offering their own peer-reviewed models or data, they are denying the peer revewied models and data because it conflicts with their pre-concieved ideas.
It's great pass-aggressive shitbaggery, you mean, since this Holocaust link only exists in denailists minds so they can pretend to be insulted.
Or, go fuck yourself, since the rest of your post is nothing more than denalist canards that have been debunked over and over again.
So you're an elitist who has no problem with one's standard of living being overwhelmingly dictated by who your parents are?
False. Venture capitalists chase demand, which is what creates jobs. With no demand you have no market for your product, which means you have no need to hire workers.
Thanks for making it crystal that you play for Team Elitist Shitbag.
There is no greater entitlement than an elitist who thinks his company runs on him, or that his standard of living is independent of the society in which he lives.
Where you dropped on the head as a child? Yes, I am forced to pay for the sidewalk that goes past your house, whether I like to or not.
I don't know which is cuter, your lack of self-awareness or your projection.
Your butthurt is noted, because Libertarians are right wingers. Whatever you gain in opposing prohibition or drone wars you more than make up for in opposing any attempts to make people more important than corporate profits.
What I said the first time: you'd be rattling off how this single payer country doesn't cover cancer treatments, and that one doesn't cover organ transplants. You don't because you can't. Rich people paying more because they can doesn't cut it.
They save your life and then you go bankrupt, precisely as I said. You're the one who is lying.
You're so far off base you're off planet. Emergency care is not continuing care. People, like diabetics, need continuing care to survive. This isn't rocket science. And, there's the triffling fact that the ER is the most expensive medical care you can possibly get.
Your ignorance of the debt collection industry is not my problem. The hospital doesn't have to be an unscrupulous entity that ignores the law, the agency that buys the debt from said hospital takes care of that.
Like I said, right wingers.
Ignorance or sophistry? He said that a long time ago when he was a state senator. As a presidential candidate he kicked single payer to the curb, with the nonsense about 'designing a system from scratch'. As president, he dishonestly talked about how "any bill I sign must contain a public option" months after he had already traded it away to the hospital lobby.
You're trying to have your own set of facts to go with your opinion, again. Otherwise known as lying, because otherwise you'd be talking about how those people are spending more money for worse care. You aren't because you can't.
Sorry, repeating Big Lies doesn't make them true, it just makes you a bigger and more pathetic liar. The mandate has been a Republican idea for decades, and that's just a fact you'll have to deal with. As well as Romneycare literally being the inspiration for Obamacare. You'll have to deal with that as well.
Are you going to claim with a straight face that the progressive (not to be confused with Obamabots) position was the mandate? This on some planet where progressives didn't want single payer, and then the public option as a compromise?
A bigger and more pathetic liar. Heritage had no problem with Romneycare, for years. Pretending their about-face has nothing to with partisan politics is as absurd as pretending that Obama's election had nothing to do with anti-war Democrats turning into supporters of drones in January 2009.
Really, you can't read? Murika: ecoli sickens people in 5 states.
It's always been the Republican plan.
Still a Republican plan, and was pushed nationally by Republicans in the 90's. Republicans only turned against it because
1) Any successes would be credited to the Democrats
2) Republicans can reap the voter backlash from the mandate
It doesn't matter that the mandate was their idea, they wont be the ones who voted it into law. The only good thing about Obomneycare is that it's an easy way to find out if someone is a tribalist partisan hack.
Not only is your argument dependent on an anecdote, which means you already lost, but it's a idiotic anecdote. Like there aren't innumerable clinics and hospitals that don't offer xyz treatment in the United States and tell patients they have to drive to the next hospital to get that treatment, if they can afford to do so. Your girlfriend's mother was told the same thing.
Now, to get back to actual point, you'd be rattling off how this single payer country doesn't cover cancer treatments, and country doesn't cover organ transplants. You don't because you can't.
What's being willfully obtuse?
You guys really have constructed this alternate reality to match your ideology, haven't you? Unions have nothing to do with unequal school funding and do nothing to prevent teachers from being fired with cause.
Maybe it'll sink in the second time:
If General Welfare doesn't cover Social Security since it's not spelled out in Congress's list of powers in Section 8, then neither does Common Defense cover the Air Force, because it's not a part of the Army or the Navy.
Deal with it.
FTFY. Teabaggers napped through every issue they complain about during the Bush years, only to start tearing their hair out when the other guy was doing it. The mirror image of Obamabots, who tore their hair out when it was Bush tapping phones and starting wars but went to sleep when it was their guy doing it.
Yes, the biased conservative media, which gave more press to 200 teabaggers showing up with "keep your government hands off my Medicare" signs than to 200,000 Iraq protesters.
Yeah, see above. That and it wasn't the teabagger protests getting broken up in joint operations between police and the FBI, with the latter planning on shooting people in the head if necessary.
No power? The full might of the political and media establishment was united behind the Catfood Commission and the push for austerity, and OWS was what derailed that little plan. The wisdom of OWS is that it didn't allow itself to be sucked into electoral politics, to be made useful idiots for the Democratic Party.
Like how the teabaggers are nothing more than useful idiots for the Republican Party. You guys should move to an island and fight it out with the other faction of brain dead political hacks, Obamabots.
What "others" would those be? Not the vulture capitalists paying a lower tax rate than Stephen despite adding on four or more zeroes to his salary, or even the everyday millionaires who see their taxable SS income capped at $133k.
Fundamentally busted for hackery. If General Welfare doesn't cover Social Security since it's not spelled out in Congress's list of powers in Section 8, then neither does Common Defense cover the Air Force, because it's not a part of the Army or the Navy.
You can't have it both ways.
Pedantry? No, it's showing Tenthers to be the bunch of hacks that they are. If Section 8 is a strict list of Congressional powers, and Social Security is unconstitutional because it's not on that list, then so is the Air Force. Because it's not a part of either the Army or the Navy.
Which were all imperialistic wars of choice, with only a very few exceptions. That you can count on one hand. That's missing a few fingers.
Because....they are? To be a teabagger means to be a brain dead partisan hack, since all the things they complain about weren't a problem for them before Democrats came into power.
They're the flipside of the Obamabots, who hated drones and war crimes and warrantless wiretapping and the Unitary Executive, right up until January 2009. Now, all those things are awesome, now that it's their guy doing it.
No, that's capitalism. Socialism gives workers ownership of the means of production.
There's nothing in your little rant that has anything to do with school funding. Or anything to do with reality, for that matter, given the bipartisan war on public schools.
LAMO. If somebody showed up at teabagger event arguing for equal school funding, and higher taxes to pay for it, he'd be tarred and feathered on the spot.
How is it helping them when they need health care but are forced to first buy insurance instead? Candidate Obama had this right when he was first running for office. People aren't getting health care because they don't have the money. If mandates are a solution to the problem, why not mandate the homeless to buy homes.
You bullshit. It's the same plan the GOP has been pushing since Heritage Foundation came up with it as an alternative to what the Democrats were pushing in the early 90's.
Republican Herbert Walker Bush ran on it in '92.
Republican Robert Dole ran on it in '96.
Republican Mitt Romney finally signed it into law in 2006.
But when a Democrat signs on, you guys all of a sudden lose your minds (insert Joker meme here). Good news everyone, gun control is now a Republican issue, because Mike Bloomberg supports it!
Shorter version: if you can't afford to pay, go die quietly in the street like the good little serf that you are. It's your fucking fault your last name isn't Walton, or that you
If Britain is like the U.S., and their advertized war budget is half of what it actually is, the U.K. could slash their own war spending, pay for the entire UHS budget and still be one of the more heavily armed countries on the planet.
Shorter version: the usual "job creator" bullshit. Rich people don't create jobs. Demand does. Funny how working stiffs have to work hard at crappy jobs even though they pay crappy money, but we just couldn't find CEO's to do the job unless they make in one year what would take their employees hundreds of years to earn.
What happens if we taxed the richest people at Eisenhower tax rates? They'd still be the richest people in the country!