Well there is all the damage and dead bodies that resulted from throwing the info out there.
The ones that exist only in the minds of authoritarian tools full of poutrage? Nobody has been able to point to a single person being harmed by the release of the cables. As opposed to, you know, the millions who have either died or forced from their homes from America's false wars of choice.
But you're not calling for accountability for actual suffering from actual millions of people. Says a lot about your real priorities and motives....
Dec 19, 2010 The US vice-president, Joe Biden, today likened the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, to a "hi-tech terrorist", the strongest criticism yet from
Dec 5, 2010 This morning on Meet the Press, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell called Julian Assange a high tech terrorist for his role in publicly...
Although, I have to wonder what our response would be if this was the early 1940s, the US was fighting Germany and Japan, and a character named 'Assange' released a bunch of documents revealing the corruption, criminality and false flag operations from Axis powers, only for Assange to face persecution from those same Axis powers.
And yet the Pentagon has never been able to show a single instance where an "informant" or anyone else was hurt because of WikiLeaks.
But more to the point, where was all this Concern over human life when the U.S. was lying its way into multiple wars of choice that resulted in over a million deaths?
For Mr Manning this is very bad indeed.
According to the witch hunters, or those wanting to ignore the fact that Manning has done more to uphold his Oath of Office than those prosecuting him, if the allegations are correct?
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
US has no problem with WikiLeaks here, but with Jullian
Distinction without a difference.
who knowingly worked to release secret materials
Do did Daniel Ellsberg - of a much higher level of classification. So do the NYTimes and WaPo on a regular basis. But more to the point....so does the Obama Administration, when it's done to puff up Obama's image as much as a Mission Accomplished banner. You know, like simultaneously bragging about the effectiveness of the drone program and denying it exists because "it's classified".
However, It is interesting because if he was seriously considered a threat, he would be already in US, because of time in freedom he was in UK.
It's easier for the U.S. to get people extradited from Sweden than from the U.K. For one, the U.K. has a problem with the death penalty (something Assange could be charged with), whereas Sweden has let people be kidnapped so they could be tortured.
Furthermore, people think that Sweden is some liberal utopia because they have free health care and education. But their justice system doesn't operate by "guilty until proven innocent". They have Star Chambers and can keep suspects incommunicado for extended lengths of time.
This charge is actually more or less to prevent anyone with access to secret government/military networks in US to cooperate with WikiLeaks. For Good or for bad, but that's how any military would react.
Sure it is. But for one, just because something is commonplace doesn't mean it's okay (see: slavery), and for another, it's not what Obama promised when he was running for office in 2008, when he vowed to protect whistleblowers.
And freedom of speech - Jullian has it, tons - from outside, from inside, Jullian that, Jullian there, he even has live video stream with UN.
Whoosh. Yes, it's all about Julian, rather than the massive amounts of corruption revealed by Julian, WikiLeaks, and allegedly, by Bradley Manning. This is not an accident.
Show me another journalists or unfortunates who had problems with arrests and "enemy of the state" tags, for example, in Russia.
Obvious red herring is obvious. This is the same misdirection perfected by the Bushies, who tried to derail any conversation about their incompetence or criminality by talking about what a very very bad person Saddam was and how the world is a better place now that he's gone.
Except: the American taxpayer wasn't funding Saddam (after the Iran-Iraq war at least) anymore than they are supporting Putin in Russia. The American taxpayer has been supporting torture and illegal wars whether they like it or not.
No US government has closed any newspaper because they printed leaked material - in detail.
Not closed - but you find yourself closed off from the must-have "access" if you don't play ball. Or you might find yourself on a terror watch list or dealing petty harassment at the border, or some errant missile strikes if you are Al Jazeera.
Was Swedish situation just a coincidence or they really trying to extract him to US? Personally I don't think so. Any backslash it's not just worth it.
They're throwing out centuries of diplomatic policy by threatening to raid the Ecuadorian embassy or stop any diplomatic vehicle leaving it.
I'm getting tired of all this WikiLeaks BS. It supposed to be recover corruption, co
It's one thing to be pretty sure you know Obama is blocking accountability for torture, giving his "look forward not backward" BS and the lack of investigations.
It's another to see diplomatic cables strongarming Spain into dropping their criminal prosecution against Cheney et all.
This does not apply to packages, freight or parcels.
So FedEx doesn't send "First Class Mail". They send a package or parcel that happens to have pieces of paper in it. Could even post a picture of them doing just that if I hadn't thrown away last month's old mail.
You went to the same shitty school as the AC above you then? I'm not a fan of NCLB/Race To the Top, but in that case I hope that school has been closed and replaced with something less incompetent.
If you are a US Citizen, you should be deeply, deeply ashamed of yourself. Your right to vote should be revoked since you know so little about your country.
The United States Constitution, Article 1, Section 8 grants Congress the exclusive power to establish a postal service. There can be no other postal service without the approval of Congress, and so far they haven't approved any.
Except that's not true. The Constitution does give Congress the power "To establish Post Offices and post Roads", but the world exclusive is nowhere to be found. A competing postal service is no more unconstitutional than privately owned highways, of which there are hundreds in the US.
You picked a terrible example. The United States Post Office loses billions of dollars every quarter.
You picked a terrible example. The USPS is only "losing" money because Republicans passed a law requiring them to fully fund their pensions 75 years in advance. As in for employees who haven't even been born yet.
No other entity, private or public, faces that requirement. Of course they'd be in trouble in a competitive market - so would FedEx or UPS.
No it isn't. The existence of a Constitutional authorization to establish a postal service does not extend to...well, to anything other than a postal service. I'm not against public Internet service, but I AM against letting Congress do things without the proper authority. We have too much of that as it is.
So you're out regularly protesting your nearest Air Force base, right? Since Congress "only" has the authority under the Constitution to fund an Army and a Navy....
Congress IS the government. I.e., the GOVERNMENT is, in your estimation, the source of USPS's problems
Yes, but not for any of the reasons you cite. In the Bush years, the Republicans passed a law forcing the USPS to fully fund retirement benefits 75 years in advance. As in, they have to save money now for workers that haven't even been born yet.
No other entity, public or private, has to deal with those requirements. If it was FedEx singled out for this instead of the USPS, it would be FedEx facing "insolvency".
What do you think "have rewritten the regulatory rules in their favor" means?
It means we have another Libertarian Loon trying to blame the evils of capitalism on government.
The telecommunication companies write no regulatory rules. You understand this right?
You need to understand you have this exactly backwards: most laws are literally written by lobbyists who then lobby government officials to sponsor them. They haven't have a trade group for just that purpose - ALEC.
Well I live in south africa, where most people have to make do with internet download speeds of up to 30kbps
And in some parts of the world, you're damn lucky if you get a couple hours of power a day. Someone always has it worse off than you do.
all this and I live in a country
...that's not the wealthiest and most powerful in the world. Having shitty internet by first world standards when far smaller countries with far less money are beating America's pants off when it comes to speed and availability in net access.
So you're one of those people who oppose abortion AND oppose any social services to either care for that fetus or ensure it has a decent life when it comes out 6 months later. Tell us again how pro-life you are....
Being a Fandroid would mean I support it no matter what, I'm just making a fanboy statement
Fixed that for you. You're alternating between cheerleading and selective arguments. Case in point...
The Android development time right now for a hardware / software co release is about 6 months and Apple is riding a year
Nevermind that:
1) You're counting Android.x releases while ignoring Apple's 2) Much of the updates are for hardware support for new devices 3) The forced obsolescence of older Android sets
Motorola is running around boasting about how you'll be able to run Jelly Bean on handsets made waaaaay back in....last year. Yeah, easy to rack up those version numbers when you include hardware support for new devices as part of your "updates" while dropping support for older devices.
No, I love hearing about it. Especially because I used to love Apple. Now I see them as monstrous bullies.
So, you're buying Nokia then? Samsung wasn't a helpless bystander, the Korean company and Apple were suing each other in court. Speaking of Korea, the iPhone was banned there for two years to protect companies like....Samsung.
Unless you want the only mobile device you can ever buy to be Apple, I'd suggest that you take a bit more interest in it. Because if things keep going the way they are, there will be NO other choice in cell phone or tablet. You will either pay Apple's premium price for 2nd rate hardware and 5th rate support or you will do without.
Ignoring the fact that Samsung was suing Apple at the same time, or that the iPhone was banned in Korea for two years.
You're living in the exact blind loyalty dream world that every monopoly hopes people will live in.
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It's military detention without accusation or trial, and it was signed into law by Obama at the end of last year.
for the short version...
The ones that exist only in the minds of authoritarian tools full of poutrage? Nobody has been able to point to a single person being harmed by the release of the cables. As opposed to, you know, the millions who have either died or forced from their homes from America's false wars of choice.
But you're not calling for accountability for actual suffering from actual millions of people. Says a lot about your real priorities and motives....
They most certainly did.
You were saying?
Or, back up and try again...
Although, I have to wonder what our response would be if this was the early 1940s, the US was fighting Germany and Japan, and a character named 'Assange' released a bunch of documents revealing the corruption, criminality and false flag operations from Axis powers, only for Assange to face persecution from those same Axis powers.
Because it's hard to get authoritarians to understand something when their ideology is dependent on their not understanding it.
And yet the Pentagon has never been able to show a single instance where an "informant" or anyone else was hurt because of WikiLeaks.
But more to the point, where was all this Concern over human life when the U.S. was lying its way into multiple wars of choice that resulted in over a million deaths?
According to the witch hunters, or those wanting to ignore the fact that Manning has done more to uphold his Oath of Office than those prosecuting him, if the allegations are correct?
Distinction without a difference.
Do did Daniel Ellsberg - of a much higher level of classification. So do the NYTimes and WaPo on a regular basis. But more to the point....so does the Obama Administration, when it's done to puff up Obama's image as much as a Mission Accomplished banner. You know, like simultaneously bragging about the effectiveness of the drone program and denying it exists because "it's classified".
It's easier for the U.S. to get people extradited from Sweden than from the U.K. For one, the U.K. has a problem with the death penalty (something Assange could be charged with), whereas Sweden has let people be kidnapped so they could be tortured.
Furthermore, people think that Sweden is some liberal utopia because they have free health care and education. But their justice system doesn't operate by "guilty until proven innocent". They have Star Chambers and can keep suspects incommunicado for extended lengths of time.
Sure it is. But for one, just because something is commonplace doesn't mean it's okay (see: slavery), and for another, it's not what Obama promised when he was running for office in 2008, when he vowed to protect whistleblowers.
Whoosh. Yes, it's all about Julian, rather than the massive amounts of corruption revealed by Julian, WikiLeaks, and allegedly, by Bradley Manning. This is not an accident.
Obvious red herring is obvious. This is the same misdirection perfected by the Bushies, who tried to derail any conversation about their incompetence or criminality by talking about what a very very bad person Saddam was and how the world is a better place now that he's gone.
Except: the American taxpayer wasn't funding Saddam (after the Iran-Iraq war at least) anymore than they are supporting Putin in Russia. The American taxpayer has been supporting torture and illegal wars whether they like it or not.
Not closed - but you find yourself closed off from the must-have "access" if you don't play ball. Or you might find yourself on a terror watch list or dealing petty harassment at the border, or some errant missile strikes if you are Al Jazeera.
They're throwing out centuries of diplomatic policy by threatening to raid the Ecuadorian embassy or stop any diplomatic vehicle leaving it.
It's one thing to be pretty sure you know Obama is blocking accountability for torture, giving his "look forward not backward" BS and the lack of investigations.
It's another to see diplomatic cables strongarming Spain into dropping their criminal prosecution against Cheney et all.
You already answered it:
So FedEx doesn't send "First Class Mail". They send a package or parcel that happens to have pieces of paper in it. Could even post a picture of them doing just that if I hadn't thrown away last month's old mail.
You went to the same shitty school as the AC above you then? I'm not a fan of NCLB/Race To the Top, but in that case I hope that school has been closed and replaced with something less incompetent.
Except that's not true. The Constitution does give Congress the power "To establish Post Offices and post Roads", but the world exclusive is nowhere to be found. A competing postal service is no more unconstitutional than privately owned highways, of which there are hundreds in the US.
Now, you were going on about being embarrassed?
You picked a terrible example. The USPS is only "losing" money because Republicans passed a law requiring them to fully fund their pensions 75 years in advance. As in for employees who haven't even been born yet.
No other entity, private or public, faces that requirement. Of course they'd be in trouble in a competitive market - so would FedEx or UPS.
Because it's a real-world case that interferes with Libertarian faith-based economics?
Where is this "law" that prevents FedEx, UPS, or DHL from shipping around pieces of paper for less money than the USPS?
So you're out regularly protesting your nearest Air Force base, right? Since Congress "only" has the authority under the Constitution to fund an Army and a Navy....
Yes, but not for any of the reasons you cite. In the Bush years, the Republicans passed a law forcing the USPS to fully fund retirement benefits 75 years in advance. As in, they have to save money now for workers that haven't even been born yet.
No other entity, public or private, has to deal with those requirements. If it was FedEx singled out for this instead of the USPS, it would be FedEx facing "insolvency".
It means we have another Libertarian Loon trying to blame the evils of capitalism on government.
You need to understand you have this exactly backwards: most laws are literally written by lobbyists who then lobby government officials to sponsor them. They haven't have a trade group for just that purpose - ALEC.
Compared to the massive subsidization of American roads and air travel that you just ignored?
Compared to the big money maker that is the Interstate Highway System?
And in some parts of the world, you're damn lucky if you get a couple hours of power a day. Someone always has it worse off than you do.
So you're one of those people who oppose abortion AND oppose any social services to either care for that fetus or ensure it has a decent life when it comes out 6 months later. Tell us again how pro-life you are....
(since you didn't address it the first time)
Sure thing, but it's not new news.
Fixed that for you. You're alternating between cheerleading and selective arguments. Case in point...
Nevermind that:
1) You're counting Android .x releases while ignoring Apple's
2) Much of the updates are for hardware support for new devices
3) The forced obsolescence of older Android sets
Motorola is running around boasting about how you'll be able to run Jelly Bean on handsets made waaaaay back in....last year. Yeah, easy to rack up those version numbers when you include hardware support for new devices as part of your "updates" while dropping support for older devices.
Fandroid. And people here whine about Apple fanboys....
So, you're buying Nokia then? Samsung wasn't a helpless bystander, the Korean company and Apple were suing each other in court. Speaking of Korea, the iPhone was banned there for two years to protect companies like....Samsung.
Ignoring the fact that Samsung was suing Apple at the same time, or that the iPhone was banned in Korea for two years.
I find your lack of self-awareness disturbing.