The President can declare who can say the news and who can't, what is news and what isn't, and what is truth and what is not?
And when has that happened, exactly?
Oh, and yeah, lying (See CBS and their fake GWB NG documents)
Except you're full of shit, as usual. The documents were verified - for accuracy of content. If someone forged them, they "forged" the truth. But it's wonderful how wingnuts can make up these standards on the spur of the hat for things or people they disagree with - like the rhetorical standard they held Gore to - that never apply to themselves.
Case in point, all the wingnuts frothing at the mouth over Dan Rather, yet have no problems with Sean Hannity using footage from Glenn Beck's 9/vomit protest (thousands of people) for Michelle Bauchman's much smaller protest.
How convenient that you leave out all the details that conflict with your storyline - which I already debunked with the iPod example. XBox's and PS3's are not sold with keyboards and mice - kinda necessary items for a personal computer.
Unless you'd like to provide widespread examples of businesses and schools using unmodded XBoxes and PS3's as desktop computers for their students.
I think the problem is that "not being able to teach worth a damn" is not considered "cause" for firing
The problem you're missing is the fact that "not being able to teach worth a damn" is really going to mean "Mr. Stark gave my son an F and detention for talking in class" sooner or later, nevermind that the F and the attention were totally deserved.
Nothing is more political than children. Nothing. It's why "oh wont someone think of the children" is unfortunately not just a cliche. And since public schools are generally paid for with local taxes, you need a buffer between teachers and the local populace so Mr. Start doesn't get fired for...doing a good job.
Teachers and unions are like that old line about Democracy: it's the worst form of government there is - except for all the others. You might not like teachers unions, but the alternative would be far worse.
Yes but this control arises out of you agreement to be bound by the terms of the contract, not from the exclusive rights arisiong out of copyright.
EUlA's are not contracts. EUlA's are not contracts. EUlA's are not contracts.
/bart simpson. Unless both parties are free to change the terms of an agreement before money changes hands, it's not a contract. End of story - especially when retailers refuse returns on opened software. Otherwise, there's nothing to stop software companies from writing clauses stating that you owe them 10% of your annual salary.
That's too silly for words, really. For a start how could "something specified under the EULA" be enforcable if the parties didn't reach agreement in relation to the EULA? Secondly, even if you have a right, how does the other party "ignoring" you prove your right is "unenforcable"?
If by "silly" you mean "you're going to ignore facts that are inconvenient to your storyline", then yes. If EULA's are enforceable contracts, then Microsoft was contractually obligated to refund the cost of Windows. What part of this is so hard to understand?
You work for someone, that someone owns your work. If you try and sell it as your own, you get sued. That is reality.
If you weren't hired to do the work, it's not work for hire. Couldn't be simpler. Employers do not have carte blanche to take ownership of all your creative works as long as you are working for them.
However, there are a great many companies that love to hire ankle grabbers. Knock yourself out, but don't expect anyone else to follow this nonsense you're peddling.
Really? Do you have a reason to think that the majority of the populace doesn't want us there? Because as far as I can tell, they do want us there; at least until they are strong enough to take care of themselves.
Really? Put yourself in the shoes of an Iraqi:
U.S. government lies about WMD's and Al Queda ties as a pretext for war
There is no post-war planning whatsoever - the Bush Administration and allies were claiming the operation would last a few weeks
Tens of thousands have died from U.S. weapons
Hundreds of thousands have died in the resulting sectarian civil war
Torture, imprisonment with no lawyers or trials, and more torture
The occasional Blackwater massacre
Bombing the offices of Al Jazeera
Imprisoning Iraqi journalists with no probable cause
Supporting a massively corrupt government
And on top of all that, we haven't stopped the violence. That Iraqi's now have the population equivalent of a 911 every month instead of every day is small comfort. There are families where the women have stayed in mourning robes for years because family members keep getting killed before the mourning period is over.
So if you were an Iraqi - why in God's name would you want the U.S. military occupying your country?
1st: How much does Apple pay you? Every one of your posts *ever* is defending them.
Say you run into a gaggle of idiots who say that Britney Spears likes some bestiality with after a nice dinner amongst her fellow cannibals. You point out that this is absurd, that Ms. Spears doesn't engage in bestiality or eat other human beings.
Does this now make you a Britney Spears fanboy?
2nd: I already covered step 2 in my first post,
No. You didn't. You're talking about sribbling in the margins, not replacing sections of the book with your own passages and reselling it for a profit. You're comparing Apples to oranges.
Well, given any other state, you could invade and kick over the government with a few BB guns and lound language, but given this is the DEEEEP south, and with the numnber of guns floating around and packs of large dogs trained to kill on comand, obama would have to recall half the trops stationed across the wold to even hold the line here...
There's an easy solution for that...announce a state fair with free beer, barbecue, and hookers. Then take the guns away after everyone's passed out....problem solved.
Do you think you have any credibility when you refer to people you disagree with as doodieheads?
Straw man.
Because you sound factually accurate when you refer to them as teabaggers.
Fixed your petulant whining. These people were mailing tea bags to government officials. Hence, teabaggers.
I've spoken at, and helped organize, three tea parties.
Yes, where no doubt you protested the fact that Bush doubled the national debt in five years, and applauded Obama for pushing the largest middle class tax cut in history, right? Right?
We received no money from ANYONE, nor any organizational support.
Even if you didn't use Glenn Beck's 9-vomit Project, you certainlly benefited from the free advertising from Fox. And yes, the large teabagging protests most certainly have been sponsored by Republican operations.
Obama routinely shows himself to be a thin skinned narcissist.
[Citation needed]
Of course he expects everyone to fawn over him and his greatness,
[Citation needed]
and he'll use the bully pulpit of the office to go after anyone who lies through their teeth on a minutely basis (Joe the Plumber, Limbaugh/Hannity/Beck, Fox News, etc).
Fixed that too.
There was a major backlash on the right side of things last fall when the Republicans supported TARP and the like.
TARP was opposed across the political spectrum. It passed because, as Chuck Shumer (D-NY) said, "the banks own the place".
Voters continued the purge of Republicans that wanted to be Democrats last year, electing conservative leaning Democrats to fill their seats in many cases.
Yes, the teabaggers put NY-23 into Democratic hands for the first time since before the Civil War. Please, please, continue your good work. Did you know that Charlie Christ practically made out with Obama, doesn't hate immigrants and supported the stimulus?
And why SHOULD the Republicans vote for the Dems bills? The Democrat leadership in both houses have done everything they can to shut out any dissenting views, be they D or R.
As is usually the case, if you take the opposite of the wingnut viewpoint, you have reality. It was Democrats in the House that removed the minority-tampling policies implemented by the Republicans when they controlled that chamber. And in the Senate, Harry Reid gives far more deference to Republicans than members of his own party, as proven when he ignored Chris Dodd's hold on telecom immunity yet honors every insane hold from Tom Coburn.
And by the fact that the Dems have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, so they could pass any and all bills while ignoring Republicans. Yet they've put a matching number of Republicans in charge of negotiating health care on the Senate Finance Committee, ignoring the ranking Democrat, Jay Rockefeller.
I do notice, however, that Obama is STILL whining that everything is his predecessor's fault.
[Citation needed]
At what point is he going to stand up and assume responsibility for the country that he's leading?
At what point is he supposed to have fixed Bush's double of the national debt and the two quagmires he left us mired in?
Biden quips that what we need is ANOTHER stimulus. Why?
Because we have near-Depression levels of unemployment, Slick. The only reasons things aren't worse than they are is the existence of a safety net that wasn't around in the early 30's.
What I'm not for is taking away the secret ballot so people can be "encouraged" to vote for the union even if they don't want it.
As is usually the case, the facts don't meet your storyline. The Employee Free Choice Act doesn't take away the secret
Wow, that's an awfully prickly bug you've got up your ass, how do you manage it?
Do you use a cannon or a howitzer for your projection?
But I DID find it amusing that you picked two examples from a few years ago.
I picked that example because that's about the only time a Dell quality control issue has made it onto Slashdot, when they have 3-4 times Apple's of their computers are supplier-of-the-week POS specials.
Sorry you lack the capacity to understand MY point.
I understood your point just fine. Your point just sucked so bad that Ray Charles could see it. And Ray Charles is blind.
I know of two people that have packed up their PCs and use a 360 instead, now.
Which is only going to be remotely comparable to a PC if you do a lot of hacking on it. In which case I could just as well claim that Apple sells Windows machines because I can buy XP and install it via Boot Camp.
I personally use my PS3 for everything, even slashdot.
See above. I can use my iPod for Slashdot, but that doesn't make it a personal computer.
I'm pretty sure you can't read, as you skipped Step 2. But hey, could be wrong, you might be willfully ignoring facts that interfere with your storyline.
agree. But that is not going to happen until we can get rid of the teachers unions. They ensure that bad teachers do not get fired, and that all teachers are paid the same without regard to talent. Basically the opposite of a meritocracy.
There is nothing about unions that prevents one from being fired with cause. Nothing whatsoever. There are plenty of lazy or bad apples working for private businesses, but you don't see people bleating that private businesses should be banned because of it.
I have to tell you that this argument is getting really old.
The truth doesn't become false just because you get tired of hearing it.
Not all teachers make nothing.
Straw man.
As a matter of fact I think many people would be happy bringing in 50k as starting pay these days.
And what teachers get that as starting pay, outside of wealthy school districts and metropolitan areas with high living costs?
Not to mention the jobs are pretty secure in comparison to the general business environment and get the summers off.
Yes, a month and a half off after working 50+ hours a week the rest of the year. Whereas in the Scandinavian countries you get 10 weeks of vacation a year and generally work 40 hours a week or less.
A few years ago they sent out their annual solicitation to the teachers. There was a husband and wife team that had been in this city's school system for a long time and didn't donate anything. Of course we knew they had the means as they both made over 100k. We knew this as it was published in the newspaper a few months before when the city announced the top paid employees. Upon asking them why they did not donate they said they were teachers and could not afford to donate.
Self awareness much? Teachers are whining when they ask for more money, while you're castigating them for not giving enough money?
I do agree that teachers are very important and should be compensated appropriately but the old blanket argument that they are very underpaid just doesn't hold water anymore...
But then our country wouldn't be so fucked in the head as to pass a $680 billion war bill while furiously debating whether or not we'll spend $80 billion on health care.
The idea that higher taxes are needed is purely ignorant of the problem.
At least you didn't use the "throwing money at the problem wont fix anything" canard.
How can rural schools consistently spend less than many big cities per pupil yet turn out better educated students?
Lower. Cost. Of. Living.
2. Overly generous pay to teachers with seniority without regard to ability 3. Over priced administrators.
Yes, heaven forbid you should expect a descent salary after getting a masters degree while continuing your education and getting a few decades of experience on the job while working 50+ hours a week.
4. Ridiculous retirement packages.
Yes, heaven forbid that someone still gets a defined benefit pension plan instead of having to risk their livelihood in the Wall Street casino.
The reason its hard to push increases of taxes through is because they've been brainwashed by decades of uncountered conservative propaganda.
Fixed that for you.
Taxes are the last thing we need more of for this problem
You get what you pay for. That applies to public schools as much as it does to food inspection, Wall Street oversight, disaster preparedness, health care and infrastructure.
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You're volunteering to pay higher property and income taxes to make up the difference?
The President can declare who can say the news and who can't, what is news and what isn't, and what is truth and what is not?
And when has that happened, exactly?
Oh, and yeah, lying (See CBS and their fake GWB NG documents)
Except you're full of shit, as usual. The documents were verified - for accuracy of content. If someone forged them, they "forged" the truth. But it's wonderful how wingnuts can make up these standards on the spur of the hat for things or people they disagree with - like the rhetorical standard they held Gore to - that never apply to themselves.
Case in point, all the wingnuts frothing at the mouth over Dan Rather, yet have no problems with Sean Hannity using footage from Glenn Beck's 9/vomit protest (thousands of people) for Michelle Bauchman's much smaller protest.
Because you take pathetic hypocrisy to 11.
Teachers are hired to teach, not come up with lesson plans on their own time. Nice try.
I hope you like the smell of lube, you're going to need it in your career.
How convenient that you leave out all the details that conflict with your storyline - which I already debunked with the iPod example. XBox's and PS3's are not sold with keyboards and mice - kinda necessary items for a personal computer.
Unless you'd like to provide widespread examples of businesses and schools using unmodded XBoxes and PS3's as desktop computers for their students.
I think the problem is that "not being able to teach worth a damn" is not considered "cause" for firing
The problem you're missing is the fact that "not being able to teach worth a damn" is really going to mean "Mr. Stark gave my son an F and detention for talking in class" sooner or later, nevermind that the F and the attention were totally deserved.
Nothing is more political than children. Nothing. It's why "oh wont someone think of the children" is unfortunately not just a cliche. And since public schools are generally paid for with local taxes, you need a buffer between teachers and the local populace so Mr. Start doesn't get fired for...doing a good job.
Teachers and unions are like that old line about Democracy: it's the worst form of government there is - except for all the others. You might not like teachers unions, but the alternative would be far worse.
Okay I see you're projecting:
OK, so I take it you have no actual evidence as to what the populace thinks, you are just making stuff up based on what you think.
With a cannon:
The situation is significantly more nuanced than you understand.
Iraqis have wanted us to GTFO. For years . So do, please, stop spouting pro-war talking points like it's still 2003.
Yes but this control arises out of you agreement to be bound by the terms of the contract, not from the exclusive rights arisiong out of copyright.
EUlA's are not contracts.
EUlA's are not contracts.
EUlA's are not contracts.
/bart simpson. Unless both parties are free to change the terms of an agreement before money changes hands, it's not a contract. End of story - especially when retailers refuse returns on opened software. Otherwise, there's nothing to stop software companies from writing clauses stating that you owe them 10% of your annual salary.
That's too silly for words, really. For a start how could "something specified under the EULA" be enforcable if the parties didn't reach agreement in relation to the EULA? Secondly, even if you have a right, how does the other party "ignoring" you prove your right is "unenforcable"?
If by "silly" you mean "you're going to ignore facts that are inconvenient to your storyline", then yes. If EULA's are enforceable contracts, then Microsoft was contractually obligated to refund the cost of Windows. What part of this is so hard to understand?
You work for someone, that someone owns your work. If you try and sell it as your own, you get sued. That is reality.
If you weren't hired to do the work, it's not work for hire. Couldn't be simpler. Employers do not have carte blanche to take ownership of all your creative works as long as you are working for them.
However, there are a great many companies that love to hire ankle grabbers. Knock yourself out, but don't expect anyone else to follow this nonsense you're peddling.
Really? Do you have a reason to think that the majority of the populace doesn't want us there? Because as far as I can tell, they do want us there; at least until they are strong enough to take care of themselves.
Really? Put yourself in the shoes of an Iraqi:
And on top of all that, we haven't stopped the violence. That Iraqi's now have the population equivalent of a 911 every month instead of every day is small comfort. There are families where the women have stayed in mourning robes for years because family members keep getting killed before the mourning period is over.
So if you were an Iraqi - why in God's name would you want the U.S. military occupying your country?
Not at all. The argument that it is "all about Sun" is just your straw-man.
You're using that word but it doesn't mean what you think it means.
1st: How much does Apple pay you? Every one of your posts *ever* is defending them.
Say you run into a gaggle of idiots who say that Britney Spears likes some bestiality with after a nice dinner amongst her fellow cannibals. You point out that this is absurd, that Ms. Spears doesn't engage in bestiality or eat other human beings.
Does this now make you a Britney Spears fanboy?
2nd: I already covered step 2 in my first post,
No. You didn't. You're talking about sribbling in the margins, not replacing sections of the book with your own passages and reselling it for a profit. You're comparing Apples to oranges.
But hey, could be wrong.
This would be a change?
Well, given any other state, you could invade and kick over the government with a few BB guns and lound language, but given this is the DEEEEP south, and with the numnber of guns floating around and packs of large dogs trained to kill on comand, obama would have to recall half the trops stationed across the wold to even hold the line here...
There's an easy solution for that...announce a state fair with free beer, barbecue, and hookers. Then take the guns away after everyone's passed out....problem solved.
Do you think you have any credibility when you refer to people you disagree with as doodieheads?
Straw man.
Because you sound factually accurate when you refer to them as teabaggers.
Fixed your petulant whining. These people were mailing tea bags to government officials. Hence, teabaggers.
I've spoken at, and helped organize, three tea parties.
Yes, where no doubt you protested the fact that Bush doubled the national debt in five years, and applauded Obama for pushing the largest middle class tax cut in history, right? Right?
We received no money from ANYONE, nor any organizational support.
Even if you didn't use Glenn Beck's 9-vomit Project, you certainlly benefited from the free advertising from Fox. And yes, the large teabagging protests most certainly have been sponsored by Republican operations.
Obama routinely shows himself to be a thin skinned narcissist.
[Citation needed]
Of course he expects everyone to fawn over him and his greatness,
[Citation needed]
and he'll use the bully pulpit of the office to go after anyone who lies through their teeth on a minutely basis (Joe the Plumber, Limbaugh/Hannity/Beck, Fox News, etc).
Fixed that too.
There was a major backlash on the right side of things last fall when the Republicans supported TARP and the like.
TARP was opposed across the political spectrum. It passed because, as Chuck Shumer (D-NY) said, "the banks own the place".
Voters continued the purge of Republicans that wanted to be Democrats last year, electing conservative leaning Democrats to fill their seats in many cases.
Yes, the teabaggers put NY-23 into Democratic hands for the first time since before the Civil War. Please, please, continue your good work. Did you know that Charlie Christ practically made out with Obama, doesn't hate immigrants and supported the stimulus?
And why SHOULD the Republicans vote for the Dems bills? The Democrat leadership in both houses have done everything they can to shut out any dissenting views, be they D or R.
As is usually the case, if you take the opposite of the wingnut viewpoint, you have reality. It was Democrats in the House that removed the minority-tampling policies implemented by the Republicans when they controlled that chamber. And in the Senate, Harry Reid gives far more deference to Republicans than members of his own party, as proven when he ignored Chris Dodd's hold on telecom immunity yet honors every insane hold from Tom Coburn.
And by the fact that the Dems have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, so they could pass any and all bills while ignoring Republicans. Yet they've put a matching number of Republicans in charge of negotiating health care on the Senate Finance Committee, ignoring the ranking Democrat, Jay Rockefeller.
I do notice, however, that Obama is STILL whining that everything is his predecessor's fault.
[Citation needed]
At what point is he going to stand up and assume responsibility for the country that he's leading?
At what point is he supposed to have fixed Bush's double of the national debt and the two quagmires he left us mired in?
Biden quips that what we need is ANOTHER stimulus. Why?
Because we have near-Depression levels of unemployment, Slick. The only reasons things aren't worse than they are is the existence of a safety net that wasn't around in the early 30's.
What I'm not for is taking away the secret ballot so people can be "encouraged" to vote for the union even if they don't want it.
As is usually the case, the facts don't meet your storyline. The Employee Free Choice Act doesn't take away the secret
Wow, that's an awfully prickly bug you've got up your ass, how do you manage it?
Do you use a cannon or a howitzer for your projection?
But I DID find it amusing that you picked two examples from a few years ago.
I picked that example because that's about the only time a Dell quality control issue has made it onto Slashdot, when they have 3-4 times Apple's of their computers are supplier-of-the-week POS specials.
Sorry you lack the capacity to understand MY point.
I understood your point just fine. Your point just sucked so bad that Ray Charles could see it. And Ray Charles is blind.
And dead.
That was a "hint hint" to re-read the parents post, where he plainly said that Apple purchased CUPS.
I know of two people that have packed up their PCs and use a 360 instead, now.
Which is only going to be remotely comparable to a PC if you do a lot of hacking on it. In which case I could just as well claim that Apple sells Windows machines because I can buy XP and install it via Boot Camp.
I personally use my PS3 for everything, even slashdot.
See above. I can use my iPod for Slashdot, but that doesn't make it a personal computer.
I'm pretty sure you can't read, as you skipped Step 2. But hey, could be wrong, you might be willfully ignoring facts that interfere with your storyline.
agree. But that is not going to happen until we can get rid of the teachers unions. They ensure that bad teachers do not get fired, and that all teachers are paid the same without regard to talent. Basically the opposite of a meritocracy.
There is nothing about unions that prevents one from being fired with cause. Nothing whatsoever. There are plenty of lazy or bad apples working for private businesses, but you don't see people bleating that private businesses should be banned because of it.
I have to tell you that this argument is getting really old.
The truth doesn't become false just because you get tired of hearing it.
Not all teachers make nothing.
Straw man.
As a matter of fact I think many people would be happy bringing in 50k as starting pay these days.
And what teachers get that as starting pay, outside of wealthy school districts and metropolitan areas with high living costs?
Not to mention the jobs are pretty secure in comparison to the general business environment and get the summers off.
Yes, a month and a half off after working 50+ hours a week the rest of the year. Whereas in the Scandinavian countries you get 10 weeks of vacation a year and generally work 40 hours a week or less.
A few years ago they sent out their annual solicitation to the teachers. There was a husband and wife team that had been in this city's school system for a long time and didn't donate anything. Of course we knew they had the means as they both made over 100k. We knew this as it was published in the newspaper a few months before when the city announced the top paid employees. Upon asking them why they did not donate they said they were teachers and could not afford to donate.
Self awareness much? Teachers are whining when they ask for more money, while you're castigating them for not giving enough money?
I do agree that teachers are very important and should be compensated appropriately but the old blanket argument that they are very underpaid just doesn't hold water anymore...
Here on planet Earth, that's just not the case.
Wow. Sounds like we need regime change in SC, and years of humanitarian aid to repair the damage. When can we start the invasion?
They are working for the government. Their work belongs to the government.
Only if their contract says so. Otherwise, that's utter nonsense.
There's a great video on the subject as well.
Sorry, but most people aren't going to see complete anarchy as much of a "fix".
But then our country wouldn't be so fucked in the head as to pass a $680 billion war bill while furiously debating whether or not we'll spend $80 billion on health care.
The idea that higher taxes are needed is purely ignorant of the problem.
At least you didn't use the "throwing money at the problem wont fix anything" canard.
How can rural schools consistently spend less than many big cities per pupil yet turn out better educated students?
Lower. Cost. Of. Living.
2. Overly generous pay to teachers with seniority without regard to ability
3. Over priced administrators.
Yes, heaven forbid you should expect a descent salary after getting a masters degree while continuing your education and getting a few decades of experience on the job while working 50+ hours a week.
4. Ridiculous retirement packages.
Yes, heaven forbid that someone still gets a defined benefit pension plan instead of having to risk their livelihood in the Wall Street casino.
The reason its hard to push increases of taxes through is because they've been brainwashed by decades of uncountered conservative propaganda.
Fixed that for you.
Taxes are the last thing we need more of for this problem
You get what you pay for. That applies to public schools as much as it does to food inspection, Wall Street oversight, disaster preparedness, health care and infrastructure.
Low taxes have high costs.