and the people currently making music will be stacking shelves and working as plumbers. You better buy a guitar if you want to hear new music with this "teh music is teh freeee!!!!11111" business model.
hey genius. Lets see you try that with a product that hasn't already benefited from millions of dollars of advertising under a non-piracy environment for 30 years. ready..... go!!!!!!!!!
Ah I see. so if you pirate all your digital entertainment from now until the end of time, and everyone acts like you, there will be fuck-all impact on the jobs of people working that industry and thus it doesn't affect anyone?
Or do you only care if your actions affect people you know personally? Nice attitude.
What is this article trying to say? That copyright infringement is good because the people doing it are actually also buying a lot of games?
That's bullshit. There is no correlation here, unless you studied the purchasing habits of a set group of people who couldn't pirate stuff for a year and they could the next year. Hardcore gamers buy a lot of games. If hardcore gamers also pirate a lot, then this is a disaster for people making hardcore games. Maybe they buy a lot of music and DVDs but pirate every game, or vice versa.
Put yourself in the position of someone making a game. If the guy who doesn't pay for your game buys a lot of CD's, that doesn't help pay your mortgage or buy your groceries. The fact that the people who rip you off might be someone else's good customers is frankly no help to you.
Everyone I know making games is moving to flash games that are ad-supported, console gaming, or doing MMO games. If people want the option to ever be playing single-player games, they need to stop assuming they can get them for free, and free-ride off the honest people who still open their wallet for decent entertainment.
No way in a million years did torque pay to be listed on gametunnel. The reviewers are probably just understanding of the fact that PC's being PC's, there are sometimes cases where a newly released game might have issues on some peoples computers. The reviewers at gametunnel are just indie developers, not people with a bank of 10 PC's they can try a review copy on.
NIMBY is a bad word, and shouldn't be. People don't want stuff in their back yard that has a potential risk to their families. Why is this a bad thing? In a perfect world, we would all be NIMBYs, and then you wouldn't have communities sat right next to toxic waste dumps and other crap.
And as for 'precious johnny', are you suggesting that if?when you have kids, you do NOT have any health concerns for them regarding where they live?
You might think that health concerns over nuclear are overstated, this is likely true, but the pejorative snide slagging off of the people who react to those concerns does not help.
My opposition to nuclear is mostly financial. Show me a working nuclear plant where the full fuel life cycle is managed entirely without government subsidy of any kind, and makes a profit.
the thing is, the USA for the last 8 years has been governed by people who effectively (in the analogy given) owned major shares in companies that profited from the production of horseshit.
You suggest government should stay out of the way. Fine, I agree to some extent, but they shouldn't try to maintain a destructive status quo in that case.
couldn't agree more. A friend of mine is an expert on a certain type of very old traditional wooden boat. In terms of knowledge of the things, its pretty much handed down by word of mouth. But apparently because we can't link to some on-line version of a print publication, his knowledge isn't good enough for the wikinazis. When that guy dies, his knowledge will probably die with him. nice job guys.
that doesn't mean i'm immune from prosecution for willful damage to your machine or data. That EULA wouldn't defend me if the game formatted your hard disk or installed a keylogger. Nor should it.
Are you suggesting you are NOT on safer legal ground when you buy legal software?
wind farms arent hard to build. I think you must be doing it wrong. Europe is having no problems. Wind farms don't need any exotic fuels, nor are they reliant on a limited number of global corporations to build the reactor component.
and you absolutely 100% know that it's the exact same guy uploading with that name right? And you absolutely know that some malware company didn't give the guy $50k this time right?
Heck, I'm a legit software company and get offers from shady people to bundle malware. You think all those pirates with 'reputations' don't get the same offers?
I'm part of teh evil content industry. If one of my games wrecks your PC, you can sue me. You can track me down easily from my registered company name and bring court proceedings for damages. Now try doing that to an anonymous cracker from eastern Europe.
The fact that I know I am legally responsible for the software I sell means I make damn sure there is nothing dodgy in it. This is the opposite incentive for pirates.
An example might be the cracked copy of Democracy 2. It crashes when you win the election apparently This isn't in the full version, and is likely a side effect of their crack. What else their crack does I would not like to speculate on, but I sure as hell don't think it's worth risking that they are trustworthy guys to save myself twenty bucks.
not from what I've read. Everyone I know with the beta is genuinely impressed and surprised with it. They arent well known bloggers or journos, or anyone especially disposed to talk up Microsoft either.
so? does it really matter that Microsoft aren't supporting it? I'm sure 90% of the casual PC users with windows 98 running on it neither know nor care about support. Of course, the problem there becomes security loopholes, but I suspect there will be patches, official or otherwise for XP for a while to come.
Windows XP might have been huge for the time, but once you got past the 'jeez that's a lot of files' thing, you can forget about it. The problem with Vista isn't the install size (who gives a fuck?) but how much crap is running all the time, especially on laptops.
Frankly, I want there to be sod all trace of any of the optional crap like printer support, blurtooth, image acquisition, http servers etc, until the nanosecond I launch those apps. Why there are so many services running is beyond me.
And the biggest sin of all is the disk thrashing. I don't mind what apps sit in RAM as long as they don't constantly access the disk. hat noise bugs me, and no doubt shortens the shelf life of the drive.
given that you can put up solar and wind farms much quicker than new nuclear, you would just ignite more anti-nuke protesters and build massive support for solar. Good plan. Do it.
well said. "The future will be free!!!1111", but of course the people saying this still expect to be paid at the end of the week. Apparently where that money comes form is 'someone else's problem'.
but money enabled it to have global reach. How the fuck do you expect someone in Bulgaria to find out about Elvis without capitalism? You do realise record companies spend hundreds of millions on promotion right?
You were lucky to know about the minstrel from the next village before capitalism.
And show me the top 20 international megastars from communist countries. Just saying...
People pay for what they will get. If they already HAVE everything they want (pirated music) why would they pay any more? The marginal utility of the payment for a song you downloaded is just the fuzzy feeling of being honest. The utility of the music itself has already been consumed.
By this rationale, file sharing will destroy the entire industry, and stronger penalties are needed to stop it ruining the economy and causing mass unemployment.
I think you are forgetting about the rights of the copyright holder. the fact that there MAY in THEORY be some benefit to your sharing a file does not mean its ok to do so.
By sharing other peoples content you are taking away their right to control how it is distributed. Nobody has appointed you as PR manager for a record company.
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and the people currently making music will be stacking shelves and working as plumbers.
You better buy a guitar if you want to hear new music with this "teh music is teh freeee!!!!11111" business model.
hey genius. Lets see you try that with a product that hasn't already benefited from millions of dollars of advertising under a non-piracy environment for 30 years.
ready..... go!!!!!!!!!
Ah I see. so if you pirate all your digital entertainment from now until the end of time, and everyone acts like you, there will be fuck-all impact on the jobs of people working that industry and thus it doesn't affect anyone?
Or do you only care if your actions affect people you know personally?
Nice attitude.
What is this article trying to say? That copyright infringement is good because the people doing it are actually also buying a lot of games?
That's bullshit. There is no correlation here, unless you studied the purchasing habits of a set group of people who couldn't pirate stuff for a year and they could the next year.
Hardcore gamers buy a lot of games. If hardcore gamers also pirate a lot, then this is a disaster for people making hardcore games.
Maybe they buy a lot of music and DVDs but pirate every game, or vice versa.
Put yourself in the position of someone making a game. If the guy who doesn't pay for your game buys a lot of CD's, that doesn't help pay your mortgage or buy your groceries. The fact that the people who rip you off might be someone else's good customers is frankly no help to you.
Everyone I know making games is moving to flash games that are ad-supported, console gaming, or doing MMO games. If people want the option to ever be playing single-player games, they need to stop assuming they can get them for free, and free-ride off the honest people who still open their wallet for decent entertainment.
No way in a million years did torque pay to be listed on gametunnel. The reviewers are probably just understanding of the fact that PC's being PC's, there are sometimes cases where a newly released game might have issues on some peoples computers.
The reviewers at gametunnel are just indie developers, not people with a bank of 10 PC's they can try a review copy on.
wow. I'm a troll because I stated that the bush governments had links to the oil business.
How pathetic
Read some books kiddies
It's a crying shame I have no mod points to mod you up for this.
Well said sir.
NIMBY is a bad word, and shouldn't be. People don't want stuff in their back yard that has a potential risk to their families. Why is this a bad thing? In a perfect world, we would all be NIMBYs, and then you wouldn't have communities sat right next to toxic waste dumps and other crap.
And as for 'precious johnny', are you suggesting that if?when you have kids, you do NOT have any health concerns for them regarding where they live?
You might think that health concerns over nuclear are overstated, this is likely true, but the pejorative snide slagging off of the people who react to those concerns does not help.
My opposition to nuclear is mostly financial. Show me a working nuclear plant where the full fuel life cycle is managed entirely without government subsidy of any kind, and makes a profit.
the thing is, the USA for the last 8 years has been governed by people who effectively (in the analogy given) owned major shares in companies that profited from the production of horseshit.
You suggest government should stay out of the way. Fine, I agree to some extent, but they shouldn't try to maintain a destructive status quo in that case.
couldn't agree more. A friend of mine is an expert on a certain type of very old traditional wooden boat. In terms of knowledge of the things, its pretty much handed down by word of mouth. But apparently because we can't link to some on-line version of a print publication, his knowledge isn't good enough for the wikinazis.
When that guy dies, his knowledge will probably die with him.
nice job guys.
that doesn't mean i'm immune from prosecution for willful damage to your machine or data.
That EULA wouldn't defend me if the game formatted your hard disk or installed a keylogger. Nor should it.
Are you suggesting you are NOT on safer legal ground when you buy legal software?
comments that are always made by honest and upstanding members of the community who are in no way vaguely anonymous?
Sorry to impune the perfect honesty and wonderful morals of the pirates community here on their fanclub site btw.
wind farms arent hard to build. I think you must be doing it wrong. Europe is having no problems.
Wind farms don't need any exotic fuels, nor are they reliant on a limited number of global corporations to build the reactor component.
wow.
tell it to the judge kid. I'm sure he will be so impressed by your reasoning.
and you absolutely 100% know that it's the exact same guy uploading with that name right?
And you absolutely know that some malware company didn't give the guy $50k this time right?
Heck, I'm a legit software company and get offers from shady people to bundle malware. You think all those pirates with 'reputations' don't get the same offers?
I'm part of teh evil content industry. If one of my games wrecks your PC, you can sue me. You can track me down easily from my registered company name and bring court proceedings for damages.
Now try doing that to an anonymous cracker from eastern Europe.
The fact that I know I am legally responsible for the software I sell means I make damn sure there is nothing dodgy in it. This is the opposite incentive for pirates.
An example might be the cracked copy of Democracy 2. It crashes when you win the election apparently This isn't in the full version, and is likely a side effect of their crack. What else their crack does I would not like to speculate on, but I sure as hell don't think it's worth risking that they are trustworthy guys to save myself twenty bucks.
not from what I've read. Everyone I know with the beta is genuinely impressed and surprised with it. They arent well known bloggers or journos, or anyone especially disposed to talk up Microsoft either.
so?
does it really matter that Microsoft aren't supporting it? I'm sure 90% of the casual PC users with windows 98 running on it neither know nor care about support. Of course, the problem there becomes security loopholes, but I suspect there will be patches, official or otherwise for XP for a while to come.
I disagree,
Windows XP might have been huge for the time, but once you got past the 'jeez that's a lot of files' thing, you can forget about it. The problem with Vista isn't the install size (who gives a fuck?) but how much crap is running all the time, especially on laptops.
Frankly, I want there to be sod all trace of any of the optional crap like printer support, blurtooth, image acquisition, http servers etc, until the nanosecond I launch those apps. Why there are so many services running is beyond me.
And the biggest sin of all is the disk thrashing. I don't mind what apps sit in RAM as long as they don't constantly access the disk. hat noise bugs me, and no doubt shortens the shelf life of the drive.
given that you can put up solar and wind farms much quicker than new nuclear, you would just ignite more anti-nuke protesters and build massive support for solar.
Good plan. Do it.
well said.
"The future will be free!!!1111", but of course the people saying this still expect to be paid at the end of the week. Apparently where that money comes form is 'someone else's problem'.
but money enabled it to have global reach.
How the fuck do you expect someone in Bulgaria to find out about Elvis without capitalism? You do realise record companies spend hundreds of millions on promotion right?
You were lucky to know about the minstrel from the next village before capitalism.
And show me the top 20 international megastars from communist countries.
Just saying...
some more basic economics.
People pay for what they will get. If they already HAVE everything they want (pirated music) why would they pay any more?
The marginal utility of the payment for a song you downloaded is just the fuzzy feeling of being honest. The utility of the music itself has already been consumed.
By this rationale, file sharing will destroy the entire industry, and stronger penalties are needed to stop it ruining the economy and causing mass unemployment.
be careful how you quote economics in this case.
how does this work for games? Or are singleplayer games now dead because people refuse to pay for stuff that entertains them these days?
I don't get the problem with actually enforcing the law. Music and games are luxuries. Nobody need to risk jail to hear a new album for fucks sake.
I think you are forgetting about the rights of the copyright holder. the fact that there MAY in THEORY be some benefit to your sharing a file does not mean its ok to do so.
By sharing other peoples content you are taking away their right to control how it is distributed. Nobody has appointed you as PR manager for a record company.