If something goes wrong you would want it to "do something sensible", not stop the OS and expect the operator to take over. If something goes wrong, most of known operating systems will usually continue to do what they were doing, oblivious to the danger, because it happens (Murphy's law) just beyond their sensor range. What you want it to do has nothing in common with what it will do. Despite best intentions of the engineers.
A heavy push on the control column will do that on most aircraft. Something you want to do especially when the wheels are lifting from the runway?
Find me a 16MHz SGI machine, or whatever RISC hard-on chip you like from back then, and I'll take a 300MHz Pentium 2 and stomp it into shit.
I said -usable- speed. I'll take my Amiga 600 with 2MB of RAM, switch it on, load Workbench in 12 seconds, then will be editing an image in DeluxePaint in another 10 seconds, with music playing in the background. Do the same with Windows XP and a gfx program of your choice on a 300MHZ CPU. Try this even on a 4GHZ CPU. With 64MB RAM:P
Sure Amiga is poor at number crunching, but good I/O made for great, fast, responsive, comfortable user interface, and easy programming resulted in fast, short, efficient programs. Programming PC is a hell, so different toolboxes, APIs etc were made to make it easier, and they are horribly heavyweight. Result? What on some 4 MIPS took 10 cycles, on 4 GIPS takes 20,000. PC won, it's a fact. Not by quality or performance, but by right marketing decisions. Apple didn't tackle the opportunity to lower prices and go out to the masses, and others died due to stagnation and horrible marketing. And that's the only reason why I can't have "these things he was talking about". Because good design is dead, ugly hack rules. The name of the game wasn't DOS/IBM, except in business/office environment. Times of DOS were times of variety. DOS for office, Mac and Amiga for studio, 8-bit toys for kids, VAXes, SGIs and all the other big iron for universities and computational centres. Amstrad, Commodore, Atari, Spectrum, Tandy, hundreds of brand names. IBM was nowhere near the top. Before it gained domination, DOS was dead. Win311 was dying. IBM was on the treshold of bankruptcy. The market got flooded with cheap taiwaneese clones. The name of the game was Win95 and Pentium.
I don't even understand how since the XBox should have been faulted into 32-bit protected mode
Start is actually easier than landing. If everything goes according to the procedure, it's one of the simplest maneuvres. The problem is it's most risky part, that is many things may go wrong, the plane is most failure-prone, there are lots and lots accidents waiting to happen. An autopilot would have zero problems taking off, but you need a human at the controls in case something goes wrong, and if it does, better if you don't have to waste time on switching the autopilot off. Besides, since it's easy, not much work for the pilot if everything goes smoothly, autopilot not so needed.
Sorry, bullshit. PCs were the office market for a LONG time. Only sometime around Pentium MMX they started becoming home computers. Mainly because of horrible marketing of Commodore and high price tag on Apple. If you wanted a graphical program, you would stay FAR AWAY from PCs. Amiga or Mac for drawing, modelling, SGI for rendering. Amiga 4000 served in multiple TV stations long after PentiumII entered the market, because it was far superior. Software like Scala Multimedia was used till early 00's in major TV stations. Sure, spreadsheets, databases, text processors, these were all in domain of PC. AutoCAD too. But few others, and no professional graphician would take a PC seriously as a work tool before 98 or so. And around 96, Amiga got a new lease of life in form of AmosPRO. A language so easy everyone could use it, so powerful it allowed access to deepest resources of the computer easily, and pretty fast to that. PC was nowhere near there then, writing apps for Win95 was a horrible process. Sure there was more RAM and CPU power, but even the fastest PC CPUs couldn't move chunks of screen around as fast as Amiga's dedicated hardware. A Pentium MMX 166 was barely comparable to a 16MHz Amiga 1200 in means of usable speed. And thanks to some hardware hacks, everything looked vastly better on Amiga. Take this simple invention, "round pixels". Hardware would smooth the edges of pixels, making two adjacent pixels a line, 4 pixels in a block a circle etc. Squarish 320x200 in 256 colors on VGA looked HORRIBLE - square bricks - comparing to smooth, no pixels visible, Amiga's 320x256 in Halfbrite (64 colors). Amiga didn't die because it was worse. It died because it didn't get enough updates, growth. Commodore didn't release anything better, while PCs were improving. Macs never gained much of the market because they were expensive. And for too long, 'toy computers'. PCs got cheap, available and raw power compensated for design shortcomings. Who wants great design of CPU that runs 16MHz when you can have 300MHz of worse design for the same price?
It's quite long after 9/11. What direction is the economy going? What direction would it go if 9/11 didn't happen? The economical failure was inevitable and steps to distract people from it were taken. Who cares about the economy if the enemy attacks the country? Did the plane fall by itself? Just because? The first news claimed it crashed. Later more and more news were saying it was shot down. Hard to tell which one is true by now. All we can do is guessing. And shot down is my bet.
Assume the above claims true and try to disprove them. Following the standard Holmes methods; tool, motives, place of crime etc.
First, pro-BinLaden proofs. A car with flight manuals in arabian left on the airport. As for me, reeks. Why the fuck would they take the manuals with themselves? They should know their stuff by heart by then, plus have some weeks of training in Flight Simulator, and if caught by a patrol with such a thing they would endanger the whole mission. IMHO way more likely, "evidence" planted by agents. Second proof, the tape. Found conveniently lost in a random demolished building, months after the attacks. Enough time and resources for the secret labs to doctor the whole tape, piece by piece. CGI is advanced enough, and VHS poor enough to hide all the smelly details. Essentially, there's no solid proof it was Bin Laden, it could have been anyone with resources/influence, planting fake evidence.
Now moving over to the Bush=guilty theory. WTC could be considered spectacular enough to attract the world's attention, while being unimportant enough not to mean any serious loss for the government and military. Attack on Iraq and Afghanistan - thousands of tons of bombs dropped, huge income for the military industry, new contracts, emptying the stores of the aging, obsolete weapons and replacing with the modern ones. Panic, support for the "strong president", ability to reinforce Bush's position and defer the attention away from failing economy. Huge increase of influence of republicans. Wherever you look, you see profits for the Bush side. He would have far more motives for it than Bin Laden. And considering his today's actions against freedom, I doubt his conscience would stop him from killing 5000 innocents in the name of reinforcing the empire. Enouh motives? Tools - there's enough fanatical rightists. These who shot abortion clinics surgeons, members of KKK, neo-nazis. Enough to sacrifice their lives. By the way, the plane aimed at the White House was shot down... What incredible luck, isn't it? Or is it? All the rest - victims (5000 american civilians, several hundreds of thousands of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus all the military who died in the conflicts), the place etc are obvious. Now just to find solid proofs. But if there are any, they are buried deep in archives of CIA, and Bush takes a good care so that anyone who would get too interested in that would vanish by the provisions of Patriot act.
Now please give me the motives of Slashdot administrators...
Look, my ISP crapped out. Seems they moved to a slow backup line and now my net crawls like a snail. Effect? I click "slideshow". Wait for it to load. 3 minutes later it seems it started to actually load and I see the last page. I click "previous", after a moment of milling without displaying anything I'm back to the last page. I don't even get to click stop, it doesn't get displayed, before the page gets flipped and the next one starts loading.
Yes, it would. Just find some other home DC source of several kiloampers of current sufficient to last about a microsecond needed for the bullet to pass the rails. If you want good exit speed at the end of the relatively short rails, you must provide huge current. The army doesn't play with capacitors, they just use a nuclear reactor to produce all the electricity they need for the sub.
Don't protect the system against the users, it's futile and painful. Instead, make recovery simple enough and painless enough to yourself to make it a simple daily routine. Preferably if it's painful enough to the users. Like, allow all computers to bootstrap from LAN, boot to backup recovery and click through the recovery process. "My computer acts funny. It opens this big banner with "enlarge your, you know what" all over my screen..." "Okay. You know the procedure. Boot from LAN..." "Noooooo!" "This is the only way to be sure. Do it." "I won't, never again! Just please, come and fix it!" "Boot from LAN. If you really mean what you say, next time you won't have to." "*sob* okay..."
Alternative: Leave the password printed in big letters around. Let only the user know how to read it. See topic of this post. R:UTP,wm,bm! Great password, isn't it? Just look around the user's seat for texts. They are there. Posters, manuals, regulations, brand names, directions, manuals. Something the user always has around them. Pick first letters of the words, retain capitalization, include all the semigraphics, optionally include 1337sp33ch pieces if it seems too weak. Instruct the user how to use. "Here, this book cover. It spells out your password." They won't forget.
I'm unlikely to report them to HR but I do have a standard "We know, please stop it" email that usually puts an end to it without any more official action.
"I'm using firefox+adblock and antivir just in case." "You're ok then. Share cooler finds."
By taking the time to explain things (knowing most users won't understand any of it to begin with), the users will know that you are interested (okay, some may feign interest) in their problems and the resolution.
More importantly, if you find out you can't fix it, they will believe you you can't fix it and won't blame it on you being a moron. "I've pinged the network card, it works, it's set up properly. Now I'm pinging the gateway. It responds. Let's try the neighbours. Yes, the guy upstairs has his computer running. Now trying the ISP gateway. Doesn't respond, see? It's their fault, their piece of the net is down. We can call them, but most likely they know already and work on it, so we would just slow them down. For now I advise patiently waiting for the networt to go back up. I'm leaving the ping to the ISP on, if it starts showing what the others shown, the net is back up. Bye."
ad 1) You KNOW you NEED a 200GB drive. Ask your boss for a 200GB drive and you'll get 160GB that 'ought to be enough with current budget'. Ask for 250GB and you'll get your 200GB. ad 2) Scotch isn't "in" around here. The standard fee is 0.5l vodka. ad 3) I hate my new motherboard for lacking an ISA slot. Good-bye SoundBlaster 16, goodbye ultimate compatiblity! ad 4) I do come. Examine the problem. Then embarass them by giving a lesson: "You can fix that by yourself. Just try." and guide them through very gentle pushes ("Read the requester. No, don't click "OK", no, don't click "Cancel". Just read what it says. Out loud... Now what should you click?" showing them they really do and that calling me was really dumb. ad 5) Never. I actually give them their own account if they want in. adduser joe, passwd joe, type in your password, joe, there you are. Finished? deluser joe. or even leave his account if no risk and I saw what he types as password is secure. I may pass the console, never the password. And never ask for password either, just hand over the keyboard, or use some backdoor. Part of the etiquette. ad 6) Don't protect the system from breaking, just make recovery trivial. Easy to recover backups. Best if made foolproof enough for the users to use themselves. You see he screwed up royally? Boot from CD, ltell him to recover the disk from backup. "It will guide you through the process by hand." Two hours of staring at progressbars running across the screen and clicking "ok" cure such ailments as you mention. Except if he's your boss.
Don't hang the hub by the cables, no matter how thick the ethernet and tiny and tiny the hub. Don't let 2m of cable hang from the switch on the high shelf down to the hole by the floor. It will work the first month or two, then will start to mysteriously fail. The most basic reason behind all these ports failing is that the cable puts stress on a port. Just attach all the cables half a meter away from the hub with ducttape or nails or staples or whatever, don't let them hang though, keep them loose, always leave at least minimal slack.
No, and AFAIK it's used (or at least was prototyped) in some experimental/stealth ships/submarines, in the army. If you want to shoot water in air, it will sprinkle into tiny droplets slowable over several centimeters really fast though, and you need to provide huge amounts of electricity (simply a nuclear power plant) to maintain a continuous stream. The idea is that given metal thick enough and enough electricity over time short enough you can achieve pretty much arbitrary (within reason...) speeds, so just add capacitors until the rails start melting.
feels more like Spielberg's AI world, with all that "cute" yet inherently scary in its underlying, almost sensibly evil technology. You can almost feel the ball to drop to the floor, break and recall thought to be long-erased family pics of your evil uncle, posing with your wife and daughter whom he later murdered.
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If something goes wrong you would want it to "do something sensible", not stop the OS and expect the operator to take over.
If something goes wrong, most of known operating systems will usually continue to do what they were doing, oblivious to the danger, because it happens (Murphy's law) just beyond their sensor range. What you want it to do has nothing in common with what it will do. Despite best intentions of the engineers.
A heavy push on the control column will do that on most aircraft.
Something you want to do especially when the wheels are lifting from the runway?
Find me a 16MHz SGI machine, or whatever RISC hard-on chip you like from back then, and I'll take a 300MHz Pentium 2 and stomp it into shit.
:P
o ft_Made_in_the_Xbox_Security_System#The_A20_Hack
I said -usable- speed.
I'll take my Amiga 600 with 2MB of RAM, switch it on, load Workbench in 12 seconds, then will be editing an image in DeluxePaint in another 10 seconds, with music playing in the background.
Do the same with Windows XP and a gfx program of your choice on a 300MHZ CPU. Try this even on a 4GHZ CPU. With 64MB RAM
Sure Amiga is poor at number crunching, but good I/O made for great, fast, responsive, comfortable user interface, and easy programming resulted in fast, short, efficient programs. Programming PC is a hell, so different toolboxes, APIs etc were made to make it easier, and they are horribly heavyweight. Result? What on some 4 MIPS took 10 cycles, on 4 GIPS takes 20,000.
PC won, it's a fact. Not by quality or performance, but by right marketing decisions. Apple didn't tackle the opportunity to lower prices and go out to the masses, and others died due to stagnation and horrible marketing. And that's the only reason why I can't have "these things he was talking about". Because good design is dead, ugly hack rules.
The name of the game wasn't DOS/IBM, except in business/office environment. Times of DOS were times of variety. DOS for office, Mac and Amiga for studio, 8-bit toys for kids, VAXes, SGIs and all the other big iron for universities and computational centres. Amstrad, Commodore, Atari, Spectrum, Tandy, hundreds of brand names. IBM was nowhere near the top. Before it gained domination, DOS was dead. Win311 was dying. IBM was on the treshold of bankruptcy. The market got flooded with cheap taiwaneese clones. The name of the game was Win95 and Pentium.
I don't even understand how since the XBox should have been faulted into 32-bit protected mode
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/17_Mistakes_Micros
Nice?
Start is actually easier than landing. If everything goes according to the procedure, it's one of the simplest maneuvres. The problem is it's most risky part, that is many things may go wrong, the plane is most failure-prone, there are lots and lots accidents waiting to happen. An autopilot would have zero problems taking off, but you need a human at the controls in case something goes wrong, and if it does, better if you don't have to waste time on switching the autopilot off. Besides, since it's easy, not much work for the pilot if everything goes smoothly, autopilot not so needed.
Sorry, bullshit.
PCs were the office market for a LONG time. Only sometime around Pentium MMX they started becoming home computers. Mainly because of horrible marketing of Commodore and high price tag on Apple.
If you wanted a graphical program, you would stay FAR AWAY from PCs. Amiga or Mac for drawing, modelling, SGI for rendering. Amiga 4000 served in multiple TV stations long after PentiumII entered the market, because it was far superior. Software like Scala Multimedia was used till early 00's in major TV stations.
Sure, spreadsheets, databases, text processors, these were all in domain of PC. AutoCAD too. But few others, and no professional graphician would take a PC seriously as a work tool before 98 or so. And around 96, Amiga got a new lease of life in form of AmosPRO. A language so easy everyone could use it, so powerful it allowed access to deepest resources of the computer easily, and pretty fast to that. PC was nowhere near there then, writing apps for Win95 was a horrible process. Sure there was more RAM and CPU power, but even the fastest PC CPUs couldn't move chunks of screen around as fast as Amiga's dedicated hardware. A Pentium MMX 166 was barely comparable to a 16MHz Amiga 1200 in means of usable speed. And thanks to some hardware hacks, everything looked vastly better on Amiga. Take this simple invention, "round pixels". Hardware would smooth the edges of pixels, making two adjacent pixels a line, 4 pixels in a block a circle etc. Squarish 320x200 in 256 colors on VGA looked HORRIBLE - square bricks - comparing to smooth, no pixels visible, Amiga's 320x256 in Halfbrite (64 colors).
Amiga didn't die because it was worse. It died because it didn't get enough updates, growth. Commodore didn't release anything better, while PCs were improving. Macs never gained much of the market because they were expensive. And for too long, 'toy computers'. PCs got cheap, available and raw power compensated for design shortcomings. Who wants great design of CPU that runs 16MHz when you can have 300MHz of worse design for the same price?
9/11 stalled the economic recovery.
It's quite long after 9/11. What direction is the economy going? What direction would it go if 9/11 didn't happen? The economical failure was inevitable and steps to distract people from it were taken. Who cares about the economy if the enemy attacks the country?
Did the plane fall by itself? Just because? The first news claimed it crashed. Later more and more news were saying it was shot down. Hard to tell which one is true by now. All we can do is guessing. And shot down is my bet.
No.
Assume the above claims true and try to disprove them. Following the standard Holmes methods; tool, motives, place of crime etc.
First, pro-BinLaden proofs. A car with flight manuals in arabian left on the airport. As for me, reeks. Why the fuck would they take the manuals with themselves? They should know their stuff by heart by then, plus have some weeks of training in Flight Simulator, and if caught by a patrol with such a thing they would endanger the whole mission. IMHO way more likely, "evidence" planted by agents. Second proof, the tape. Found conveniently lost in a random demolished building, months after the attacks. Enough time and resources for the secret labs to doctor the whole tape, piece by piece. CGI is advanced enough, and VHS poor enough to hide all the smelly details.
Essentially, there's no solid proof it was Bin Laden, it could have been anyone with resources/influence, planting fake evidence.
Now moving over to the Bush=guilty theory. WTC could be considered spectacular enough to attract the world's attention, while being unimportant enough not to mean any serious loss for the government and military. Attack on Iraq and Afghanistan - thousands of tons of bombs dropped, huge income for the military industry, new contracts, emptying the stores of the aging, obsolete weapons and replacing with the modern ones. Panic, support for the "strong president", ability to reinforce Bush's position and defer the attention away from failing economy. Huge increase of influence of republicans. Wherever you look, you see profits for the Bush side. He would have far more motives for it than Bin Laden. And considering his today's actions against freedom, I doubt his conscience would stop him from killing 5000 innocents in the name of reinforcing the empire.
Enouh motives?
Tools - there's enough fanatical rightists. These who shot abortion clinics surgeons, members of KKK, neo-nazis. Enough to sacrifice their lives. By the way, the plane aimed at the White House was shot down... What incredible luck, isn't it? Or is it?
All the rest - victims (5000 american civilians, several hundreds of thousands of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus all the military who died in the conflicts), the place etc are obvious. Now just to find solid proofs. But if there are any, they are buried deep in archives of CIA, and Bush takes a good care so that anyone who would get too interested in that would vanish by the provisions of Patriot act.
Now please give me the motives of Slashdot administrators...
Damn you, man, you pay to fill the bong?! Grow your own, share, and use the saved money to get a bong caddy!
[horror movie music...]
No, not YET!!! HAHAHAHAHA!
[zoom out of a castle in a storm at night, mad hacker in the tower with raised hands, laughing]
Look, my ISP crapped out. Seems they moved to a slow backup line and now my net crawls like a snail. Effect? I click "slideshow". Wait for it to load. 3 minutes later it seems it started to actually load and I see the last page. I click "previous", after a moment of milling without displaying anything I'm back to the last page. I don't even get to click stop, it doesn't get displayed, before the page gets flipped and the next one starts loading.
Whoever made it was a total idiot.
Sorry, but that's a classified information.
Yes, it would. Just find some other home DC source of several kiloampers of current sufficient to last about a microsecond needed for the bullet to pass the rails. If you want good exit speed at the end of the relatively short rails, you must provide huge current.
The army doesn't play with capacitors, they just use a nuclear reactor to produce all the electricity they need for the sub.
"If I've never heard of it, you obviously don't need it."
Q: Why isn't there a Linux server the students could use?
A: Because the school budget can't afford purchasing this program.
Really happened.
%cd ~/someoldcrap
%ls
[all crap. Checked.]
%rm *
somecrap: permission denied.
%su -
Password:
#rm *^H^H^H^Hpwd
/
whoops?
Don't protect the system against the users, it's futile and painful.
Instead, make recovery simple enough and painless enough to yourself to make it a simple daily routine.
Preferably if it's painful enough to the users. Like, allow all computers to bootstrap from LAN, boot to backup recovery and click through the recovery process.
"My computer acts funny. It opens this big banner with "enlarge your, you know what" all over my screen..."
"Okay. You know the procedure. Boot from LAN..."
"Noooooo!"
"This is the only way to be sure. Do it."
"I won't, never again! Just please, come and fix it!"
"Boot from LAN. If you really mean what you say, next time you won't have to."
"*sob* okay..."
Alternative: Leave the password printed in big letters around. Let only the user know how to read it.
See topic of this post.
R:UTP,wm,bm!
Great password, isn't it?
Just look around the user's seat for texts. They are there. Posters, manuals, regulations, brand names, directions, manuals. Something the user always has around them. Pick first letters of the words, retain capitalization, include all the semigraphics, optionally include 1337sp33ch pieces if it seems too weak. Instruct the user how to use. "Here, this book cover. It spells out your password." They won't forget.
I'm unlikely to report them to HR but I do have a standard "We know, please stop it" email that usually puts an end to it without any more official action.
"I'm using firefox+adblock and antivir just in case."
"You're ok then. Share cooler finds."
- buy something that supports remote power cycle, or buy an external device like an APC masterswitch.
:)
Remember to unplug from serial port when probing for a new mouse.
nope. fark, recently.
By taking the time to explain things (knowing most users won't understand any of it to begin with), the users will know that you are interested (okay, some may feign interest) in their problems and the resolution.
More importantly, if you find out you can't fix it, they will believe you you can't fix it and won't blame it on you being a moron. "I've pinged the network card, it works, it's set up properly. Now I'm pinging the gateway. It responds. Let's try the neighbours. Yes, the guy upstairs has his computer running. Now trying the ISP gateway. Doesn't respond, see? It's their fault, their piece of the net is down. We can call them, but most likely they know already and work on it, so we would just slow them down. For now I advise patiently waiting for the networt to go back up. I'm leaving the ping to the ISP on, if it starts showing what the others shown, the net is back up. Bye."
ad 1) You KNOW you NEED a 200GB drive. Ask your boss for a 200GB drive and you'll get 160GB that 'ought to be enough with current budget'. Ask for 250GB and you'll get your 200GB.
ad 2) Scotch isn't "in" around here. The standard fee is 0.5l vodka.
ad 3) I hate my new motherboard for lacking an ISA slot. Good-bye SoundBlaster 16, goodbye ultimate compatiblity!
ad 4) I do come. Examine the problem. Then embarass them by giving a lesson: "You can fix that by yourself. Just try." and guide them through very gentle pushes ("Read the requester. No, don't click "OK", no, don't click "Cancel". Just read what it says. Out loud... Now what should you click?" showing them they really do and that calling me was really dumb.
ad 5) Never. I actually give them their own account if they want in. adduser joe, passwd joe, type in your password, joe, there you are. Finished? deluser joe. or even leave his account if no risk and I saw what he types as password is secure. I may pass the console, never the password. And never ask for password either, just hand over the keyboard, or use some backdoor. Part of the etiquette.
ad 6) Don't protect the system from breaking, just make recovery trivial. Easy to recover backups. Best if made foolproof enough for the users to use themselves. You see he screwed up royally? Boot from CD, ltell him to recover the disk from backup. "It will guide you through the process by hand." Two hours of staring at progressbars running across the screen and clicking "ok" cure such ailments as you mention. Except if he's your boss.
'kay, some AC copy that to get modded up, I'd have to wait 20 mins now to post as AC.8 d9cfeacb1084ea2/index.html
http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/66f8b01be1874f07
Don't hang the hub by the cables, no matter how thick the ethernet and tiny and tiny the hub. Don't let 2m of cable hang from the switch on the high shelf down to the hole by the floor. It will work the first month or two, then will start to mysteriously fail. The most basic reason behind all these ports failing is that the cable puts stress on a port. Just attach all the cables half a meter away from the hub with ducttape or nails or staples or whatever, don't let them hang though, keep them loose, always leave at least minimal slack.
No, and AFAIK it's used (or at least was prototyped) in some experimental/stealth ships/submarines, in the army. If you want to shoot water in air, it will sprinkle into tiny droplets slowable over several centimeters really fast though, and you need to provide huge amounts of electricity (simply a nuclear power plant) to maintain a continuous stream. The idea is that given metal thick enough and enough electricity over time short enough you can achieve pretty much arbitrary (within reason...) speeds, so just add capacitors until the rails start melting.
feels more like Spielberg's AI world, with all that "cute" yet inherently scary in its underlying, almost sensibly evil technology.
You can almost feel the ball to drop to the floor, break and recall thought to be long-erased family pics of your evil uncle, posing with your wife and daughter whom he later murdered.
http://www.brp.com/en-CA/Media.Center/Whats.New/1/ 09.07.2004.htm
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