Great. We're to be shafted by a massive white elephant.
Well, some people would say that Australia itself is a Great White Elephant - maybe it is looking forward to said shafting.
1. The true cost will be much greater than $43 billion. This figure - guaranteed to blow out anyway - includes no allowance for the interest and other borrowing charges that will be incurred by the project. The true cost may be greater than $200 billion.
Anybody with a keyboard can pontificate mindlessly. The fact is that the "magic 43 billion dollars" was *always* "the government are willing to spend up to", it was not a budget it was not a costing estimate it was a "we will not contribute more than". It's entirely possible it may cost more, it may cost less, but The Government said THEY will not spend more than 43B.
2. Funding sources for the project have not been defined. The Government's exposure is 20-something million in initial investment, with the remainder supposed to come from the private sector. Especially given the failure of other public-private-partnerships (Brisbane, Sydney...) who would be foolish enough to tip billions into another government stuff-up?
You're all a pack of retards! This is an infrastructure build, it will cost more money than it directly generates as revenue. Like ROADS, RAIL, ELECTRICITY and WATER/SEWERAGE infratructure projects. However, it will NOT be worth NOT BUILDING IT (in the long term).
3. The NBN will be superseded by newer technologies within its implementation timeframe, and we'll be stuck with expensive crap.
Sure, eventually we'll have The Ansible communications, enabling real-time infinite-bandwidth communications between points many many light years apart, but not in my lifetime. *EVENTUALLY* Fibre as a communications medium will be superseeded, but not in my lifetime, not in yours, not in your great-grandchildrens.
4. Australians will stick with their (possibly) slower current technology services when given the alternative of a faster, but significantly more expensive solution.
Sure some people will. The world is full of retards and the poor. You will*never* achieve 100% market-penetration. NEVER!
5. While the projected NBN speeds look good on paper, they'll be constrained by overseas pipes for the content people REALLY want to see.
Yes, to an extent, but recently that has begun to change a lot.
6. The projected NBN speeds still won't be delivered to most of the Australian continent. City users may get high speeds, but a very large number of rural citizens will get nothing.
Most of the continent has literally zero population per square kilometer, so yes MOST of the continent (by area) will not be covered.
The Music and Movie industry will (one day) regret that they instigated a never ending escalating arms race against *everyone*.
It is a bad business model to go out of your way to piss off *the entire known universe*.
One day somebody with enough brains and too much anger will trump your sorry ass and you will take *years* to recover (even slightly) from the mountain of suffering that will be unleashed against you.
Have these people forgotten Nagasaki and Hiroshima? EVENTUALLY somebody says "STFU or I *will* make you regret it".
If you're so completely retarded that you get yourself killed because you were listening to music/focussed on facebooking your ipod/updating your PING in iTunes - then SERIOUSLY YOU DESERVE TO DIE, the gene pool is better off without you.
From TFA: "He appealed for 'the ultimate solution', which was a music market place."
Godwin's Law prevents me from describing what I think he wants that market place to be like.
Certainly the number of inventions and works of art has increased since they were introduced
Yes, but not necessarily as a RESULT of copyrights.
Corelation does not prove causation.
Seriously folks - WORLD POPULATION HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE THE INTRODUCTION OF CHEAP AND EASILY AVAILABLE CONTRACEPTIVES..... but that DOES NOT imply that (A) was caused by (b).
IN Fact *many* (many many many) people would argue that BITCH-FIGHTING OVER COPYRIGHTS has caused more harm than good, has ruined many a good creative opportunity, and destroyed what little goodwill a once thriving industry had.
It's amazing what gets tagged "insightful" these days.
Talk about low-barrier-to-entry.
Ipv6 multihoming can't be done without BGP
Without BGP you should *never* have been multihoming in the first place, even on IPv4 - what you were doing previously was an EVIL DIRTY HACK that just happened to work well enough.
And it's NOT like "doing BGP" is hard, or expensive. SURE if you want to get "full internet routes" from multiple upstreams that takes a decent processor and a fair chunk of RAM, but you were NOT getting that (ie full internet routes from multiple upstreams) with IPv4-and-not-BGP before, so lets do a REAL comparison.
IPv6, BGP, announce MY IP address block, accept THE DEFAULT from my upstream = maybe 15 minutes of work, and pretty much *ANY* not-just-a-crappy-mass-market-router can do it. SURE belkin/netgear/dlink/etc do not sell a mass-market $10 "dsl modem/router/wireless gateway/firewall does-everything" box which understands BGP but if you're MAN ENOUGH to want multihomed internet connectivity then you're MAN ENOUGH to spend more than $100 on a router.
Copyright doesn't protect inventors, it protects artists works...
Absolute RUBBISH! Copyrights protect the greedy multinational megacorps who squeeze "artists" for every breath they take and then rape any end-user who even *thinks* more than two consecutive notes from a tune.,br>,br>Seriously folks, get your facts straight before you post.
.... and yes, before you all start WHINING, I do understand what copyrights are supposed to be protecting.
Tony is a luddite, that's the correct term for people of his nature.
That he's pretty much a religious nutcase and general embarrassment to the country is a well known fact but every political party *must* have a leader.
Unfortunately Stephen Conroy is also a religious freak. Not to mention a complete WHORE for votes.
Yes, that's right, I said it -> Stephen Conroy is a complete whore for votes.
That's where The Great Internet Censorship Program comes from - The Party sold their political soul to a pack of self-righteous religious extremists who believe that "Teh Innnertubes R EVIL". LITERALLY promised to FORCE the censorship regime on this country in return for a steaming pile of religious freak votes.
A vote for Labour and Stephen Conroy is a vote for a Theocracy, a vote for Terrorism.
If that's the kind of country you want go and live in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel they're all for Theocracy there, you'll be welcomed with open arms.
Sorry folks, but "insane" is expecting "wireless" (of any sort) to be able to compete over the long term against fibre.
For a start, keep in mind that without fibre, all those "wireless" comms are going to hit a base station/cell-tower and go literally NOWHERE.
Secondly, "wireless" is a shared-medium, you're limited by available spectrum as well as real-world (ie practical) simultaneous-use limits (eg # channels supported in each cell tower).
Wireless is *ideal* for low-density/long-distance coverage technologies, and *practically useless* (by comparison) for any real-world high-density inner-city deployment.
We're *already* , TODAY seeing issues with the number of *purely mobile* users on cellular/wireless networks, imagine HOW MUCH WORSE that would be if *every* "fixed" internet connection today was also trying to use that same (magical) wireless access technology.
So you're suggesting that we should not (or, at least not even try) because our current technology is "not there yet"? That pushing the boundaries of what is possible today is not a good thing? That "the chance" we *might* make things worse here is *MUCH* more important than the absolute certainty that if we do not leave this planet our species will reach extinction? (admittedly, eventually, but it's still *GUARANTEED*)
In which case WHY did we leave the trees in the first place?
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With their budget surplus, handled economy, and this? I may be moving my ass there.
We don't want your ass here, we've already voted a pair of asses into power.
Great. We're to be shafted by a massive white elephant.
Well, some people would say that Australia itself is a Great White Elephant - maybe it is looking forward to said shafting.
1. The true cost will be much greater than $43 billion. This figure - guaranteed to blow out anyway - includes no allowance for the interest and other borrowing charges that will be incurred by the project. The true cost may be greater than $200 billion.
Anybody with a keyboard can pontificate mindlessly. The fact is that the "magic 43 billion dollars" was *always* "the government are willing to spend up to", it was not a budget it was not a costing estimate it was a "we will not contribute more than". It's entirely possible it may cost more, it may cost less, but The Government said THEY will not spend more than 43B.
2. Funding sources for the project have not been defined. The Government's exposure is 20-something million in initial investment, with the remainder supposed to come from the private sector. Especially given the failure of other public-private-partnerships (Brisbane, Sydney ...) who would be foolish enough to tip billions into another government stuff-up?
You're all a pack of retards! This is an infrastructure build, it will cost more money than it directly generates as revenue. Like ROADS, RAIL, ELECTRICITY and WATER/SEWERAGE infratructure projects. However, it will NOT be worth NOT BUILDING IT (in the long term).
3. The NBN will be superseded by newer technologies within its implementation timeframe, and we'll be stuck with expensive crap.
Sure, eventually we'll have The Ansible communications, enabling real-time infinite-bandwidth communications between points many many light years apart, but not in my lifetime. *EVENTUALLY* Fibre as a communications medium will be superseeded, but not in my lifetime, not in yours, not in your great-grandchildrens.
4. Australians will stick with their (possibly) slower current technology services when given the alternative of a faster, but significantly more expensive solution.
Sure some people will. The world is full of retards and the poor. You will*never* achieve 100% market-penetration. NEVER!
5. While the projected NBN speeds look good on paper, they'll be constrained by overseas pipes for the content people REALLY want to see.
Yes, to an extent, but recently that has begun to change a lot.
6. The projected NBN speeds still won't be delivered to most of the Australian continent. City users may get high speeds, but a very large number of rural citizens will get nothing.
Most of the continent has literally zero population per square kilometer, so yes MOST of the continent (by area) will not be covered.
All claims aside, you'd be horrified at how much content *MUST* be individually hauled across the phorkin-huge pond between US and DownUndahLand.
For a start "the internet" is more than just the google-indexable WWW, and carries more protocols than JUST HTTP.
If you're not passing any legislation, perhaps what you need is more fibre?
That's not going to chase anyone out of their homes.
Except for certain low-lying island nations in the pacific, but fsck'em why should we care?
Scientists are always wrong.
That is, until one of them gets it right.
One minute you're talking about
a grain of salt
and next minute you're talking about
pound lumps
This Mish-mash of units-of-measurements rivals the days when NASA was bombarding Mars (as it happens, unexpectedly).
The Music and Movie industry will (one day) regret that they instigated a never ending escalating arms race against *everyone*.
It is a bad business model to go out of your way to piss off *the entire known universe*.
One day somebody with enough brains and too much anger will trump your sorry ass and you will take *years* to recover (even slightly) from the mountain of suffering that will be unleashed against you.
Have these people forgotten Nagasaki and Hiroshima? EVENTUALLY somebody says "STFU or I *will* make you regret it".
And lets not forget the corollary:
LAWS do not stop people doing things (see drugs, illegal, the continued use of).
LAWS just allow POLICE to arrest you, and LIFE INSURANCE people to reject your payout.
I want to invoke DARWINS LAW.
If you're so completely retarded that you get yourself killed because you were listening to music/focussed on facebooking your ipod/updating your PING in iTunes - then SERIOUSLY YOU DESERVE TO DIE, the gene pool is better off without you.
From TFA: "He appealed for 'the ultimate solution', which was a music market place." Godwin's Law prevents me from describing what I think he wants that market place to be like.
I've read The Ultimate Solution, and that's not a world I want to live in.
Thom Yorke needs to smack him upside the head with some facts.
Inna sock padded with a large brick?
I have to break it to you, there IS no such thing as "the british (or otherwise) music industry".
Music "artists" today are DUMB WHORES, most of them FAR TOO STUPID to understand how badly THEY ARE BEING FUCKED BY THEIR INDUSTRY.
This world would be FAR better off if THE ROCK THAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS paid a visit to these corporate douchebags.
There seems to be damned little effort to fix the problems.
Well, yes - it's STILL against the law to savagely murder every lawyer on the planet, so what else can we do?
Certainly the number of inventions and works of art has increased since they were introduced
Yes, but not necessarily as a RESULT of copyrights.
.... but that DOES NOT imply that (A) was caused by (b).
Corelation does not prove causation.
Seriously folks - WORLD POPULATION HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE THE INTRODUCTION OF CHEAP AND EASILY AVAILABLE CONTRACEPTIVES.
IN Fact *many* (many many many) people would argue that BITCH-FIGHTING OVER COPYRIGHTS has caused more harm than good, has ruined many a good creative opportunity, and destroyed what little goodwill a once thriving industry had.
Talk about low-barrier-to-entry.
Ipv6 multihoming can't be done without BGP
Without BGP you should *never* have been multihoming in the first place, even on IPv4 - what you were doing previously was an EVIL DIRTY HACK that just happened to work well enough.
And it's NOT like "doing BGP" is hard, or expensive. SURE if you want to get "full internet routes" from multiple upstreams that takes a decent processor and a fair chunk of RAM, but you were NOT getting that (ie full internet routes from multiple upstreams) with IPv4-and-not-BGP before, so lets do a REAL comparison.
IPv6, BGP, announce MY IP address block, accept THE DEFAULT from my upstream = maybe 15 minutes of work, and pretty much *ANY* not-just-a-crappy-mass-market-router can do it. SURE belkin/netgear/dlink/etc do not sell a mass-market $10 "dsl modem/router/wireless gateway/firewall does-everything" box which understands BGP but if you're MAN ENOUGH to want multihomed internet connectivity then you're MAN ENOUGH to spend more than $100 on a router.
the business of fucking you in the arse.
Ya know, some people quite happily pay extra for that.
Actually, merde means what it means, whether or not the end-listener understands that meaning.
Copyright doesn't protect inventors, it protects artists works ...
Absolute RUBBISH! Copyrights protect the greedy multinational megacorps who squeeze "artists" for every breath they take and then rape any end-user who even *thinks* more than two consecutive notes from a tune.,br>,br>Seriously folks, get your facts straight before you post.
.... and yes, before you all start WHINING, I do understand what copyrights are supposed to be protecting.
Tony is a luddite, that's the correct term for people of his nature.
That he's pretty much a religious nutcase and general embarrassment to the country is a well known fact but every political party *must* have a leader.
Unfortunately Stephen Conroy is also a religious freak. Not to mention a complete WHORE for votes.
Yes, that's right, I said it -> Stephen Conroy is a complete whore for votes.
That's where The Great Internet Censorship Program comes from - The Party sold their political soul to a pack of self-righteous religious extremists who believe that "Teh Innnertubes R EVIL". LITERALLY promised to FORCE the censorship regime on this country in return for a steaming pile of religious freak votes.
A vote for Labour and Stephen Conroy is a vote for a Theocracy, a vote for Terrorism.
If that's the kind of country you want go and live in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel they're all for Theocracy there, you'll be welcomed with open arms.
No reason why Akamai, YouTube and Google can't have local caches.
Akamai puts caches pretty much close to *everywhere*, even in Down Under Land.
I personally dunno to what extent Google and YouTube park infrastructure of any sort Down Below.
Sorry folks, but "insane" is expecting "wireless" (of any sort) to be able to compete over the long term against fibre.
For a start, keep in mind that without fibre, all those "wireless" comms are going to hit a base station/cell-tower and go literally NOWHERE.
Secondly, "wireless" is a shared-medium, you're limited by available spectrum as well as real-world (ie practical) simultaneous-use limits (eg # channels supported in each cell tower).
Wireless is *ideal* for low-density/long-distance coverage technologies, and *practically useless* (by comparison) for any real-world high-density inner-city deployment.
We're *already* , TODAY seeing issues with the number of *purely mobile* users on cellular/wireless networks, imagine HOW MUCH WORSE that would be if *every* "fixed" internet connection today was also trying to use that same (magical) wireless access technology.
So you're suggesting that we should not (or, at least not even try) because our current technology is "not there yet"? That pushing the boundaries of what is possible today is not a good thing? That "the chance" we *might* make things worse here is *MUCH* more important than the absolute certainty that if we do not leave this planet our species will reach extinction? (admittedly, eventually, but it's still *GUARANTEED*)
In which case WHY did we leave the trees in the first place?
Cue attemps by random /.ers to hack into The Hawking Box and reprogram his pre-programmed soundbytes.