My thoughts exactly. Either it will be agreed to in the purchase of the computer, or the retailer will charge them $30-$100? to uninstall the software before it leaves the store.
How do you think? They didn't order a burger, they looked at the menu, saw that it came with cheese and ordered it anyway and then demand a refund for the cheese they don't want. It just so happens that the establishment making the burger doesn't customize it to their wants. If you want something customized, you can buy elsewhere or make it yourself.
I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why this is a problem. Especially for an OS that caters to those who usually are more adept at building their own computers.
Not one bit. It's like ordering a cheeseburger and receiving a cheeseburger for the advertised price. There is no trickery going on here or extra purchases for the OS.
If you don't want a cheeseburger from dell, hp, Lenovo, etc, then don't buy a cheeseburger from those vendors.
Absolutely correct. They can buy whatever they want, including not the one in front of them that doesn't meet their OS requirements.
How about this. Car X in front of me works perfectly, but comes with some bells and whistles I won't use or need. I buy said car, and remove those parts and ask for a refund...probably not gonna happen. OR, I can go find a car that meets my needs and purchase it.
Ha, I thought it was all highs and lows and no mid range, must be bose. Then again, they don't hit those either very well. I had 2 acoustimass 3s for about 10 years, then started to replace with bowers and wilkins and was amazed at what I wasn't hearing with the other speakers. Totally different soundscape now.
Yes, because it's an additional servic with more offerings. You make it sound like netflix pays for some shitty internet connect and won't pony up the cash for a bigger pipe. If they are paying for the appropriate bandwidth, then this problem is on the ISP(comcast/verizon) and since I am paying for a certain level of service, I shouldn't have a problem watching netflix.
So why is Microsoft's fault that oems see that consumers want windows and pre-install it? Oems don't want to ship a computer to stores that don't work out of the box. Maybe the answer you're looking for isn't to blame msoft but the market and why someone hasn't stepped in to provide a linux alternative in stores.
No one, I repeat, no one wants to buy a computer that doesn't work out of box. You have 3 choices. Overpriced macs, same hard as mac windows machines for hundreds less, building the computer yourself for almost the same price as the windows machines and still needing to purchase or install an os.
Ever try hackintosh? Don't, works like shit. Mac OS is not free. Do people really think a mediocre i5 and mid range nvidia card with 4gb ram really costs $1500? Get outta here!
Yes, anyone can hire someone to create a piece of software to do what you want, but why reinvent the wheel every single time?! Also makes compatibility and support almost non-existent.
So after reading up on the monopoly history of Microsoft regarding windows, I find a couple things contradictory.
1 - Microsoft was accused of anti-trust practices for undercutting other OS bundled with other software(Norton/DVD burning software/etc) to lower price. Side note, it's PC manufactures that decide this part, not Microsoft. 2 - Microsoft was then accused of bundling their software(media player/ie) as not giving competition a shot at market share.
Meanwhile 1 - Macs bundle their software(quick time/safari/etc) with their computers for an insanely high price and they are treated as a well oiled user experience. 2 - linux has free software that is usually not full featured and may perform certain functions very well.
So what's happening here is since Microsoft has a large foot print, they get beat when trying to lower price with bundled 3rd party apps, then gets beat because it comes with a full user experience, and now STILL gets beat because it's still considered a monopoly by internet people 10 years after the last judgement was handed down.
Now, about the Microsoft tax. Why can't pc manufactures sell pcs with an os on it? Those who don't want a pc with an os have lots of options available. Those who are want to buy a pc that they can start using right off the bat can buy either an expensive mac or a cheap windows machine. So now people want to piss on Microsoft again and say they don't want the os?! Wtf are they going to buy from pc manufactures that want to offer a full product? It's already been mentioned that some companies have tried the linux route and failed, what other option do they have?
Nice! I didn't take any taxis while I was in Italy(rented car) so I can't comment on the European taxi quality but it sounds like the taxis in Berlin are nice.
Is there a way to easily get one or do they require you to call one provider or stand on the road for one to pass?
Ha, i dont konw what taxis you get into but the ones in chicago are usually in pretty bad shape. Brakes sound like they need to be changed, AC RARELY works and most times the smell is nauseating.
I have had some bad Uber-x cars as well but since they are owned by one person, they usually are able to take better care of it beyond what the Taxis that run 24/7 with different drivers are able to do.
The argument over rape/killer always gets me. When ever you get into an uber car, it automatically sends you the driver info to your email account and registers it with uber.
When ever I get into a taxi, I have to take the name and number down, then email or text it to a friend to make sure they dont do the same.
Did you know most people dont do that? How many times have you gotten into a cab and not remembered who the driver was? Or the Taxi number for that? Wouldnt it be nice if there was a system that automatically logged it all? I wonder which one does that, the "regulated" taxi or the "unregulated" uber.
Are you talking about the EU or US? Just giving an example but most of Chicago uses it. From hipsters to soccer moms to loop business professionals to college students.
Might be different in Berlin tho!
And yes, Lyft is the "hipster" one. I dont like those.
I would like to direct this more towards those that talking about bundling and being forced into it. if it makes it cheaper, i dont underdtand the problem. no one can force you into a higher priced bundle.
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My thoughts exactly. Either it will be agreed to in the purchase of the computer, or the retailer will charge them $30-$100? to uninstall the software before it leaves the store.
Not seeing how this is a win for consumers.
Does the second contract in question require any additional purchases?
How do you think? They didn't order a burger, they looked at the menu, saw that it came with cheese and ordered it anyway and then demand a refund for the cheese they don't want. It just so happens that the establishment making the burger doesn't customize it to their wants. If you want something customized, you can buy elsewhere or make it yourself.
I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why this is a problem. Especially for an OS that caters to those who usually are more adept at building their own computers.
Not one bit. It's like ordering a cheeseburger and receiving a cheeseburger for the advertised price. There is no trickery going on here or extra purchases for the OS.
If you don't want a cheeseburger from dell, hp, Lenovo, etc, then don't buy a cheeseburger from those vendors.
Go to town
http://www.computershopper.com...
Absolutely correct. They can buy whatever they want, including not the one in front of them that doesn't meet their OS requirements.
How about this. Car X in front of me works perfectly, but comes with some bells and whistles I won't use or need. I buy said car, and remove those parts and ask for a refund...probably not gonna happen. OR, I can go find a car that meets my needs and purchase it.
Ha, I thought it was all highs and lows and no mid range, must be bose. Then again, they don't hit those either very well. I had 2 acoustimass 3s for about 10 years, then started to replace with bowers and wilkins and was amazed at what I wasn't hearing with the other speakers. Totally different soundscape now.
Maybe you need the lesson. As something becomes less expensive to produce, the cost donest go up, it usually goes down.
Gas is a good indicator of this. Telephone service as well. The one that doesn't tho for some reason is internet...
Yes, because it's an additional servic with more offerings. You make it sound like netflix pays for some shitty internet connect and won't pony up the cash for a bigger pipe. If they are paying for the appropriate bandwidth, then this problem is on the ISP(comcast/verizon) and since I am paying for a certain level of service, I shouldn't have a problem watching netflix.
Exactly
How about we compare iOS to Android instead. I would be interested in seeing those numbers.
So why is Microsoft's fault that oems see that consumers want windows and pre-install it? Oems don't want to ship a computer to stores that don't work out of the box. Maybe the answer you're looking for isn't to blame msoft but the market and why someone hasn't stepped in to provide a linux alternative in stores.
No one, I repeat, no one wants to buy a computer that doesn't work out of box. You have 3 choices. Overpriced macs, same hard as mac windows machines for hundreds less, building the computer yourself for almost the same price as the windows machines and still needing to purchase or install an os.
Exactly! Quite bitching and learn, otherwise the common person needs a computer that's bundled!
So aren't you basically paying the apple tax with the hardware? Isn't that the same thing people are arguing about with windows desktops?!
Apple makes intel processors? Nvidia cards?
Ever try hackintosh? Don't, works like shit. Mac OS is not free. Do people really think a mediocre i5 and mid range nvidia card with 4gb ram really costs $1500? Get outta here!
So you want all computers to come without an OS, is that correct?
Yes, anyone can hire someone to create a piece of software to do what you want, but why reinvent the wheel every single time?! Also makes compatibility and support almost non-existent.
So after reading up on the monopoly history of Microsoft regarding windows, I find a couple things contradictory.
1 - Microsoft was accused of anti-trust practices for undercutting other OS bundled with other software(Norton/DVD burning software/etc) to lower price. Side note, it's PC manufactures that decide this part, not Microsoft.
2 - Microsoft was then accused of bundling their software(media player/ie) as not giving competition a shot at market share.
Meanwhile
1 - Macs bundle their software(quick time/safari/etc) with their computers for an insanely high price and they are treated as a well oiled user experience.
2 - linux has free software that is usually not full featured and may perform certain functions very well.
So what's happening here is since Microsoft has a large foot print, they get beat when trying to lower price with bundled 3rd party apps, then gets beat because it comes with a full user experience, and now STILL gets beat because it's still considered a monopoly by internet people 10 years after the last judgement was handed down.
Now, about the Microsoft tax. Why can't pc manufactures sell pcs with an os on it? Those who don't want a pc with an os have lots of options available. Those who are want to buy a pc that they can start using right off the bat can buy either an expensive mac or a cheap windows machine. So now people want to piss on Microsoft again and say they don't want the os?! Wtf are they going to buy from pc manufactures that want to offer a full product? It's already been mentioned that some companies have tried the linux route and failed, what other option do they have?
Nice! I didn't take any taxis while I was in Italy(rented car) so I can't comment on the European taxi quality but it sounds like the taxis in Berlin are nice.
Is there a way to easily get one or do they require you to call one provider or stand on the road for one to pass?
Ha, i dont konw what taxis you get into but the ones in chicago are usually in pretty bad shape. Brakes sound like they need to be changed, AC RARELY works and most times the smell is nauseating.
I have had some bad Uber-x cars as well but since they are owned by one person, they usually are able to take better care of it beyond what the Taxis that run 24/7 with different drivers are able to do.
The argument over rape/killer always gets me. When ever you get into an uber car, it automatically sends you the driver info to your email account and registers it with uber.
When ever I get into a taxi, I have to take the name and number down, then email or text it to a friend to make sure they dont do the same.
Did you know most people dont do that? How many times have you gotten into a cab and not remembered who the driver was? Or the Taxi number for that? Wouldnt it be nice if there was a system that automatically logged it all? I wonder which one does that, the "regulated" taxi or the "unregulated" uber.
If its unknown, how can anyone make assumptions that either is safer than the other?
Are you talking about the EU or US? Just giving an example but most of Chicago uses it. From hipsters to soccer moms to loop business professionals to college students.
Might be different in Berlin tho!
And yes, Lyft is the "hipster" one. I dont like those.
I know this link doesnt apply to EU but its worth sharing. I can only assume a lot of the people that are commenting happen to live in the US as well.
http://blog.uber.com/rideshari...
This pertains to uber-x(regular cars), not the taxis and black car services that already have commercial insurance.
I would like to direct this more towards those that talking about bundling and being forced into it. if it makes it cheaper, i dont underdtand the problem. no one can force you into a higher priced bundle.