Debian users can start their desktop oriented, apt-get based, bells/whistles distro and leave Debian to people who actually enjoys truely free/truely configurable Linux distro.
Again, you or any debian contributor are not allowed to define what debian users should and how debian should be.
4. Our priorities are our users and free software: We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We will support the needs of our users for operation in many different kinds of computing environments.
The no RC bug ideal is sorta like the "no deaths in traffic" ideal
The problem with Debian RCs is that it has more than 15.000 packages and except for the "base system", all of them are equally important. So a RC bug in a crappy package that has 3 users is just as important as a RC in firefox/iceweasel, which lots of people use. It's stupid, but it's the way debian works.
Open source is about choice, but Debian is about providing a distro that does what most of their users are supposed to want. It's still a tyranny - the tyrany of democracy.
the debian that can be installed in 40 minutes is not the true debian.
Debian was NEVER supposed to be "difficult to use". This is something that has happened with the time - other distros became desktop-oriented and debian kept being power user-oriented.
It just happened, but that doesn't means that you shouldn't be able to install debian in 20 minutes. From the Debian social contract
4. Our priorities are our users and free software: We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We will support the needs of our users for operation in many different kinds of computing environments.
Debian users are asking for an easy to install/use, desktop oriented distro. The Debian project is just not providing such thing, so they go and choose other distros that actually listen to them, like ubuntu.
You haven't run modern linux distros for a while, don't you? Linux distros have been shipping SELinux for years, and not just "for fun" - they wouldn't go through the pain of including it if they didn't use it.
Red Hat 4, which was released on February 2005 already used SELinux at least for: apache, dhcpd, mysqld, named, nscd, ntpd, portmap, postgres, snmpd, squid, syslogdm winbind. RHEL 5 (released today) probably adds more.
No, people still hasn't wrote SELinux rules for firefox. But boy, saying that "not too much of that has happened"...people has been there for years
They have AIGXL. AIGXL is preferred to XGL these days, because people thinks it's much easier to build the future 3d desktops starting with aixgl today.
They don't give you the compiled iso image, but the sources and modifications are there. But notice that even then it's NOT freely redistributable - you've to remove the redhat copyrighted contents (ie: red hat logos/name in the desktop background, installer, etc). The source code is there though, hence the comply the GPL, and the contribute back to the community (fe., red hat is the main contributor to linux kernel - glibc - gcc)
Duh, you mean that sun doesn't have automatic software updates turned by default? It's a stupid thing to do, even for servers - and "admins must test the update first" is not an excuse, I'd rather have something breaking than a security hole
There's a lot of things to learn for Solaris too (not just drivers). So both can learn things. All this can only be a good thing - the two most powerful operative systems of the world are GPL (just because Linux is going to keep GPL2 doesn't means anything) and both should be able to exchange code. Linux and solaris should be friends, the enemy here are non-GPL operative systems.
Well, there're lot of companies who are "patrons" of FSF. Google, Intel, Nokia, Cisco, IBM. So I don't think they're trying to buy anything - but it doesn't means they're super-pro-FSF either (just look who are the other "patron" corporations). Sun has been using FSF products for a lot of time, it was already time for Sun to do this. Not that this is a bad thing, but it looks like people understood "Sun is becoming FSF's right hand", which is far from true.
"Lusers" (as in: "people who uses windows") may find gnome more user friendly.
Now, linux geeks (including you, me and Linus) are NOT idiots. We know how to use computers. That's why many of us use kde. We're in 2007 and still gnome can't make thumnails of videos in the open dialog. It doesn't even has a thumbnail view in the open dialog, so you can see miniatures of all your jpg/avi/whatever files, instead of having to select every file to get a preview.
Lusers and geeks who like the overall usability improvements of gnome maybe can stand that. I can't.
Besides, KDE is, from a software design POV, way more clean than the C mess that gnome has become through the years. Real geeks like well designed software. Even if it costs them blood.
The other problem is that KDE is slow, REAL slow
Actually, KDE and GNOME eat the same amount of memory, according to some memory benchmarks pulished somewhat recently - and that's after more than a year of memory consumption improvement work by the gnome people (before that gnome ate some extra MB more than KDE)
They don't. Or the contrary. The whole "kernel community" is supposed to help to get those drivers, who knows if some of those people will be paid or not. I think that everybody, paid or not, should help to finish this project succesfully.
It's useful for kdump users. Kdump uses kexec to execute a new kernel in a non-standard localization of the memory. Until now kdump people used a different kernel that was compiled to be run in a different memory localization from the standard one. With this feature, you can use the same kernel to do a standard booting and a kexec boot without carring a additional kernel image around.
The kernel development model is optimized to make distros happy, not end users. Just like Gnome/KDE, BTW. This is because, well, in the Real World most of desktop/servers use (or should use) the kernel shipped by their distro. And because distros are who emply most of kernel hackers.
In other words, the previous development model made happy say 1% of people (you) and 99% unhappy (distros and hence people using distros). The current model makes 99% of people happy (distros) and 1% unhappy.
IMO it's was a good change. And if you don't like it, just use Opensolaris. There's nothing wrong with it.
And the best part : In order to decrypt the movie and play it, every player *HAS* to have the volume ke in memory or SIMD register for a short period of time.
Which is why Windows Vista adds a special type of processes: "protected processes": You can't look at the memory of those processes, you can't debug them, you can't do *anything* to them. Not even the antivirus software can look into them. And because the kernel can't load unsigned drivers, you can't do kernel tricks to jump the protections. Microsoft will use it to "protect" the processes that handle the DRM data or the final video. Not even the administrators can start them, your binary must be "microsoft certified" in order to get that spcial "protected process" flag.
(And yes: if hackers manage to run protected processes without getting a certificate from microsoft, the windows platform will get some funny viruses that can't be deleted by AV software)
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"When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!"
It's not about "using the GPU", QT4 is just much faster and eats less resources.
"When Qt designer was ported to Qt 4.0 - only the neccesary changes to make it compile - the libqt size decreased by 5%, Designer num relocs went down by 30%, mallocs use by 51%, and memory use by 15%. The measured Designer startup time went down by 18%"
Now try to imagine the savings for the whole KDE desktop
So wait - all this hard work that the gnome guys did during the last year to improve gnome resource usage only was able to bring it at the SAME level than KDE?
Unimpressed...KDE 3.X is in a "mainteinance" state because most of the KDE guys are working in KDE4, still gnome only was able to "catch up". And one of the reasons to use C instead of C++ (besides the "easier to make bindings" reason) wasn't that C++ was more "heavyweight"?
Why you think it's FUD? The guy basically argues that forcing sound card companies to encrypt the data from the memory to the sound card through the bus is a stupid idea that only increases costs and that consumers haven't asked it. IMO it's a good article.
In fact, if they only wasted the half of the time they wasted in DRM in security improvements...
I mean, if you read the DRM protection work...they completely redid everything that could break DRM, they break compatibility, they're even planning systems that need to re-do the hardware to require encryption on the *system*bus* just to keep hardware hackers from stealing contents at that place and hence making the DRM useless.....
If they had wasted all those efforts in improving security...vista would be the most secure consumer os available
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Do I not count?
Not more than any other average Debian user.
Debian users can start their desktop oriented, apt-get based, bells/whistles distro and leave Debian to people who actually enjoys truely free/truely configurable Linux distro.
Again, you or any debian contributor are not allowed to define what debian users should and how debian should be.
4. Our priorities are our users and free software: We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We will support the needs of our users for operation in many different kinds of computing environments.
The no RC bug ideal is sorta like the "no deaths in traffic" ideal
The problem with Debian RCs is that it has more than 15.000 packages and except for the "base system", all of them are equally important. So a RC bug in a crappy package that has 3 users is just as important as a RC in firefox/iceweasel, which lots of people use. It's stupid, but it's the way debian works.
Open source is about choice, but Debian is about providing a distro that does what most of their users are supposed to want. It's still a tyranny - the tyrany of democracy.
the debian that can be installed in 40 minutes is not the true debian.
Debian was NEVER supposed to be "difficult to use". This is something that has happened with the time - other distros became desktop-oriented and debian kept being power user-oriented.
It just happened, but that doesn't means that you shouldn't be able to install debian in 20 minutes. From the Debian social contract
4. Our priorities are our users and free software: We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We will support the needs of our users for operation in many different kinds of computing environments.
Debian users are asking for an easy to install/use, desktop oriented distro. The Debian project is just not providing such thing, so they go and choose other distros that actually listen to them, like ubuntu.
Not too much of that has happened.
You haven't run modern linux distros for a while, don't you? Linux distros have been shipping SELinux for years, and not just "for fun" - they wouldn't go through the pain of including it if they didn't use it.
Red Hat 4, which was released on February 2005 already used SELinux at least for: apache, dhcpd, mysqld, named, nscd, ntpd, portmap, postgres, snmpd, squid, syslogdm winbind. RHEL 5 (released today) probably adds more.
No, people still hasn't wrote SELinux rules for firefox. But boy, saying that "not too much of that has happened"...people has been there for years
They have AIGXL. AIGXL is preferred to XGL these days, because people thinks it's much easier to build the future 3d desktops starting with aixgl today.
Why, of course, here you have a link to Red Hat RHEL 5 sources.
They don't give you the compiled iso image, but the sources and modifications are there. But notice that even then it's NOT freely redistributable - you've to remove the redhat copyrighted contents (ie: red hat logos/name in the desktop background, installer, etc). The source code is there though, hence the comply the GPL, and the contribute back to the community (fe., red hat is the main contributor to linux kernel - glibc - gcc)
This isn't Joe's Bait Shop we're talking about...
Which is why I wouldn't like to have a system that doesn't patches security holes ASAP.
Duh, you mean that sun doesn't have automatic software updates turned by default? It's a stupid thing to do, even for servers - and "admins must test the update first" is not an excuse, I'd rather have something breaking than a security hole
There's a lot of things to learn for Solaris too (not just drivers). So both can learn things. All this can only be a good thing - the two most powerful operative systems of the world are GPL (just because Linux is going to keep GPL2 doesn't means anything) and both should be able to exchange code. Linux and solaris should be friends, the enemy here are non-GPL operative systems.
Well, there're lot of companies who are "patrons" of FSF. Google, Intel, Nokia, Cisco, IBM. So I don't think they're trying to buy anything - but it doesn't means they're super-pro-FSF either (just look who are the other "patron" corporations). Sun has been using FSF products for a lot of time, it was already time for Sun to do this. Not that this is a bad thing, but it looks like people understood "Sun is becoming FSF's right hand", which is far from true.
"Lusers" (as in: "people who uses windows") may find gnome more user friendly.
Now, linux geeks (including you, me and Linus) are NOT idiots. We know how to use computers. That's why many of us use kde. We're in 2007 and still gnome can't make thumnails of videos in the open dialog. It doesn't even has a thumbnail view in the open dialog, so you can see miniatures of all your jpg/avi/whatever files, instead of having to select every file to get a preview.
Lusers and geeks who like the overall usability improvements of gnome maybe can stand that. I can't.
Besides, KDE is, from a software design POV, way more clean than the C mess that gnome has become through the years. Real geeks like well designed software. Even if it costs them blood.
The other problem is that KDE is slow, REAL slow
Actually, KDE and GNOME eat the same amount of memory, according to some memory benchmarks pulished somewhat recently - and that's after more than a year of memory consumption improvement work by the gnome people (before that gnome ate some extra MB more than KDE)
Just wondering, how do these developers get paid?
They don't. Or the contrary. The whole "kernel community" is supposed to help to get those drivers, who knows if some of those people will be paid or not. I think that everybody, paid or not, should help to finish this project succesfully.
2.6.21 will have some nice speed improvements for KVM
It's useful for kdump users. Kdump uses kexec to execute a new kernel in a non-standard localization of the memory. Until now kdump people used a different kernel that was compiled to be run in a different memory localization from the standard one. With this feature, you can use the same kernel to do a standard booting and a kexec boot without carring a additional kernel image around.
Apparently yes. Man, you should buy new glasses.
You can make it behave that way if you want, but nobody forces you .
The kernel development model is optimized to make distros happy, not end users. Just like Gnome/KDE, BTW. This is because, well, in the Real World most of desktop/servers use (or should use) the kernel shipped by their distro. And because distros are who emply most of kernel hackers.
In other words, the previous development model made happy say 1% of people (you) and 99% unhappy (distros and hence people using distros). The current model makes 99% of people happy (distros) and 1% unhappy.
IMO it's was a good change. And if you don't like it, just use Opensolaris. There's nothing wrong with it.
And the best part : In order to decrypt the movie and play it, every player *HAS* to have the volume ke in memory or SIMD register for a short period of time.
Which is why Windows Vista adds a special type of processes: "protected processes": You can't look at the memory of those processes, you can't debug them, you can't do *anything* to them. Not even the antivirus software can look into them. And because the kernel can't load unsigned drivers, you can't do kernel tricks to jump the protections. Microsoft will use it to "protect" the processes that handle the DRM data or the final video. Not even the administrators can start them, your binary must be "microsoft certified" in order to get that spcial "protected process" flag.
(And yes: if hackers manage to run protected processes without getting a certificate from microsoft, the windows platform will get some funny viruses that can't be deleted by AV software)
Yeah, ed is the best!
"When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!!
Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!
ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!"
It's not about "using the GPU", QT4 is just much faster and eats less resources.
"When Qt designer was ported to Qt 4.0 - only the neccesary changes to make it compile - the libqt size decreased by 5%, Designer num relocs went down by 30%, mallocs use by 51%, and memory use by 15%. The measured Designer startup time went down by 18%"
Now try to imagine the savings for the whole KDE desktop
So wait - all this hard work that the gnome guys did during the last year to improve gnome resource usage only was able to bring it at the SAME level than KDE?
Unimpressed...KDE 3.X is in a "mainteinance" state because most of the KDE guys are working in KDE4, still gnome only was able to "catch up". And one of the reasons to use C instead of C++ (besides the "easier to make bindings" reason) wasn't that C++ was more "heavyweight"?
Why you think it's FUD? The guy basically argues that forcing sound card companies to encrypt the data from the memory to the sound card through the bus is a stupid idea that only increases costs and that consumers haven't asked it. IMO it's a good article.
We sure know the priority isn't security either
In fact, if they only wasted the half of the time they wasted in DRM in security improvements...
I mean, if you read the DRM protection work...they completely redid everything that could break DRM, they break compatibility, they're even planning systems that need to re-do the hardware to require encryption on the *system*bus* just to keep hardware hackers from stealing contents at that place and hence making the DRM useless.....
If they had wasted all those efforts in improving security...vista would be the most secure consumer os available