Why not use the technology (that probably killed some of these animals) to bring them back? It's understandable we should let natural extinction alone (Dinosaurs, mammoths, etc) but why not try to right our wrongs?
You are implying that there is such an event as an 'un-natural' extinction. This is false. Humans are part of nature, we are natural, anything we do is natural. The Dodo and this other Dog-Marsupial thing couldn't hack it in a world where humans were the dominant species, too bad. No one ever complains about dinosaurs or insects or ants or any other animals whiping out species in competition, but if humans destory something then it's 'un-natural' all of a sudden. Get some perspective you weirdos.
Whoever rated this as funny should have his moderator rights revoked for a month.
This is _NOT_ funny. We have destroyed so many species by either eating them or by declaring them as evil that even the top 10 list can make anyone sick.
Even if the australians do not succed it will still be great if they try. And hopefully be followed by someone else to reincarnate: 1. The dodo (Mauricius) 2. The travelling pigeon (USA) 3. The Berentz cow (Russia/USA) And many many more
And what I hope is that some anti-cloning maniacs following/seeking divine guidance will not try to throw a couple of molotov cocktails in the lab that do this work.
And yet, life goes on....
Contrary to what some whackos would like to believe, the world isn't going to end just because we wipe out a few thousand species. It hasn't yet and it won't anytime soon.
But in the end, linking to illegal things should stay illegal. I mean, if I post illegal mp3's, no matter what anyone says, I am in violation of the law. IP, copyright, whatever. Why should it be fine for someone to link to this data?
Ok, so with this in mind, if I create a website, and on this website I happen to link to all of my friends websites, and one of those friends has Mp3s on his page, then am I liable for any kind of criminal charges? I've provided information that will allow someone to obtain 'illegal' material, yet I doubt anyone is going to say that I'm liable for anything...
The lawsuit is rediculous, it should be thrown out of court.
Okay, so maybe I've lived an isolated life. I was born and raised in Boston. Went to college in Boston. Spent a year in Hamburg, but that's it. So I'm honestly wondering where all these censorship folks have been hiding all my life.
Seriously, how many people out there actually know someone who thinks we need a rating system to "save the kids" from the big bad internet? And how many of those people who support a rating system realize that it will rapidly be turned into a means for censorship, as the movie ratings were?
I grew up in the bible belt, Georgia, and I have honestly never met someone there who thought that the government should be doing anything to protect anyone really... Southerners in general tend to take care of themselves and prefer to make their own decisions, even the white trash red necks don't want the government telling them they can't keep 4 broken down cars in their yard.>:)
The easier solution to this is to contact your politicos. The Senate, House, and, ultimately, the President must endorse this for it to become law. I would think that it will also get an Unconstitutional vote from the Supreme Court.
I doubt this will be a law, more likely it will be a 'Voluntary Standard'. Which means your ISP will refuse to accept content form you if it isn't rated, because the phone companies will jack them over if they accept unrated content because the fundamentalist whackos will protest if the see anything offensive. Who needs Laws when you can have 'Standards'.
I guess the big difference would be that the/. moderation is voluntary, and is used to filter information...whereas the PICS system is voluntary, and is used to filter information?
Let's see here, if the slashdot moderation system worked like PICS I wouldn't be replying to your post because I never would have been able to see it. BUT, I have the choice of reading -1 comments, and I do. See? Big difference between ME choosing what I see and SOMEONE ELSE choosing what I see.
What, theatres don't have the right to determine which movies they want to show? News papers don't have the right to determine what kind of ads they want to print? This is just typical scare talk from the typical paranoia crowd. I saw Showgirls in the theatre (not that I'm proud of it or anything). If there is a buck to be made, you can bet someone will be there to collect it.
Ahhh! But did you see the R version or the NC-17 version?? Only the 'disreputable' theatres I've seen will play NC-17 movies. The big ones don't.
I'm afraid we have no say in the matter. These are not elected officials and they aren't held accountable to the people. They can implement pretty much any system they please without our approval. I'd say we're pretty much [Expletive Deleted in Conformance with PICS Standard] up beyond belief now... Anyone want to [Opposing Political View Deleted in Conformance with PICS Standard]?? Well, see you all [Possible Inflamatory Comment Deleted in Conformance with PICS Standard]
It would also make it easier to find official sites, since for a company like Ford(TM) would be at FORD.R.US or FORD.R, and you (initially) wouldn't have to worry about names like FORDCARS, FORDTRUCKS, etc.
I regret to inform you but your use of the domain name 'Ford.R.US' interferes with our 'Toys R US' Trademark. Please either remove this site or turn it over to us. >:)
I can just see that, every company registered in the US would get sued by Toys R Us.
I should be able to buy and sell all the domain names I damn well please on a first cone serve basis. If I PAY for 5000 domain names. They're fucking MINE, and I can resell them for any amount I want. Or maybe I will just sit on them. No one has to buy them. And if I am to assume ALL THE RISK (of not being able to sell them), then I should receive ALL THE PROFIT when I do make that one big killing.
Since this guy was moderated down as a troll I'm qouting his text for everyone's benefit. This is a legitimate concern. It is legal to purchase realestate and then sell it to businesses or individuals, why can't we do the same thing with domain names??? I don't see any problem with squatters, they had the good sense to get the name before you did, so you have to pay their price if you REALLY want the name. Perfectly reasonable.
I'm not sure if this is technologically possible, but a mature solution would be:
The small business gets a domain name like clue-computing-boston.com, Hasbro gets clue-hasbro-game.com, and somewhere there is a single web page under www.clue.com that says for Clue Computing of Boston click here, for the Hasbro Clue game click here, etc.
For an example of this type www.slashdot.com That will take you to one of those pages which then directs to here, or a few other places that use slashdot for some reason.
Hey DANJOE!!! >:) WoTC was a better company when it was 10-15 people coming up with good ideas and producing them. Now that it is a multi-national money machine it has gone so far down hill. First they dumbed down the game, then they shafted the hell out of their older players (us). I'm surprised anyone still plays... It's a great game if you play by say... 1997 rules, but all of the new stuff is just crap!
Kintanon ---Hangs out with Dan in MTG and harasses him.
I still have something like 4000 cards between FA and Stronghold... Trying to sell them off now, but because only about 1000 are tournament legal no one wants them...>:\
We're much more likely to see problems caused by idiots rather than computers. Think about what's probally already started happening. People are going to be buying more canned goods and other non-perishables. People are going to buy bomb shelters and take their money out of banks. Banks are going to go under, food prices will sky-rocket, as will any other materials used in a bomb shelter. Then guess what happens when jan 1st rolls around and the world hasn't exploded? Well with all of those non-perishables people aren't going to buy food, especially due to the increased prices because of the limited supply the day before. People aren't going to trust the banks with their money, after all, many went under because they weren't Y2K (read: moron) compliant.
Oh and we can't forget the inevitable rioting that's going to occur. Americans will use any excuse to riot. Your favorite team lost the world series, riot. Your favorite team won the world series, riot. Y2K aka armagedon is here, riot.
God bless morons one and all...
For anyone who doesn't think his scenario is possible, think about how many people are in the US alone, say 250 million (Probably more, but that was the last real number I heard), say 1 percent of those people are going to panic and riot on dec 31, that's 2.5 million people, say 100 thousand people in 25 major cities. That's a LOT of people rioting. Also, because of the way our financial system is designed if a big chunk of the middle class pulls their money out of the banks we have an instant economic disaster. The biggest danger to our society isn't from the actual Y2K problem, it's from the Y2K paranoia.
Speaking of those Pepsi cans, they have characters on those cans that I would SWEAR never showed up in the movie, at least not for more than 10 seconds. They are milking the hell out of that promo...
Here you all go talking about how the government shouldn't keep more information about it's people, the very day after you all were talking about what additional information Malda should keep on SlashDot regulars. Yea, well, it's OK for SlashDot to do it, but not the US Government?... Hmm... *whisper* Rob Malda Works for the CIA *
I'd say the key difference there is choice again. We can choose what info to give Rob, the Gov can just take whatever it wants.
Ok, perhaps I am a bit deluded. But I'm happy in that state.;) My view from north of the border might also affect my opinions.
However... I think our real difference here is the old philosophical battle of whether people are good or evil by nature. Much wiser and long dead people have effectively argued for both sides. It is really a personal choice of paradigm which decides which idea is correct. I personally believe that people are good by nature.
And while I am assuming people are good by nature, I did say that there are bad people by conditioning... thus, OF COURSE it's silly to say "Everyone is good and no one is a criminal and who needs this DB?"
I do think that a government of many can work, but perhaps not in the US. (I s'pose we could say that a democracy is actually a gov't of many... but that idea probably pertains more to socialism)
I must certainly agree that the current infrastructure is under-utilised. But that in itself does not necessarily mean that a new idea is useless.
Your a bit deluded and I'm a bit cynical, but at least we aren't apathetic and complacent like 90% of the US...>:) Maybe I see people as inherintly 'Bad' because I grew up with 10-12 small children who were 6-7 years younger than I was. I got to watch them fighting over the smallest things, eventually ridiculing and excluding people, and just being generally evil little buggers. Their earlier behaviour wasn't learned, it was their natural impulse. Some of their later behavior was learned, some of it was good, some was bad. But almost exclusively their 'Good' behavior was learned and their 'Bad' behavior came naturally.
If we had an actual democracy it might work, or an actual republic it might work, but the POS system we have now is slowly killing itself.
I never said that the idea was useless, but it's useless RIGHT NOW. We need to get all of the programs we currently have working decently before we come up with new ways to spend money and time.
Isn't there something about the "Mark of the Beast" in the Bible, where there would be something without which you can't buy or sell anything (or do anything at all, for that matter)? This looks suspiciously close. Bible Belters help me out.
Yup, Mark of the Beast in the back of the right hand or on the forehead. Mentioned in Revelation.
Your posts always have that choppy didactic quality.
Big words that seem like professional power tools that somehow have wandered into the posession of someone unsafe with anything more than a rather blunt screwdriver.
It's something I've noticed a lot with people who think they're underground, but it's just their head down there.
10 to 1 this was directed at me, but since nothing was qouted I can't be sure. My posts are choppy because I get phone calls in the middle of my paragraphs and have to run across a plant to fix things, by the time I get back I have to reform my thought processes and continue. If you want to judge people on the quality of their paragraph structure I'm afraid you won't find many people here that pass your test.
There are of course strong cultural biases here: I'm British, as were Swan and Colussus. I'm sure a Frenchman could tell you the two Frenchmen who invented the lightbulb & computer, and so on for other nationalities.
The important thing is that the Americans either: A. Bought it. B. Made it useful after someone else made it. C. Distributed it Widely.
Plenty of other countries came up with things, but they never bothered to put them to practicle usage. Like the Vikings who knew about America, they discovered it, they just didn't do anything practicle with it, so no one really cares.
Slashdot Mirror
Was that in reference to the 'Flowers for ALgernon' post that got moderated up to 4 (funny)??
Kintanon
Why not use the technology (that probably killed some of these animals) to bring them back? It's understandable we should let natural extinction alone (Dinosaurs, mammoths, etc) but why not try to right our wrongs?
You are implying that there is such an event as an 'un-natural' extinction. This is false. Humans are part of nature, we are natural, anything we do is natural. The Dodo and this other Dog-Marsupial thing couldn't hack it in a world where humans were the dominant species, too bad. No one ever complains about dinosaurs or insects or ants or any other animals whiping out species in competition, but if humans destory something then it's 'un-natural' all of a sudden. Get some perspective you weirdos.
Kintanon
Besides, how better to study evolution than to terraform a planet, stick a bunch of dinosaurs and cockroaches on it, and see what happens?
That's easy, first the Cockroaches kick the shit out of the dinosaurs, then they build spaceships, come back here, and eat us too!
Kintanon
Whoever rated this as funny should have his moderator rights revoked for a month.
This is _NOT_ funny. We have destroyed so many species by either eating them or by declaring them as evil that even the top 10 list can make anyone sick.
Even if the australians do not succed it will still be great if they try. And hopefully be followed by someone else to reincarnate:
1. The dodo (Mauricius)
2. The travelling pigeon (USA)
3. The Berentz cow (Russia/USA)
And many many more
And what I hope is that some anti-cloning maniacs following/seeking divine guidance will not try to throw a couple of molotov cocktails in the lab that do this work.
And yet, life goes on....
Contrary to what some whackos would like to believe, the world isn't going to end just because we wipe out a few thousand species. It hasn't yet and it won't anytime soon.
Kintanon
But in the end, linking to illegal things should stay illegal. I mean, if I post illegal mp3's, no matter what anyone says, I am in violation of the law. IP, copyright, whatever. Why should it be fine for someone to link to this data?
Ok, so with this in mind, if I create a website, and on this website I happen to link to all of my friends websites, and one of those friends has Mp3s on his page, then am I liable for any kind of criminal charges? I've provided information that will allow someone to obtain 'illegal' material, yet I doubt anyone is going to say that I'm liable for anything...
The lawsuit is rediculous, it should be thrown out of court.
Kintanon
Okay, so maybe I've lived an isolated life. I was born and raised in Boston. Went to college in Boston. Spent a year in Hamburg, but that's it. So I'm honestly wondering where all these censorship folks have been hiding all my life.
Seriously, how many people out there actually know someone who thinks we need a rating system to "save the kids" from the big bad internet? And how many of those people who support a rating system realize that it will rapidly be turned into a means for censorship, as the movie ratings were?
I grew up in the bible belt, Georgia, and I have honestly never met someone there who thought that the government should be doing anything to protect anyone really... Southerners in general tend to take care of themselves and prefer to make their own decisions, even the white trash red necks don't want the government telling them they can't keep 4 broken down cars in their yard.>:)
Kintanon
The easier solution to this is to contact your politicos. The Senate, House, and, ultimately, the President must endorse this for it to become law. I would think that it will also get an Unconstitutional vote from the Supreme Court.
I doubt this will be a law, more likely it will be a 'Voluntary Standard'. Which means your ISP will refuse to accept content form you if it isn't rated, because the phone companies will jack them over if they accept unrated content because the fundamentalist whackos will protest if the see anything offensive. Who needs Laws when you can have 'Standards'.
Kintanon
I guess the big difference would be that the /. moderation is voluntary, and is used to filter information...whereas the PICS system is voluntary, and is used to filter information?
Let's see here, if the slashdot moderation system worked like PICS I wouldn't be replying to your post because I never would have been able to see it. BUT, I have the choice of reading -1 comments, and I do. See? Big difference between ME choosing what I see and SOMEONE ELSE choosing what I see.
Kintanon
What, theatres don't have the right to determine which movies they want to show? News papers don't have the right to determine what kind of ads they want to print? This is just typical scare talk from the typical paranoia crowd. I saw Showgirls in the theatre (not that I'm proud of it or anything). If there is a buck to be made, you can bet someone will be there to collect it.
Ahhh! But did you see the R version or the NC-17 version?? Only the 'disreputable' theatres I've seen will play NC-17 movies. The big ones don't.
Kintanon
I'm afraid we have no say in the matter. These are not elected officials and they aren't held accountable to the people. They can implement pretty much any system they please without our approval. I'd say we're pretty much [Expletive Deleted in Conformance with PICS Standard] up beyond belief now... Anyone want to [Opposing Political View Deleted in Conformance with PICS Standard]?? Well, see you all [Possible Inflamatory Comment Deleted in Conformance with PICS Standard]
Kintanon
Got #mtg on Undernet and ask Shroomie. He's 'The Man' when it comes to apprentice, trust me.>;)
Kintanon
It would also make it easier to find official sites, since for a company like Ford(TM) would be at FORD.R.US or FORD.R, and you (initially) wouldn't have to worry about names like FORDCARS, FORDTRUCKS, etc.
I regret to inform you but your use of the domain name 'Ford.R.US' interferes with our 'Toys R US' Trademark. Please either remove this site or turn it over to us. >:)
I can just see that, every company registered in the US would get sued by Toys R Us.
Kintanon
I should be able to buy and sell all the domain names I damn well please on a first cone serve basis. If I PAY for 5000 domain names. They're fucking MINE, and I can resell them for any amount I want. Or maybe I will just sit on them. No one has to buy them. And if I am to assume ALL THE RISK (of not being able to sell them), then I should receive ALL THE PROFIT when I do make that one big killing.
Since this guy was moderated down as a troll I'm qouting his text for everyone's benefit. This is a legitimate concern. It is legal to purchase realestate and then sell it to businesses or individuals, why can't we do the same thing with domain names??? I don't see any problem with squatters, they had the good sense to get the name before you did, so you have to pay their price if you REALLY want the name. Perfectly reasonable.
Kintanon
I'm not sure if this is technologically possible, but a mature solution would be:
The small business gets a domain name like clue-computing-boston.com, Hasbro gets clue-hasbro-game.com, and somewhere there is a single web page under www.clue.com that says for Clue Computing of Boston click here, for the Hasbro Clue game click here, etc.
For an example of this type www.slashdot.com That will take you to one of those pages which then directs to here, or a few other places that use slashdot for some reason.
Kintanon
Hey DANJOE!!! >:)
WoTC was a better company when it was 10-15 people coming up with good ideas and producing them. Now that it is a multi-national money machine it has gone so far down hill. First they dumbed down the game, then they shafted the hell out of their older players (us). I'm surprised anyone still plays... It's a great game if you play by say... 1997 rules, but all of the new stuff is just crap!
Kintanon ---Hangs out with Dan in MTG and harasses him.
I still have something like 4000 cards between FA and Stronghold... Trying to sell them off now, but because only about 1000 are tournament legal no one wants them...>:\
Kintanon
Hasbro will be purchasing Wizards of the Coast, Magic:The Gathering card maker, and owner of TSR, Inc.
Tell me this isn't true??! PLEASE!! NOOO!!!
*prepares to suicide*
Kintanon
We're much more likely to see problems caused by idiots rather than computers. Think about what's probally already started happening. People are going to be buying more canned goods and other non-perishables. People are going to buy bomb shelters and take their money out of banks. Banks are going to go under, food prices will sky-rocket, as will any other materials used in a bomb shelter. Then guess what happens when jan 1st rolls around and the world hasn't exploded? Well with all of those non-perishables people aren't going to buy food, especially due to the increased prices because of the limited supply the day before. People aren't going to trust the banks with their money, after all, many went under because they weren't Y2K (read: moron) compliant.
Oh and we can't forget the inevitable rioting that's going to occur. Americans will use any excuse to riot. Your favorite team lost the world series, riot. Your favorite team won the world series, riot. Y2K aka armagedon is here, riot.
God bless morons one and all...
For anyone who doesn't think his scenario is possible, think about how many people are in the US alone, say 250 million (Probably more, but that was the last real number I heard), say 1 percent of those people are going to panic and riot on dec 31, that's 2.5 million people, say 100 thousand people in 25 major cities. That's a LOT of people rioting. Also, because of the way our financial system is designed if a big chunk of the middle class pulls their money out of the banks we have an instant economic disaster. The biggest danger to our society isn't from the actual Y2K problem, it's from the Y2K paranoia.
Kintanon
I got MY copy yesterday, already at the end of the training stuff, fighting the big tyranno guy! MUAHAHAH!!
Kintanon
Speaking of those Pepsi cans, they have characters on those cans that I would SWEAR never showed up in the movie, at least not for more than 10 seconds. They are milking the hell out of that promo...
Kintanon
Here you all go talking about how the government shouldn't keep more information about it's people, the very day after you all were talking about what additional information Malda should keep on SlashDot regulars. ... Hmm... *whisper* Rob Malda Works for the CIA *
Yea, well, it's OK for SlashDot to do it, but not the US Government?
I'd say the key difference there is choice again. We can choose what info to give Rob, the Gov can just take whatever it wants.
Kintanon
Ok, perhaps I am a bit deluded. But I'm happy in that state. ;)
My view from north of the border might also affect my opinions.
However... I think our real difference here is the old philosophical battle of whether people are good or evil by nature. Much wiser and long dead people have effectively argued for both sides. It is really a personal choice of paradigm which decides which idea is correct. I personally believe that people are good by nature.
And while I am assuming people are good by nature, I did say that there are bad people by conditioning... thus, OF COURSE it's silly to say "Everyone is good and no one is a criminal and who needs this DB?"
I do think that a government of many can work, but perhaps not in the US. (I s'pose we could say that a democracy is actually a gov't of many... but that idea probably pertains more to socialism)
I must certainly agree that the current infrastructure is under-utilised. But that in itself does not necessarily mean that a new idea is useless.
Your a bit deluded and I'm a bit cynical, but at least we aren't apathetic and complacent like 90% of the US...>:)
Maybe I see people as inherintly 'Bad' because I grew up with 10-12 small children who were 6-7 years younger than I was. I got to watch them fighting over the smallest things, eventually ridiculing and excluding people, and just being generally evil little buggers. Their earlier behaviour wasn't learned, it was their natural impulse. Some of their later behavior was learned, some of it was good, some was bad. But almost exclusively their 'Good' behavior was learned and their 'Bad' behavior came naturally.
If we had an actual democracy it might work, or an actual republic it might work, but the POS system we have now is slowly killing itself.
I never said that the idea was useless, but it's useless RIGHT NOW. We need to get all of the programs we currently have working decently before we come up with new ways to spend money and time.
Kintanon
Isn't there something about the "Mark of the Beast" in the Bible, where there would be something without which you can't buy or sell anything (or do anything at all, for that matter)? This looks suspiciously close. Bible Belters help me out.
Yup, Mark of the Beast in the back of the right hand or on the forehead. Mentioned in Revelation.
Kintanon
Your posts always have that choppy didactic quality.
Big words that seem like professional power tools that somehow have wandered into the posession of someone unsafe with anything more than a rather blunt screwdriver.
It's something I've noticed a lot with people who think they're underground, but it's just their head down there.
10 to 1 this was directed at me, but since nothing was qouted I can't be sure. My posts are choppy because I get phone calls in the middle of my paragraphs and have to run across a plant to fix things, by the time I get back I have to reform my thought processes and continue. If you want to judge people on the quality of their paragraph structure I'm afraid you won't find many people here that pass your test.
Kintanon
There are of course strong cultural biases here: I'm British, as were Swan and Colussus. I'm sure a Frenchman could tell you the two Frenchmen who invented the lightbulb & computer, and so on for other nationalities.
The important thing is that the Americans either:
A. Bought it.
B. Made it useful after someone else made it.
C. Distributed it Widely.
Plenty of other countries came up with things, but they never bothered to put them to practicle usage. Like the Vikings who knew about America, they discovered it, they just didn't do anything practicle with it, so no one really cares.
Kintanon