UIUC does more for us (novaNET Learning) than just host our site. They are currently (untill the final switch over for the company the just bought us) paying approx. $18,000 per year to keep us connected to the internet and have been doing so for 7 years. As for hosting a site like PSS for free. As a sysadmin, I would offer it up in a second if I could. unfortunatly, our product requires massive amounts of bandwidth (we currently have 14 T-1s and a DS3) and can not spare any for an unrelated site. If our customer base were to increase dramatically I WOULD offer Ken a place for PSS to live.
Yes, well, it would be one thing if harvard was acually talking. NON of the partys involver (at harvard) have made statement. ALL statement have come from public relations. How many of you have dealt with PR before? example: Recently my employeer was bought. In the press release, authored by our PR department, the president may statement. Our president did know he made these statement untill the press release was sent out. "...I'm glad for public relations. I could never have said that as well as I did if it wasn't for them." is what he said in our first staff meeting after the release.
pleas tell me you didn't jay the security community is hurt by PSS. As the largest most comprehensive security site in the world, you can't possibly belive it hurt the community. The contents of the alleged/jp directory were archived web sites. To preserve the thought and actions of the security commmunity, is NOT bad. The general consesus (sp) among REAL security professional is that jp is a farce. Thus the archive accuratly preserves the community's feelings about jp.
Harvard IS to blame. the contents of the directory in question were unchanged from when genocide was hosting them. Harvard simply took the word of a known liar that the would be sued. Do you think genocide would have bowed to jp, I think not. jp's "case" was foudless. However, it did have the desired effect. The only bright ray of light here is that the world now knows what kind of person jp really is. A person willing to DESTROY a persons life and career because that person doesn't like him
hmmm, amusing that you use a quote directly from jp's statement. But let me say this: I have been a regular at PSS for over 2 years. I never saw nuns covered with seminal fluid. Nor would Ken allow such a picture exist in a publicly acessible directory
The interesting bit about how the consstitution was written, is that it doesn't apply to private entitys. Now, before you go all ape shit about what I just said, let me explain. Freedom of speach, we all belieave that our wonderfull country must protect this first ammendment to the constitution. However, the truth is, the GOVERNMENT cannot violate the right of a person to speak freely, but a private entity MAY. Yes, that's right. Harvard, being a privatly owned institution, CAN restrict what a person can say when on or using harvard's property. Is it politically correct, no. If thier right to protect thier name, yes. So you see, harvard did nothing (initially) that was unlawful., nor did Ken, nor did jp. You see why such a mess exists now?
On a final note, the constitution was written (originally) to protect people from the governmen, not to protect people from people. That's what our law making bodies are for.
The fact of the matter is, that the offer was to host the site. in it's entirety(sp). the/jp directory was not new addition to the site, or even a recent addition. It was there when genocide2600 was hosting PSS, long before harvard even made the offer. By all rights, harvard should have reviewed the site BEFORE the offer was made. What's more is, harvard didn't even bother to review the site to see if the accusations were even true. They simply pulled the plug. Time to look at ALL of the facts boys and girls. Not just jp's version
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UIUC does more for us (novaNET Learning) than just host our site. They are currently (untill the final switch over for the company the just bought us) paying approx. $18,000 per year to keep us connected to the internet and have been doing so for 7 years. As for hosting a site like PSS for free. As a sysadmin, I would offer it up in a second if I could. unfortunatly, our product requires massive amounts of bandwidth (we currently have 14 T-1s and a DS3) and can not spare any for an unrelated site. If our customer base were to increase dramatically I WOULD offer Ken a place for PSS to live.
--Spider
Yes, well, it would be one thing if harvard was acually talking. NON of the partys involver (at harvard) have made statement. ALL statement have come from public relations. How many of you have dealt with PR before? example: Recently my employeer was bought. In the press release, authored by our PR department, the president may statement. Our president did know he made these statement untill the press release was sent out. "...I'm glad for public relations. I could never have said that as well as I did if it wasn't for them." is what he said in our first staff meeting after the release.
--Spider
pleas tell me you didn't jay the security community is hurt by PSS. As the largest most comprehensive security site in the world, you can't possibly belive it hurt the community. The contents of the alleged /jp directory were archived web sites. To preserve the thought and actions of the security commmunity, is NOT bad. The general consesus (sp) among REAL security professional is that jp is a farce. Thus the archive accuratly preserves the community's feelings about jp.
--Spider
rules Ken was given for the PSS web sight:
here's the root password, do what you want.
so, did Ken break the rules?
--Spider
Harvard IS to blame. the contents of the directory in question were unchanged from when genocide was hosting them. Harvard simply took the word of a known liar that the would be sued. Do you think genocide would have bowed to jp, I think not. jp's "case" was foudless. However, it did have the desired effect. The only bright ray of light here is that the world now knows what kind of person jp really is. A person willing to DESTROY a persons life and career because that person doesn't like him
--Spider
hmmm, amusing that you use a quote directly from jp's statement. But let me say this: I have been a regular at PSS for over 2 years. I never saw nuns covered with seminal fluid. Nor would Ken allow such a picture exist in a publicly acessible directory
--Spider
The interesting bit about how the consstitution was written, is that it doesn't apply to private entitys. Now, before you go all ape shit about what I just said, let me explain. Freedom of speach, we all belieave that our wonderfull country must protect this first ammendment to the constitution. However, the truth is, the GOVERNMENT cannot violate the right of a person to speak freely, but a private entity MAY. Yes, that's right. Harvard, being a privatly owned institution, CAN restrict what a person can say when on or using harvard's property. Is it politically correct, no. If thier right to protect thier name, yes. So you see, harvard did nothing (initially) that was unlawful., nor did Ken, nor did jp. You see why such a mess exists now?
On a final note, the constitution was written (originally) to protect people from the governmen, not to protect people from people. That's what our law making bodies are for.
--Spider
The fact of the matter is, that the offer was to host the site. in it's entirety(sp). the /jp directory was not new addition to the site, or even a recent addition. It was there when genocide2600 was hosting PSS, long before harvard even made the offer. By all rights, harvard should have reviewed the site BEFORE the offer was made. What's more is, harvard didn't even bother to review the site to see if the accusations were even true. They simply pulled the plug. Time to look at ALL of the facts boys and girls. Not just jp's version
--Spider