These are programs Siemens, NEC, Alcatel, etc. provide for programming PLCs. The thing is that even if one or more of them could be mande to run once, as soon as the program version changes, the problem may come up again. I could not get it to run the first time but I agree that by tweaking it may be possible to run them. The mian issue is that these suppliers change the software they supply at unpredictable times.
We considered the idea of using individual PCs. Would put 5 PCs in the server room and use VNC from the Linux desktops. After all only 1 user can access it concurrently. I'm not sure if you're talking about 'MS Terminal Server' in your post or 'Win4Lin Terminal Server'. Win4Lin Terminal Server really just puts 5 VNC sessions on the same server (I'm not being technical here, just trying to summarize) and it has the 'feature' of letting only 5 users in. Do you think this is equivalent to having 5 PCs and letting people walk up to use them?
The official penalty is 3000 times the value of each instance of each programm, application, etc. that is not licensed. You can check out the local propaganda at: ABES (hit the anti-pirataria link, in case you Spanish or Portuguese doesn't help out, maybe a babelfish translation can do some of it).
ABES sends out 'letters' to ask for voluntary license compliance audits, here just like the BSA does in Europe and the US.
ABES and the BSA are working closely together.
They do care and care a lot. There are BSA hotlines where people can squeal on others (motly their former employers) and they do bring in the police to raid the compnay. It's in the news every once in a while. Brazil is mentioned in some Halloween Documents as a country 'troubling' Microsoft.
The whole point of this is they will not be using 50 users concurrently but only 5. I agree that an immediate 'fix' is to buy XP licenses but the point of the solution is to have a solid solution with freedom when the next upgrade bulldozer comes along. I think this is like having 5 PCs on a table and the users walk up to them and use the program according to availability.
I also agree to another previous post that a Slashdot opinion will not hold up in court;-)
What I'm after is experiences to prepare to ask the right questions to the right people so I don't get an automatic 'no'.
Well, no I don't like Windows at all and I want to run Linux because it will be an 'elegant' solution. Cost is of course a big issue and is what drove the customer to seek a solution. The change today will not be at no cost (installation, training, etc.) but will mena freedom further down the road. The only reason any Windows is still needed is because they have to run technical progams supplied by others (for programming PLCs) that will only run in Windows.
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These are programs Siemens, NEC, Alcatel, etc. provide for programming PLCs. The thing is that even if one or more of them could be mande to run once, as soon as the program version changes, the problem may come up again. I could not get it to run the first time but I agree that by tweaking it may be possible to run them. The mian issue is that these suppliers change the software they supply at unpredictable times.
We considered the idea of using individual PCs. Would put 5 PCs in the server room and use VNC from the Linux desktops. After all only 1 user can access it concurrently. I'm not sure if you're talking about 'MS Terminal Server' in your post or 'Win4Lin Terminal Server'. Win4Lin Terminal Server really just puts 5 VNC sessions on the same server (I'm not being technical here, just trying to summarize) and it has the 'feature' of letting only 5 users in. Do you think this is equivalent to having 5 PCs and letting people walk up to use them?
The official penalty is 3000 times the value of each instance of each programm, application, etc. that is not licensed. You can check out the local propaganda at: ABES (hit the anti-pirataria link, in case you Spanish or Portuguese doesn't help out, maybe a babelfish translation can do some of it). ABES sends out 'letters' to ask for voluntary license compliance audits, here just like the BSA does in Europe and the US. ABES and the BSA are working closely together.
They do care and care a lot. There are BSA hotlines where people can squeal on others (motly their former employers) and they do bring in the police to raid the compnay. It's in the news every once in a while. Brazil is mentioned in some Halloween Documents as a country 'troubling' Microsoft.
The whole point of this is they will not be using 50 users concurrently but only 5. I agree that an immediate 'fix' is to buy XP licenses but the point of the solution is to have a solid solution with freedom when the next upgrade bulldozer comes along. I think this is like having 5 PCs on a table and the users walk up to them and use the program according to availability. I also agree to another previous post that a Slashdot opinion will not hold up in court ;-)
What I'm after is experiences to prepare to ask the right questions to the right people so I don't get an automatic 'no'.
Well, no I don't like Windows at all and I want to run Linux because it will be an 'elegant' solution. Cost is of course a big issue and is what drove the customer to seek a solution. The change today will not be at no cost (installation, training, etc.) but will mena freedom further down the road. The only reason any Windows is still needed is because they have to run technical progams supplied by others (for programming PLCs) that will only run in Windows.
Netraverse Sales told me, in writing, to ask Microsoft ;-)