Yeah I mean getting rid of double standards in the industry are for other people!
Independent of gender you'll notice that the latter gets a lot more leeway than the former.
Yep.
and then gender gets layered on top of that.
9 times out of 10 a dude at a given level of seniority and skill will get way more leeway for "not suffering fools" than a woman of the same level. Which is why you never hear of women referred to as "not sufferin fools".
I've mentioned that 3 times now and every time you stuiously ignore it going off on a tangent instead. It looks like you DO have a horse in the race, you just aren't prepared to admit it.
Oh yeah, that reminds me of another unusual benefit of C++: it is a stable platform. You would have thought by now that wouldn't be unusual, but turns out it is.
Yeah it's the blessing and curse. I mean it more or less guarantees that the major flaws will never get fixed with a few minor exceptions: exception specifications for example.
OTHO in an industry where you're an old fart for using Angular (first released 2010) rather than React (first released 2013), it's kind of nice that stuff that works continues to work.
For infrstructural languages (of which python apparently qualifies), there's still the 2/3 split, and it's really annoying.
I generally prefer the stability though. I can learn and remember the warts once, rather than having to relearn them every few years as they change. Also, these days I do feel I have better things to do than rewrite working code very few years.
After having a nice sleep, I remembered several programs written in C++ that I've seen that are really quite well written.
Cool.
The language still annoys me, but I respect it.
Holy fuck, yes!
I mean I actually like the language. I like the combination of being close to the metal (I can predict reasonably well what it will do even after optimisations) and a high degree of programmability in the language. and I like generics over non types. And so on.
It can be really annoying at times. I mean the backwards compatibility is really annoying since they can't fix all the flaws. On the other hand that shitty code I wrote in 2003 which has since been debugged to the point of being rock solid if rather unpleasant to read doesn't need to be rewritten and for that I am glad!
And yes, if you're in a professional environment, you respond for the 10,000,000th time politely to the same idiotic "input".
Unless you're a dude with a reputation of not suffering fools (e.g. Linus Torvalds, but examples abound), in which case it's fine. Funnily enough I have never heard a female engineer referred to as "not suffering fools", instead rather less flattering terms are always used.
Killing plugins/statusbar/etc. was basically sabotaging everything that made Firefox hold an advantage. Trying to compete as a Chrome clone, just makes it useless as a choice.
A chrome clone? Let me know when chrome supports noscript, and then let me know when it supports noscript on mobile.
His reply was most likely not meant to be condescending, but it was obviously understood as such. More likely than not he genuinely thought he is offering input while what he suggested apparently is one of the "too obvious to mention" things.
Great he didn't mean to. You know what happens when you drop a brick on someone's foot when you didn't men to? You suck it up when they yell at you.
She could have responded in a polite way,
Yep she chould for the 10,000th time responded in a polite way when someone yet again "offered input" on something simple and obvious to a 10 year veteran in the field.
Funily enough I look "enough like an engineer" that people rarely if ever (I cannot remember a recent example) try to teach me to suck eggs. If anything they tend to way overshoot and I have to ask them to slow their roll in order to catch up.
I have a few friends who are at an equal level to me and have a somewhat opposite experience. Having actually listened to what they say as opposed to just making assumptions, it gets really really really wearing.
No you think it isnn't the point but it actually is. Things don't exist in a vacuum and humans are not simple, mindless rules inference machines. Further the world is not a simple binary state either, it exists on a continuum.
Things you do outside work might a bit affect your life there. Many things (most things?) shouldn't, but the more extreme, the more they will. There's a tradeoff between having a private life and the faact you're not magically a different person in the ofice than from outside.
So yes advocating genocide (and make no mistake, that is core to the Nai ideology) is worlds different from going off on someone about this topic on twitter.
Hey Serviscope minor, this is the second thinly veiled accusation you have made that I am harassing women.
Hey Ol Olsoc, you said your assessment of your own behaviour was "risky". That's your assessment, not mine. You're accusing yourself. I'm just turning it from a self-selusion on your part to something more obvious.
There aren't currently any other languages that have a track record of delivering large, high performance programs. C was the old king there but most are now C++, including all the C compilers. Rust may yet succeed there since it's (to steal someone elses description) like a codification of C++14 best practices with some modern thye theory to help it along.
Common, even you know this is BS. Just flip the genders
Oh yes. I should just pretend like the world isn't the way it currently is. I know a few women in various tech jobs. They have had to put up with a *lot* of shit that I haven't along these lines.
So around 15 years ago, [...] And so compilers would all implement their own specific subset of the language and there was virtually no cross compatibility
While C++98 conformance rather lagged the release of the standard, your dates are out. By 2003 (15 years ago) I seem to remember GCC being pretty much C++98 compliant (except export!) modulo a few bugs.
The first fully compliant C++11 compiler was released in 2013, the first compliant C++14 compiler in 2014 and the first C++17 compiler in 2017. Even Microsoft who has previously been noted for being a laggard has a C++17 compliant compiler, less than 6 months after the standard was ratified.
So the language started as an unimplementable mess of a spec, and unless someone has been doing some very hard work to make the language LESS complex, I greatly suspect that it has stayed that way,
The existence of three independent, compliant implementations suggest you are mistaken.
Oh is that a thing? I am nothing more than a casual hacker at the language, more of a C person. The other day I saw my first template and was confused that the header seemed to do the heavy lifting.
Yes: you won't go too far wrong if you think of templates as macros on steroids. The template code needs to be in the header file for the same reason macros (even really long ones) need to be in the header file.
You kind of can: if you use malloc() followed by placement new and then placement delete. Of course you can't get tid of placement new, and of all the features I've seen new and delete are among the least controversial.
Some of it does. The entire left is just power hungry though.
Oh I see: you're doing that thing where you invent your own meaning of the word "left" and then loudly claim all left is teh ebil. I suppose given your own personal definition it might be because who knows what's in your head?
On the other hand, you have to be in such an odd place mentally to do that that I wouldn't be surprised if your own personal definiton is so out of whack that een your own claims about it aren't accurate.
Maybe. Or maybe the guy might have performed a simple risk/reward analysis.
I was fine acting really crappy, but now it's risky so I'm being more careful.
Something that doesn't make it sonud like a fetish?
This is a fine example of the Mike Tyson defense,
This is a fine example of an incredibly poor analogy. Assuming her acconut is true, then it's a bit muc hpraising them for being a loud, angry person for certain issues on twitter in the interview then fire them for being a loud angry person for said issue on twitter.
And you know, being loud and angry on twitter isn't a crime let alone a violent one, unlike rape which is both.
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FOSS software often lacks QA, unit testing, code static/dynamic analysis and regression testing.
So does comercial software.
I don't even have a horse in that race
Yeah I mean getting rid of double standards in the industry are for other people!
Independent of gender you'll notice that the latter gets a lot more leeway than the former.
Yep.
and then gender gets layered on top of that.
9 times out of 10 a dude at a given level of seniority and skill will get way more leeway for "not suffering fools" than a woman of the same level. Which is why you never hear of women referred to as "not sufferin fools".
I've mentioned that 3 times now and every time you stuiously ignore it going off on a tangent instead. It looks like you DO have a horse in the race, you just aren't prepared to admit it.
They're the safest in the world
Not to your feet. The little buggers always sit prongs up.
Oh yeah, that reminds me of another unusual benefit of C++: it is a stable platform. You would have thought by now that wouldn't be unusual, but turns out it is.
Yeah it's the blessing and curse. I mean it more or less guarantees that the major flaws will never get fixed with a few minor exceptions: exception specifications for example.
OTHO in an industry where you're an old fart for using Angular (first released 2010) rather than React (first released 2013), it's kind of nice that stuff that works continues to work.
For infrstructural languages (of which python apparently qualifies), there's still the 2/3 split, and it's really annoying.
I generally prefer the stability though. I can learn and remember the warts once, rather than having to relearn them every few years as they change. Also, these days I do feel I have better things to do than rewrite working code very few years.
I see you quietly latched on to one part while ignoring the other thing I said (examples abounud).
clearly you have an axe to grind and aren't interested in an actual discussion.
And yes I do think gender has a lot to do with it. You never hear a woman described as "not suffering fools" but plenty of loud angry dudes are.
After having a nice sleep, I remembered several programs written in C++ that I've seen that are really quite well written.
Cool.
The language still annoys me, but I respect it.
Holy fuck, yes!
I mean I actually like the language. I like the combination of being close to the metal (I can predict reasonably well what it will do even after optimisations) and a high degree of programmability in the language. and I like generics over non types. And so on.
It can be really annoying at times. I mean the backwards compatibility is really annoying since they can't fix all the flaws. On the other hand that shitty code I wrote in 2003 which has since been debugged to the point of being rock solid if rather unpleasant to read doesn't need to be rewritten and for that I am glad!
And yes, if you're in a professional environment, you respond for the 10,000,000th time politely to the same idiotic "input".
Unless you're a dude with a reputation of not suffering fools (e.g. Linus Torvalds, but examples abound), in which case it's fine. Funnily enough I have never heard a female engineer referred to as "not suffering fools", instead rather less flattering terms are always used.
Sadly, they fixed the performance issue, by destroying all their plugins and switching plugin types, so I've stopped using it.
No they didn't destroy all the extensions and many of the popular ones are long since back up and running. Noscript for example.
As for mobile systems, well that's sad too. Firefox is awful on mobile, just the interactivity with opening a tab.
works for me (tm). and it's the only way of getting Javascript-free browsing on android that I know of.
Killing plugins/statusbar/etc. was basically sabotaging everything that made Firefox hold an advantage. Trying to compete as a Chrome clone, just makes it useless as a choice.
A chrome clone? Let me know when chrome supports noscript, and then let me know when it supports noscript on mobile.
His reply was most likely not meant to be condescending, but it was obviously understood as such. More likely than not he genuinely thought he is offering input while what he suggested apparently is one of the "too obvious to mention" things.
Great he didn't mean to. You know what happens when you drop a brick on someone's foot when you didn't men to? You suck it up when they yell at you.
She could have responded in a polite way,
Yep she chould for the 10,000th time responded in a polite way when someone yet again "offered input" on something simple and obvious to a 10 year veteran in the field.
Funily enough I look "enough like an engineer" that people rarely if ever (I cannot remember a recent example) try to teach me to suck eggs. If anything they tend to way overshoot and I have to ask them to slow their roll in order to catch up.
I have a few friends who are at an equal level to me and have a somewhat opposite experience. Having actually listened to what they say as opposed to just making assumptions, it gets really really really wearing.
Not the point.
No you think it isnn't the point but it actually is. Things don't exist in a vacuum and humans are not simple, mindless rules inference machines. Further the world is not a simple binary state either, it exists on a continuum.
Things you do outside work might a bit affect your life there. Many things (most things?) shouldn't, but the more extreme, the more they will. There's a tradeoff between having a private life and the faact you're not magically a different person in the ofice than from outside.
So yes advocating genocide (and make no mistake, that is core to the Nai ideology) is worlds different from going off on someone about this topic on twitter.
Hey Serviscope minor, this is the second thinly veiled accusation you have made that I am harassing women.
Hey Ol Olsoc, you said your assessment of your own behaviour was "risky". That's your assessment, not mine. You're accusing yourself. I'm just turning it from a self-selusion on your part to something more obvious.
Really? Like what?
Performance, scalability.
There aren't currently any other languages that have a track record of delivering large, high performance programs. C was the old king there but most are now C++, including all the C compilers. Rust may yet succeed there since it's (to steal someone elses description) like a codification of C++14 best practices with some modern thye theory to help it along.
But for now C++ is king of that partcular hill.
Not true.
Yes true.
Common, even you know this is BS. Just flip the genders
Oh yes. I should just pretend like the world isn't the way it currently is. I know a few women in various tech jobs. They have had to put up with a *lot* of shit that I haven't along these lines.
What part of "I've never spoken with her" don't you get?
Never said you did.
Also, I got on a list for very ridiculous reasons.
And those reasons were...?
They're of course not as bad as say serviscopeminor who will screech that links to FBI archives are fake, or there to put malware on your machine.
I bet you can find a link where I said that!
So around 15 years ago, [...] And so compilers would all implement their own specific subset of the language and there was virtually no cross compatibility
While C++98 conformance rather lagged the release of the standard, your dates are out. By 2003 (15 years ago) I seem to remember GCC being pretty much C++98 compliant (except export!) modulo a few bugs.
The first fully compliant C++11 compiler was released in 2013, the first compliant C++14 compiler in 2014 and the first C++17 compiler in 2017. Even Microsoft who has previously been noted for being a laggard has a C++17 compliant compiler, less than 6 months after the standard was ratified.
So the language started as an unimplementable mess of a spec, and unless someone has been doing some very hard work to make the language LESS complex, I greatly suspect that it has stayed that way,
The existence of three independent, compliant implementations suggest you are mistaken.
Oh is that a thing? I am nothing more than a casual hacker at the language, more of a C person. The other day I saw my first template and was confused that the header seemed to do the heavy lifting.
Yes: you won't go too far wrong if you think of templates as macros on steroids. The template code needs to be in the header file for the same reason macros (even really long ones) need to be in the header file.
No, it can't.
You kind of can: if you use malloc() followed by placement new and then placement delete. Of course you can't get tid of placement new, and of all the features I've seen new and delete are among the least controversial.
Some of it does. The entire left is just power hungry though.
Oh I see: you're doing that thing where you invent your own meaning of the word "left" and then loudly claim all left is teh ebil. I suppose given your own personal definition it might be because who knows what's in your head?
On the other hand, you have to be in such an odd place mentally to do that that I wouldn't be surprised if your own personal definiton is so out of whack that een your own claims about it aren't accurate.
Maybe. Or maybe the guy might have performed a simple risk/reward analysis.
I was fine acting really crappy, but now it's risky so I'm being more careful.
Something that doesn't make it sonud like a fetish?
This is a fine example of the Mike Tyson defense,
This is a fine example of an incredibly poor analogy. Assuming her acconut is true, then it's a bit muc hpraising them for being a loud, angry person for certain issues on twitter in the interview then fire them for being a loud angry person for said issue on twitter.
And you know, being loud and angry on twitter isn't a crime let alone a violent one, unlike rape which is both.
she didn't know how to respond to an actual CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM (something you can't seem to identify.
There was nothing constructive in any of his posts. They were startlingly inane.
Sweet, another freak!
I do frequently wonder why I have more fans than freaks but there you go.
Right knows how to mind their own business! Lol do you actually exist I this plane of reality?
'Left leaning' means 'power hungry', nothing else.
As opposed to "right leaning" which means nothing else but power hungry.