Though they've been mimicing the image of FOSS for some time allready, so far Microsoft has been turning a blind eye on the organics of FOSS. Being both social by design and non-discriminating by availability. Wich are in fact the grails of marketing they've believed to have the unique privilege to.
IMHO What they're looking for is a mention of credits of some sort, merits to make sure they're in-on-it. They do realise, like many others that they can keep selling their products for maybe decades to come but the community (public-And-industry) is going to overcome them in the end. Unless they can market themselves successfully, and with minimal effort, into this FOSS thing. Wich is why they're showing some muscle, though it might well be the only real muscle they have left since Vista took 5 years to build and is not getting much more then a wow instead of the WOW they anticipated.
But let's not be naieve to think they're weakening.
I hope they quit making operating-systems and turn to services on top of FOSS operating systems. Though i'm not sure at all where GPLv3 is going to take us i do trust Linus' judgement when he's more pleased with the latest drafts. In the end, time after time i wonder what innovatin microsoft i bringing in. Mostly they BUY innovative companies and technologies to then call it their own, wich makes sense if you're marketing a product. FOSS is not that extroardinary more rich in innovations but at least there's a steady trend towards innovation. And to be honest FOSS is more on the pulse of computing then any company can be, as many have allready realised.
Microsoft will have to accept they're being overruled by their own power-trio Profitability, Marketing-Power, Availability... and their own slogans suggesting computing will change the way you think, live, work etc. FOSS does all that, but better.
isn't that a clause that Novell is off-the-hook in case of any legal actions ? Is it ?
(yeah it is but it isn't)
Further i'd like to mention that if a design exists within a 'space' defined by finite logic it cannot be very patentable in my humble opinion. Most of the patents are based on ingenuity not on ripping of an interface you've seen at a demonstration at Palo-Alto... remember ?
How can a design itself be patentable if it is partly or almost entirely boudn to the machine, compiler generation... it is set to work on...
Though applauding all those 'hackers' get pay for they're worth what worries me most is the 'control' attached at the end of each money line.
Take a look at any revolution in the past, as soon as the bucks come rollin' in the entire spirit evaporates and those who scream loudest, hit hardest get the most of the cake. I'd hate to see a pointless iteration of such a scenario with the open source community.
My hopes are that development will be funded in an objective way. The developpers can still interact with the community as they do today, the software remains Open Source Software as it is today. The community remains creative as it really is today.
In the past a few projects were started to fund OSS developpers but my blurred impression is these never really took off well ? Micropayments might well create a moneyflow on it's own independant of moneylien giants.
Given the steep price for a Vista license the expectations are probably based on a salesfigure identical to that of XP. Woeha, longlive the oem-contracts.
I had a 'vision' of an article discussing google on slashdot and hah! behooold! Maybe all these digits are getting to me after all. Eeery... Anyway, The equation that came to mind was a bit like follows.
A scientist who makes an unusual discovery is alsmost certainly to get critics all over him. Yet, in time his discovery will be recognised as the result of an intellectual effort, an achievement. This scientist will become known as 'a smart person'.
Discarding the percentile of scientists who succeed at setting such a milestone and looking at people with scientific capacities (for the sake of argument, 5% of the googlers) one can only argue the search results in google will only become more irrelevant to the intellectual part of our society. So the results of google will become increasingly insignificant to the more educated part of the population, maybe even plain scholars.
This is of course not true for most specialisms and so on but even now sometime results are quite insignificant.
- Unknown code and unforseen approaches. Lack of documentation and uncommented code. Blueprint - Indeed, lack of experience outside of the "click" behaviour. - Complexity is also a matter of appliction-to-user interaction. From a non-developper point of view, open-source is somewhat "stuck in the lab", meaning the overal look of such an application is not eye-candy, to many too technical terms or technicalities are required. There's no easy way to solve this. Though this is recognised by FOSS given their efforts on this matter. - Open-source thrives on expertise, most small business companies lack such 'expertise' by cause of "piont-n-click" mentality. - Open-source is too many times viewed as a few applications and a kernel, it's a license after all isn't it ?
There's also a matter of perspective: Indication such complexity might be at hand are actually numerous. How many multi-platform applications, drivers, plugins are being released simultaneously ? Think of video-card drivers, flash-player, and probably many others. Though this does not mean complexity is at hand here the perception of this is created.
Running into unsupported hardware is another issue, though less of an issue the last few years. Still this impressions persists and is not incorrect by far. Wich is why i'd like to conclude stating an effort to get Microsoft to open up their driver library would be both insane but at the same time insanely cool, okay, just insane, still.
Bein an over critical sod i'd like to know what 'commodity' language is nod as 'failed' as VB.
Since i do not use windows, prefer cross-platform to proprietary and don't mind good syntax, clear instructions, non-bloated library's etc. I'm curious, C/C++ are above me but i'm looking... for something to write webserver applications and/or the occassional desktop application.
Thanks for your informative reply. FWIW, there are bacteria wich excrete amonia, at least to my fumbling memory. And so google, et voilà (pardon my french) http://www.water.ncsu.edu/watershedss/info/nh3.htm l
Scrolling down to sources one can see this solution might just be a good way to get rid of a lot of sewage. Mind you i'm not taking into account the huge energy required to separated the ammonia from the sewage.
Making society independent of fossil fuels - Danish researchers reveal new technology
Scientists at the Technical University of Denmark have invented a technology which may be an important step towards the hydrogen economy: a hydrogen tablet that effectively stores hydrogen in an inexpensive and safe material.
This i do remeber from at least half a year ago. Never got much press though. Did even submit this to the Green Party over here in Antwerp, no effect. Sigh.
Shows a product very similar to the drccomputers product. I'm untechnical and as such not able to supply any valuable comments. But i'd be glad to hear from you.
Licensing. It's allways been thing to make one quiver and shudder.
Why can't those great logicians publish an UML-Diagram, instead of such a hard to read, for legal purposes only bloated piece of text called a 'license'. Hey, wouldn't that mean 'revolution' in the true sense of the word. The legal world picking up UML ! People, just think about it.
I stopped using microsoft based software because they slap you with a stomach punching EULA. Like any other software company does actually, nothing personal as such.
- views and opinions expressed in the afformentioned text are entirely personal and not related to this website at all, likely to be frustracted expressions -
If this is thé solution i've seen proposed by both sendmail and microsoft some time ago this could be hilarious since in a way i would be the owner of that IP then. Huhhuh.
Anyone interested in coding for this 'thing' i worked out ? Beat'm to it ?
On a sidenote : Yaiks, by the way... some nutty memory keeps popping up that, way back in windows really early versions, there was this virus wich did a nasty show with the GDI before zapping your windows unoperational, could it be, still, after all these years ? Vague, unreliable i figure, stressed...
my point being ? well it did get passed around by WMF, later 'secured' by EMF and the new DLL model or something like that it was, figure it was a magazine article documenting this.
"The WMF problem is public now, but has been with us since 1990, if anyone has known about this flaw for all those years Windows users may have been totaly owned for ages."
That DOES ring a bell... geez, i'll have to dig back on this but there was a virus wich did about the same before...
wich does give a whole new notion to what is commonly called a 'mostly harmles' virus, like for example the winstall.exe wich popped the.wmf/gdi32 bubble
Um, that's really great news isn't it ? These geesers had to start countin' Several Seperately Maintained Linux Distributions AND Several Classic Unicexs AND Several Releases of Mac OsX to get a 3 to 1 ratio compared to just One Version of Microsoft Windows
People, the wind is certainly blowin' in the right direction here !
Hah! Anyone bothering to read the article over at lightreading.com would notice this man has stakes just to mention the video inet concept is making his bucks spin...
Slashdot Mirror
Not unless it becomes open source'd
The slanted text IS crucial.
... and their own slogans suggesting computing will change the way you think, live, work etc. FOSS does all that, but better.
Though they've been mimicing the image of FOSS for some time allready, so far Microsoft has been turning a blind eye on the organics of FOSS. Being both social by design and non-discriminating by availability. Wich are in fact the grails of marketing they've believed to have the unique privilege to.
IMHO What they're looking for is a mention of credits of some sort, merits to make sure they're in-on-it. They do realise, like many others that they can keep selling their products for maybe decades to come but the community (public-And-industry) is going to overcome them in the end. Unless they can market themselves successfully, and with minimal effort, into this FOSS thing. Wich is why they're showing some muscle, though it might well be the only real muscle they have left since Vista took 5 years to build and is not getting much more then a wow instead of the WOW they anticipated.
But let's not be naieve to think they're weakening.
I hope they quit making operating-systems and turn to services on top of FOSS operating systems. Though i'm not sure at all where GPLv3 is going to take us i do trust Linus' judgement when he's more pleased with the latest drafts. In the end, time after time i wonder what innovatin microsoft i bringing in. Mostly they BUY innovative companies and technologies to then call it their own, wich makes sense if you're marketing a product. FOSS is not that extroardinary more rich in innovations but at least there's a steady trend towards innovation. And to be honest FOSS is more on the pulse of computing then any company can be, as many have allready realised.
Microsoft will have to accept they're being overruled by their own power-trio Profitability, Marketing-Power, Availability
Okay okay ...
... remember ?
... it is set to work on ...
...
isn't that a clause that Novell is off-the-hook in case of any legal actions ? Is it ?
(yeah it is but it isn't)
Further i'd like to mention that if a design exists within a 'space' defined by finite logic it cannot be very patentable in my humble opinion. Most of the patents are based on ingenuity not on ripping of an interface you've seen at a demonstration at Palo-Alto
How can a design itself be patentable if it is partly or almost entirely boudn to the machine, compiler generation
Figure that
Hard proof anyone ?
Though applauding all those 'hackers' get pay for they're worth what worries me most is the 'control' attached at the end of each money line.
Take a look at any revolution in the past, as soon as the bucks come rollin' in the entire spirit evaporates and those who scream loudest, hit hardest get the most of the cake. I'd hate to see a pointless iteration of such a scenario with the open source community.
My hopes are that development will be funded in an objective way. The developpers can still interact with the community as they do today, the software remains Open Source Software as it is today. The community remains creative as it really is today.
In the past a few projects were started to fund OSS developpers but my blurred impression is these never really took off well ? Micropayments might well create a moneyflow on it's own independant of moneylien giants.
hihihihi, that look just like bash, ooooh
OR AH, well, DARN, you weren't being sarcastic weren't yah?
Apparently some MS-funded people on these charts these days ... hehe.
Given the steep price for a Vista license the expectations are probably based on a salesfigure identical to that of XP. Woeha, longlive the oem-contracts.
That last phrase
Too much choice ?
And, oh yeah.
An apparently unnoticed intelectual Elitarian charm-attitude is the cause of all this.
J. with a low-profile grudge
Just in case you need to see the true state of this qbit-technology visit http://www.atomchip.com/ and http://www.atomchip.org/ for your reading pleasure. Sure worked for me.
I had a 'vision' of an article discussing google on slashdot and hah! behooold! Maybe all these digits are getting to me after all. Eeery ... Anyway, The equation that came to mind was a bit like follows.
A scientist who makes an unusual discovery is alsmost certainly to get critics all over him. Yet, in time his discovery will be recognised as the result of an intellectual effort, an achievement. This scientist will become known as 'a smart person'.
Discarding the percentile of scientists who succeed at setting such a milestone and looking at people with scientific capacities (for the sake of argument, 5% of the googlers) one can only argue the search results in google will only become more irrelevant to the intellectual part of our society. So the results of google will become increasingly insignificant to the more educated part of the population, maybe even plain scholars.
This is of course not true for most specialisms and so on but even now sometime results are quite insignificant.
The signs are allready here.
With complexity many things can be meant.
- Unknown code and unforseen approaches. Lack of documentation and uncommented code. Blueprint
- Indeed, lack of experience outside of the "click" behaviour.
- Complexity is also a matter of appliction-to-user interaction. From a non-developper point of view, open-source is somewhat "stuck in the lab", meaning the overal look of such an application is not eye-candy, to many too technical terms or technicalities are required. There's no easy way to solve this. Though this is recognised by FOSS given their efforts on this matter.
- Open-source thrives on expertise, most small business companies lack such 'expertise' by cause of "piont-n-click" mentality.
- Open-source is too many times viewed as a few applications and a kernel, it's a license after all isn't it ?
There's also a matter of perspective: Indication such complexity might be at hand are actually numerous. How many multi-platform applications, drivers, plugins are being released simultaneously ? Think of video-card drivers, flash-player, and probably many others. Though this does not mean complexity is at hand here the perception of this is created.
Running into unsupported hardware is another issue, though less of an issue the last few years. Still this impressions persists and is not incorrect by far. Wich is why i'd like to conclude stating an effort to get Microsoft to open up their driver library would be both insane but at the same time insanely cool, okay, just insane, still.
Ah, so please please supply us with a link to the exact paragraph or some other evidence. Does not everyone want to be rich these sorry days ?
Bein an over critical sod i'd like to know what 'commodity' language is nod as 'failed' as VB.
... for something to write webserver applications and/or the occassional desktop application.
Since i do not use windows, prefer cross-platform to proprietary and don't mind good syntax, clear instructions, non-bloated library's etc. I'm curious, C/C++ are above me but i'm looking
Perl, PHP, Python, Boo ? What should i do ?
Regards,
J.
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Thanks for your informative reply. FWIW, there are bacteria wich excrete amonia, at least to my fumbling memory. And so google, et voilà (pardon my french) http://www.water.ncsu.edu/watershedss/info/nh3.ht
Scrolling down to sources one can see this solution might just be a good way to get rid of a lot of sewage. Mind you i'm not taking into account the huge energy required to separated the ammonia from the sewage.
Regards,
J.
Making society independent of fossil fuels - Danish researchers reveal new technology
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Scientists at the Technical University of Denmark have invented a technology which may be an important step towards the hydrogen economy: a hydrogen tablet that effectively stores hydrogen in an inexpensive and safe material.
http://www.dtu.dk/English/About_DTU/News.aspx?gui
This i do remeber from at least half a year ago. Never got much press though. Did even submit this to the Green Party over here in Antwerp, no effect. Sigh.
http://www.xtremedatainc.com/Products.html
Shows a product very similar to the drccomputers product. I'm untechnical and as such not able to supply any valuable comments. But i'd be glad to hear from you.
Licensing. It's allways been thing to make one quiver and shudder.
Why can't those great logicians publish an UML-Diagram, instead of such a hard to read, for legal purposes only bloated piece of text called a 'license'. Hey, wouldn't that mean 'revolution' in the true sense of the word. The legal world picking up UML ! People, just think about it.
I stopped using microsoft based software because they slap you with a stomach punching EULA. Like any other software company does actually, nothing personal as such.
- views and opinions expressed in the afformentioned text are entirely personal and not related to this website at all, likely to be frustracted expressions -
If this is thé solution i've seen proposed by both sendmail and microsoft some time ago this could be hilarious since in a way i would be the owner of that IP then. Huhhuh.
Anyone interested in coding for this 'thing' i worked out ? Beat'm to it ?
Actually since i was one to the really early people up that morning ... EMF is the way the exploit gets out of it's box after all ... check the afformentioned http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2006/01/13/4 17431.aspx for further reading
... some nutty memory keeps popping up that, way back in windows really early versions, there was this virus wich did a nasty show with the GDI before zapping your windows unoperational, could it be, still, after all these years ? Vague, unreliable i figure, stressed ...
On a sidenote : Yaiks, by the way
my point being ? well it did get passed around by WMF, later 'secured' by EMF and the new DLL model or something like that it was, figure it was a magazine article documenting this.
"The WMF problem is public now, but has been with us since 1990, if anyone has known about this flaw for all those years Windows users may have been totaly owned for ages."
... geez, i'll have to dig back on this but there was a virus wich did about the same before ...
That DOES ring a bell
wich does give a whole new notion to what is commonly called a 'mostly harmles' virus, like for example the winstall.exe wich popped the .wmf/gdi32 bubble
don't say communism when you're referring to a sort of techno-totalitarian ...
unices that should be i figure !
c lient=opera&rls=en&q=bash+network+script&btnG=Zoek en&lr=
c lient=opera&rls=en&q=vbs+network+script&btnG=Zoeke n&lr=
c lient=opera&rls=en&q=perl+network+script&btnG=Zoek en&lr=
and by the way, wich of these 3 word google searches does result in an obviously indication you're heading into a really dangerous environment ?
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hs=rAl&hl=nl&
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hs=rAl&hl=nl&
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hs=rAl&hl=nl&
well ?
Um, that's really great news isn't it ? These geesers had to start countin' Several Seperately Maintained Linux Distributions AND Several Classic Unicexs AND Several Releases of Mac OsX to get a 3 to 1 ratio compared to just One Version of Microsoft Windows
People, the wind is certainly blowin' in the right direction here !
Hah! Anyone bothering to read the article over at lightreading.com would notice this man has stakes just to mention the video inet concept is making his bucks spin ...