Not to mention the fact that there are only a small number of people at the FBI capable of installing and monitoring a Carnivore box.
That's why they only want to have to do it once.
I find that very hard to believe since the FBI has to get a judge to give a court order specifying particular user information and a set time period every time a Carnivore box is deployed.
Actually they just permanently deploy it once, then they need a court order to use it. Of course, since there's no auditing, no one will ever know if they're obeying that.
Remember that US laws do not apply in Costa Rica. I haven't checked, but I assume that Costa Rica does not have an equivalent to the DMCA. John could probably gain back some freedom by returning to Costa Rica.
U.S. Laws don't apply in Norway either - unless your last name is Johansen.
But they are targeting only 1 person, so they only need 1 Carnivore box -- placed as near as possible to the person they are looking for. They said that in the paper.
If that's true, why are they putting a Carnivore in every ISP POP in the nation?
I don't think Carnivore is targeting these types of people, especially ones outside of US jurisdiction. Let's face it, you can circumvent Carnivore quite a bit by using SSL, SSH, and PGP. Most criminals are going to be smart enough to use those if they know how to reprogram their MAC address.
If they're not using it to target computer literate criminals, who are they going to use it against?
Let's review these data points:
1) It's useless against knowledgeable criminals.
2) It's being placed in every consumer ISP in the U.S.
It seems self-evident that this is aimed at the populace. But I admit that you have pointed this out more elegantly than I did.
Nevertheless the Mumuwamas have been cranking out these babies at the rate of nearly one per month, for a total of 11 so far
Ya - or maybe it's RAMBUS. Not the easiest part to get through fabrication. The PS2 contains two things that should make any technologically aware citizen sick to their stomach: Rambus and a DVD-CCA licensed player.
Buy a Dreamcast. It's better for your Constitution.
Wait a minute... While the scenario you mention is indeed regrettable, I don't think it's a DMCA issue. If the database was created by the doctor, then the software vendor is surely not the copyright owner. The copyright owner is the only entity whose permission you need to circumvent. That's why MPAA (not DVD CCA) sued 2600 (on the assumption that a MPAA member is always the copyright owner whenever CSS is circumvented).
Wrong. The software has an EULA (End User License Agreement). The EULA is agreed to before the software is used. The License Agreement specifically states that all information entered into the software becomes the Intellectual Property of the software author.
This is not only not rare, it is standard.
Then the records belong to the company, and they CAN sue you for circumvention if you try to retrieve them. This is what Microsoft is going to do with word documents and Office subscriptions.
Scenario: You write a document in microsoft word that is critical of microsoft. Microsoft revokes your Office subscription. You are no longer legally permitted to access the document you wrote that was critical of them.
What the fuck is a junk repetitive character post and why is it keeping me from posting a reply?
What's funny here is that when I originally posted the parent message, my "real world example", it got rated as a "repetitive character post" too. So I switched from "plain old text" to "html", and it let me post.
If you had read the report yourself, you would have found the answers to your questions. To read a dynamic IP address, you type in the MAC address of the system in question and Carnivore will listen for DHCP. It can also listen for RADIUS-assigned IP addresses by watching for the login name.
I did read the paper myself. DHCP requests can only be read if you are within the LAN broadcast group. If there is a router between Carnivore and the "suspect", Carnivore must listen to everyone in an attempt to nab the suspect. If you split your DHCP ranges into subnets (and who doesn't) that means one carnivore box per subnet - totally unfeasible.
My point stands.
And it stands without even mentioning network cards with reprogrammable MACs, rotary MAC network stacks, RADIUS through encrypted tunnels, or international traffic where the broadcast range is way out of U.S. jurisdiction.
This will require me to tell you all a little bit about my life:
I share a house with two other people, one other computer programmer and an air-conditioning repairman from Costa Rica I will call "John". John lives with us because, like us, he races mountain bikes, and we have built a little bike shop into the house for building and repairing race bikes. He's a good mechanic, but his english isn't very good.
We have a really good A/V setup, but no DVD player. Last week, John brought home a DVD player from Best Buy, and "The Matrix" on DVD. He hooked it into his T.V., only to discover that the picture was, as he put it, "shit".
I told John that the picture was screwy because of a technology called Macrovision, hidden inside his DVD player. It's purpose was to prevent him from criminally copying DVD's onto VHS. John said "but I don't want to do that, I just want to watch it!". I told John that the MPAA had assumed he was a criminal, and put Macrovision in his DVD player to stop his crimes. Because John's T.V. only has analog input, he cannot use his new DVD player. No one at Best Buy told him this. He has to buy a new T.V., which he can't afford.
John got mad.
Then I told John that buying a "Macrovision scrubber" to clean up the signal was against the law, as he would be owning a circumvention device. And I went on to tell him that when he went home to Costa Rica, he couldn't use any of the DVD's he bought there in his DVD player, because they had put a special code in the DVD's in Costa Rica so they wouldn't work, and he had to buy another DVD player when he went back there. If he tried to get around the code, he would be a criminal, because of a new law.
That's when John lost it. He got really mad. He threw the DVD player back in the box, took it back to Best Buy, and got his money back, but also got thrown out of the store for using his broken English to call them "Stupid Bastard Fucking People" - as he puts it.
I tried to calm John down, but I think in his culture they don't have the emphasis on restraint. When someone does something awful to you, you get angry, and you go yell at them. He doesn't understand that in America, faceless corporations do terrible things to people all the time, and you can't get mad, because all your anger will be wasted on some powerless teen-age clerk.
In America, the only way to do exert power is to spend money. That's why I donate to the EFF.
"John" now understands why the two rich guys he lives with only watch movies on VHS.
The nice thing about PCA-USA is that it gives you a copy of the NDIS stream, so you can create an anti-sniff proof network sniffer, among other things.
Seems to be a very sensibly designed packet sniffer - along the lines of how I would build such a thing.
If this report shows us anything, it's that we should not object to the implementation, but to the concept. Even if it is sensibly designed from off-the-shelf products, there is no way for them to gaurauntee they're picking up only the packets they want. In fact, it's quite impossible. How do you track someone with a dynamic IP? What's their signature? You don't know - you have to read everyone's traffic to find them.
Floating point divide didn't even make the list?!?
An Intel tech came out to my college in 96 and spent an entire day popping out 60Mhz Chips and plopping in ones that could divide, and it didn't even make the list?
Am I missing something here? I'm reading and reading and I can't figure out who fronted the cash for this thing. Putting communications satellites in space is EXPENSIVE. Who sponsored this? 5 bucks from every HAM in the world?
This is all about the calendar issue.
Executives like integrated calendars.
They REALLY like to mail people meetings, and click the "tell me when the sucker opens this meeting bomb" flag.
The solution:
-find some press clippings covering the fortune 500 companies who were devastated by iloveyou.
-make virus-disaster-recovery a line item expense. figure out how much losing email for two to three days as well as having lots of files destroyed would cost. make it a line item expense.
-take into account the fact that because outlook+exchange=email worm, everyone's hard drive must be backed up every day on a network file server so you can restore them all when a worm wipes every hard drive in the company. make this a line item expense.
submit your quote to the company for about a million dollars in losses a year, plus the backup system. then when they ask "can't we get around this email worm thing with a firewall or something?"
say: "no, email worms are a feature inherent in the outlook and exchange products and that feature cannot be disabled".
Imagine sitting in a meeting, when your phone starts playing a Brittney Spears song, and in your frantic attempts to make it stop, you accidentally order 10 copies...
I'm pretty sure that's a scene from Dante's Inferno...
1)What happens if I release my thesis into the public domain under the GPL before I hand it in to my professor?
2)What if I am not paid to write my thesis? (If I am paid to write my thesis, may I charge on an hourly basis?
3)If my thesis is considered the University's work for hire, what will be the penalties imposed on me for speaking about my thesis in public? Is there a grace period during which I can legally speak about my thesis?
4)After I hand in my thesis, is it legal for me to think about my thesis, or must I stop thinking about it until I have legally purchased a copy?
Can you imagine Orrin Hatch walking into a middle school and trying to show kids his web site on their computers, only to find himself BLOCKED!
Then he'd have to circumvent an access protection device to access to his own web page, and we could lock him up for 10 years for breaking a law he sponsored!
Oh my dear god, i'm nearly creaming my pants thinking about it.
You were doing great until you took one of the best movies ever made and tried to compare it to that movie where harrison ford tries to act like a robot, but succeeds only in imitating himself. I'm not sure how it ends, i fell alseep, but hopefully mr. ford dies. with luck he dies folded up like a paper crane, but beggars can't be choosers.
I think a more accurate analogy would have been:
Cool World : Ghost in the Shell
But then that's just me, and I don't snort as much coke as george bush, so i could be wrong.
I am a one-issue voter this year. I am voting AGAINST everyone who voted for the DMCA.
I live in maryland. Both the incumbent senators voted for the DMCA, so it's easy, just vote for anyone but them.
for president, both bush & gore are pro-DMCA so it's easy, just vote for anyone but them.
but the House is another story. The house did a voice vote on the DMCA, so I don't know who voted for it. does anyone have any ideas on how to get a list of representatives who are publicly pro-DMCA and anti-free-speech?
The goal of any journalistic organization is to report the news that is of interest to its audience.
I so TOTALLY agree!
From the story: "the ps2 is a cheap full featured DVD" player
The problem is that they are NOT reporting the news that is of interest to the audience. The two most important features of any DVD player are that it:
1) Doesn't support an assault on the U.S. Constitution.
2) Doesn't restrict how we play DVD's in any way.
The Sony PS2 does not have either of these features, therefore it is very far from a "full-featured DVD player", like those available here.
If a manufacturer stops selling a title, why don't they partner with sites like this who are already making the title available, and come up with a licensing agreement? You can't buy Electronic Art's "Balance of Power" anymore. They're not making money. Why are they spending money to send out cease-and-desist letters? Where's the revenue stream? What's the business model?
Does this make sense to anyone?!?
Or is this just a FORM LETTER that someone at the IDSA sends out everytime they see software on the Internet?
Slashdot Mirror
Where the heck did you come up with that?
sigh.
Not to mention the fact that there are only a small number of people at the FBI capable of installing and monitoring a Carnivore box.
That's why they only want to have to do it once.
I find that very hard to believe since the FBI has to get a judge to give a court order specifying particular user information and a set time period every time a Carnivore box is deployed.
Actually they just permanently deploy it once, then they need a court order to use it. Of course, since there's no auditing, no one will ever know if they're obeying that.
Remember that US laws do not apply in Costa Rica. I haven't checked, but I assume that Costa Rica does not have an equivalent to the DMCA. John could probably gain back some freedom by returning to Costa Rica.
U.S. Laws don't apply in Norway either - unless your last name is Johansen.
But they are targeting only 1 person, so they only need 1 Carnivore box -- placed as near as possible to the person they are looking for. They said that in the paper.
If that's true, why are they putting a Carnivore in every ISP POP in the nation?
I don't think Carnivore is targeting these types of people, especially ones outside of US jurisdiction. Let's face it, you can circumvent Carnivore quite a bit by using SSL, SSH, and PGP. Most criminals are going to be smart enough to use those if they know how to reprogram their MAC address.
If they're not using it to target computer literate criminals, who are they going to use it against?
Let's review these data points:
1) It's useless against knowledgeable criminals.
2) It's being placed in every consumer ISP in the U.S.
It seems self-evident that this is aimed at the populace. But I admit that you have pointed this out more elegantly than I did.
Nevertheless the Mumuwamas have been cranking out these babies at the rate of nearly one per month, for a total of 11 so far
Ya - or maybe it's RAMBUS. Not the easiest part to get through fabrication. The PS2 contains two things that should make any technologically aware citizen sick to their stomach: Rambus and a DVD-CCA licensed player.
Buy a Dreamcast. It's better for your Constitution.
Wait a minute... While the scenario you mention is indeed regrettable, I don't think it's a DMCA issue. If the database was created by the doctor, then the software vendor is surely not the copyright owner. The copyright owner is the only entity whose permission you need to circumvent. That's why MPAA (not DVD CCA) sued 2600 (on the assumption that a MPAA member is always the copyright owner whenever CSS is circumvented).
Wrong. The software has an EULA (End User License Agreement). The EULA is agreed to before the software is used. The License Agreement specifically states that all information entered into the software becomes the Intellectual Property of the software author.
This is not only not rare, it is standard.
Then the records belong to the company, and they CAN sue you for circumvention if you try to retrieve them. This is what Microsoft is going to do with word documents and Office subscriptions.
Scenario: You write a document in microsoft word that is critical of microsoft. Microsoft revokes your Office subscription. You are no longer legally permitted to access the document you wrote that was critical of them.
Hide and watch, the shaft is coming.
What the fuck is a junk repetitive character post and why is it keeping me from posting a reply?
What's funny here is that when I originally posted the parent message, my "real world example", it got rated as a "repetitive character post" too. So I switched from "plain old text" to "html", and it let me post.
The lameness filter is lame. aborted.
It's a scoreboard for script kiddies!
They're gonna spend all day trying to get their box to the top of "most active attacking IP".
Like getting a slashdot fp...
That's exactly the situation, single co-ax.
Didn't know you could do that, thanks.
All new monitors have both analog/DVI inputs.
False.
Samsung's newest top-of-the-line monitor doesn't have DVI inputs, just plain old 15 pin.
If you had read the report yourself, you would have found the answers to your questions. To read a dynamic IP address, you type in the MAC address of the system in question and Carnivore will listen for DHCP. It can also listen for RADIUS-assigned IP addresses by watching for the login name.
I did read the paper myself. DHCP requests can only be read if you are within the LAN broadcast group. If there is a router between Carnivore and the "suspect", Carnivore must listen to everyone in an attempt to nab the suspect. If you split your DHCP ranges into subnets (and who doesn't) that means one carnivore box per subnet - totally unfeasible.
My point stands.
And it stands without even mentioning network cards with reprogrammable MACs, rotary MAC network stacks, RADIUS through encrypted tunnels, or international traffic where the broadcast range is way out of U.S. jurisdiction.
Here is a real world example for the EFF.
This will require me to tell you all a little bit about my life:
I share a house with two other people, one other computer programmer and an air-conditioning repairman from Costa Rica I will call "John". John lives with us because, like us, he races mountain bikes, and we have built a little bike shop into the house for building and repairing race bikes. He's a good mechanic, but his english isn't very good.
We have a really good A/V setup, but no DVD player. Last week, John brought home a DVD player from Best Buy, and "The Matrix" on DVD. He hooked it into his T.V., only to discover that the picture was, as he put it, "shit".
I told John that the picture was screwy because of a technology called Macrovision, hidden inside his DVD player. It's purpose was to prevent him from criminally copying DVD's onto VHS. John said "but I don't want to do that, I just want to watch it!". I told John that the MPAA had assumed he was a criminal, and put Macrovision in his DVD player to stop his crimes. Because John's T.V. only has analog input, he cannot use his new DVD player. No one at Best Buy told him this. He has to buy a new T.V., which he can't afford.
John got mad.
Then I told John that buying a "Macrovision scrubber" to clean up the signal was against the law, as he would be owning a circumvention device. And I went on to tell him that when he went home to Costa Rica, he couldn't use any of the DVD's he bought there in his DVD player, because they had put a special code in the DVD's in Costa Rica so they wouldn't work, and he had to buy another DVD player when he went back there. If he tried to get around the code, he would be a criminal, because of a new law.
That's when John lost it. He got really mad. He threw the DVD player back in the box, took it back to Best Buy, and got his money back, but also got thrown out of the store for using his broken English to call them "Stupid Bastard Fucking People" - as he puts it.
I tried to calm John down, but I think in his culture they don't have the emphasis on restraint. When someone does something awful to you, you get angry, and you go yell at them. He doesn't understand that in America, faceless corporations do terrible things to people all the time, and you can't get mad, because all your anger will be wasted on some powerless teen-age clerk.
In America, the only way to do exert power is to spend money. That's why I donate to the EFF.
"John" now understands why the two rich guys he lives with only watch movies on VHS.
That's my real life example.
They use PCA-USA's windis shim. A good product, and cheap - about $500.
The nice thing about PCA-USA is that it gives you a copy of the NDIS stream, so you can create an anti-sniff proof network sniffer, among other things.
Seems to be a very sensibly designed packet sniffer - along the lines of how I would build such a thing.
If this report shows us anything, it's that we should not object to the implementation, but to the concept. Even if it is sensibly designed from off-the-shelf products, there is no way for them to gaurauntee they're picking up only the packets they want. In fact, it's quite impossible. How do you track someone with a dynamic IP? What's their signature? You don't know - you have to read everyone's traffic to find them.
Floating point divide didn't even make the list?!?
An Intel tech came out to my college in 96 and spent an entire day popping out 60Mhz Chips and plopping in ones that could divide, and it didn't even make the list?
I beg to differ. FDIV should be #2.
The tongans gave up their genome?
Does this mean we can figure out what's wrong with Jar-Jar? Maybe we can genetically engineer them some smaller ears, too....
Am I missing something here? I'm reading and reading and I can't figure out who fronted the cash for this thing. Putting communications satellites in space is EXPENSIVE. Who sponsored this? 5 bucks from every HAM in the world?
Show me the money!
This is all about the calendar issue.
Executives like integrated calendars.
They REALLY like to mail people meetings, and click the "tell me when the sucker opens this meeting bomb" flag.
The solution:
-find some press clippings covering the fortune 500 companies who were devastated by iloveyou.
-make virus-disaster-recovery a line item expense. figure out how much losing email for two to three days as well as having lots of files destroyed would cost. make it a line item expense.
-take into account the fact that because outlook+exchange=email worm, everyone's hard drive must be backed up every day on a network file server so you can restore them all when a worm wipes every hard drive in the company. make this a line item expense.
submit your quote to the company for about a million dollars in losses a year, plus the backup system. then when they ask "can't we get around this email worm thing with a firewall or something?"
say: "no, email worms are a feature inherent in the outlook and exchange products and that feature cannot be disabled".
stick to your guns.
I hope they don't make it too easy to order.
Imagine sitting in a meeting, when your phone starts playing a Brittney Spears song, and in your frantic attempts to make it stop, you accidentally order 10 copies...
I'm pretty sure that's a scene from Dante's Inferno...
Ok maybe I'm just stupid, but will someone please tell me what the deal is with pokey the penguin?
what's the joke? is there a story behind it?
Here's a question or two for them:
1)What happens if I release my thesis into the public domain under the GPL before I hand it in to my professor?
2)What if I am not paid to write my thesis? (If I am paid to write my thesis, may I charge on an hourly basis?
3)If my thesis is considered the University's work for hire, what will be the penalties imposed on me for speaking about my thesis in public? Is there a grace period during which I can legally speak about my thesis?
4)After I hand in my thesis, is it legal for me to think about my thesis, or must I stop thinking about it until I have legally purchased a copy?
Can you imagine Orrin Hatch walking into a middle school and trying to show kids his web site on their computers, only to find himself BLOCKED!
Then he'd have to circumvent an access protection device to access to his own web page, and we could lock him up for 10 years for breaking a law he sponsored!
Oh my dear god, i'm nearly creaming my pants thinking about it.
:: Ghost in the Shell : Blade Runner
oops.
You were doing great until you took one of the best movies ever made and tried to compare it to that movie where harrison ford tries to act like a robot, but succeeds only in imitating himself. I'm not sure how it ends, i fell alseep, but hopefully mr. ford dies. with luck he dies folded up like a paper crane, but beggars can't be choosers.
I think a more accurate analogy would have been:
Cool World : Ghost in the Shell
But then that's just me, and I don't snort as much coke as george bush, so i could be wrong.
I am a one-issue voter this year. I am voting AGAINST everyone who voted for the DMCA.
I live in maryland. Both the incumbent senators voted for the DMCA, so it's easy, just vote for anyone but them.
for president, both bush & gore are pro-DMCA so it's easy, just vote for anyone but them.
but the House is another story. The house did a voice vote on the DMCA, so I don't know who voted for it. does anyone have any ideas on how to get a list of representatives who are publicly pro-DMCA and anti-free-speech?
help please!
The goal of any journalistic organization is to report the news that is of interest to its audience.
I so TOTALLY agree!
From the story: "the ps2 is a cheap full featured DVD" player
The problem is that they are NOT reporting the news that is of interest to the audience. The two most important features of any DVD player are that it:
1) Doesn't support an assault on the U.S. Constitution.
2) Doesn't restrict how we play DVD's in any way.
The Sony PS2 does not have either of these features, therefore it is very far from a "full-featured DVD player", like those available here.
It's not groupthink. It's FACTTHINK.
If a manufacturer stops selling a title, why don't they partner with sites like this who are already making the title available, and come up with a licensing agreement? You can't buy Electronic Art's "Balance of Power" anymore. They're not making money. Why are they spending money to send out cease-and-desist letters? Where's the revenue stream? What's the business model?
Does this make sense to anyone?!?
Or is this just a FORM LETTER that someone at the IDSA sends out everytime they see software on the Internet?
You decide...
The reason I won't use the PS2 as a DVD player is that it:
a) is restricted to DVD region 1.
b) uses Macrovision to prevent me from using my VCR to switch between it and my Sega Dreamcast.
In addition, licensing fees from the PS2 go to Sony and the MPAA, who are waging a war against free speech and the Constitution every day.
Enough said.