I disagree. that's like saying the world has enough operating systems, who needs another? We have windows and linux, that's all the world needs. Who needs BeOS? who needs MacOS?
Each highlevel language is good for certain things, they each have their own niche.
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I really can't think of an employer who WANTS their employees to look at porn. I mean, really. Yes, I'm sure our employers want us to be at work longer, but what's the point of being at work longer if you're not getting anything done?
Students use instant messaging a lot! God, no! it's some faculty conspiracy?? No! How many times have I messaged my prof's? umm.. let's try zero. I message friends essentially exclusively. I'm not working, when I'm messaging (unless I'm ICQing as I'm coding.. which is possible..). The point is, ICQ detracts from work, it doesn't add to it.
Yes, I'll warrant that we're working longer hours, and we're more available, but I doubt that's part of some evil corporate conspiracy. Yes, I'll warrant that layoff's are up (though I'm not sure of that one.. any stats on that??), but it's not some The Man using technology against us as Jon would apparently have us believe.
also, people 18-35 being more stressed? Aren't these people in the prime of their life? Aren't they trying to find jobs and make some sense of their lives? I bet that this age group has always (well.. for quite some time.. ) been pretty stressed.
Notice how all the news on here is from places like Reuters and AP? He's not writing it, he's collecting it.
As a clarification, what I meant was, he's not an independent news source, that's working for free. Those would be difficult to find. It's considerably easier to set up Katz's "Open" media site, compared to an actual news-producing site.
I'm not going to completely slam this article, Jon, but what I am going to say is that "grownups" aren't this big evil that starts nasty corporations to keep us "individuals" down. For godsakes.
The only issue I have with this article is your continuing over-zealousness. Yes, sites like/. are excellent news sources, but they don't produce much news of their own. They get their news from what you have dubbed "closed" media sources. For example, if I want to do research on 3rd world countries, I doubt I'm going to have a whole lot of luck finding a webpage filled with news of (say) somalia that somebody maintains on his own. He's going to want compensation, otherwise, he's not going to have the time nor the energy to make the site worth anything.
My point is, in this "information explosion," "closed" media is just as important as "open" media (to use your buzzwords). In fact, I'd argue that the latter couldn't exist without the former.
Another point, why are americans more info hungry than the rest of the world? I'd be willing to bet money that the english and the spanish and the like are just as information hungry as we are.
One last point: You seem to place yourself as part of the "open" media. Where in "open" media does a comment like, "If you want to write about stuff that concerns you, get your own column." fit in? Isn't "open" media all about what the consumer wants?
Have you eaten there? They make really good food! I mean.. I'm sure that there are better restaurants than Outback, but man.. it's still really good food.
No.. I think his point is that Hitler and the Mongols were oppressing people. Somebody opening up a McDonald's or a Burger King is not oppression. "Gods! Don't offer to sell me food! No.. anything but that! I could choose NOT to eat it! No!! I'm being oppressed!"
I think not.
You have valid avenues of expressing your displeasure of a particular franchise or event. Vandalism is not a valid avenue.
I agree that it's all fine and dandy that he did something about it, but as someone else pointed out farther up the thread, violence should be a sort of last resort. Even the revolutionary war was a LAST resort, when all other avenues had been closed. Random violence and vandalism doesn't say anything but "I'm a thug." Choosing not to eat at McDonald's says a whole lot more.
This guy doesn't deserve a medal, he deserves jail time.
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all too true.. but then again, I'm a bad christian/catholic, because I hold that the bible and the church aren't always right.
I think maybe, when they did eat from the forbidden tree, god realized how important free will really was.
WTF? I get done defending you from somebody being a jerk, and I turn around to find you doing the exact same thing.
Now, I also happen to be Catholic. Catholicism is a branch of christianity. Now, I'm going to (attempt) to put my beliefs aside, and ask "is it possible to have a decent conversation without trying to draw blood? Maybe?
Ok, first off, that was totally freakin' uncalled for. He (Jon Erikson) is expressing his views, and while I don't quite agree with all of them you've really no bloody right to tell him to "sit down and shut the fuck up."
yeesh. I for one am not an atheist. At the same time, I also.. how would you put it.. belong to the cult of science?" Even better, I'm christian.
I think I could argue that selective breeding is, as you put it, "tinkering with god's blueprint for life." It just happens to be in a much cruder form than genengineering.
"husks of men?" What gives you the right to judge them? You don't know them. I would argue that their "aim" is to better mankind and society.
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I whole-heartedly agree. When was it ever wrong to know? Man has always wanted to know things. It's what we do.
it's not evil to want to know more about yourself and the people around you. It's also not evil to want to better society. Doesn't anybody think that's what god would want?
Sure there are pitfalls inherent in any new technological discovery, but we deal with them.
I think that many people think much less of god and their fellow humans than they realize.
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I liked it better than the last one..
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anyway, Katz paints a.. bleak view of man. And specifically the US. Not to mention IV league schools and parents who "spend small fortunes on tutoring?" Man.. parents who want their kids to do well are jerks. Give them some credit, Jon. I mean, really.. no one's perfect, but they're also not the complete SOB's you make them out to be. It's true that the US loves itself, and loves to be the first to invent something, but hell, doesn't everybody?
Also: Stealing god's job? Do you really think we could? Assuming you meant that slightly literally, isn't it also possible that he left the genome there for us to find?
all in all, you're complete lack of faith in people is kinda disturbing.
not a problem.:-) that's what they pay me for! well.. actually, 'they' pay me to code, so I'll go back to that shortly.
That's very true, but that's more of a forum discussion, I don't think I agree with his "open"/"closed" idea. i mean, it's not a software model. We're commenting on articles, not quite adding to them. These articles and such on NYTimes and Salon are complete, finished works. We're acting more as commentators and editors than anything else.
The only thing I'm going to take offense at is the "post without reading." Sue me for being a quick reader.
Now, I'm going to wax serious, and attempt a coherent reply: I have enjoyed some of your articles Jon. In fact, I think you're decently talented (read some of my other comments attached to your older articles.. if they're saved that far back, I'm not sure). At the same time, you are not without flaws. Almost every article I've read of yours has had a flagrant sense of oversimplification and sensationalism. You consistently take ideas and stereotype them.
One of the specific themes I got from this particular article is that "closed" media is dying, in part because it doesn't understand open information models. You paint a picture of all these dying news agencies that can't stand against the new, smarter "open" groups. I submit that it's not that cut and dry. I still love to get some of my news from places like the NY times and IBD.
One also finds that you take common buzzwords and sprinkle them throughout your articles. The words "open," "closed," and "geek" are just a few of the words that one is likely to find. Again, you paint a picture of all things linux being beset upon by a sort of old guard. Let me rephrase that: when I say "all things linux," I am trying to convey a sense of.. the many social/emotional causes that are oft times found to be important to readers of this site.
I do apologize for the.. ah sarcastic nature of the last comment I posted, but at the same time, I think it's sortof characteristic of things I often find in your articles. Please, reply if you've the time & inclination. I'd like to hear your thoughts (seriously, I mean only respect).
man. everything's open and closed. I can see the next jonkatz article: the war in the fashion industry: open or closed clothing! fashion designers refuse to see the revolution in their industry started by linux. open clothing allows the skin to breathe easier, something linux advocates and geeks everywhere have been saying is important for years.
It can only get worse from there. I mean, what else can he do? do they just pickwords with a random number generator and then feed them into the katz-script??
But then, what about companies that provide manuals and such? I mean, (and I'm begging to get shot right here), I use M$VC++ pretty regularly, and some of the stuff in there is kinda useful. and what if you have to distribute something with like 10 CD's? you're going to have to take up more space. Because of that loophole, people (or companies) are going to find ways around the so-called standard.
for instance, they could start giving out free demos or something, just so they could put things in larger boxes, just so they could be more noticeable, while at the same time giving them the ability to say, "we're giving the consumer MORE!" Wow. that was a mouthful.
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well, yeah.. but what about someone else who's reading/updating your code?
I'd be like WTF.. this guy thinks tuesday's a color?
now i have to figure out what the heck he thinks tuesday is..
keeping things strongly typed is only a boon in my opinion.
I disagree. that's like saying the world has enough operating systems, who needs another? We have windows and linux, that's all the world needs. Who needs BeOS? who needs MacOS? Each highlevel language is good for certain things, they each have their own niche. -V
I think Jon is looking for friends: he's hoping to appeal to our oppressed livelihoods. Down with da Man!!
If Jon thinks it's bad, it's being run by old white dudes.
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I really can't think of an employer who WANTS their employees to look at porn. I mean, really. Yes, I'm sure our employers want us to be at work longer, but what's the point of being at work longer if you're not getting anything done?
Students use instant messaging a lot! God, no! it's some faculty conspiracy?? No! How many times have I messaged my prof's? umm.. let's try zero. I message friends essentially exclusively. I'm not working, when I'm messaging (unless I'm ICQing as I'm coding.. which is possible..). The point is, ICQ detracts from work, it doesn't add to it.
Yes, I'll warrant that we're working longer hours, and we're more available, but I doubt that's part of some evil corporate conspiracy. Yes, I'll warrant that layoff's are up (though I'm not sure of that one.. any stats on that??), but it's not some The Man using technology against us as Jon would apparently have us believe.
also, people 18-35 being more stressed? Aren't these people in the prime of their life? Aren't they trying to find jobs and make some sense of their lives? I bet that this age group has always (well.. for quite some time.. ) been pretty stressed.
gaaaaaaaa
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Notice how all the news on here is from places like Reuters and AP? He's not writing it, he's collecting it.
As a clarification, what I meant was, he's not an independent news source, that's working for free. Those would be difficult to find. It's considerably easier to set up Katz's "Open" media site, compared to an actual news-producing site.
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"The grownups don't like it one bit."
I'm not going to completely slam this article, Jon, but what I am going to say is that "grownups" aren't this big evil that starts nasty corporations to keep us "individuals" down. For godsakes.
The only issue I have with this article is your continuing over-zealousness. Yes, sites like /. are excellent news sources, but they don't produce much news of their own. They get their news from what you have dubbed "closed" media sources. For example, if I want to do research on 3rd world countries, I doubt I'm going to have a whole lot of luck finding a webpage filled with news of (say) somalia that somebody maintains on his own. He's going to want compensation, otherwise, he's not going to have the time nor the energy to make the site worth anything.
My point is, in this "information explosion," "closed" media is just as important as "open" media (to use your buzzwords). In fact, I'd argue that the latter couldn't exist without the former.
Another point, why are americans more info hungry than the rest of the world? I'd be willing to bet money that the english and the spanish and the like are just as information hungry as we are.
One last point: You seem to place yourself as part of the "open" media. Where in "open" media does a comment like, "If you want to write about stuff that concerns you, get your own column." fit in? Isn't "open" media all about what the consumer wants?
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Have you eaten there? They make really good food! I mean.. I'm sure that there are better restaurants than Outback, but man.. it's still really good food.
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No.. I think his point is that Hitler and the Mongols were oppressing people. Somebody opening up a McDonald's or a Burger King is not oppression. "Gods! Don't offer to sell me food! No.. anything but that! I could choose NOT to eat it! No!! I'm being oppressed!"
I think not.
You have valid avenues of expressing your displeasure of a particular franchise or event. Vandalism is not a valid avenue.
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I agree that it's all fine and dandy that he did something about it, but as someone else pointed out farther up the thread, violence should be a sort of last resort. Even the revolutionary war was a LAST resort, when all other avenues had been closed. Random violence and vandalism doesn't say anything but "I'm a thug." Choosing not to eat at McDonald's says a whole lot more.
This guy doesn't deserve a medal, he deserves jail time.
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all too true.. but then again, I'm a bad christian/catholic, because I hold that the bible and the church aren't always right.
I think maybe, when they did eat from the forbidden tree, god realized how important free will really was.
In theory, he hasn't turned his back yet..
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WTF? I get done defending you from somebody being a jerk, and I turn around to find you doing the exact same thing.
Now, I also happen to be Catholic. Catholicism is a branch of christianity. Now, I'm going to (attempt) to put my beliefs aside, and ask "is it possible to have a decent conversation without trying to draw blood? Maybe?
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Ok, first off, that was totally freakin' uncalled for. He (Jon Erikson) is expressing his views, and while I don't quite agree with all of them you've really no bloody right to tell him to "sit down and shut the fuck up."
Try keeping things civl, eh?
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Isn't it possible that these geneticists are approaching one of god's most amazing creations (life) with awe, wonder, and love?
Are you assuming that they're doing this to further they're own evil plans?
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yeesh. I for one am not an atheist. At the same time, I also.. how would you put it.. belong to the cult of science?" Even better, I'm christian.
I think I could argue that selective breeding is, as you put it, "tinkering with god's blueprint for life." It just happens to be in a much cruder form than genengineering.
"husks of men?" What gives you the right to judge them? You don't know them. I would argue that their "aim" is to better mankind and society.
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I whole-heartedly agree. When was it ever wrong to know? Man has always wanted to know things. It's what we do.
it's not evil to want to know more about yourself and the people around you. It's also not evil to want to better society. Doesn't anybody think that's what god would want?
Sure there are pitfalls inherent in any new technological discovery, but we deal with them.
I think that many people think much less of god and their fellow humans than they realize.
-V
anyway, Katz paints a.. bleak view of man. And specifically the US. Not to mention IV league schools and parents who "spend small fortunes on tutoring?" Man.. parents who want their kids to do well are jerks. Give them some credit, Jon. I mean, really.. no one's perfect, but they're also not the complete SOB's you make them out to be. It's true that the US loves itself, and loves to be the first to invent something, but hell, doesn't everybody?
Also: Stealing god's job? Do you really think we could? Assuming you meant that slightly literally, isn't it also possible that he left the genome there for us to find?
all in all, you're complete lack of faith in people is kinda disturbing.
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Where are you getting your statistics from? You haven't once (to my knowledge) actually given any proof.
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I really do believe that while he has talent, the articles he's putting up on /. are pretty much crap.
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That's very true, but that's more of a forum discussion, I don't think I agree with his "open"/"closed" idea. i mean, it's not a software model. We're commenting on articles, not quite adding to them. These articles and such on NYTimes and Salon are complete, finished works. We're acting more as commentators and editors than anything else.
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Jon,
The only thing I'm going to take offense at is the "post without reading." Sue me for being a quick reader.
Now, I'm going to wax serious, and attempt a coherent reply: I have enjoyed some of your articles Jon. In fact, I think you're decently talented (read some of my other comments attached to your older articles.. if they're saved that far back, I'm not sure). At the same time, you are not without flaws. Almost every article I've read of yours has had a flagrant sense of oversimplification and sensationalism. You consistently take ideas and stereotype them.
One of the specific themes I got from this particular article is that "closed" media is dying, in part because it doesn't understand open information models. You paint a picture of all these dying news agencies that can't stand against the new, smarter "open" groups. I submit that it's not that cut and dry. I still love to get some of my news from places like the NY times and IBD.
One also finds that you take common buzzwords and sprinkle them throughout your articles. The words "open," "closed," and "geek" are just a few of the words that one is likely to find. Again, you paint a picture of all things linux being beset upon by a sort of old guard. Let me rephrase that: when I say "all things linux," I am trying to convey a sense of.. the many social/emotional causes that are oft times found to be important to readers of this site.
I do apologize for the.. ah sarcastic nature of the last comment I posted, but at the same time, I think it's sortof characteristic of things I often find in your articles. Please, reply if you've the time & inclination. I'd like to hear your thoughts (seriously, I mean only respect).
If you want, e-mailing me would also work.
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man. everything's open and closed. I can see the next jonkatz article: the war in the fashion industry: open or closed clothing! fashion designers refuse to see the revolution in their industry started by linux. open clothing allows the skin to breathe easier, something linux advocates and geeks everywhere have been saying is important for years.
It can only get worse from there. I mean, what else can he do? do they just pickwords with a random number generator and then feed them into the katz-script??
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That's the closed thing to a contact I found.
Definitely.. saying nice things goes much farther..
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for instance, they could start giving out free demos or something, just so they could put things in larger boxes, just so they could be more noticeable, while at the same time giving them the ability to say, "we're giving the consumer MORE!" Wow. that was a mouthful.
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Yup.. doggone those linux distributions that come in huge boxes. total vaporware..
Let's all join against the evils of corporate marketing and right our OWN free Operating.. oh.. wait.. d'oh.
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