Obviously, according to Apple, Samsung did the design, finished the molds and tooling, manufactured a prototype and shipped it to the Barcelona GSM conference in less than a month while their own design cycle took years. Then Samsung managed to get it working, manufacture it, and make it available only 4 months after Apple put the iPhone in the market. Pfft. Obviously Samsung had evidence that they were working on the F700 the year before; long before the iPhone was announced. Is this surprising? Do any of you people know the time for a regular electronics design cycle? At the same GSM Barcelona conference the F700 was announced the Neonode N2 was being displayed with a functional prototype. It is a clear example of convergent design but Apple as usual prefers to think someone copied them.
Bollocks. Samsung stopped the policy of doing as little R&D as possible in the early 1990s when they changed CEOs to Lee Kun-hee. After that Samsung started massively investing in R&D and aimed for quality rather than just quantity. If you had any knowledge of the electronics business you would know this. Samsung is the world's largest DRAM and Flash manufacturer and they consistently manage to be the market leaders in quality as well. Whenever you hear about someone manufacturing the currently largest density memory device the company doing it is nearly invariably Samsung. They are also a leader in displays. Did you see many other AMOLED displays on cellphones when the Samsung Galaxy S came out? Certainly not Apple which manufactures squat.
So you are claiming Samsung doesn't make money selling their phones? Where do the billions in damages Apple wants to milk from Samsung allegedly from their profit by selling smartphones come from then? Just because Apple is only content with obscenely large profits of the kind only a monopoly can grant doesn't mean the business isn't profitable at all. For comparison check their market share and profits where they actually have competition like PCs or music player devices.
By your standard the original iPhone wasn't a smartphone either. You couldn't install apps. This was at the time Steve Jobs claimed you could write your apps in HTML and Javascript and run it from inside the browser or go shaft yourself. At best you had hyperlinks. Only Apple could write apps for the system.
If you can't trust the people of the jury to do their job why bother with a jury at all? Clearly you do not know anything about how it works. If a member of the jury reaches a decision based on facts gleamed from the news, or word of mouth, or whatever from outside the court they can be removed from the jury. If it is considered they have poisoned the opinion of the rest of the jury there can be a mistrial. Heck IANAL and even I know that.
I guess I have to repeat the link posted above by someone else since some people still don't seem to get the point:
Regarding the motion to seal potential evidence at trial, the Court has made clear to the
parties that all evidence introduced at trial will be open to the public, with the narrow exception of
“exceptionally sensitive information that truly deserves protection.” Order at 2, ECF No. 1256
(citing Oracle Am. v. Google, Inc., No. 10-CV-03561-WHA, at ECF No. 540). With a July 30,
2012 trial date, this case has reached a stage of the proceedings where “the presumption of
openness will apply to all documents[,] and only documents of exceptionally sensitive information
that truly deserve protection will be allowed to be redacted or kept from the public.” ECF No.
1256 at 3.
Sheesh! Who would confuse the Galaxy S with an iPhone or the Galaxy Tab with the iPad? Besides having the word SAMSUNG in the front they are clearly distinguishable. First time I saw a Galaxy S I was flabbergasted at how beautiful it looked despite owning an iPhone 3GS and having used an iPhone 4. The Galaxy Tab is completely different than the iPad. Clearly you never had any of these devices in your hand and are talking out of your ass.
Apple "lost" to the Galaxy S series because the iPhone 4 was a dud. Remember the antenna design troubles which Apple "solved" with a plastic outer casing which they initially wanted users to pay for because they said it wasn't a design failure? My friend had one of those. I still remember people trying to hide their iPhone at the time. People were embarrassed from having an iPhone. My boss had planned to buy an iPhone and ended up with a Galaxy S because of that crap. Then Apple throws a hissy fit that Samsung caused them to lose market share. Cry me a river.
The UK judge did well to dismiss their stupid case with a cheeky comment. Apple fanatics are so stupid many of them didn't even take the hint. They don't "get" British humor.
Patents applications are only made public by the patent office after they are granted which may take years to happen. Never heard of submarine patents?
So what? The evidence isn't accepted in court and he did not present it. Great. Done. Doesn't mean squat about him not being able to discuss it with the media which is not part of the proceedings at all. Wouldn't you feel chaffed if you had submitted proof that Samsung had been designing the F700 before the iPhone was released, the proof was rejected, then Apple in its opening procedure displays the F700 as proof that Samsung "copied" the iPhone on purpose? He tried to dispute it after a clear challenge and the judge didn't allow it (which was something out of bizarro world but he still complied). The media inquires about it because they want to know and you show them the information you have.
Funny how the "evidence" that Samsung obviously copied the design because Apple designed it first behind closed doors (which is a fallacy) showed up in the news (remember all those Apple prototype screenshots leaked to the press?) and the judge wasn't angry or displeased at the time.
Assuming this trial goes forward the most likely outcome is that Samsung will lose. The judge is doing everything in her power to make this a kangaroo court. This is obvious from her pattern of actions from barring the sale of Samsung's products to asking for the jury to act like Samsung had willingly destroyed its own records to hinder the proceedings.
This is one of those times I wish/. had an edit button. Ah well. You probably figured I wrote that bit wrong from the tone used in the rest of the post.
With the current economic crisis in Europe? No way. Even before the crisis blew up they were dragging their feet all the time. Remember the ATV derived manned transportation systems proposed by Astrium? Then there is the Vinci engine which is a high-performance upper stage engine capable of multiple restarts. They have tested it to death and have been waiting for years for a Ariane 5 second stage that uses it to be funded.
Actually the way that uranium was separated for the Manhattan Project was tremendously inefficient and expensive. Iran has a larger population than the US and dollars depreciate in value due to inflation. This is why they are bothering with centrifuges. Well that and the fact that the technology is not supposed to be particularly hard to implement with a reasonable industrial base. Centrifuge separation is much more efficient than either of the processes used in the US to separate the uranium for its nuclear weapons. Why did they fail to do the weapons before? Having a revolution may have helped delay the project. After the revolution they had to fight the Iran-Iraq war. Then they had sanctions. It is well known that the Iranian army, which used to be the strongest army in the region when the Shah was in power, was recklessly abandoned and lots of people were ousted from the military in favor of Islamic revolutionary brigades or whatever. The result was that when Saddam invaded in the Iran-Iraq War they lost terribly until they got back some of the ex-military people to have a military edge for breakthroughs while they used massed human wave attacks to overwhelm the Iraqi positions. The revolutionary brigades did not know how to handle the more advanced military weapons platforms.
Iranians are not stupid. I have met several which are professors or researchers in universities all over North America and they manage to compete against other researchers very well. Their grasp of mathematics and geometry is particularly good. The US may have had the Depression and WWII but their enemies were an ocean away.
You can use pumped-storage to store power at peak hours to be used off-peak.If you have enough cheap energy you can generate any fuel you need even if all you have at the starting point is CO2 and water. Solar panels can be made without rare earth minerals. It is all a matter of economics. Once solar panels get cost effective enough it will happen.
There is more to it than that. You may be generating power which no one wants to buy at that moment because there is excess capacity on the system. Or it could be that you are requiring electricity at a time when there is insufficient solar generation capacity which requires the use of a natural gas power plant which is idle most of the time but must still be built even if it spends most of its time unused.
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Obviously, according to Apple, Samsung did the design, finished the molds and tooling, manufactured a prototype and shipped it to the Barcelona GSM conference in less than a month while their own design cycle took years. Then Samsung managed to get it working, manufacture it, and make it available only 4 months after Apple put the iPhone in the market. Pfft. Obviously Samsung had evidence that they were working on the F700 the year before; long before the iPhone was announced. Is this surprising? Do any of you people know the time for a regular electronics design cycle? At the same GSM Barcelona conference the F700 was announced the Neonode N2 was being displayed with a functional prototype. It is a clear example of convergent design but Apple as usual prefers to think someone copied them.
Bollocks. Samsung stopped the policy of doing as little R&D as possible in the early 1990s when they changed CEOs to Lee Kun-hee. After that Samsung started massively investing in R&D and aimed for quality rather than just quantity. If you had any knowledge of the electronics business you would know this. Samsung is the world's largest DRAM and Flash manufacturer and they consistently manage to be the market leaders in quality as well. Whenever you hear about someone manufacturing the currently largest density memory device the company doing it is nearly invariably Samsung. They are also a leader in displays. Did you see many other AMOLED displays on cellphones when the Samsung Galaxy S came out? Certainly not Apple which manufactures squat.
So you are claiming Samsung doesn't make money selling their phones? Where do the billions in damages Apple wants to milk from Samsung allegedly from their profit by selling smartphones come from then? Just because Apple is only content with obscenely large profits of the kind only a monopoly can grant doesn't mean the business isn't profitable at all. For comparison check their market share and profits where they actually have competition like PCs or music player devices.
Expensive perhaps. Shit no. Heck I have a 30 year old Samsung TV which still works. You wouldn't even recognize the logo.
The lawyer seems to have pulled a Xanatos Gambit on the Judge.
You are conveniently forgetting the Apple "leaks" ever since the case started.
Bingo.
By your standard the original iPhone wasn't a smartphone either. You couldn't install apps. This was at the time Steve Jobs claimed you could write your apps in HTML and Javascript and run it from inside the browser or go shaft yourself. At best you had hyperlinks. Only Apple could write apps for the system.
If you can't trust the people of the jury to do their job why bother with a jury at all? Clearly you do not know anything about how it works. If a member of the jury reaches a decision based on facts gleamed from the news, or word of mouth, or whatever from outside the court they can be removed from the jury. If it is considered they have poisoned the opinion of the rest of the jury there can be a mistrial. Heck IANAL and even I know that.
I guess I have to repeat the link posted above by someone else since some people still don't seem to get the point:
Regarding the motion to seal potential evidence at trial, the Court has made clear to the parties that all evidence introduced at trial will be open to the public, with the narrow exception of “exceptionally sensitive information that truly deserves protection.” Order at 2, ECF No. 1256 (citing Oracle Am. v. Google, Inc., No. 10-CV-03561-WHA, at ECF No. 540). With a July 30, 2012 trial date, this case has reached a stage of the proceedings where “the presumption of openness will apply to all documents[,] and only documents of exceptionally sensitive information that truly deserve protection will be allowed to be redacted or kept from the public.” ECF No. 1256 at 3.
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Sheesh! Who would confuse the Galaxy S with an iPhone or the Galaxy Tab with the iPad? Besides having the word SAMSUNG in the front they are clearly distinguishable. First time I saw a Galaxy S I was flabbergasted at how beautiful it looked despite owning an iPhone 3GS and having used an iPhone 4. The Galaxy Tab is completely different than the iPad. Clearly you never had any of these devices in your hand and are talking out of your ass.
Apple "lost" to the Galaxy S series because the iPhone 4 was a dud. Remember the antenna design troubles which Apple "solved" with a plastic outer casing which they initially wanted users to pay for because they said it wasn't a design failure? My friend had one of those. I still remember people trying to hide their iPhone at the time. People were embarrassed from having an iPhone. My boss had planned to buy an iPhone and ended up with a Galaxy S because of that crap. Then Apple throws a hissy fit that Samsung caused them to lose market share. Cry me a river.
The UK judge did well to dismiss their stupid case with a cheeky comment. Apple fanatics are so stupid many of them didn't even take the hint. They don't "get" British humor.
Patents applications are only made public by the patent office after they are granted which may take years to happen. Never heard of submarine patents?
So what? The evidence isn't accepted in court and he did not present it. Great. Done. Doesn't mean squat about him not being able to discuss it with the media which is not part of the proceedings at all. Wouldn't you feel chaffed if you had submitted proof that Samsung had been designing the F700 before the iPhone was released, the proof was rejected, then Apple in its opening procedure displays the F700 as proof that Samsung "copied" the iPhone on purpose? He tried to dispute it after a clear challenge and the judge didn't allow it (which was something out of bizarro world but he still complied). The media inquires about it because they want to know and you show them the information you have.
Funny how the "evidence" that Samsung obviously copied the design because Apple designed it first behind closed doors (which is a fallacy) showed up in the news (remember all those Apple prototype screenshots leaked to the press?) and the judge wasn't angry or displeased at the time.
Assuming this trial goes forward the most likely outcome is that Samsung will lose. The judge is doing everything in her power to make this a kangaroo court. This is obvious from her pattern of actions from barring the sale of Samsung's products to asking for the jury to act like Samsung had willingly destroyed its own records to hinder the proceedings.
This is one of those times I wish /. had an edit button. Ah well. You probably figured I wrote that bit wrong from the tone used in the rest of the post.
s/Iran has/Iran does not have/
With the current economic crisis in Europe? No way. Even before the crisis blew up they were dragging their feet all the time. Remember the ATV derived manned transportation systems proposed by Astrium? Then there is the Vinci engine which is a high-performance upper stage engine capable of multiple restarts. They have tested it to death and have been waiting for years for a Ariane 5 second stage that uses it to be funded.
It's think smart not work hard. If you think you can get rich simply by working hard you are sorely mistaken.
Are we counting Linux in cellphones, routers, toaster ovens, etc, etc?
Actually the way that uranium was separated for the Manhattan Project was tremendously inefficient and expensive. Iran has a larger population than the US and dollars depreciate in value due to inflation. This is why they are bothering with centrifuges. Well that and the fact that the technology is not supposed to be particularly hard to implement with a reasonable industrial base. Centrifuge separation is much more efficient than either of the processes used in the US to separate the uranium for its nuclear weapons. Why did they fail to do the weapons before? Having a revolution may have helped delay the project. After the revolution they had to fight the Iran-Iraq war. Then they had sanctions. It is well known that the Iranian army, which used to be the strongest army in the region when the Shah was in power, was recklessly abandoned and lots of people were ousted from the military in favor of Islamic revolutionary brigades or whatever. The result was that when Saddam invaded in the Iran-Iraq War they lost terribly until they got back some of the ex-military people to have a military edge for breakthroughs while they used massed human wave attacks to overwhelm the Iraqi positions. The revolutionary brigades did not know how to handle the more advanced military weapons platforms.
Iranians are not stupid. I have met several which are professors or researchers in universities all over North America and they manage to compete against other researchers very well. Their grasp of mathematics and geometry is particularly good. The US may have had the Depression and WWII but their enemies were an ocean away.
You can use pumped-storage to store power at peak hours to be used off-peak.If you have enough cheap energy you can generate any fuel you need even if all you have at the starting point is CO2 and water. Solar panels can be made without rare earth minerals. It is all a matter of economics. Once solar panels get cost effective enough it will happen.
There is more to it than that. You may be generating power which no one wants to buy at that moment because there is excess capacity on the system. Or it could be that you are requiring electricity at a time when there is insufficient solar generation capacity which requires the use of a natural gas power plant which is idle most of the time but must still be built even if it spends most of its time unused.
They were also used by Jews to hide money from the Nazis.
Confuse the jury? They aren't supposed to be reading the news.