Steve Jobs presented Toy Story [youtube.com] at SIGGRAPH 1995, an industry group that he has no affiliation with. The animators, who were affiliated with SIGGRAPH, had to watch from the backstage
Er what? Are you saying that Pixar didn't actually make Toy Story? Is that what you are saying?
From your story, it sounds like Disney did a lot for Pixar.
And Pixar did a lot for Disney. Do you remember what Disney do for the Pixar films? They didn't fund them. Pixar did that. They didn't make them. Pixar did that. Disney distributed them. Initially Disney also owned the rights to the early films which Pixar found onerous. So Disney mades tons of money off Pixar in multiple ways. What would Disney been between 1995 and 2006 without Pixar.
While some studies say that open office workers are less happy, there's nothing to say that all Apple programmers will work in open offices. Indeed some of their teams might have closed off sections like those working on the top secret projects that Apple doesn't want anyone to know about.
Pixar was a company he bought off from George Lucas, who needed cash after his divorce, that burnt through his money until Toy Story came along, and then took credit for something he had almost nothing to do with..
When did he take credit for anything at Pixar except funding it for the initial 10 years? He never said that he did any of the work in those early years. For the first 10 years Pixar did run on Job's money, however, he engineered the first Disney deal that led to Toy Story. Jobs also took Pixar public. Jobs was CEO until Disney bought it out in 2006 which saw Pixar rise to be the juggernaut it is today. So Jobs did a lot for Pixar.
If you are going to the trouble of removing the cables, I would replace them RG6 instead. Also if you pulling out cables, you might want to run other cables like Fiber optic or speaker wire for surround sound.
Wow you don't understand the oil industry at all.
Let me put this as simplify this as much as I can:
In 2008, oil hit a peak price of $144/barrel. At the time the US produced 1.8B barrels and imported 3.6B barrels of oil of which 0.7B came from Canada. At 1.8B, it was also the lowest amount of US oil production in the last 60 years.
According to you, the US has plenty of oil. Yet the US imported twice as much oil as they produced. Yet the US produced the lowest amount of oil in the last 60 years during an oil boom. Yet they imported 20% of their oil from Canada who somehow was making lots of money on their expensive oil sands oil. Yet they didn't start drilling into this cheap oil shale reservoir (and every single reservoir) that they had. Every single US oil company decided not to make lots of money during that time period when they should have been tapping into all reserves and preferred to import 20% of their oil from Canada.
OR
You have no idea of how the oil industry works.
If it's not sufficiently obvious then that's what we have courts and tribunals to decide. However, selling a high-end electronic product for hundreds of bucks with hardware that could last a decade and then nerfing it artificially through software after a couple of years surely wouldn't qualify.
You didn't answer the question. You just rambled. What standard do you expect Apple to follow? Please be specific.
How many years, exactly?
At least 2 years for iOS. Starting Sept 2014, the migration to 64 bit was noted by Apple.
We've got iThings here that are 5-6 years old and still going strong, but we've lost the use of some apps on them purely because of the way Apple has driven iOS updates and what's allowed in the App Store in the intervening period.
You've made multiple assertions in that claim. What do you mean specifically "the way Apple has driven iOS updates"?
Were the developers of those apps given sufficient notice to avoid this problem?
At least 2 years. It might be 3 years by the time iOS 11 is launched.
And if we don't update to iOS11 so we can keep using software that currently works, will we still be safe and secure connecting our iPhones and iPads to the Internet?
And why woudn't you?
I wouldn't know, because we're still running Windows 7, in our view the last acceptable version of Windows. That's an option we have because Microsoft still issues Windows 7 security fixes without requiring updates to later Windows versions that might break application compatibility, by the way.
MS says you cannot run Office 2003 on Windowws 8 or newer. Those two pieces of software are from the same company. By the way Windows 7 is EOL but MS will continue to create security updates until 2020. Then you'll need OS and possible all new productivity software.
The difference is that new GNU/Linux or new Windows can run old GNU/Linux or old Windows isolated in a virtual machine. By contrast, iOS is locked down so hard that this isn't possible.
VMs are irrelevant to the discussion. The fact of the matter is if upgrading Windows breaks your app, you can't do anything about it except wait for an update.
Your analogy fails because someone who was running XP enjoyed security updates for many years without needing to upgrade to 7 if they didn't want the other changes, such as those that would break important applications or device drivers for them.
Your analogy fails because XP is no longer updated and thus suffers from security holes.
No, my point - and one that you CONTINUE to ignore because you have a crusade to push - is that other sources of crude are cheaper to extract for the US. So we do those instead of the shale oil. Once again:
You seem to ignore basic facts when they destroy your argument. I pointed out with facts that your assertion is simply false. If extracting is profitable at $30/barrel why didn't anyone extract one iota of the oil during all the years when it was profitable to do so. After all, your entire premise is that the US has plenty of oil with this reservoir. Yet they didn't touch it. Either every oil company is simply stupid for not doing so or they understand the economics of oil more than you.
THE TAR SANDS ARE IN CANADA AND ARE NOT IN THE US!,
The point of the tar sands which is clearly over your head is that crude oil was high enough, Canadian oil companies used the tar sands which are even higher in cost than your shale oil. If we go by your assertion, every single US oil company should have started drilling into the Green River reservoir long ago.
HOWEVER, the US still has LOTS of other resources of oil well below $30 per barrel, and will continue to pump that until it exceeds that price. Then we could switch over to the Green River formation and pump that.
That's not what you said. Are you forgetting what you said?
Bottom line: we have well over 2 centuries of proven oil reserves within the US, and most of that can be extracted at around $30 or less per barrel. You want to argue that?
You have yet to actually prove that. I did. You simply refuse to admit that you're just wrong.
You want to argue that? Go ahead - bring a fact or two, because I've proven my case repeatedly with nicely linked facts, and your position is completely irrelevant because it stands on a FOREIGN COUNTRY with DIFFERENT RESOURCES behaving in a different manner.
No you brought in erroneous and irrelevant excuses instead of merely accepting that facts don't coincide with your assertions.
Big difference - Windows XP didn't delete your applications when Windows 10 came out. A user should be able to run their old software for as long as they want. They paid for it and it may be the only way to access their data. If you think you can throw money at any developer and they will magically upgrade the software you're misinformed.
No, both have been paid for a specific product. That product should be fit for purpose and of a reasonable standard. This is basic honesty in sales, and there are laws with similar effect in many places as well.
And what is that standard? iOS has been 32 bit for years. Developers were notified in advance for years. If you don't update to iOS11, you're fine with the old apps.
Any of these vendors are free to update their products to attract new business, but that doesn't mean they get to just abandon everyone whose money they already took if they supplied something substandard that stops working unreasonably quickly.
So you can use Office 2003 with Windows 8? No. And they're from the same company.
It's funny how Apple's model assumes that small developers will support their $5 apps indefinitely, but not that a huge business will provide essential security updates for their $500 devices and operating systems (without breaking anything else) for the same period.
And what do you mean by essential security updates? iOS support generally lasts years after the device is no longer sold. I can't say the same for Android where you have to figure out which phone, carrier, version, subversion, etc. to figure out if you can get an update 6 months after you bought it.
Also so do you expect ever single Windows application that worked on XP to work on 7. How about on 8, 8.1, or 10? Every single Windows version breaks some application applications but do you hold MS accountable for the same standard? What about Linux? While minor versions don't normally break older applications, major revisions can especially with kernel changes.
See that date? June 2016! How many normal people do know that the 4S was OK on June 12, 2016 but is as good as dead from June 13, 2016? I expect to be scorned for picking a wrong date.
What slimy bullshit.
iPhone 4s: Released October 14, 2011. Originally OS: iOS 5.0. Max OS: 9.3.5. First discontinued: Sept 2014. So you're complaining that you assumed on June 12, 2016 that a phone that had already been announced as discontinued almost 2 years prior would get iOS10. Note that Apple never said it would support iOS 10. And your entire world was destroyed one day later when Apple officially said it would not.
iPhone 5S? they'll likely find some lame excuse to deprecate it.
You mean besides the lame excuse that the model almost 4 years old now and was discontinued Sept 2016?
The same thing they have to do whenever applications don't work on Windows, Android, or whatever OS after an update: Either don't upgrade to the latest version and keep the application or update the OS and wait for the developer to release a new version. If the developer never releases a new version, sorry.
What they should do is go "hey user, there's an iOS upgrade but we won't upgrade your iOS until you remove these offending apps: x, y, z. Would you like us to do it for you? yes/no".
Should be simple and completely under customer control. Apparently this is a very novel way of thinking.
Have you used software within the last 30 years? Every major update of Windows suffers from this problem. Some major updates of Linux suffer the same problem. Every OS has the chance of wrecking applications so they no longer work including MacOS and iOS. However in cases not involving iOS, there are almost never any warnings about application incompatibility. And the fact of the matter is that iOS users aren't "force updated" like you imply. Users can choose not to update or auto-update.
It sucks that Apple make the late minute decision to just screw us and their users over like this.
By last minute do you mean since October 2014 when Apple said that after Feb 2015, all apps must support 64 bit. Also when Apple rejected 32 bit apps submitted after June 2015. And in Sept 2016 when Apple started removing apps that were not 64 bit. Now Apple never said for sure that iOS 11 would be 64 bit only but to say "it's a last minute decision" is disingenuous.
So Michael Flynn who had a security clearance talking to the Russian Ambassador then lying about it is political? Jeff Sessions meeting with the Russians then forgetting about the meeting is political? The Trump administration vehemently then denying Kushner or Trump Jr or any Trump family member having meetings with Russians (then forgetting that they had multiple meetings) is political?
Personally I thought this story was certainly going to get bigger the moment the Trump administration vehemently denied any meetings even after their people were caught having meetings: Flynn, Sessions, etc.
You are saying that an American citizen speaking with a Russian citizen must be evidence of nefarious collusion.
No if both the American and the Russian were merely private citizens. However if the American has high level security clearance (Flynn) is calling the Russian Ambassador's private line (Sergey Kislyak), you don't think it prudent to figure who both are?
Tar sands are about $43 per barrel to break-even [oilsandsmagazine.com], and they are in Canada which means they are not part of the Green River shale formation in the USA.
So you're agreeing with me that using the tar sands is more expensive than shale oil but it was done during high oil prices and the Green River was not. That destroys your argument doesn't it?
A lot of the reason we are not producing out of the Green River formation is because of what was mentioned above (cheaper for us to produce in other US regions), and political roadblocks [house.gov] to actually developing that resource.
You like to ignore facts, don't you? Crude oil prices peaked at $144 in May 2008. In fact prices has been steadily rising since 2002. May 2008 was 6 months before Obama was elected and George W Bush was still president. The Green River formation crosses into the Republican states of Wyoming and Utah. Yet your reason why it was not developed was Obama who was not elected yet stood in the way. Or is it that your $30/barrel cost was wrong?
Another big difference is that these Ryzen 3s allow for overclocking but the comparative Intel Core i3s do not. More expensive Core i3 models will allow it.
In this case two of the three "features" of progressive web apps are what most people do not want. How is it innovative to offer them if people don't want them?
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If only Trump listened to Trump who criticized Obama for having 3 Chiefs of Staff in 3 years. The Internet is forever.
If I were to write a comedy skit about this presidency, no one would buy it because it would be too far fetched.
Steve Jobs presented Toy Story [youtube.com] at SIGGRAPH 1995, an industry group that he has no affiliation with. The animators, who were affiliated with SIGGRAPH, had to watch from the backstage
Er what? Are you saying that Pixar didn't actually make Toy Story? Is that what you are saying?
From your story, it sounds like Disney did a lot for Pixar.
And Pixar did a lot for Disney. Do you remember what Disney do for the Pixar films? They didn't fund them. Pixar did that. They didn't make them. Pixar did that. Disney distributed them. Initially Disney also owned the rights to the early films which Pixar found onerous. So Disney mades tons of money off Pixar in multiple ways. What would Disney been between 1995 and 2006 without Pixar.
While some studies say that open office workers are less happy, there's nothing to say that all Apple programmers will work in open offices. Indeed some of their teams might have closed off sections like those working on the top secret projects that Apple doesn't want anyone to know about.
Pixar was a company he bought off from George Lucas, who needed cash after his divorce, that burnt through his money until Toy Story came along, and then took credit for something he had almost nothing to do with..
When did he take credit for anything at Pixar except funding it for the initial 10 years? He never said that he did any of the work in those early years. For the first 10 years Pixar did run on Job's money, however, he engineered the first Disney deal that led to Toy Story. Jobs also took Pixar public. Jobs was CEO until Disney bought it out in 2006 which saw Pixar rise to be the juggernaut it is today. So Jobs did a lot for Pixar.
If you are going to the trouble of removing the cables, I would replace them RG6 instead. Also if you pulling out cables, you might want to run other cables like Fiber optic or speaker wire for surround sound.
Wow you don't understand the oil industry at all.
Let me put this as simplify this as much as I can:
In 2008, oil hit a peak price of $144/barrel. At the time the US produced 1.8B barrels and imported 3.6B barrels of oil of which 0.7B came from Canada. At 1.8B, it was also the lowest amount of US oil production in the last 60 years.
According to you, the US has plenty of oil. Yet the US imported twice as much oil as they produced. Yet the US produced the lowest amount of oil in the last 60 years during an oil boom. Yet they imported 20% of their oil from Canada who somehow was making lots of money on their expensive oil sands oil. Yet they didn't start drilling into this cheap oil shale reservoir (and every single reservoir) that they had. Every single US oil company decided not to make lots of money during that time period when they should have been tapping into all reserves and preferred to import 20% of their oil from Canada.
OR
You have no idea of how the oil industry works.
If it's not sufficiently obvious then that's what we have courts and tribunals to decide. However, selling a high-end electronic product for hundreds of bucks with hardware that could last a decade and then nerfing it artificially through software after a couple of years surely wouldn't qualify.
You didn't answer the question. You just rambled. What standard do you expect Apple to follow? Please be specific.
How many years, exactly?
At least 2 years for iOS. Starting Sept 2014, the migration to 64 bit was noted by Apple.
We've got iThings here that are 5-6 years old and still going strong, but we've lost the use of some apps on them purely because of the way Apple has driven iOS updates and what's allowed in the App Store in the intervening period.
You've made multiple assertions in that claim. What do you mean specifically "the way Apple has driven iOS updates"?
Were the developers of those apps given sufficient notice to avoid this problem?
At least 2 years. It might be 3 years by the time iOS 11 is launched.
And if we don't update to iOS11 so we can keep using software that currently works, will we still be safe and secure connecting our iPhones and iPads to the Internet?
And why woudn't you?
I wouldn't know, because we're still running Windows 7, in our view the last acceptable version of Windows. That's an option we have because Microsoft still issues Windows 7 security fixes without requiring updates to later Windows versions that might break application compatibility, by the way.
MS says you cannot run Office 2003 on Windowws 8 or newer. Those two pieces of software are from the same company. By the way Windows 7 is EOL but MS will continue to create security updates until 2020. Then you'll need OS and possible all new productivity software.
The difference is that new GNU/Linux or new Windows can run old GNU/Linux or old Windows isolated in a virtual machine. By contrast, iOS is locked down so hard that this isn't possible.
VMs are irrelevant to the discussion. The fact of the matter is if upgrading Windows breaks your app, you can't do anything about it except wait for an update.
Your analogy fails because someone who was running XP enjoyed security updates for many years without needing to upgrade to 7 if they didn't want the other changes, such as those that would break important applications or device drivers for them.
Your analogy fails because XP is no longer updated and thus suffers from security holes.
No, my point - and one that you CONTINUE to ignore because you have a crusade to push - is that other sources of crude are cheaper to extract for the US. So we do those instead of the shale oil. Once again:
You seem to ignore basic facts when they destroy your argument. I pointed out with facts that your assertion is simply false. If extracting is profitable at $30/barrel why didn't anyone extract one iota of the oil during all the years when it was profitable to do so. After all, your entire premise is that the US has plenty of oil with this reservoir. Yet they didn't touch it. Either every oil company is simply stupid for not doing so or they understand the economics of oil more than you.
THE TAR SANDS ARE IN CANADA AND ARE NOT IN THE US!,
The point of the tar sands which is clearly over your head is that crude oil was high enough, Canadian oil companies used the tar sands which are even higher in cost than your shale oil. If we go by your assertion, every single US oil company should have started drilling into the Green River reservoir long ago.
HOWEVER, the US still has LOTS of other resources of oil well below $30 per barrel, and will continue to pump that until it exceeds that price. Then we could switch over to the Green River formation and pump that.
That's not what you said. Are you forgetting what you said?
Bottom line: we have well over 2 centuries of proven oil reserves within the US, and most of that can be extracted at around $30 or less per barrel. You want to argue that?
You have yet to actually prove that. I did. You simply refuse to admit that you're just wrong.
You want to argue that? Go ahead - bring a fact or two, because I've proven my case repeatedly with nicely linked facts, and your position is completely irrelevant because it stands on a FOREIGN COUNTRY with DIFFERENT RESOURCES behaving in a different manner.
No you brought in erroneous and irrelevant excuses instead of merely accepting that facts don't coincide with your assertions.
Big difference - Windows XP didn't delete your applications when Windows 10 came out. A user should be able to run their old software for as long as they want. They paid for it and it may be the only way to access their data. If you think you can throw money at any developer and they will magically upgrade the software you're misinformed.
So you can run Office 2003 with Windows 10?
No, both have been paid for a specific product. That product should be fit for purpose and of a reasonable standard. This is basic honesty in sales, and there are laws with similar effect in many places as well.
And what is that standard? iOS has been 32 bit for years. Developers were notified in advance for years. If you don't update to iOS11, you're fine with the old apps.
Any of these vendors are free to update their products to attract new business, but that doesn't mean they get to just abandon everyone whose money they already took if they supplied something substandard that stops working unreasonably quickly.
So you can use Office 2003 with Windows 8? No. And they're from the same company.
It's funny how Apple's model assumes that small developers will support their $5 apps indefinitely, but not that a huge business will provide essential security updates for their $500 devices and operating systems (without breaking anything else) for the same period.
And what do you mean by essential security updates? iOS support generally lasts years after the device is no longer sold. I can't say the same for Android where you have to figure out which phone, carrier, version, subversion, etc. to figure out if you can get an update 6 months after you bought it.
Also so do you expect ever single Windows application that worked on XP to work on 7. How about on 8, 8.1, or 10? Every single Windows version breaks some application applications but do you hold MS accountable for the same standard? What about Linux? While minor versions don't normally break older applications, major revisions can especially with kernel changes.
See that date? June 2016! How many normal people do know that the 4S was OK on June 12, 2016 but is as good as dead from June 13, 2016? I expect to be scorned for picking a wrong date. What slimy bullshit.
iPhone 4s: Released October 14, 2011. Originally OS: iOS 5.0. Max OS: 9.3.5. First discontinued: Sept 2014. So you're complaining that you assumed on June 12, 2016 that a phone that had already been announced as discontinued almost 2 years prior would get iOS10. Note that Apple never said it would support iOS 10. And your entire world was destroyed one day later when Apple officially said it would not.
iPhone 5S? they'll likely find some lame excuse to deprecate it.
You mean besides the lame excuse that the model almost 4 years old now and was discontinued Sept 2016?
What are end users supposed to do about it?
The same thing they have to do whenever applications don't work on Windows, Android, or whatever OS after an update: Either don't upgrade to the latest version and keep the application or update the OS and wait for the developer to release a new version. If the developer never releases a new version, sorry.
What they should do is go "hey user, there's an iOS upgrade but we won't upgrade your iOS until you remove these offending apps: x, y, z. Would you like us to do it for you? yes/no". Should be simple and completely under customer control. Apparently this is a very novel way of thinking.
Have you used software within the last 30 years? Every major update of Windows suffers from this problem. Some major updates of Linux suffer the same problem. Every OS has the chance of wrecking applications so they no longer work including MacOS and iOS. However in cases not involving iOS, there are almost never any warnings about application incompatibility. And the fact of the matter is that iOS users aren't "force updated" like you imply. Users can choose not to update or auto-update.
I never saw any of these warnings.
Then you haven't been paying attention.
It sucks that Apple make the late minute decision to just screw us and their users over like this.
By last minute do you mean since October 2014 when Apple said that after Feb 2015, all apps must support 64 bit. Also when Apple rejected 32 bit apps submitted after June 2015. And in Sept 2016 when Apple started removing apps that were not 64 bit. Now Apple never said for sure that iOS 11 would be 64 bit only but to say "it's a last minute decision" is disingenuous.
So Michael Flynn who had a security clearance talking to the Russian Ambassador then lying about it is political? Jeff Sessions meeting with the Russians then forgetting about the meeting is political? The Trump administration vehemently then denying Kushner or Trump Jr or any Trump family member having meetings with Russians (then forgetting that they had multiple meetings) is political?
Personally I thought this story was certainly going to get bigger the moment the Trump administration vehemently denied any meetings even after their people were caught having meetings: Flynn, Sessions, etc.
You are saying that an American citizen speaking with a Russian citizen must be evidence of nefarious collusion.
No if both the American and the Russian were merely private citizens. However if the American has high level security clearance (Flynn) is calling the Russian Ambassador's private line (Sergey Kislyak), you don't think it prudent to figure who both are?
Tar sands are about $43 per barrel to break-even [oilsandsmagazine.com], and they are in Canada which means they are not part of the Green River shale formation in the USA.
So you're agreeing with me that using the tar sands is more expensive than shale oil but it was done during high oil prices and the Green River was not. That destroys your argument doesn't it?
A lot of the reason we are not producing out of the Green River formation is because of what was mentioned above (cheaper for us to produce in other US regions), and political roadblocks [house.gov] to actually developing that resource.
You like to ignore facts, don't you? Crude oil prices peaked at $144 in May 2008. In fact prices has been steadily rising since 2002. May 2008 was 6 months before Obama was elected and George W Bush was still president. The Green River formation crosses into the Republican states of Wyoming and Utah. Yet your reason why it was not developed was Obama who was not elected yet stood in the way. Or is it that your $30/barrel cost was wrong?
Another big difference is that these Ryzen 3s allow for overclocking but the comparative Intel Core i3s do not. More expensive Core i3 models will allow it.
Those are apps not web apps. Do you understand the difference?
In this case two of the three "features" of progressive web apps are what most people do not want. How is it innovative to offer them if people don't want them?