First, I didnt claim to have all the answers nor will I ever, however I do know that the army uses outlook to its potential and I know for a fact that thunderbird would not suite the needs of the army. Just because most of these tbird users dont like outlook and hate anything microsoft on principle of it being anti-OSS, doesnt mean that they are right in any aspect.
Your comment about disabling email in outlook shows your total lack of knowledge about how a business is run. No business in their right mind would spend money on something, then disable its primary function to use a third party product which is best suited for a niche of users at best. I use thunderbird, however, I dont try to pretend its something its not (as is the case with most of the firefox/tbird fanatics).
You claim that its microsoft's problem that t-bird doesnt interface with exchange. Can you explain then, why several other email clients CAN interface with it? Can you explain why the API's exist to allow other clients to interface with it and have been in use for several years?
Thunderbird is a better solution here? I dont think so. People bad mouth outlook/exchange all the time, especially on/., however, in the case of most large enterprises (DoD especially), t-bird simply doesnt fit the bill. Outlook/Exchange offer so many more features and functions that most larger businesses and corporations use that t-bird doesnt even begin to fit into the same realm.
Do you honestly think the DoD is going to move from a platform which supports every feature they currently utilize (I know, I am in the US Army) to one which doesnt have support for basic things like calendaring, public folders, centralized rules administration, and various other features that simply arent available in this "better solution"? Thunderbird is not ready for the enterprise, nor will it be anytime soon without support for exchange/domino connectivity.
I am all for using open source, but when it doesnt fit the bill, I am not afraid to say that it wont do the job. Thunderbird is good for home use, but for corporate use (especially in a large entity like the DoD), its just sub-standard and lacking in the necessary areas. The fact of the matter is that you cant even access an exchange server with T-Bird.
I was just thinking the same thing. Any company who makes its decisions based off of articles on the web, SLASHDOT of all places, is a company I refuse to do business with. I am sorry, but unless you actually test out various products and not rely on what a company is doing in articles you read, then how can I expect you to do any better with your own products and services?
Amen! Ad muncher has a DEFAULT SERVER LIST that works far better than any of the lists that you have to hunt for in ad block, or the ones you have to hunt for in proxomitron (which is no longer supported). Ad muncher misses maybe 1-2 ads every month or two, and those are easily reported via the programs interface and built in irc channel connection. Very great program worth the 24.95 you pay for lifetime updates (AND IT WORKS FOR ANY BROWSER, NOT JUST FIREFOX). It makes opera ALMOST complete (although opera still lacks some stuff I need).
Hmmm, seems to me that most GUI shells for linux require the user to have a pretty hefty system to run them as well, so of course, this should be nothing new. Enlightenment, Gnome, and KDE all require a decently fast cpu in order to run SMOOTHLY. But of course, the linux junkies fail to mention this fact, god forbid something be WRONG with a linux geek's beloved OS.
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Fully customizable? Didn't you say that if you wanted a browser with addons you would choose firefox? Does opera support addons?
First, I didnt claim to have all the answers nor will I ever, however I do know that the army uses outlook to its potential and I know for a fact that thunderbird would not suite the needs of the army. Just because most of these tbird users dont like outlook and hate anything microsoft on principle of it being anti-OSS, doesnt mean that they are right in any aspect. Your comment about disabling email in outlook shows your total lack of knowledge about how a business is run. No business in their right mind would spend money on something, then disable its primary function to use a third party product which is best suited for a niche of users at best. I use thunderbird, however, I dont try to pretend its something its not (as is the case with most of the firefox/tbird fanatics). You claim that its microsoft's problem that t-bird doesnt interface with exchange. Can you explain then, why several other email clients CAN interface with it? Can you explain why the API's exist to allow other clients to interface with it and have been in use for several years?
Thunderbird is a better solution here? I dont think so. People bad mouth outlook/exchange all the time, especially on /., however, in the case of most large enterprises (DoD especially), t-bird simply doesnt fit the bill. Outlook/Exchange offer so many more features and functions that most larger businesses and corporations use that t-bird doesnt even begin to fit into the same realm.
Do you honestly think the DoD is going to move from a platform which supports every feature they currently utilize (I know, I am in the US Army) to one which doesnt have support for basic things like calendaring, public folders, centralized rules administration, and various other features that simply arent available in this "better solution"? Thunderbird is not ready for the enterprise, nor will it be anytime soon without support for exchange/domino connectivity.
I am all for using open source, but when it doesnt fit the bill, I am not afraid to say that it wont do the job. Thunderbird is good for home use, but for corporate use (especially in a large entity like the DoD), its just sub-standard and lacking in the necessary areas. The fact of the matter is that you cant even access an exchange server with T-Bird.
You can find out more about this here -> http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?t opic=4147.msg29299#msg29299
This is the person this article is about.
Very good guy, too bad this topic was SYMANTEC ANTIVIRUS CORPORATE EDITION, not the norton line of products. RTFA next time ;-)
5 here. I've been running corp since the 8.x days, and i've never had a virus or threat get through.
I was just thinking the same thing. Any company who makes its decisions based off of articles on the web, SLASHDOT of all places, is a company I refuse to do business with. I am sorry, but unless you actually test out various products and not rely on what a company is doing in articles you read, then how can I expect you to do any better with your own products and services?
But dont these different versions of linux/unix use the same subset of applications? I.E. tar, ftp, gzip, etc?
Amen! Ad muncher has a DEFAULT SERVER LIST that works far better than any of the lists that you have to hunt for in ad block, or the ones you have to hunt for in proxomitron (which is no longer supported). Ad muncher misses maybe 1-2 ads every month or two, and those are easily reported via the programs interface and built in irc channel connection. Very great program worth the 24.95 you pay for lifetime updates (AND IT WORKS FOR ANY BROWSER, NOT JUST FIREFOX). It makes opera ALMOST complete (although opera still lacks some stuff I need).
Ummm, they require 256MB OF RAM, NOT VIDEO RAM. Please re-read the article and not jump to conclusions
Hmmm, seems to me that most GUI shells for linux require the user to have a pretty hefty system to run them as well, so of course, this should be nothing new. Enlightenment, Gnome, and KDE all require a decently fast cpu in order to run SMOOTHLY. But of course, the linux junkies fail to mention this fact, god forbid something be WRONG with a linux geek's beloved OS.