Please provide an attribution. Read the parent post. Attributions are there. If you're too lazy, see www.bushneverwonflorida.com
Further, I seem to remember Gore conceding the point and the election. I wonder why? As I said before, when you're fighting a corrupt court, you can't win. He stopped while he was relatively "ahead".. as in, so he couldn't be labeled a sore loser.
Glock27, you seem to have ignored the entire conversation up to the point where you made your post. I'm trying to say this without insulting you. Please open your eyes. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
You are entitled to your (wrong) opinion. Unless you care to refute part of the argument?
And, what hope could the democrats possibly have against a cheater who successfully stole the election without having control of the white house, who now also has the white house?
Obviously there's nothing to stop bush from cheating again.
On top of the fact that he is likely to steal '04, he stole '00 and should be impeached. I suggest you adjust your blinders and get with the facts: you are being lied to, and Bush is illegitimate.
Do you think that dismissing the worst election fraud in the nation's history without any consideration makes it OK that Bush broke the law and disenfranchised voters? Is it also OK that he is appointing convicted criminals to high ranking positions, including ambassadorships? Is it OK that he is using his power to tear up the constition and pursue a cryptic agenda that is not in the national interest, only that of his buddies and his ultra-conservative cheerleaders while threatening all dissenters with the label "terrorist sympathiser"?
We beat the soviets. Too bad the Nazis have overthrown our government by coopting the conservative party.
which always include a guy who was only involved as a lukewarm-appeal campaigner (Bush the elder). So you say. If you're right, I ask again, why does bush squelch the investigation? Has the cocaine destroyed his ability to reason or is he just guilty as sin?
The real history, what happened, remains: the guy who won the election is in the White House now. Geez, you can't face reality can you? Gore won the election. Bush and co cheated the judicial process and the red flags are STILL uninvestigated because bush squelched the investigation. Bush is in the white house but he is not legitimate.
How many times do you have to lose this argument? What do you have to gain by making discredited over and over and over? Do you think I'm just going to go, "Oh, who cares if the man in the oval office broke the law to get there and covered it up"? Do you think it's "ok" for people to usurp the mechanisms that have held this country together and made it great just so they can have their way, legal or not?
Dude, you're wrong. You don't have a leg to stand on. Next you'll be saying that Bush needs to be in the whitehouse whether he was elected or not because America has "lost its way". Get over it.
Gore won. Bush is illegitimate. What is your major malfunction?
Ah yes, the wild conspiracy theories reduced to name calling eh? If I'm wrong, why do I have facts galore, while you have only sentiment and cannot rebut me without attacking me personally? Son?
These wild-eyed denials that amount to "my guy lost, so the winner is not the real president" unfortunately echo the kooks on the other fringe who denied Clinton was legitimate for other equally silly reasons (Chinese campaign money and making Perot "spoil" the election). Of course the difference between my argument and theirs being that Bush broke the law and squelched the investigation, while Perot's participation was legal. As for chinese campaign money, lets see your sources, cowboy. Was there an investigation? was there a need for one or was that itself just republican "sour grapes"? And EVEN IF Clinton DID recieve money, Illegaly from the chinese, does that mean we should wholesale throw away our entire legal and electoral process? Hey, I get pissed off sometimes, are you suggesting I just go vigilante whenever I feel like it? Sorry bub, that's not how it works in law abiding countries, and especially not democracies. Or are you suggesting that we sink to the level of the terrorists? Sorry, it (again) does not work that way. Now, write an incoherent conservative manifesto about how democrats are scum, and don't deserve the freedoms good christian republicans died for, and threaten me. It will surely prove your point.
Your need to boil the whole argument down to "Aww, those democrats are just sore losers" smacks of... being a sore loser! imagine that.
You don't need to pretend anything to see that Gore won. Period. It was Bush who benefitted from made up ballots and odd "intent" waverings, not to mention *thousands* of illegally stricken ballots belonging to black voters with names similar to long-dead criminals.
Whatever you've been smoking, stop. Drugs are bad, mkay? Gore won. Bush is illegitimate. There needs to be an investigation into what happened, and that investigation has been thwarted by the Bush white house.
Why do I feel like a broken record?
The facts bear out Gore's victory under all conceivable standards for the florida electoral votes. Reality check: politicians never play fair. That's why there's supposed to be excessive scrutiny on the electoral process. Having a dad who ran the CIA and was also President less than a decade ago has allowed Bush to cheat the system and steal the presidency. The whole affair reeks of illegitimacy. And if he didn't steal it, why is he thwarting the investigation?
*earth* to bush apologists: you have been hoodwinked. This will not stand. Good Americans are always ready to defend their nation, and the truth will not be hidden forever, no matter whose daddy wants it to.
Would it be the "Gore won florida's electoral votes and therefore bush is not the legitimate president" game?
Maybe you prefer the "I like the guy who stole the election better than the guy who actually earned it, so who cares what the law says" game... I personally detest it.
Actually, it's not a game. Our nation's highest elected office was illegally denied to it's legitimate officer and there's a trail of collusion and conflicts of interest a mile long that has been swept under the rug by the pretender, and his daddy.
God bless democracy indeed! If we are keen to uphold democracy, and worthy enough of it to demonstrate some of that "eternal vigilance" I've heard so much about, we might just keep our democracy.
The other alternative, the one Bush jr is hoping we will choose, is to roll over to reach those fritos and pretend that there's nothing eyebrow raising at all about massive collusion and shady dealing over the future of our nation. Sorry, not acceptable.
Gore got the most votes in florida and there is a scandal covering it up. See exhibit A.
>> The only vote total that matters is electoral votes, and Gore came up short since he did not win enough states to get the right amount. It has always been that way. If you want to change it, fine, but ignorance of this basic Constitutional process is no excuse. Other totals do not matter, never have. Total raw #, total counties won, total states won, total big cities won, it is all the same: only one count matters, and these are not it. Gore didn't win on electoral votes because his daddy rigged the florida election and also rigged the court case concerning said election. If the rule of law had been respected, Gore would be president right now. Unfortunately, Daddy Bush did not feel the need to respect the law. There's no need to change it, and there's no ignorance involved. Your logic depends on the assertion that Bush won Florida's electoral votes, which he did not. Sorry, but he didn't. The totals of counties and big/little states don't come into this at all. Try to stay on topic.:)
You can't bring forth any evidence since there is none. If there had been any evidence at all of this, the Gore campaign would have (rightly) made issue. But there wasn't. 2 things wrong with that: The Gore campaign stopped with the because, as was *already stated*, he would have only made his party look bad. When you're fighting a corrupt court, you stop while you're ahead, because you can't win. As far as there not being any evidence, If there's no evidence then I guess Bush jr precluded any investigation into the election issue "just for fun", since he didn't do anything wrong, is that so? Or maybe he just wanted to throw his weight around? Face it, Bush is illegitimate and he is only in the white house because his daddy used to run the CIA.
That particular recount is worse than rolling the dice: it is an invalid total because it includes imaginary votes divined from "voter intent" instead of actual ballot usage. yeah, especially for Bush, because he *didn't*get*more*votes*than*Gore*.
That would be a valid comparison, except that Bush got more actual votes in Florida. Which would be a valid rebuttal, except that it is not true.:)
You'll eventually have to face up to the facts that 1) Gore won the florida election fair and square, and also won the recount as designated by the judge assigned the case, but was denied the electoral votes ILLEGALLY by a premature and predetermined, rigged judgement handed down by a judge whose impartiallity is nonexistant and who is caught in a conflict of interest. 2) the election fraud was Compounded by the prevention of an investigation, the completion of which is the only way to legitimately clear the issue, and the active thwarting of which requires even more scrutiny on the issue.
Bush cheated, he's not legitimately the president. If this happened in Argentina the newspapers would be calling it a coup. The fact that the mainstream media here in the US dropped the topic without exploring it, and that the investigation was prevented, leads any competent person to wonder, "why"? I ask you, Why did bush stomp the investigation if there is no wrongdoing on his part ? Did he do it just for giggles? Maybe all that coke he does was messing with his head? or maybe, just maybe, theres something dirty going on.. and to think, we were all so sure that our politicians are above fighting dirty.... tisk tisk tisk.
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Please provide an attribution.
Read the parent post. Attributions are there.
If you're too lazy, see www.bushneverwonflorida.com
Further, I seem to remember Gore conceding the point and the election. I wonder why?
As I said before, when you're fighting a corrupt court, you can't win. He stopped while he was relatively "ahead".. as in, so he couldn't be labeled a sore loser.
Glock27, you seem to have ignored the entire conversation up to the point where you made your post. I'm trying to say this without insulting you. Please open your eyes. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
You are entitled to your (wrong) opinion. Unless you care to refute part of the argument?
And, what hope could the democrats possibly have against a cheater who successfully stole the election without having control of the white house, who now also has the white house?
Obviously there's nothing to stop bush from cheating again.
On top of the fact that he is likely to steal '04, he stole '00 and should be impeached. I suggest you adjust your blinders and get with the facts: you are being lied to, and Bush is illegitimate.
Do you think that dismissing the worst election fraud in the nation's history without any consideration makes it OK that Bush broke the law and disenfranchised voters? Is it also OK that he is appointing convicted criminals to high ranking positions, including ambassadorships? Is it OK that he is using his power to tear up the constition and pursue a cryptic agenda that is not in the national interest, only that of his buddies and his ultra-conservative cheerleaders while threatening all dissenters with the label "terrorist sympathiser"?
We beat the soviets. Too bad the Nazis have overthrown our government by coopting the conservative party.
I almost missed a paragraph :)
which always include a guy who was only involved as a lukewarm-appeal campaigner (Bush the elder).
So you say. If you're right, I ask again, why does bush squelch the investigation? Has the cocaine destroyed his ability to reason or is he just guilty as sin?
The real history, what happened, remains: the guy who won the election is in the White House now.
Geez, you can't face reality can you? Gore won the election. Bush and co cheated the judicial process and the red flags are STILL uninvestigated because bush squelched the investigation. Bush is in the white house but he is not legitimate.
How many times do you have to lose this argument? What do you have to gain by making discredited over and over and over? Do you think I'm just going to go, "Oh, who cares if the man in the oval office broke the law to get there and covered it up"? Do you think it's "ok" for people to usurp the mechanisms that have held this country together and made it great just so they can have their way, legal or not?
Dude, you're wrong. You don't have a leg to stand on. Next you'll be saying that Bush needs to be in the whitehouse whether he was elected or not because America has "lost its way". Get over it.
Gore won. Bush is illegitimate. What is your major malfunction?
Ah yes, the wild conspiracy theories
reduced to name calling eh? If I'm wrong, why do I have facts galore, while you have only sentiment and cannot rebut me without attacking me personally? Son?
These wild-eyed denials that amount to "my guy lost, so the winner is not the real president" unfortunately echo the kooks on the other fringe who denied Clinton was legitimate for other equally silly reasons (Chinese campaign money and making Perot "spoil" the election).
Of course the difference between my argument and theirs being that Bush broke the law and squelched the investigation, while Perot's participation was legal. As for chinese campaign money, lets see your sources, cowboy. Was there an investigation? was there a need for one or was that itself just republican "sour grapes"? And EVEN IF Clinton DID recieve money, Illegaly from the chinese, does that mean we should wholesale throw away our entire legal and electoral process? Hey, I get pissed off sometimes, are you suggesting I just go vigilante whenever I feel like it? Sorry bub, that's not how it works in law abiding countries, and especially not democracies. Or are you suggesting that we sink to the level of the terrorists? Sorry, it (again) does not work that way. Now, write an incoherent conservative manifesto about how democrats are scum, and don't deserve the freedoms good christian republicans died for, and threaten me. It will surely prove your point.
Your need to boil the whole argument down to "Aww, those democrats are just sore losers" smacks of... being a sore loser! imagine that.
You don't need to pretend anything to see that Gore won. Period. It was Bush who benefitted from made up ballots and odd "intent" waverings, not to mention *thousands* of illegally stricken ballots belonging to black voters with names similar to long-dead criminals.
Whatever you've been smoking, stop. Drugs are bad, mkay? Gore won. Bush is illegitimate. There needs to be an investigation into what happened, and that investigation has been thwarted by the Bush white house.
Why do I feel like a broken record?
The facts bear out Gore's victory under all conceivable standards for the florida electoral votes. Reality check: politicians never play fair. That's why there's supposed to be excessive scrutiny on the electoral process. Having a dad who ran the CIA and was also President less than a decade ago has allowed Bush to cheat the system and steal the presidency. The whole affair reeks of illegitimacy. And if he didn't steal it, why is he thwarting the investigation?
*earth* to bush apologists: you have been hoodwinked. This will not stand. Good Americans are always ready to defend their nation, and the truth will not be hidden forever, no matter whose daddy wants it to.
comprende?
What game would that be?
Would it be the "Gore won florida's electoral votes and therefore bush is not the legitimate president" game?
Maybe you prefer the "I like the guy who stole the election better than the guy who actually earned it, so who cares what the law says" game... I personally detest it.
Actually, it's not a game. Our nation's highest elected office was illegally denied to it's legitimate officer and there's a trail of collusion and conflicts of interest a mile long that has been swept under the rug by the pretender, and his daddy.
God bless democracy indeed! If we are keen to uphold democracy, and worthy enough of it to demonstrate some of that "eternal vigilance" I've heard so much about, we might just keep our democracy.
The other alternative, the one Bush jr is hoping we will choose, is to roll over to reach those fritos and pretend that there's nothing eyebrow raising at all about massive collusion and shady dealing over the future of our nation. Sorry, not acceptable.
Gore got the most votes in florida and there is a scandal covering it up. See exhibit A.
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>> The only vote total that matters is electoral votes, and Gore came up short since he did not win enough states to get the right amount. It has always been that way. If you want to change it, fine, but ignorance of this basic Constitutional process is no excuse. Other totals do not matter, never have. Total raw #, total counties won, total states won, total big cities won, it is all the same: only one count matters, and these are not it.
Gore didn't win on electoral votes because his daddy rigged the florida election and also rigged the court case concerning said election. If the rule of law had been respected, Gore would be president right now. Unfortunately, Daddy Bush did not feel the need to respect the law. There's no need to change it, and there's no ignorance involved. Your logic depends on the assertion that Bush won Florida's electoral votes, which he did not. Sorry, but he didn't. The totals of counties and big/little states don't come into this at all. Try to stay on topic.
You can't bring forth any evidence since there is none. If there had been any evidence at all of this, the Gore campaign would have (rightly) made issue. But there wasn't. 2 things wrong with that: The Gore campaign stopped with the because, as was *already stated*, he would have only made his party look bad. When you're fighting a corrupt court, you stop while you're ahead, because you can't win. As far as there not being any evidence, If there's no evidence then I guess Bush jr precluded any investigation into the election issue "just for fun", since he didn't do anything wrong, is that so? Or maybe he just wanted to throw his weight around? Face it, Bush is illegitimate and he is only in the white house because his daddy used to run the CIA.
That particular recount is worse than rolling the dice: it is an invalid total because it includes imaginary votes divined from "voter intent" instead of actual ballot usage.
yeah, especially for Bush, because he *didn't*get*more*votes*than*Gore*.
That would be a valid comparison, except that Bush got more actual votes in Florida.
Which would be a valid rebuttal, except that it is not true.
You'll eventually have to face up to the facts that 1) Gore won the florida election fair and square, and also won the recount as designated by the judge assigned the case, but was denied the electoral votes ILLEGALLY by a premature and predetermined, rigged judgement handed down by a judge whose impartiallity is nonexistant and who is caught in a conflict of interest. 2) the election fraud was Compounded by the prevention of an investigation, the completion of which is the only way to legitimately clear the issue, and the active thwarting of which requires even more scrutiny on the issue.
Bush cheated, he's not legitimately the president. If this happened in Argentina the newspapers would be calling it a coup. The fact that the mainstream media here in the US dropped the topic without exploring it, and that the investigation was prevented, leads any competent person to wonder, "why"? I ask you, Why did bush stomp the investigation if there is no wrongdoing on his part ? Did he do it just for giggles? Maybe all that coke he does was messing with his head? or maybe, just maybe, theres something dirty going on.. and to think, we were all so sure that our politicians are above fighting dirty.... tisk tisk tisk.