I dunno. I have two Linux boxes that have yet to crash. Both are serving the internet and are running on relatively lowly hardware. Yet, I am not a Linux guru. I installed from RH 6 CD, upgraded a few RPMs and have yet to have a problem. Even Saint is telling me my machines are in good shape. Prior to RH 6, one of the machines was running RH 5.2. Again..no problems.
When compared against our company's NT 4 box running MS Exchange, I'll take Linux anyday.
FWIW, I think bcc is a Borland trademark. If it isn't, I'd bet Borland will assign a different name to the compiler. What they showed at the conference was proof that their compiler works under Linux...not what the untimate marketed package will be called.
gut tells me that Borland doesn't want to piss of the Linux folks, but rather complement what they already use and give them better tools when possible.
That wasn't demonstrated. In fact, showing bcc was just a teaser to whet our appetites for anything Linux. But, both executables ran identically.
As for the "Primetime" (JBuilder in pure Java). There were quite a few discussions and demonstrations. The one thing they did demonstrate was running the same Primetime for Solaris under Linux. What's holding back Primetime for Linux is that the Blackdown JDK still has too many bugs (heck's that's why it's prerelease).
I asked about whether Borland was contributing to the Blackdown project and was assured that they were. Also, Borland demonstrated their Java JIT compiler. This made Primetime perform like a native binary rather than an VM'd app.
Borland is also said convincingly that they will not develop their own VM. Instead, they said they will develop for the one in most common usaga on the Linux platform - Blackdown.
Among the other things demonstrated were:
DataStore - An object oriented persistent model for Java.
Delphi CORBA going against a Linux based CORBA server. They also demonstrated a preliminary IDL compiler that worked with Delphi code.
The commitment from Borland appears to be there. It won't be long before their tools will be among those of choice -- especially in a corporate setting.
Hate to disappoint you, but Delphi's VCL is not reasonably removed from the Win32 API. Hence, porting it will be a bear. What is nice is that to the developer, the VCL provides a clean interface to building Windows-style applications.
Delphi application developers , as users of the VCL, don't have to care about Win32 API.
Delphi component writers, however, have to get down and dirty with Win32 on occassion to get their components to really scream.
Porting the VCL to Linux will be tough. In the end, I think we will all be suprised at what Borland will accomplish.
Exactly. I am amazed at the number of people who continually complain about "proprietary/commercial" RAD tools coming to Linux. Face it. Not everyone likes to have to use ten different tools just to compile their app. Some of us prefer to have one stop shopping and simply getting the job done.
Now, there's a lot of people that like command line tools. A friend of mine will tell you that the best HTML editor is vi. He's highly proficient with it and an IDE would probably hinder him. Me, on the hand, like having all of my tools in one place. I don't mind using a mouse. I like syntax highlighting and checking as well as having all or my files in one neat little place (i.e. a project file) where I can get to them with just a click.
The thought of having a RAD tool like Delphi on Linux would go a long way to bringing legitimacy to Linux in the corporate world. On the Windows platform, Delphi gives the ability to develop powerful database applications with minimal effort. If you want to put some effort into your work, then you can do some really wild stuff.
For the corporate developer; Oracle support is outstanding for Delphi. Delphi for Linux plus Oracle for Linux??? What a cool concept.
Shame they had felt they had to follow Microsoft's lead and charge outragous fees for their tools. Philipe Kahn nearly drove the company into a hole with extravagant spending. His successors weren't much better and getting things backon track. Let's hope those days are over.
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I dunno. I have two Linux boxes that have yet to crash. Both are serving the internet and are running on relatively lowly hardware. Yet, I am not a Linux guru. I installed from RH 6 CD, upgraded a few RPMs and have yet to have a problem. Even Saint is telling me my machines are in good shape. Prior to RH 6, one of the machines was running RH 5.2. Again..no problems.
When compared against our company's NT 4 box running MS Exchange, I'll take Linux anyday.
FWIW, I think bcc is a Borland trademark. If it isn't, I'd bet Borland will assign a different name to the compiler. What they showed at the conference was proof that their compiler works under Linux...not what the untimate marketed package will be called.
gut tells me that Borland doesn't want to piss of the Linux folks, but rather complement what they already use and give them better tools when possible.
That wasn't demonstrated. In fact, showing bcc was just a teaser to whet our appetites for anything Linux. But, both executables ran identically.
As for the "Primetime" (JBuilder in pure Java). There were quite a few discussions and demonstrations. The one thing they did demonstrate was running the same Primetime for Solaris under Linux. What's holding back Primetime for Linux is that the Blackdown JDK still has too many bugs (heck's that's why it's prerelease).
I asked about whether Borland was contributing to the Blackdown project and was assured that they were. Also, Borland demonstrated their Java JIT compiler. This made Primetime perform like a native binary rather than an VM'd app.
Borland is also said convincingly that they will not develop their own VM. Instead, they said they will develop for the one in most common usaga on the Linux platform - Blackdown.
Among the other things demonstrated were:
DataStore - An object oriented persistent model for Java.
Delphi CORBA going against a Linux based CORBA server. They also demonstrated a preliminary IDL compiler that worked with Delphi code.
The commitment from Borland appears to be there. It won't be long before their tools will be among those of choice -- especially in a corporate setting.
Hate to disappoint you, but Delphi's VCL is not reasonably removed from the Win32 API. Hence, porting it will be a bear. What is nice is that to the developer, the VCL provides a clean interface to building Windows-style applications.
Delphi application developers , as users of the VCL, don't have to care about Win32 API.
Delphi component writers, however, have to get down and dirty with Win32 on occassion to get their components to really scream.
Porting the VCL to Linux will be tough. In the end, I think we will all be suprised at what Borland will accomplish.
Exactly. I am amazed at the number of people who continually complain about "proprietary/commercial" RAD tools coming to Linux. Face it. Not everyone likes to have to use ten different tools just to compile their app. Some of us prefer to have one stop shopping and simply getting the job done.
Now, there's a lot of people that like command line tools. A friend of mine will tell you that the best HTML editor is vi. He's highly proficient with it and an IDE would probably hinder him. Me, on the hand, like having all of my tools in one place. I don't mind using a mouse. I like syntax highlighting and checking as well as having all or my files in one neat little place (i.e. a project file) where I can get to them with just a click.
The thought of having a RAD tool like Delphi on Linux would go a long way to bringing legitimacy to Linux in the corporate world. On the Windows platform, Delphi gives the ability to develop powerful database applications with minimal effort. If you want to put some effort into your work, then you can do some really wild stuff.
For the corporate developer; Oracle support is outstanding for Delphi. Delphi for Linux plus Oracle for Linux??? What a cool concept.
Charles
It was Turbo Pascal and it cost $49.95...not $99.
Shame they had felt they had to follow Microsoft's lead and charge outragous fees for their tools. Philipe Kahn nearly drove the company into a hole with extravagant spending. His successors weren't much better and getting things backon track. Let's hope those days are over.