I don't think he was joking. You may think so at your peril.
The last time cuts of this nature were proposed the idea was to entirely stand down the US Marine Corps. (Still beating that drum today). Because we were never going to have to invade any country again. Then Saddam over ran Kuwait, and was looking hungrily at Saudi Arabia. Guess who arrived first ?
The last time we had such a recommendation it was to totally get rid of the Marine Corps. The next hear Gulf 1 started, and Kuwait was over run, and those same "useless" Marines once again arrived the firstest with the mostest.
I think you'll find that 40 mile range is inadequate even if you only THINK you commute 5 miles. (5 miles is bike commuting range).
You get groceries, visit people, go out to dinner, see the dentist etc. You probably visit the bigger next town for shopping. You'd end up having to have another car just to do those things.
The claimed range is 100 miles. Go read reviews by actual owners. See if you believe that 100 miles. Then see if you'd believe 40 if they told you that was the range.
Clearly the car has a battery sized for what Nissan believe is within the daily commute of a high percentage of its target market. (They could have made it larger or smaller).
But sales numbers indicate that the Price is definitely too high. MSRP Range: $28,980 - $35,020 Used Range $16,500 - $22,000
The only real rule for ensuring you'll do better in the future is to AVOID BIG DEBTS. Nowhere in the popular media will you ever see that truth.
Because you are posting as AC, it seem likely that if I took 17 seconds to google avoiding debt and pasted a couple hundred links to prove you wrong you would declare them not part of "popular" media. So lets not play that game.
Here's the challenge: You define popular media. Then we can talk.
And while I'm in support of this, it's pathetic that we need classes to teach people such things; it shows how unintelligent most people are, and demonstrates further that schools are based on rote memorization.
I suppose you sprung from the womb, with a credit card, checkbook, investments all in hand, taxes paid up, retirement account established and ready to go?
Seriously, where do you suppose people learn stuff? Not everyone's parents are able to teach this kind of stuff, some scarcely know it themselves. What do you think education is for? If not teaching this, then what SHOULD they teach?
Its not like it is all expected to be taught to seniors in High school. It can be spread over many years. Just like everything else taught in public schools.
In sixth grade we had an investment chapter in one of my classes. We learned to to research stocks and bonds. We made investments (monopoly money). We tracked them every week through the newspaper. YES Newspaper. This was 1962 There was no internet. My parents never had enough to invest. They had no clue. I knew what a PE ratio was before I was out of grade school. (Didn't fully understand it, but knew where it came from and how to use it).
I just wish my mom had access to the water your mom drank. Maybe I would have sprung fully fledged into the delivery room, ready to go job hunting the next day.
I think there is market for the leaf if they quadrupled the range with no more than 5k added to the price, and did nothing else. There are a lot of people who like little cars for running around town.
he Leaf competes with the Tesla in the sense that if it had better range (say 150% more at the cost of maybe $10k more), I'm sure there'd be much more folks considering it.
Agreed. The leaf is just too range challenged. (Claims 100miles, owners say half of that) Add to that, the leaf has little in the way of creature comforts or high tech gadgetry. Its safety rating is Good, (code word for mediocre) Its a pretty bare bones car, sold at a loss. Its performance is abysmal
That much is fairly obvious just looking at the specs. I suspect Nissan is busy trying to figure out which of those features is important to the Tesla owner, but I rather suspect the answer will be All of the above.
In my experience if you want something that google classified as spam to not be considered spam, just mark it as not spam, and future emailing seem to follow it into your inbox. They seem to have some form of an exception system for each user.
Worst case, you add the sender to your contacts, (although I only do that as a last resort).
It doesn't seem affect anyone else's rating or the community rating. (I sometimes get the same (spammy looking, but not actually spam) emails in more than one of my Google accounts. In one I clicked not spam, in the other I left it laying in the spam folder. Sure enough I get all their newsletters in the account I clicked Not Spam. The other doesn't see it.
(By the way, this kind of filtering is also available with Spamassassin, where one mans spam is another mans treasures. I can't imagine google did any less of a job than Spamassassin).
As for which kind of things pass you along from one to the next, I've found this with mail order places. I've ordered the odd part off the internet, get on their mailing list, un-subscribe, and get mail from similar providers shortly there after, having never heard from them before.
I use plus-addressing for many of these one-off purchases: See: https://support.google.com/mai... and that way I know when these addresses are being shopped around. The idiots sell address forward, plus-address and all. (Yeah, I know these places have dodgy reputations, and I shouldn't shop there, but once in a while they also have cool things).
Is this actually a proposal to provide a general solution to the halting problem for a potentially unpredictable(if parts of it are hidden by the bugged component) program running on logic that may deviate from expected behavior under unknown conditions, or is there some trick that makes it less hopeless?
Well when you read the article its just comes down to a glorified Certificate of Authenticity:
DARPA said it eversions this dielet will be inserted into the electronic component's package at the manufacturing site or affixed to existing trusted components, without any alteration of the host component's design or reliability. There is no electrical connection between the dielet and the host component.
So yeah, the first thing that will be counterfeited will be these dielets.
But even baring that, since it has no connection to the actual electronics and firmware, simply seeing it on the package means nothing if the part you are using was compromised before it came out of manufacture, or passed through hands with the capability to compromise it before it hit your loading dock.
I suppose this solves the problem of those clone factories that manage to completely clone a functioning board or component to the point that it actually operates (at some level) and inserts these into the supply chain as a money grab. It probably doesn't save you from espionage on a grander level such as state sponsored.
Did you even fucking read what I wrote? We have plenty of desert. Look at a map. Are you totally ignorant of the solar arrays being built all over the western states, and all over the world, that are in production today? Do you realize it takes less than 2 years to put huge solar plants into production?
We have no technology to do what you are such and ardent fanboy of doing. Its at least 100-200 years away. With a world wide emergency crash program, all nations, all in, we couldn't even get the factory equipment to the moon in 50 years. In a 10th of that time the improvements in solar efficiency quickly make your moon based manufacturing facility obsolete.
Economics trumps science every time. If you can't afford it, it doesn't matter how cool it would be.
Actually, no. Simply not true. If you mark something as NOT spam in Google, its not spam for you and and you will get it even if others consider it spam.
Besides, I don't mark legit emails as spam. Neither does anyone else. Its largely a fictitious problem. Simply because spam includes an un-subscribe link doesn't make it not spam.
I realize that earth based collection even an attenuated flood of energy from the sun is VASTLY cheaper than building collection in space and hoping (without any real demonstrated capability) to then somehow avoid that same attenuation when transmitting it to earth.
There is no shortage of land on the earth for such collection systems. Look at a map someday.
You are going to need that land either for gathering the microwaves, or for gathering the suns rays. You can't avoid the earth based collection array. So why not not skip all that nonsense in space with technology we don't have, can't afford, and instead build out solar and transmission lines on earth, with slowly increasing efficiency as the technology improves.
Flinging insults around does not help your case, and doesn't make your favored proposal any more cost effective and does not hasten feasibility.
Buy the time you build your FIRST demonstration panel on the moon, we could cover vast stretches of the Sahara, the Gobi and the Sonoran deserts with less efficient but vastly cheaper and easier to maintain arrays.
It doesn't matter that its less efficient do do it on earth. It only matters that it is cheaper. Efficiency, divorced from cost, means nothing.
People are demonstrably TERRIBLE at remembering passwords. I know people who have to look up passwords for things they use daily.
Then don't have a password at all.
Have another device, say a cheap small write-once USB flash drive stick with a PGP Private key on it sold with every device. You keep this at home under your mattress, or in your safe, or at your mom's house. Its only used to wipe or nuke the phone.
We can argue how that private key gets there as a separate issue. Do you put it there, or does the carrier, or the manufacturer?
Given that the manufacturer (and perhaps the government) can and probably will have a backdoor anyway, it probably doesn't make too much sense to burden the average user with creating a private key
But if desired, that could be done by plugging the device into the phone and invoking a one time procedure to generate the keys and write them into write-once memory on the phone and the USB stick.
Beaming the power back is not dangerous - you design the system to collect over a large area so that any one point in the beam is of very low intensity.
Plus the amount of power this system would beam to earth is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the amount that is beamed to the earth every day by the sun,
Keep talking. You are making terrestrial solar power sound better and better all the time, and this silly scheme totally pointless.
Do I actually use Gmail? About 5 accounts. For over 10 years.
Do I get spam in my inbox? A few. But only once from each source, because I mark them as spam, and then never hear from them again.
If I unsubscribe from one spammer, do I hear from similar (but different) spammers? Absolutely. More often, they go direct to my spam box, because.....(wait for it....)
THAT'S HOW WELL MARKING THEM SPAM WORKS.
In short, its not broken, and doesn't need fixing.
But then you have a ton of arrays in solar orbit that you have to monitor and require fuel for station keeping.
Sucking in all that sunlight, don't you suppose that a small amount of it could be used for station keeping? Ion Thrusters are already in use for this purpose on several satellites. You save the chemical rocket motors for bring them to maintenance orbits or deorbit them.
I wasn't suggesting solar orbits, I was suggesting earth orbit, or Lagrangian point. Of course, the risk of beaming that much microwave power to earth is probably not worth the effort. Just adds to global warming.
Besides, (peeks at map of the world), it's not like we have a shortage of places to put huge solar arrays.
They would collect twice the energy if they were placed in orbit.
Why? They would be outside the atmosphere in both scenarios.
The 11000 KM in the article referred to the circumference of the moon. The (harebrained) scheme postulates putting the photoarray entirely around the moon at its equator (on the surface).
Only half of that circumference is facing the sun at any given time. Only about 2/3s of that half would have anything near an optimal angle to the sun.
By placing steerable arrays in earth orbit, you gain the ability to keep ALL of them always angle toward the sun.
If a sender continues to send you email after you tried to unsubscribe from their messages, new messages from this sender will go directly to Spam.
True, but that is exactly what happens when you mark it as spam. So for the user, there is no difference.
So all this does, is affirm to the sender that this is a real and in-use email address. And that is a valuable commodity. Many will simply take you off of their list, and sell your email to the next spammer on their list. This is why you end up getting more and more offers form different spammers after you successfully get off of someone's list.
So unless google also keeps a list of known address-reseller chains, this can play into the hands of the worst offenders, while not helping the user at all.
I pretty much believe Google's rational for doing this, even though I don't agree with it. People are marking too much legitimate email as spam simply because they are no longer interested in that source. That's fine for the individual, but feeds back into the spam catching system, and can make even your actual bank notifications look like spam.
There are companies that will legitimately honor unsubscribe, and there are others that merely put your email up for sale to others upon receiving an unsubscribe, and those buyers will add you to their email arbitrarily..
Google has to be very careful to only offer this unsubscribe capability to those companies that will honor it. But I suspect they will, as they usually do, simply try a one size fits all solution and they will end up feeding the trolls.
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I don't think he was joking. You may think so at your peril.
The last time cuts of this nature were proposed the idea was to entirely stand down the US Marine Corps. (Still beating that drum today).
Because we were never going to have to invade any country again.
Then Saddam over ran Kuwait, and was looking hungrily at Saudi Arabia.
Guess who arrived first ?
He's saying as soon as you appear weak, you are weak.
The last time we had such a recommendation it was to totally get rid of the Marine Corps.
The next hear Gulf 1 started, and Kuwait was over run, and those same "useless" Marines once again arrived the firstest with the mostest.
are you sure military budget not lining fat cat and shareholder pockets?
Some is. No doubt
Are you so sure welfare and obamacare isn't lining the fat cat and shareholder pockets?
Around these parts its commonly known that running a non-profit is one of the most lucrative gigs you can get.
I think you'll find that 40 mile range is inadequate even if you only THINK you commute 5 miles.
(5 miles is bike commuting range).
You get groceries, visit people, go out to dinner, see the dentist etc. You probably visit the bigger next town for shopping.
You'd end up having to have another car just to do those things.
The claimed range is 100 miles. Go read reviews by actual owners. See if you believe that 100 miles.
Then see if you'd believe 40 if they told you that was the range.
Clearly the car has a battery sized for what Nissan believe is within the daily commute of a high percentage
of its target market. (They could have made it larger or smaller).
But sales numbers indicate that the Price is definitely too high.
MSRP Range:
$28,980 - $35,020
Used Range
$16,500 - $22,000
The only real rule for ensuring you'll do better in the future is to AVOID BIG DEBTS. Nowhere in the popular media will you ever see that truth.
Because you are posting as AC, it seem likely that if I took 17 seconds to google avoiding debt and pasted a couple hundred links to prove you wrong you would declare them not part of "popular" media. So lets not play that game.
Here's the challenge: You define popular media.
Then we can talk.
And while I'm in support of this, it's pathetic that we need classes to teach people such things; it shows how unintelligent most people are, and demonstrates further that schools are based on rote memorization.
I suppose you sprung from the womb, with a credit card, checkbook, investments all in hand, taxes paid up, retirement account established and ready to go?
Seriously, where do you suppose people learn stuff? Not everyone's parents are able to teach this kind of stuff, some scarcely know it themselves. What do you think education is for? If not teaching this, then what SHOULD they teach?
Its not like it is all expected to be taught to seniors in High school. It can be spread over many years. Just like everything else taught in public schools.
In sixth grade we had an investment chapter in one of my classes. We learned to to research stocks and bonds. We made investments (monopoly money). We tracked them every week through the newspaper. YES Newspaper. This was 1962 There was no internet. My parents never had enough to invest. They had no clue. I knew what a PE ratio was before I was out of grade school. (Didn't fully understand it, but knew where it came from and how to use it).
I just wish my mom had access to the water your mom drank. Maybe I would have sprung fully fledged into the delivery room, ready to go job hunting the next day.
The dealership isn't that clueless, its the high-school bimbos they hire to answer phone and schedule shit.
But $90k is hardly what a celebrity would consider a high profile car.
A Bentley, maybe.
If the Tesla was more stylish and couldn't be mistaken for a Ford Fusion at first glance, the Celebs would all own one.
I think there is market for the leaf if they quadrupled the range with no more than 5k added to the price, and did nothing else.
There are a lot of people who like little cars for running around town.
he Leaf competes with the Tesla in the sense that if it had better range (say 150% more at the cost of maybe $10k more), I'm sure there'd be much more folks considering it.
Agreed. The leaf is just too range challenged. (Claims 100miles, owners say half of that)
Add to that, the leaf has little in the way of creature comforts or high tech gadgetry.
Its safety rating is Good, (code word for mediocre)
Its a pretty bare bones car, sold at a loss.
Its performance is abysmal
That much is fairly obvious just looking at the specs.
I suspect Nissan is busy trying to figure out which of those features is important to the Tesla owner, but I rather
suspect the answer will be All of the above.
In my experience if you want something that google classified as spam to not be considered spam, just
mark it as not spam, and future emailing seem to follow it into your inbox. They seem to have some
form of an exception system for each user.
Worst case, you add the sender to your contacts, (although I only do that as a last resort).
It doesn't seem affect anyone else's rating or the community rating. (I sometimes get the same (spammy looking, but not actually spam) emails in more than one of my Google accounts. In one I clicked not spam, in the other I left it laying in the spam folder. Sure enough I get all their newsletters in the account I clicked Not Spam. The other doesn't see it.
(By the way, this kind of filtering is also available with Spamassassin, where one mans spam is another mans treasures. I can't imagine google did any less of a job than Spamassassin).
As for which kind of things pass you along from one to the next, I've found this with mail order places. I've ordered the odd part off the internet, get on their mailing list, un-subscribe, and get mail from similar providers shortly there after, having never heard from them before.
I use plus-addressing for many of these one-off purchases: See: https://support.google.com/mai... and that way I know when these addresses are being shopped around. The idiots sell address forward, plus-address and all.
(Yeah, I know these places have dodgy reputations, and I shouldn't shop there, but once in a while they also have cool things).
Is this actually a proposal to provide a general solution to the halting problem for a potentially unpredictable(if parts of it are hidden by the bugged component) program running on logic that may deviate from expected behavior under unknown conditions, or is there some trick that makes it less hopeless?
Well when you read the article its just comes down to a glorified Certificate of Authenticity:
DARPA said it eversions this dielet will be inserted into the electronic component's package at the manufacturing site or affixed to existing trusted components, without any alteration of the host component's design or reliability. There is no electrical connection between the dielet and the host component.
So yeah, the first thing that will be counterfeited will be these dielets.
But even baring that, since it has no connection to the actual electronics and firmware, simply seeing it on the package means nothing if the part you are using was compromised before it came out of manufacture, or passed through hands with the capability to compromise it before it hit your loading dock.
I suppose this solves the problem of those clone factories that manage to completely clone a functioning board or component to the point that it actually operates (at some level) and inserts these into the supply chain as a money grab. It probably doesn't save you from espionage on a grander level such as state sponsored.
Did you even fucking read what I wrote? We have plenty of desert. Look at a map.
Are you totally ignorant of the solar arrays being built all over the western states, and all over the world, that are in production today?
Do you realize it takes less than 2 years to put huge solar plants into production?
We have no technology to do what you are such and ardent fanboy of doing.
Its at least 100-200 years away. With a world wide emergency crash program, all nations, all in, we couldn't even get the factory equipment to the moon in 50 years.
In a 10th of that time the improvements in solar efficiency quickly make your moon based manufacturing facility obsolete.
Economics trumps science every time. If you can't afford it, it doesn't matter how cool it would be.
Actually, no. Simply not true.
If you mark something as NOT spam in Google, its not spam for you and and you will get it even if others consider it spam.
Besides, I don't mark legit emails as spam. Neither does anyone else. Its largely a fictitious problem.
Simply because spam includes an un-subscribe link doesn't make it not spam.
I'm an economist by trade.
I realize that earth based collection even an attenuated flood of energy from the sun is VASTLY cheaper than building collection in space and hoping (without any real demonstrated capability) to then somehow avoid that same attenuation when transmitting it to earth.
There is no shortage of land on the earth for such collection systems. Look at a map someday.
You are going to need that land either for gathering the microwaves, or for gathering the suns rays. You can't avoid the earth based collection array. So why not not skip all that nonsense in space with technology we don't have, can't afford, and instead build out solar and transmission lines on earth, with slowly increasing efficiency as the technology improves.
Flinging insults around does not help your case, and doesn't make your favored proposal any more cost effective and does not hasten feasibility.
Buy the time you build your FIRST demonstration panel on the moon, we could cover vast stretches of the Sahara, the Gobi and the Sonoran deserts with less efficient but vastly cheaper and easier to maintain arrays.
It doesn't matter that its less efficient do do it on earth. It only matters that it is cheaper. Efficiency, divorced from cost, means nothing.
People are demonstrably TERRIBLE at remembering passwords. I know people who have to look up passwords for things they use daily.
Then don't have a password at all.
Have another device, say a cheap small write-once USB flash drive stick with a PGP Private key on it sold with every device.
You keep this at home under your mattress, or in your safe, or at your mom's house.
Its only used to wipe or nuke the phone.
We can argue how that private key gets there as a separate issue. Do you put it there, or does the carrier, or the manufacturer?
Given that the manufacturer (and perhaps the government) can and probably will have a backdoor anyway, it probably doesn't
make too much sense to burden the average user with creating a private key
But if desired, that could be done by plugging the device into the phone and invoking a one time procedure to generate the
keys and write them into write-once memory on the phone and the USB stick.
Beaming the power back is not dangerous - you design the system to collect over a large area so that any one point in the beam is of very low intensity.
Plus the amount of power this system would beam to earth is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the amount that is beamed to the earth every day by the sun,
Keep talking. You are making terrestrial solar power sound better and better all the time, and this silly scheme totally pointless.
Do I actually use Gmail?
About 5 accounts. For over 10 years.
Do I get spam in my inbox?
A few. But only once from each source, because I mark them as spam, and then never hear from them again.
If I unsubscribe from one spammer, do I hear from similar (but different) spammers?
Absolutely. More often, they go direct to my spam box, because.....(wait for it....)
THAT'S HOW WELL MARKING THEM SPAM WORKS.
In short, its not broken, and doesn't need fixing.
But then you have a ton of arrays in solar orbit that you have to monitor and require fuel for station keeping.
Sucking in all that sunlight, don't you suppose that a small amount of it could be used for station keeping? Ion Thrusters are already in use for this purpose on several satellites. You save the chemical rocket motors for bring them to maintenance orbits or deorbit them.
I wasn't suggesting solar orbits, I was suggesting earth orbit, or Lagrangian point. Of course, the risk of beaming that much microwave power to earth is probably not worth the effort. Just adds to global warming.
Besides, (peeks at map of the world), it's not like we have a shortage of places to put huge solar arrays.
Tom Clancy won a Nobel price in physics once by having a satellite in a geostationary orbit over the north pole.
They would collect twice the energy if they were placed in orbit.
Why? They would be outside the atmosphere in both scenarios.
The 11000 KM in the article referred to the circumference of the moon. The (harebrained) scheme postulates
putting the photoarray entirely around the moon at its equator (on the surface).
Only half of that circumference is facing the sun at any given time.
Only about 2/3s of that half would have anything near an optimal angle to the sun.
By placing steerable arrays in earth orbit, you gain the ability to keep ALL of them always angle toward the sun.
Yeah, because nobody every got spam from using facebook messaging. (rolls eyes).
They do. If you look here, Google states that:
If a sender continues to send you email after you tried to unsubscribe from their messages, new messages from this sender will go directly to Spam.
True, but that is exactly what happens when you mark it as spam. So for the user, there is no difference.
So all this does, is affirm to the sender that this is a real and in-use email address. And that is a valuable commodity. Many will simply take you off of their list, and sell your email to the next spammer on their list. This is why you end up getting more and more offers form different spammers after you successfully get off of someone's list.
So unless google also keeps a list of known address-reseller chains, this can play into the hands of the worst offenders, while not helping the user at all.
Do you have any data to back this up?
Lately, people have been dropping facebook in droves, and switching to smaller less public messaging services. Some even reverting to gmail.
Google isn't seeing less email. They blew past hotmail in 2012 to be come the worlds largest email service. 425 million ACTIVE users, and a couple hundred more occasional users.
I pretty much believe Google's rational for doing this, even though I don't agree with it. People are marking too much legitimate email as spam simply because they are no longer interested in that source. That's fine for the individual, but feeds back into the spam catching system, and can make even your actual bank notifications look like spam.
There are companies that will legitimately honor unsubscribe, and there are others that merely put your email up for sale to others upon receiving an unsubscribe, and those buyers will add you to their email arbitrarily..
Google has to be very careful to only offer this unsubscribe capability to those companies that will honor it.
But I suspect they will, as they usually do, simply try a one size fits all solution and they will end up feeding the trolls.