It was never all that tightly classified, because it never worked, was built in Canada, and it never got more than three feet off the ground or flew faster than 35mph.
Ultimately, though, the fact that we use fixed-wing aircraft today is a good indicator that flying saucers, while cool, just aren’t that functional. If flying saucers were somehow faster or more efficient or capable of lifting heavier loads, we would almost certainly see them in a commercial (to say nothing about combat) setting.
Its been 60 years since the 1950's, yet the government and washington can't keep a secret for a New York Minute. Everything about our space launches is public knowledge. Everything about our nuclear arsenal is public knowledge. The Chinese and Russians stole our plans right from under our noses and replicated everything from the B29 to the Space Shuttle.
Yet there are idiots like you that believe that Administration after Administration, in country after country has kept a secret for 60 years because the poor public couldn't handle the truth if it were found out there were Aliens visiting the earth, but would have no problem handling the truth that their own governments built Mutually Assured Destruction arsenals and had the world living in fear of nuclear war for 30 years.
60 years, and not one honest man has surfaced with the goods in hand?
Questions is, would geothermal energy alone be enough to provide enough heat for life? Or would a planet cool down entirely, despite of the reactor burning down below, bringing it to a halt.
I think its not inconceivable that there could be some optimum sized planet with an optimally sized core that might survive long enough to have developed life. But it would be a massive heat radiator which should be visible in the infra-red.
From what I understand, the geothermal core is essential for our survival; without it, the heat derived from the Sun isn't capable of being able to appropriately compensate in recreating the conditions for our type of life forms.
Perhaps on THIS planet the core's heat is necessary, but that certainly wouldn't hold for a planet somewhat closer to the sun. There must be some proximity where the star's warmth is just goldilocks right.
There are far too many hard and fast rules for habitability imposed by people who do nothing but speculate, with very little imagination.
We need a moon, We need a magnetic field. We need a molten core.
The list goes on.
Look, its no surprise that earth is the perfect planet for humans, but that doesn't mean everything else has to be exactly the same. We don't all live on the African savanna, even though Groog probably insisted to Ooook that people could never live anywhere but within sight of one specific banyan tree.
Adjust your settings to hide comments moderated under +2, and you shouldn't see many trolls. I agree, this should not be like reddit.
It would be wonderful if SlashDot had some settings that actually worked on Mobile Devices.
I can't get that stupid slider to work on anything but a desktop browser. Radio buttons would be nice. A control panel that actually worked would be nice.
Here's an Idea, All Slashdot editors and admins are relegated to using Off the Shelf tables next month. For the whole month.
You'd think they'd at least do a quick type-it-into-their-browser before the launch.
Well even searching for a name can trigger registrations of that name. I've had this happen to me while searching for a name for a customer, I checked several registrars to be sure the name was free. Made the mistake of doing this over a couple of weeks, and by the time they gave me the go-ahead it was snapped up by some guy in a spanish speaking country. (The domain only made sense in english). Sure enough he would sell it for $1000. (Actually he wanted the equivalent in Mexican Pesos.)
In fact the article says:
XboxOne.com isn't being used for anything, so it's in effect a squat
So no matter how long ago he registered it he probably had inside information or results from domain name searches.
That long in advance does seem a little odd, because tacking ONE on the end of stuff only became popular recently, the Nexus One was the first big example that comes to mind. I wonder how many other names this guy registered.
(You don't know until you tried something, you learn from your mistakes, bold experiments tend to turn up unexpected results, etc.)
Really? That's how civilization works? We all learn everything from scratch, without even a glance toward science, past experience, and the accumulated knowledge of mankind's history?
Would you participate in a study of the chance of surviving a game or Russian Roulette played with all cylinders loaded? How about a swim unaided across the Atlantic from New York to Norway?
Some things are simply not going to fly, and a kite with heavy wind generation equipment when the wind dies it one of them.
Agents (virus or bacteria) that kill 100 percent of those it infects do not last long, and generally do not spread far. It is a counter productive evolutionary path for infective agents.
Therefore, the tendency is to become less deadly in order to spread wider. Its not like there is any conscious thought involved here its just that those agents that are totally deadly tend to get buried or burned with their victims, whereas the less deadly versions spread far and wide due to the mobility of their hosts.
Everyone is so worried about whose ox was gored and whose ox did the goring that they are totally willing to overlook that we are all bleeding. And its not JUST this issue or JUST wiretaps.
The constitution is in tatters, our freedoms are an illusion, and everybody thinks that as long as they can drive to a ball game and have a beer everything is just fine.
Under the law they used for the warrant, they didn't have to notify until 90 days after the termination of the intercept. But since the intercept was continuous, and for all we know, still on-going, they never notified about Rosen's mail.
The whole article is a mess of obfuscation until you read to the bottom of the the story where it FINALLY gets to the point:
The gradual supplanting of the POP protocol, where messages typically were not left on mail servers and available for law enforcement, by the newer server-based IMAP protocol also encouraged this shift.
Any mail you keep on a service for more than 6 months is considered abandoned, and fair game. This means ANY IMAP account outside of your premises is wide open to seizure. Which means every google/microsoft/yahoo mail account is fair game under the obsolete 68 law unless you take careful pains to only and always use POP, and never leave a copy on the server.
The law is clearly being deliberately misused, and the mail is not abandoned, as long as the account is being used.
Or it could cause regional or tribal wars with people trying to get the best land for themselves.
The people that live there already know where the best soil is. Something to be said for living hundreds of generations the continent. Its probably outsiders that need these maps, you know like agribusiness or something.
They already have more cellular subscribers in SSA than in the USA, so its pretty clear that they can afford devices and computers. Google is very good at matching ads served to users needs. Did it even occur to you that Google will be selling ads to businesses in the same region or same city? Or are you so naive you believe Google will push ads for BMWs and Vegas vacations for people who only search for sandals and and oxen?
Can't prejudice such as this get Apple's case thrown out?
Apparently not, much to my dismay.
Judge Koh said that it was clear that Samsung violated Apple Patents with the Samsung tablet, yet that was the ONE device that the biased jury found not to violate ANY patents.
She has previously issued a Ban on its importation along with her ill advised pronouncements.
(Don't think Samsung is so dumb they won't bring this up on Appeal).
I would probably say that the fixed costs for both ebooks and paper books is probably about the same, and both are probably under $1.
You are close to being right, except you hand waive away distribution and shipping, and stocking costs of dead tree books, which the publisher does not actually pay for. That component costs way more than electronic distribution.
But there is also fiction in the so called production costs of ebooks vs paper books. Yes they both require editing. But that editing is done exactly once. You don't edit again when an ebook is released.
And building an ebook takes LESS time than setting up a press run, (its literally do-able with off the shelf commercial (and free) software with one mouse click.
Author's royalties are the only real constant between books and ebooks. And the publishers force a lot of costs back onto the authors for printed books.
The rest of the cost comparison is bean counter's Bistro Math designed to come out a certain way before a single number is actually crunched.
technically you are right, but amazon was selling ebooks at a loss. without apple and the feds they had to take the losses for a few years until B&N bit the dust and then jack up their prices.
apple might have broken the law, but they got amazon to actually innovate in the book selling biz
Amazon wasn't selling e-books at a loss. Yes, they offered some bargains on some books, at some points in time. But they have stated that they made money on the ebook segment as a whole, and that was NOT by including it in the e-reader segment.
Its is fiction that Amazon sold all ebooks at a loss. A fiction invented by Apple for the most part.
Probably because from Apple's perspective, all Apple did was let the publishers set their own book prices. That's basically what this case is about.
No, continue your reading and research. This is FAR from all the case is about. Apple entered into a collusion with the publishers (who have all ran for the exits) to fix the price of e-books across the entire industry, and to trash the first sale doctrine in the process by forcing every reseller to be the Agent of the publisher.
There is no way this could have been accomplished previously. Apple did this to raise margins because they wanted and demanded 30% on everything sold thru the iTunes store, but there was not 30% to be had with Amazon working on much slimmer margins. The only way this could be pulled off was for all publishers to simultaneously force all resellers to Agency terms. That required one big (new) reseller with nothing to lose, to agree to it, so that the publishers could preserve the e-book market, and force the smaller resellers to toe the line.
And while we like to blame Cook, it was really Jobs who formed this conspiracy.
But the way this lawsuit works the last to agree holds the largest bag. And Apple was too proud to admit its part in this collusion, and as a result they are going to pay up big. Very Big.
Early last year some Lenovo Thinkpads had issues with lockups due to a voltage regulator being off spec.
Not terribly on-topic, but it was either that or scream: "I just bought an Ivy Brigde laptop dammit, Dammit, DAAAMMMIT!!!"
But putting the voltage reg in the CPU seems to be fraught with peril as well.
This means you are going to have to 1) have redundant regulation on the mo-bo for other components, and 2) subject your CPU to much higher (and unregulated) voltages. You've added another heat generation source right there on the CPU, and power excursions are likely to take out your processor.
The idea that Google is going to make money on subscription services is dubious.
By wireless I assume they mean Cellular.
Marketing Cellular to "sub-Saharan Africa" might work because The number of mobile phone users in sub-Saharan Africa rose by 44 per cent to 475 million, compared to just 12.3 million fixed line connections, representing the highest proportion of mobile versus fixed line connections in the world.
So cellular penetration is already bigger there than you might imagine, and apparently there is no problem affording handsets, and computers. So if there is enough money to buy equipment there is probably enough money to support advertising.
I would worry more about becoming targets for muslim extremists than failing to gain traction due to poor market conditions.
Even Andrea Rossi himself is a little afraid of this. He said that once you open the machine, the self-destruct function will terminate the working bits. He does this to protect his machine from prying eyes and people who want to steel this idea.
Then he just makes them, and sells them without a patent or not at all.
Because a patent is a two way street, you gain a RIGHT to exclusivity protected by society (laws), and in exchange society gets a new invention.
If his system self destructs, then he doesn't need a patent. He has all the protection he needs.
So if you were being denied patents on scientific grounds you would give your "magical" discovery away to people who may or may not steal it and sell it.
You build a reasonable scale model, prove that it works, and you will get your patent. A patent requires that you disclose how something works. In exchange for this disclosure to society, you are given the right to make money from it for a certain period of time.
1982-ish and previous pennies were 97.5% copper. You can tell the difference by the sound they make when dropped on a hard surface.
Or by trying to pick them up with a magnet
Ah, no. Modern US pennies will not pick up with a magnet. Modern pennies(post 1982) are 97.5% Zinc with the remaining 2.5% being electrolytically plated copper.
The only pennies you could pick up with a magnet were made during World War II, due to copper shortages. They were zink coated steel.
Disappearing to skip out on child support payments (as well as other debts and bills) is a big issue.
And probably those who defend the "right" to disappear and start over somewhere else 1) are male, 2) have personal involvement in such issues, and 3) think that saddling their Ex with huge bills "servers her right".
Intentionally disappearing is almost always a method to defraud someone else.
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Yeah, right, but the Avrocar wasn't all THAT secret, literally thousands of people knew about it.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/137505-us-air-forces-1950s-supersonic-flying-saucer-declassified
It was never all that tightly classified, because it never worked, was built in Canada, and it never got more than three feet off the ground or flew faster than 35mph.
Ultimately, though, the fact that we use fixed-wing aircraft today is a good indicator that flying saucers, while cool, just aren’t that functional. If flying saucers were somehow faster or more efficient or capable of lifting heavier loads, we would almost certainly see them in a commercial (to say nothing about combat) setting.
Its been 60 years since the 1950's, yet the government and washington can't keep a secret for a New York Minute.
Everything about our space launches is public knowledge. Everything about our nuclear arsenal is public knowledge.
The Chinese and Russians stole our plans right from under our noses and replicated everything from the B29 to the Space Shuttle.
Yet there are idiots like you that believe that Administration after Administration, in country after country has kept a secret for 60 years because the poor public couldn't handle the truth if it were found out there were Aliens visiting the earth, but would have no problem handling the truth that their own governments built Mutually Assured Destruction arsenals and had the world living in fear of nuclear war for 30 years.
60 years, and not one honest man has surfaced with the goods in hand?
Questions is, would geothermal energy alone be enough to provide enough heat for life? Or would a planet cool down entirely, despite of the reactor burning down below, bringing it to a halt.
I think its not inconceivable that there could be some optimum sized planet with an optimally sized core that might survive long enough to have developed life. But it would be a massive heat radiator which should be visible in the infra-red.
From what I understand, the geothermal core is essential for our survival; without it, the heat derived from the Sun isn't capable of being able to appropriately compensate in recreating the conditions for our type of life forms.
Perhaps on THIS planet the core's heat is necessary, but that certainly wouldn't hold for a planet somewhat closer to the sun.
There must be some proximity where the star's warmth is just goldilocks right.
There are far too many hard and fast rules for habitability imposed by people who do nothing but speculate, with very little imagination.
We need a moon,
We need a magnetic field.
We need a molten core.
The list goes on.
Look, its no surprise that earth is the perfect planet for humans, but that doesn't mean everything else has to be
exactly the same. We don't all live on the African savanna, even though Groog probably insisted to Ooook that
people could never live anywhere but within sight of one specific banyan tree.
+1 works with 0 collapsed its really hard to notice trolls unless you actually click them open and focus.
Actually, it doesn't.
Unless mods read the post first, there are a lot of posts the start at 0, yours for instance.
Starting with 0, means you see the trolls but only if you get there first before the merciless moders send them to oblivion.
Adjust your settings to hide comments moderated under +2, and you shouldn't see many trolls. I agree, this should not be like reddit.
It would be wonderful if SlashDot had some settings that actually worked on Mobile Devices.
I can't get that stupid slider to work on anything but a desktop browser. Radio buttons would be nice.
A control panel that actually worked would be nice.
Here's an Idea, All Slashdot editors and admins are relegated to using Off the Shelf tables next month.
For the whole month.
You'd think they'd at least do a quick type-it-into-their-browser before the launch.
Well even searching for a name can trigger registrations of that name. I've had this happen to me while
searching for a name for a customer, I checked several registrars to be sure the name was free. Made the
mistake of doing this over a couple of weeks, and by the time they gave me the go-ahead it was snapped up
by some guy in a spanish speaking country. (The domain only made sense in english).
Sure enough he would sell it for $1000. (Actually he wanted the equivalent in Mexican Pesos.)
In fact the article says:
XboxOne.com isn't being used for anything, so it's in effect a squat
So no matter how long ago he registered it he probably had inside information or results from domain name searches.
That long in advance does seem a little odd, because tacking ONE on the end of stuff only became popular
recently, the Nexus One was the first big example that comes to mind. I wonder how many other names
this guy registered.
(You don't know until you tried something, you learn from your mistakes, bold experiments tend to turn up unexpected results, etc.)
Really? That's how civilization works? We all learn everything from scratch, without even a glance toward science, past experience, and the accumulated knowledge of mankind's history?
Would you participate in a study of the chance of surviving a game or Russian Roulette played with all cylinders loaded?
How about a swim unaided across the Atlantic from New York to Norway?
Some things are simply not going to fly, and a kite with heavy wind generation equipment when the wind dies it one of them.
What the GP said is generally true.
Agents (virus or bacteria) that kill 100 percent of those it infects do not last long, and generally do not spread far.
It is a counter productive evolutionary path for infective agents.
Therefore, the tendency is to become less deadly in order to spread wider. Its not like there is any conscious thought involved
here its just that those agents that are totally deadly tend to get buried or burned with their victims, whereas the less deadly
versions spread far and wide due to the mobility of their hosts.
Exactly.
Everyone is so worried about whose ox was gored and whose ox did the goring that they are totally willing
to overlook that we are all bleeding. And its not JUST this issue or JUST wiretaps.
The constitution is in tatters, our freedoms are an illusion, and everybody thinks that as long as
they can drive to a ball game and have a beer everything is just fine.
Under the law they used for the warrant, they didn't have to notify until 90 days after the termination of the intercept.
But since the intercept was continuous, and for all we know, still on-going, they never notified about Rosen's mail.
The whole article is a mess of obfuscation until you read to the bottom of the the story where it FINALLY gets to the point:
The gradual supplanting of the POP protocol, where messages typically were not left on mail servers and available for law enforcement, by the newer server-based IMAP protocol also encouraged this shift.
Any mail you keep on a service for more than 6 months is considered abandoned, and fair game. This means ANY IMAP account outside of your premises is wide open to seizure.
Which means every google/microsoft/yahoo mail account is fair game under the obsolete 68 law unless you take careful pains to only and always use POP, and never leave a copy on the server.
The law is clearly being deliberately misused, and the mail is not abandoned, as long as the account is being used.
Or it could cause regional or tribal wars with people trying to get the best land for themselves.
The people that live there already know where the best soil is. Something to be said for living hundreds of generations the continent.
Its probably outsiders that need these maps, you know like agribusiness or something.
They already have more cellular subscribers in SSA than in the USA, so its pretty clear that they can afford
devices and computers. Google is very good at matching ads served to users needs.
Did it even occur to you that Google will be selling ads to businesses in the same region or same city? Or are you so naive you believe Google will push ads for BMWs and Vegas vacations for people who only search for sandals and and oxen?
Interest, yes. Cash, no.
That's what being very poor means.
Then how do explain that there are far more cell phone subscribers in SSA than in the USA?
Can't prejudice such as this get Apple's case thrown out?
Apparently not, much to my dismay.
Judge Koh said that it was clear that Samsung violated Apple Patents with the Samsung tablet, yet that was the ONE device that the biased jury found not to violate ANY patents.
She has previously issued a Ban on its importation along with her ill advised pronouncements.
(Don't think Samsung is so dumb they won't bring this up on Appeal).
I would probably say that the fixed costs for both ebooks and paper books is probably about the same, and both are probably under $1.
You are close to being right, except you hand waive away distribution and shipping, and stocking costs of dead tree books, which the publisher does not actually pay for. That component costs way more than electronic distribution.
But there is also fiction in the so called production costs of ebooks vs paper books. Yes they both require editing. But that editing is done exactly once. You don't edit again when an ebook is released.
And building an ebook takes LESS time than setting up a press run, (its literally do-able with off the shelf commercial (and free) software with one mouse click.
Author's royalties are the only real constant between books and ebooks. And the publishers force a lot of costs back onto the authors for printed books.
The rest of the cost comparison is bean counter's Bistro Math designed to come out a certain way before a single number is actually crunched.
technically you are right, but amazon was selling ebooks at a loss. without apple and the feds they had to take the losses for a few years until B&N bit the dust and then jack up their prices.
apple might have broken the law, but they got amazon to actually innovate in the book selling biz
Amazon wasn't selling e-books at a loss. Yes, they offered some bargains on some books, at some points in time.
But they have stated that they made money on the ebook segment as a whole, and that was NOT by including it in the e-reader segment.
Its is fiction that Amazon sold all ebooks at a loss. A fiction invented by Apple for the most part.
Probably because from Apple's perspective, all Apple did was let the publishers set their own book prices. That's basically what this case is about.
No, continue your reading and research. This is FAR from all the case is about. Apple entered into a collusion with the publishers (who have all ran for the exits) to fix the price of e-books across the entire industry, and to trash the first sale doctrine in the process by forcing every reseller to be the Agent of the publisher.
There is no way this could have been accomplished previously. Apple did this to raise margins because they wanted and demanded 30% on everything sold thru the iTunes store, but there was not 30% to be had with Amazon working on much slimmer margins. The only way this could be pulled off was for all publishers to simultaneously force all resellers to Agency terms. That required one big (new) reseller with nothing to lose, to agree to it, so that the publishers could preserve the e-book market, and force the smaller resellers to toe the line.
And while we like to blame Cook, it was really Jobs who formed this conspiracy.
But the way this lawsuit works the last to agree holds the largest bag. And Apple was too proud to admit its part in this collusion, and as a result they are going to pay up big. Very Big.
Early last year some Lenovo Thinkpads had issues with lockups due to a voltage regulator being off spec.
Not terribly on-topic, but it was either that or scream: "I just bought an Ivy Brigde laptop dammit, Dammit, DAAAMMMIT!!!"
But putting the voltage reg in the CPU seems to be fraught with peril as well.
This means you are going to have to 1) have redundant regulation on the mo-bo for other components, and 2) subject your CPU to much higher (and unregulated) voltages. You've added another heat generation source right there on the CPU, and power excursions are likely to take out your processor.
And your problem with this is WHAT?
The idea that Google is going to make money on subscription services is dubious.
By wireless I assume they mean Cellular.
Marketing Cellular to "sub-Saharan Africa" might work because The number of mobile phone users in sub-Saharan Africa rose by 44 per cent to 475 million, compared to just 12.3 million fixed line connections, representing the highest proportion of mobile versus fixed line connections in the world.
By comparison, there are only 326 million subscribers in the US.
(There is little street level wired infrastructure there, and cellular is the big player. (pdf). )
So cellular penetration is already bigger there than you might imagine, and apparently there is no problem affording handsets, and computers. So if there is enough money to buy equipment there is probably enough money to support advertising.
I would worry more about becoming targets for muslim extremists than failing to gain traction due to poor market conditions.
Fraud is against the law in all 50 states. It is definitely a matter for the police.
Even Andrea Rossi himself is a little afraid of this. He said that once you open the machine, the self-destruct function will terminate the working bits. He does this to protect his machine from prying eyes and people who want to steel this idea.
Then he just makes them, and sells them without a patent or not at all.
Because a patent is a two way street, you gain a RIGHT to exclusivity protected by society (laws), and in exchange society gets a new invention.
If his system self destructs, then he doesn't need a patent. He has all the protection he needs.
And Fairy's are people too, you insensitive clod!
So if you were being denied patents on scientific grounds you would give your "magical" discovery away to people who may or may not steal it and sell it.
You build a reasonable scale model, prove that it works, and you will get your patent.
A patent requires that you disclose how something works.
In exchange for this disclosure to society, you are given the right to make money from it for a certain period of time.
1982-ish and previous pennies were 97.5% copper. You can tell the difference by the sound they make when dropped on a hard surface.
Or by trying to pick them up with a magnet
Ah, no. Modern US pennies will not pick up with a magnet.
Modern pennies(post 1982) are 97.5% Zinc with the remaining 2.5% being electrolytically plated copper.
The only pennies you could pick up with a magnet were made during World War II, due to copper shortages. They were zink coated steel.
Exactly.
Disappearing to skip out on child support payments (as well as other debts and bills) is a big issue.
And probably those who defend the "right" to disappear and start over somewhere else 1) are male, 2) have personal involvement in such issues, and 3) think that saddling their Ex with huge bills "servers her right".
Intentionally disappearing is almost always a method to defraud someone else.