The arrangement is specifically designed so that, for instance, the NSA can spy on British citizens for the Brits (or vice versa) without breaking any local laws. Each country has geographic regions of specialty.
All pretense of that have been dropped. Both the US and the Brits have brushed aside any such local laws. Probably the Australians as well.
It would be fine if the NSA watched the US borders, and the Australian Signals Directorate watched the Australian borders.
But that isn't what is happening. The NSA has taken it upon itself, even before 9/11, to monitor every aspect of American life, and I'm sure the Australian Signals Directorate is doing the same down under.
I'm not so naive as to believe there aren't people IN the US and IN Australia and IN Great Britain, that want to do damage to their country. But that's a local police matter, not something that should be trusted to national agencies with worldwide scope.
Watching everyone isn't the answer, in fact its more a cause of hatred of one's own country than a cure for it. I can't remember a time when Americans distrusted their own government as much as they do today.
Hang on to it as long as they can does in no way imply forever.
They still have to confirm to their publicly stated policy.
They have already published their retention policy which says it will be gone from their servers in 30 days, and cycled out of their backup "tapes" in 60 days. Google has been pretty up front about their privacy policy, even turning themselves into the feds when they find that they violated it.
what makes you think that when (your view) of an email "goes away", they haven't retained it, or the important bits of it, somewhere else?(/quote>
I don't remember saying that. Google has already stated it could take as long as 6 months for backups that include your mail to cycle out of existence. Then, if you got your gmail via your company or school, they may be using Google Vault, in which case it could be even longer.
There are several interesting things Google is offering (Google KEEP being the last one I noticed) that I simply refuse to get involved with. There are other syncing notebook managers that have this as their only business, and they will be around long after google dumps Keep.
My mouse should be private. Also, I'd prefer if my typing was private until a send was approved by me. Also, maybe the way to surf the internet is to download the internet to local storage, and then just surf the local storage. For feeds, comment sections, and the like, well download a smaller portion of the internet
But your mouse is't private now. Facebook isn't the first to do this, other advertisers are already putting this tracking into mouse hovers over their ads. Just Google mouse hover tracking. Google may be the ultimate culprit since they server the bulk of ads, and they Patented this technology 3 years ago.
They may do it there, but they also do it in the background. You never have to actually open the web client and you will start seeing targeted ads show up on various web pages.
I recently had occasion to email Chrysler, (using Thunderbird), and after several exchanges via email, I noticed that Chrysler ads were showing up on dozens of different web pages that had nothing to do with cars.
I don't understand the problem either. Gmail works fine with any IMAP client I care to configure. IMAP itself has some weirdness around how clients interact with various folders, but that's not Gmail's fault.
Well, yes, it is Gmail's fault.
Gmail doesn't really have Folders, because its just a mail heap with pointers (labels) to simulate folders. So if Gmail has a non-standard implementation, its up to them to go the extra mile to make it work with Imap.
Their current implementation is needlessly complex, to the point that anyone actually using much more than the default Inbox (a shifting target of late) has to have a pretty good understanding of both the folder concept AND the label concept to get things to work right.
Difficult to use with a third-party client? Really??? Please be more specific and elaborate cause i always had the opposite impression!
Yeah, its not difficult to use with any third party client that supports pop or imap. (Being the 800 pound gorilla, most clients support Gmail automatically).
What can be difficult is getting Gmail to NOT retain your mail. When you "delete" it, it really just goes to Gmail trash, where it sits for another month. If you move it to local (on device/computer) folders, again it goes to Gmail Trash. You can't avoid this with pop. You can avoid it with imap, but not with the standard settings of gmail. You have to fiddle with some uncleanly worded setting to achieve instant delete).
Normal users will find stuff they thought they deleted sitting in All Mail for years after, because delete has some rather nebulous meaning in Gmail.
Imap has always been folders based, but there is no technical reason it need be, when each "folder" could just be a list of pointers to individual messages in any sort of back end storage you may choose.
The penalty is a double hit, (read a pointer, then read the file), but seriously, there is a great deal of flexibility offered by multiple simple indexes pointing to the same mail heap. In any Nix file system it could be done with nothing but soft links, thereby eliminating any double hit penalty.
But still Gmail violates so many standards for email, that unless you buy into the whole Google World View, its hard to swallow some of the stuff it does.
It goes out of its way to make it very very difficult to actually delete mail. Even if you pop it, it copies it to their own trash bin. There is no way to expunge with Pop. With Imap, you can expunge, but not with the default setup.
Without retaining your mail, they can't scan it to send you advertising. Since they don't do that in real-time, they need to hang on to it for as long as they can.
But as you pointed out, it was nothing but a web page, feeding on a bunch of parameters held somewhere. Seriously, how expensive is that to maintain?
Write Once, it should work for ever, or until significant portions of the html spec are deprecated. But web standards are typically expanded and enhanced without dropping completely what existed before.
I suspect it was so shoddily written, by a summer intern who has moved on, and no one can figure out how it works, and it wasn't worth the time to make it monetize-able.
We THINK we detected some anomaly in gravity. Even that isn't certain.
When you look into that, the Galaxy Rotation Curve, (the source of much of the dark matter speculation), is itself pretty much of a huge kludge of assumptions and guesses.
No, we can't. We only know to what extent our speculation and our math fails to completely work to our satisfaction. Se we invent a black-box term to get the math to work out. We are quite precise in our invention. We design instruments to detect this stuff that the math predicts is there. Instruments fail, time after time.
You always need to consider the fact that it might be something else in the math that is wrong. Otherwise, you might just as well attribute it to unicorns.
True, even failed theories advance science in some way or other. However at some point you have to let them go.
The summary where it clearly states:
Physicists know from astronomical observations that 85% of the Universe's matter is dark,
I suggest they KNOW no such thing, and merely postulate dark matter to get their equations to balance. But how many such equation balancing inventions are laying in the dustbin of Physicists' revised theories over the years?
Unless or until the Physicists can find fault with the detectors, all of which have failed to find a trace of something allegedly composing 85% of the universe , it would seem that the whole "dark matter is known to exist" statement needs to taken down a notch. Detectors designed to their own specs fail to produce a single trace. It doesn't matter that there are very precise measurements of exactly how much the equations are out of balance.
Hanging an existing UI on top of a totally different kernel and OS and hardware to help users make a transition is nothing to sneeze at. (Unless, of course, when Microsoft does it).
But to bring this back on topic, Apple did this because they realized their existing OS and hardware had hit a brick wall, and they had already lost the desktop war. They essentially did Shut it Down as both Michael Dell and Jobs had suggested and rebooted with new architectures and new OSs.
They've Still lost the desktop wars, but they stole a march on the Gadget wars which is now well in excess of 70% of their income.
Certified (which means nothing by the way) or not, the tools weren't used PERIOD. Read TFA, and you will see that had they been used, they would have shown the same results that they did for the expert witness.
It has long been said the as soon as your C programmer walks out the door, your software becomes unmaintainable, so it is quite possible that C is fundamentally unsuitable for this type of work, but the problem is that it is the industry standard. Its probably the only language the Processor manufacturer, NEC (now Renesas) supports.
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I suggest those locations are probably still used for some satellite traffic, but these days satellites have very tightly controlled footprints.
These sites are more likely used for combat info systems, these days. (Drones, etc).
The cable landings are where the tap occurs. Most internet traffic goes by cable.
The arrangement is specifically designed so that, for instance, the NSA can spy on British citizens for the Brits (or vice versa) without breaking any local laws. Each country has geographic regions of specialty.
All pretense of that have been dropped.
Both the US and the Brits have brushed aside any such local laws. Probably the Australians as well.
Nothing good can come from this level of spying and information gathering. Nothing!
Exactly.
This level of distrust BY our government breeds hatred and distrust OF our government.
This can't end well.
It would be fine if the NSA watched the US borders, and the Australian Signals Directorate watched the Australian borders.
But that isn't what is happening. The NSA has taken it upon itself, even before 9/11, to monitor every aspect of American life, and
I'm sure the Australian Signals Directorate is doing the same down under.
I'm not so naive as to believe there aren't people IN the US and IN Australia and IN Great Britain, that want to do damage to their country.
But that's a local police matter, not something that should be trusted to national agencies with worldwide scope.
Watching everyone isn't the answer, in fact its more a cause of hatred of one's own country than a cure for it.
I can't remember a time when Americans distrusted their own government as much as they do today.
And my point was to make it clear to him that the Scientific meaning is at play here.
This article must be a click farm because it sure doesn't have any actual content.
Of course not, this is slashdot, never link to the target when you can hype some blog instead.
Actual content at http://www.social-engineer.org/defcon21/DC21_SECTF_Final.pdf
Upshot: Be suspicious of calls from men, just hang up on women.
Hang on to it as long as they can does in no way imply forever.
They still have to confirm to their publicly stated policy.
They have already published their retention policy which says it will be gone from their servers in 30 days, and cycled out of their backup "tapes" in 60 days. Google has been pretty up front about their privacy policy, even turning themselves into the feds when they find that they violated it.
what makes you think that when (your view) of an email "goes away", they haven't retained it, or the important bits of it, somewhere else?(/quote>
I don't remember saying that.
Google has already stated it could take as long as 6 months for backups that include your mail to cycle out of existence.
Then, if you got your gmail via your company or school, they may be using Google Vault, in which case it could be even longer.
I couldn't agree more.
There are several interesting things Google is offering (Google KEEP being the last one I noticed) that I simply refuse to get involved with. There are other syncing notebook managers that have this as their only business, and they will be around long after google dumps Keep.
My mouse should be private. Also, I'd prefer if my typing was private until a send was approved by me.
Also, maybe the way to surf the internet is to download the internet to local storage, and then just surf the local storage. For feeds, comment sections, and the like, well download a smaller portion of the internet
But your mouse is't private now.
Facebook isn't the first to do this, other advertisers are already putting this tracking into mouse hovers over their ads. Just Google mouse hover tracking. Google may be the ultimate culprit since they server the bulk of ads, and they Patented this technology 3 years ago.
They may do it there, but they also do it in the background.
You never have to actually open the web client and you will start seeing targeted ads show up on various web pages.
I recently had occasion to email Chrysler, (using Thunderbird), and after several exchanges via email, I noticed that
Chrysler ads were showing up on dozens of different web pages that had nothing to do with cars.
A hard disk fail? Google?
A hard disk fails every minute of the day on Google's system. They have a bazillion of them.
I've never known any third party client that COULDN'T handle the volume.
Why do you keep all that mail in your inbox? That's what archive is for.
I don't understand the problem either. Gmail works fine with any IMAP client I care to configure. IMAP itself has some weirdness around how clients interact with various folders, but that's not Gmail's fault.
Well, yes, it is Gmail's fault.
Gmail doesn't really have Folders, because its just a mail heap with pointers (labels) to simulate folders.
So if Gmail has a non-standard implementation, its up to them to go the extra mile to make it work with Imap.
Their current implementation is needlessly complex, to the point that anyone actually using much more than the default Inbox (a shifting target of late) has to have a pretty good understanding of both the folder concept AND the label concept to get things to work right.
Difficult to use with a third-party client? Really??? Please be more specific and elaborate cause i always had the opposite impression!
Yeah, its not difficult to use with any third party client that supports pop or imap. (Being the 800 pound gorilla, most clients support Gmail automatically).
What can be difficult is getting Gmail to NOT retain your mail. When you "delete" it, it really just goes to Gmail trash, where it sits for another month. If you move it to local (on device/computer) folders, again it goes to Gmail Trash. You can't avoid this with pop. You can avoid it with imap, but not with the standard settings of gmail. You have to fiddle with some uncleanly worded setting to achieve instant delete).
Normal users will find stuff they thought they deleted sitting in All Mail for years after, because delete has some rather nebulous meaning in Gmail.
Interesting question.
Imap has always been folders based, but there is no technical reason it need be, when each "folder" could just
be a list of pointers to individual messages in any sort of back end storage you may choose.
The penalty is a double hit, (read a pointer, then read the file), but seriously, there is a great deal of flexibility offered
by multiple simple indexes pointing to the same mail heap. In any Nix file
system it could be done with nothing but soft links, thereby eliminating any double hit penalty.
Yes, Bott is hopeless.
But still Gmail violates so many standards for email, that unless you buy into the whole Google World View, its hard to swallow some of the stuff it does.
It goes out of its way to make it very very difficult to actually delete mail. Even if you pop it, it copies it to their own trash bin. There is no way to expunge with Pop. With Imap, you can expunge, but not with the default setup.
Without retaining your mail, they can't scan it to send you advertising. Since they don't do that in real-time, they need to hang on to it for as long as they can.
But as you pointed out, it was nothing but a web page, feeding on a bunch of parameters held somewhere.
Seriously, how expensive is that to maintain?
Write Once, it should work for ever, or until significant portions of the html spec are deprecated.
But web standards are typically expanded and enhanced without dropping completely what existed before.
I suspect it was so shoddily written, by a summer intern who has moved on, and no one can figure out
how it works, and it wasn't worth the time to make it monetize-able.
Theory is exactly the right word.
Perhaps you were mistaking the word Theory for something else?
We THINK we detected some anomaly in gravity. Even that isn't certain.
When you look into that, the Galaxy Rotation Curve, (the source of much of the dark matter speculation), is itself pretty much of a huge kludge of assumptions and guesses.
We can certainly detect dark matter.
No, we can't.
We only know to what extent our speculation and our math fails to completely work to our satisfaction.
Se we invent a black-box term to get the math to work out. We are quite precise in our invention.
We design instruments to detect this stuff that the math predicts is there. Instruments fail, time after
time.
You always need to consider the fact that it might be something else in the math that is wrong.
Otherwise, you might just as well attribute it to unicorns.
True, even failed theories advance science in some way or other.
However at some point you have to let them go.
The summary where it clearly states:
Physicists know from astronomical observations that 85% of the Universe's matter is dark,
I suggest they KNOW no such thing, and merely postulate dark matter to get their equations to balance. But how many such equation balancing inventions are laying in the dustbin of Physicists' revised theories over the years?
Unless or until the Physicists can find fault with the detectors, all of which have failed to find a trace of something allegedly composing 85% of the universe , it would seem that the whole "dark matter is known to exist" statement needs to taken down a notch. Detectors designed to their own specs fail to produce a single trace. It doesn't matter that there are very precise measurements of exactly how much the equations are out of balance.
And you have to give them credit for that.
Hanging an existing UI on top of a totally different kernel and OS and hardware to help users make a transition is nothing to sneeze at. (Unless, of course, when Microsoft does it).
But to bring this back on topic, Apple did this because they realized their existing OS and hardware had hit a brick wall, and they had already lost the desktop war. They essentially did Shut it Down as both Michael Dell and Jobs had suggested and rebooted with new architectures and new OSs.
They've Still lost the desktop wars, but they stole a march on the Gadget wars which is now well in excess of 70% of their income.
Because its not opensource. (And its not worth the effort, its not all that great).
Certified (which means nothing by the way) or not, the tools weren't used PERIOD. Read TFA, and you will see that had they been used, they would have shown the same results that they did for the expert witness.
It has long been said the as soon as your C programmer walks out the door, your software becomes unmaintainable, so it is quite possible that C is fundamentally unsuitable for this type of work, but the problem is that it is the industry standard. Its probably the only language the Processor manufacturer, NEC (now Renesas) supports.