I really don't understand why Linus didn't take this approach*. He could have merged SD with the stipulation that he'd rip it out if he ever wanted to. I'm sure this would have kept Con around, instead of chasing off an important resource to the kernel's development.
Of course, I get the distinct impression that Linus' impression of Con is not nearly as favorable as others'. I wonder why that is...
Aren't there supposed to be a few dogs that have been trained to smell the difference between healthy tissue and cancerous tissue? Or was that a bust? Or am I making it up?
Not that a dog can communicate the olfactory properties of tumors to us.
The story and the discussion should be about how the kernel devs traded for some code by using, abusing, and discarding a long-term asset.
If the atmosphere of Linux kernel development will exclude all but the most hardened individuals, then the kernel will die from cruft of ideas.
Or so I perceive. The point is that we shouldn't be talking about the software---we have ample opportunity to do that---but rather about the development process. It works in the short term, but is not caring one bit about the individuals as anything more than coding and debugging machines harmful for the future prosperity of the kernel and of the software ecosphere around it? And if so, is that acceptable to the community?
(Yes, I know this is flamebait. I needed to say it.)
There has always been more potential for good story coming from the SatAM/Archie line, precisely because stories are what it was created for.
It also depends on how much juvenileness BioWare is willing to give up. Sega has always tried to become more sophisticated without trying to grow up, and one only need look at the 3D games to see this. The other line has always had an adult feel to it. All it needs is some elimination of some extraneous deus ex machina.
While I think that the "loss of life, etc." part is a bit overboard, since nobody builds a mission-critical system on top of Excel (or do they...), I do think that the criticism is appropriate.
Anybody keeping a comprehensive and up-to-date list (or list of lists) of specific things that are wrong with OOXML? I see a bunch of scattered ones here and there. Of course, I've also wished there were a comprehensive list of specific "bad" things that MS has done; it would make demonstration of their unscrupulousness that much easier.
I don't see how And definitely a watertight room for all the fancy toys you plan to buy. would be considered a flame. Especially considering the question asked, location and what the op purposes. He is going into an area devastated by a flood that will likely happen again and buying a house shell that was destroyed during the last flood and wanting to tech it out. It just isn't cost effective. It's easier, I would think, to unplug the most expensive equipment and evacuate with it than it is to try to waterproof a room from all sides. I suppose this could be wrongly interpreted as a flame.
Also, we probably disagree as to the future likelyhood over time and severity of flooding, and there's no way anybody's going to budge except to let the future play out.
Maybe people are just still too sensitive about that area. It could be because the local governments have failed to provide any substantial guidance in the rebuilding and matters or it could be because of a number of reasons. But there comes a time when people just need to get over it. Katrina was bad, while the response to it made it worse (especially in some areas), if we remain to be this sensitive nothing will ever happen to mitigate the loss of life or property in the future. If there's one thing that government is good at, it's at making sure that a mode of major failure doesn't happen twice in a row. That's not saying much, but I do expect that evacuation of those unable to do so on their own will be much more smooth for the next storm.
As for risk mitigation, we're taking care of it. It may not look like it, but that's because it won't show until the next storm. All anyone sees is fighting between and within the various levels of government, but things actually happen when nobody else bothers to look.
So this convesation would require a small library of books to cover all the relevant and critical issues properly, some of which include;
You really wanna play this game? OK, then, we'll play this game.
Are you really comfortable being part of a process which uses disaster, criminal neglect, and the mass displacement of tens of thousands of American citizen as a means of urban renewal?
You make it sound as though we intentionally asked for the hurricane and resulting diaspora to happen; do you really want to make that allegation? As for what you mean by "criminal neglect", you'd have to be more specific; that can refer to many things.
Who are you expecting to save your behind when you and your neighbors are doing the backstroke in your living rooms (FEMA has already demonstrated a poor track record here)?
This is a person of means. He can evacuate on his own. The people who did not evacuate were the people who did not have the means to evacuate and the people who chose not to evacuate.
The land you are building on is either below sea level, or with rising ocean levels (i.e. global warming), increased storm severity (again global warming), and ongoing distruction of the Mississippi delta, will very soon be. How will you protect yourself longterm from an unplanned aquatic life?
Nearly every city on the coast is going to get fucked over by global warming, and we're working on coastal restoration. We'll undo mistakes that were made by closing MR-GO, allowing the Mississippi to resume properly depositing its sediment so that it forms new wetlands, not letting storm surge enter the outfall canals so that the floodwalls (the weakest, and only, failing part of the system) are not subject to the stresses they were during the storm. Then we'll build flood protection higher as necessary.
Have you had your land checked for chemical and biological contamination... (benzene, dioxin, stachybotrys, and coliform bacteria make for lousy neighbors)?
With the severe social impact in the more devasted areas of New Orleans, crime is off the chart. Does pimping out your crib include bullet proofing, and having a secure entry and exit to avoid increasing random street violence?
The vast majority of murders happen with a very specific combination of location, demographics, and motive. The submitter, if his information on his web site is accurate, is a black man, but I should hope that he does not involve himself with the drug trade and does not live near any of the Projects or in Central City.
How high is the water table? Is it higher than your kitchen table?
DIAF.
Are you going to provide a high, dry, easily accessible place for storing emergency supplies, meds, fuel, power sources, first aid, communication, transportation (raft(s), bikes, whatever), tools, direct access to roofs and high platforms (many of the people who died in New Orleans, died in their atics, trapped by the flood.)
This has been addressed; the submitter most likely would evacuate.
What kind of home will you design that can survive a class 5 huricane, tornadoes, flood, and armed neighbors who didn't prepare for devastation, but survive after the initial onslaught?
You know, it's not like we live in shanties here. The homes can survive category 5 storms as well as the next place. So is anybody allowed to live within 50 miles of the coast because of wind? (Flood water doesn't cause the kind of damage wind does unless you have nothing to dissipate the energy.)
I know these topics are not fun, in fact they're serio
Heh, you just hit someone with a sore spot for the situation. Other mods and meta will take care of it. "Take care of it." As if he's automatically right...
But on a serious note, something more important then waterproofing might be security. There are still a lot of people without down there. And stocking a home like a future model space ship or something will create jealousy and resentment. Not to mention when someone still can't find a job and decides your million dollar equipment investment looks more appealing at a pawnshop for $25 bucks to feed or clothe the family another couple days, your going to end up missing some equipment. Iron security bars on every first-floor window. All of a sudden, your house doesn't look like such an attractive target anymore.
I would say that even during the May flood of 1992, only perhaps 25% of houses got ANY water in them, and it was more like inches to a foot. Don't you mean "1995"?
If you're planning on owning a home in New Orleans, you need to PLAN on having to gut & clean the first floor once every 10 years after it floods. It is much like living in Southern Florida where you just plan on getting a new roof after each hurricane season..:) Bullshit.
The following hydrological events caused significant property damage to the city of New Orleans:
Sauvé's Crevasse, 1849 Hurricane Betsy, 1965 (Note: flooding in the city proper occurred only in the most eastern parts of the city.) May 8, 1995 Flood (up to 20 inches of rainfall within 12 hours) Hurricane Katrina, 2005
There have been other flooding events, both back-door storm surge and flash floods (there usually is a minor one every year in early May---just don't be an idiot who drives through any underpasses, do drive slowly through standing water if at all, and do park your car on the neutral ground, and you'll be fine), but none have been so exceptional from typical tropical systems and minor floods.
As far as frequency of hurricane strikes, there are lots of (populated) places in Florida that get hit far more often than we do.
We found out the hard way that the water doesn't come in through the walls and windows, it percolates up through the concrete slab itself! No true New Orleans house is slab-on-grade. That method of construction is an abomination, a product of trying to bring mass-market architecture from suburbia to here.
And if your brother-in-law lived in the Garden District, then he didn't flood. Now, water damage as a result of roof damage is another story.
Reinforce the room with all of the valuable equipment against impact from debris (if and where applicable) and water from roof failure. Storm shutters are a given.
If it's a weak storm, chances are the storm won't do shit. Hell, it's probably a good occasion for a hurricane party.:P (Mmm... talk about flamebait...)
If it's a strong storm, evacuate. If the various agencies have done the smart thing and covered the mouths of all the outfall canals with pumping stations, the weakest points will have been protected without compromising internal pumping efficiency. let's see if anything fails.
Even if there is localized flooding (which, even with the massive pumping system, sudden and intense downpours can cause), any real New Orleans home is built above grade anyway. Not on stilts, mind you, but usually about 3-4 feet above grade; either that, or all the important rooms are on the second floor. I expect that the submitter did not choose something unreasonable by that criterion.
1) We're not on the coast. (Not yet, anyway.) 2) Do you know how many design failures it took to cause the engineering disaster of epic proportions, for which if even one had been rectified beforehand, the scale of the devastation would have been substantially less? Offhand, I can think of two factors each for two different areas. 3) Read the submitter's info from his site. He's quite entrenched here. He's used to playing Louisiana politics by now.
If you were to have looked at the submitter's info on his web site, and if you knew the demographics of the area, you would have seen that he definitely doesn't come from that deep in Da Parish.
Nobody said anybody has to agree to the covenant in Exhibit D. It simply states the asphyxiating conditions under which MS promises not to sue individuals for patent infringement---conditions which may be unconditionally changed by MS. But clearly, MS has now promised not to sue individuals.;)
What, that the terms of the GPL are too burdensome to follow for companies looking to turn absolute maximum profit?
Boo-fucking-hoo. The GPL makes you give up some short-term assets for long-term viability (for everyone, including whatever particular company itself). If you don't want to make that decision, use somebody else's software.
Also don't even start looking at the numbers for Xorg, they are down right horrible lies. The reason is because, 1.) Xorg maps your video memory into itself, which artificially raises its memory consumption, and 2.) Applications can store lots of stuff (i.e. pixmaps) inside of Xorg's memory space (Firefox does this extensively). See xrestop.
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I really don't understand why Linus didn't take this approach*. He could have merged SD with the stipulation that he'd rip it out if he ever wanted to. I'm sure this would have kept Con around, instead of chasing off an important resource to the kernel's development.
Of course, I get the distinct impression that Linus' impression of Con is not nearly as favorable as others'. I wonder why that is...
* I mean, I know why he didn't, but...
Aren't there supposed to be a few dogs that have been trained to smell the difference between healthy tissue and cancerous tissue? Or was that a bust? Or am I making it up?
Not that a dog can communicate the olfactory properties of tumors to us.
The story and the discussion should be about how the kernel devs traded for some code by using, abusing, and discarding a long-term asset.
If the atmosphere of Linux kernel development will exclude all but the most hardened individuals, then the kernel will die from cruft of ideas.
Or so I perceive. The point is that we shouldn't be talking about the software---we have ample opportunity to do that---but rather about the development process. It works in the short term, but is not caring one bit about the individuals as anything more than coding and debugging machines harmful for the future prosperity of the kernel and of the software ecosphere around it? And if so, is that acceptable to the community?
(Yes, I know this is flamebait. I needed to say it.)
lol
There has always been more potential for good story coming from the SatAM/Archie line, precisely because stories are what it was created for.
It also depends on how much juvenileness BioWare is willing to give up. Sega has always tried to become more sophisticated without trying to grow up, and one only need look at the 3D games to see this. The other line has always had an adult feel to it. All it needs is some elimination of some extraneous deus ex machina.
That was a tirade?
I think that information is quite outdated. Here is ODF 1.2 draft 3, in full, current as of 2007-05-14 (note: big document).
While I think that the "loss of life, etc." part is a bit overboard, since nobody builds a mission-critical system on top of Excel (or do they...), I do think that the criticism is appropriate.
Anybody keeping a comprehensive and up-to-date list (or list of lists) of specific things that are wrong with OOXML? I see a bunch of scattered ones here and there. Of course, I've also wished there were a comprehensive list of specific "bad" things that MS has done; it would make demonstration of their unscrupulousness that much easier.
I have work to do tonight! Don't make me choose between that and upgrading to 12.0!
Interval estimates and press releases don't mix.
Somebody is missing the point of the point estimate.
Also, we probably disagree as to the future likelyhood over time and severity of flooding, and there's no way anybody's going to budge except to let the future play out. Maybe people are just still too sensitive about that area. It could be because the local governments have failed to provide any substantial guidance in the rebuilding and matters or it could be because of a number of reasons. But there comes a time when people just need to get over it. Katrina was bad, while the response to it made it worse (especially in some areas), if we remain to be this sensitive nothing will ever happen to mitigate the loss of life or property in the future. If there's one thing that government is good at, it's at making sure that a mode of major failure doesn't happen twice in a row. That's not saying much, but I do expect that evacuation of those unable to do so on their own will be much more smooth for the next storm.
As for risk mitigation, we're taking care of it. It may not look like it, but that's because it won't show until the next storm. All anyone sees is fighting between and within the various levels of government, but things actually happen when nobody else bothers to look.
Correct, it was not a troll; it was flamebait. Then again, so is a bunch of these posts, probably including a few of mine.
The submitter would have gotten a much more direct answers if he had kept it location-neutral.
So this convesation would require a small library of books to cover all the relevant and critical issues properly, some of which include;
You really wanna play this game? OK, then, we'll play this game.
You make it sound as though we intentionally asked for the hurricane and resulting diaspora to happen; do you really want to make that allegation? As for what you mean by "criminal neglect", you'd have to be more specific; that can refer to many things.
This is a person of means. He can evacuate on his own. The people who did not evacuate were the people who did not have the means to evacuate and the people who chose not to evacuate.
Nearly every city on the coast is going to get fucked over by global warming, and we're working on coastal restoration. We'll undo mistakes that were made by closing MR-GO, allowing the Mississippi to resume properly depositing its sediment so that it forms new wetlands, not letting storm surge enter the outfall canals so that the floodwalls (the weakest, and only, failing part of the system) are not subject to the stresses they were during the storm. Then we'll build flood protection higher as necessary.
Did you read any of the reports?
The vast majority of murders happen with a very specific combination of location, demographics, and motive. The submitter, if his information on his web site is accurate, is a black man, but I should hope that he does not involve himself with the drug trade and does not live near any of the Projects or in Central City.
DIAF.
This has been addressed; the submitter most likely would evacuate.
You know, it's not like we live in shanties here. The homes can survive category 5 storms as well as the next place. So is anybody allowed to live within 50 miles of the coast because of wind? (Flood water doesn't cause the kind of damage wind does unless you have nothing to dissipate the energy.)
I know these topics are not fun, in fact they're serio
It's not cost effective or even effective. A better use of money is to prevent storm surge from entering the outfall canals in the first place.
The following hydrological events caused significant property damage to the city of New Orleans:
Sauvé's Crevasse, 1849
Hurricane Betsy, 1965 (Note: flooding in the city proper occurred only in the most eastern parts of the city.)
May 8, 1995 Flood (up to 20 inches of rainfall within 12 hours)
Hurricane Katrina, 2005
There have been other flooding events, both back-door storm surge and flash floods (there usually is a minor one every year in early May---just don't be an idiot who drives through any underpasses, do drive slowly through standing water if at all, and do park your car on the neutral ground, and you'll be fine), but none have been so exceptional from typical tropical systems and minor floods.
As far as frequency of hurricane strikes, there are lots of (populated) places in Florida that get hit far more often than we do. We found out the hard way that the water doesn't come in through the walls and windows, it percolates up through the concrete slab itself! No true New Orleans house is slab-on-grade. That method of construction is an abomination, a product of trying to bring mass-market architecture from suburbia to here.
And if your brother-in-law lived in the Garden District, then he didn't flood. Now, water damage as a result of roof damage is another story.
This garbage is insightful?
:P (Mmm... talk about flamebait...)
Reinforce the room with all of the valuable equipment against impact from debris (if and where applicable) and water from roof failure. Storm shutters are a given.
If it's a weak storm, chances are the storm won't do shit. Hell, it's probably a good occasion for a hurricane party.
If it's a strong storm, evacuate. If the various agencies have done the smart thing and covered the mouths of all the outfall canals with pumping stations, the weakest points will have been protected without compromising internal pumping efficiency. let's see if anything fails.
Even if there is localized flooding (which, even with the massive pumping system, sudden and intense downpours can cause), any real New Orleans home is built above grade anyway. Not on stilts, mind you, but usually about 3-4 feet above grade; either that, or all the important rooms are on the second floor. I expect that the submitter did not choose something unreasonable by that criterion.
1) We're not on the coast. (Not yet, anyway.)
2) Do you know how many design failures it took to cause the engineering disaster of epic proportions, for which if even one had been rectified beforehand, the scale of the devastation would have been substantially less? Offhand, I can think of two factors each for two different areas.
3) Read the submitter's info from his site. He's quite entrenched here. He's used to playing Louisiana politics by now.
Referring to this?
If you were to have looked at the submitter's info on his web site, and if you knew the demographics of the area, you would have seen that he definitely doesn't come from that deep in Da Parish.
Or they could, you know, use a BSD.
Nobody said anybody has to agree to the covenant in Exhibit D. It simply states the asphyxiating conditions under which MS promises not to sue individuals for patent infringement---conditions which may be unconditionally changed by MS. But clearly, MS has now promised not to sue individuals. ;)
What, that the terms of the GPL are too burdensome to follow for companies looking to turn absolute maximum profit?
Boo-fucking-hoo. The GPL makes you give up some short-term assets for long-term viability (for everyone, including whatever particular company itself). If you don't want to make that decision, use somebody else's software.