Whoa, a typo and you jump on it? A grammar Nazi. I admit it can be misleading though.
If you read the FAQ, you could not have possibly come to that conclusion. But trolls don't read links they are provided with, and you are a troll.
Nothing in the FAQ indicates I am wrong. And you still responds, so I am right.
So, you couldn't actually bother clicking on the links provided to you. Rather typical troll behavior, really.
I read them (which I shouldn't, because nothing has changed), you are wrong.
Of which four have been moderated down and zero have been moderated up. Hence this month roughly 20% of your comments are being down moderated. Those are not statistics to be proud of.
No, 20% of your comments being down moderated is generally abysmal.
20% is majority? Maybe 80% would have been absymal.
Wow, paranoid are you? You really think I am behind the accurate moderation of your trolling comments?
Did I accuse you of moderating here? I think I don't.
Indeed I should stop replying but you seem to be coming unraveled, which well practiced trolls won't allow themselves to do. I am enjoying watching you decompose in front of me.
Scram, troll. You're not even an effective or well-composed troll. You waste time but you fail to enrage. You think you're pulling off a good trolling job but more people are laughing at you than with you.
So,please reply then to this post. I am not trolling when I say GM unions caused their downfall.
The fact that you haven't answered any of my questions about why GM unions get paid first (no you haven't described this). You didn't explain the 24 billion bailout for USPS and 12 billion Treasury credit limits granted by Congress to USPS in 2006, which if not granted,would have already bankrupted USPS. And of course the silly money granted to USPS unions even when their financials in dire straits.
You think USPS is good health? They are going the way of GM soon,unless drastic measures are taken. The management knows what to do (things like privatizing post offices), but the unions (with their job security clause) prevented it.
Nahh...you won't be able to explain those things, and still said unions doesn't cause bankruptcies.
No. You can say you signed up for that account before I signed up for this account. But that says nothing about who was reading or posting here first.
That's correct. But at least I stopped being Anonymous Coward first than you.
So then you admit that you lied when you said you could meta moderate a particular part of slashdot. Thank you for helping to clear that up.
Since when I say that you can meta-moderate any particular posting huh? Please provide a direct citation of my post saying that.
No, you're wrong. Meta moderation is broken, period. If you are completely clueless as to what it is supposed to do, I encourage you to read the FAQ and you will see that it is most definitely not doing what it is supposed to do.
It didn't, period.
If that is the case, and they instead shared yours, then why is it you have four comments moderated down in here and zero moderated up?
In other words, your comments are mostly being ignored. Those that are getting attention are being properly moderated - as troll and flamebait.
My e-mails says that I have 1 insightful upvote and 2 troll downvotes. So you are wrong. And considering that I have posted here a lot, my general karma related to this thread is positive.
I know, trolls don't often go back to review their own work, but I'll offer it up for you anyways:
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Nahh..I will get any e-mail whenever I get voted on, negatively or positively, so I know where I stand. Considering the number of posts I have here, I have positive karma generally.
Hmm. Your statistics in this thread aren't looking good. Three troll mods, one flamebait, and zero positive of any sort. There is at least one person besides me who agrees that you are trolling here. And being as you meet the slashdot definition of troll (which I provided previously) there is plenty of reason for others to agree as well, although on your benefit they likely won't read your posts or see them worthy of moderation.
I have posted more than 20 posts here in this thread. Assuming that your numbers is correct, plus the fact that I don't post as AC, my numbers is going to be excellent unless you can get more people with mods point to actually downvote my posts in this thread more. Karma in meta-moderation can be a bitch though, but a quick check at the front page shows that I am still in the clear.
You can troll all you want. But spread truth you have not done, as you have just been trolling instead. You aren't very good, or even the least bit enraging. You are just a marginally competent troll.
There is this Internet saying: "Don't feed the troll".
Hohohoho.... the fact that you replied says that I am not a troll. Statistic also backed my up. So I really really hope you reply to this post after this.
GM unions are greedy. They played big parts in causing GM demise. Not stopping at that, the unions makes GM pay them first before creditors/bondholders (you still haven't addressed this yet).
I guess I errantly expected you were smart enough to realize that people can read and post here without UIDs, for as long as they wish. It is perfectly reasonable to read and post here arbitrarily long with no UID if you so desire, although I expect you will try to deny that as well.
Of course you can do so,as an AC. But when comparing our IDs, it it obvious I am here before you do.
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Meta-moderation is not something that you opt to do in a particular part of slashdot, nor has it ever been that way. If you click the meta-moderation link, you would know that you are given 10 random comments to meta-moderate.
You can opt to do meta-moderation whenever you like it. AllI have to do is to bring up http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl and I can meta-moderate away. The posts are random of course.
No, that is not applying the same concept at all. Nice try though, troll.
Allow me to reiterate. Meta-moderation is broken. This has been known and documented for some time. It has several substantial errors that you could easily see if you went to the meta-moderation page, and several more that you would realize if you went to it, and then read the slashdot FAQ on meta-moderation.
Meta-moderation works, it is just that how you understand how it works is faulty. More below.
Not if very few people consider this thread to be worth moderating.
Or as an alternative viewpoint, because those people doesn't share your sentiments?
That is an article from 2005 that you cited. Very little of the code that runs this site currently has roots from 2005 or earlier.
The algorithm is still the same, since the last major upheaval in 2002.
And clearly, I am not the only one who sees that you are trolling here, as you have four comments in this thread currently moderated down - three as "troll" and one as "flamebait".
From my records, I only has two. Yet I have posted more than that, so why not all of them marked as such?
You really don't have any idea what meta-moderation is supposed to do, do you?
but will affect the karma of the poster.
Actually, regular moderation is supposed to do that...
Regular moderation affects a post scoring and also a user karma. Meta-moderation affects only karma. So, if I get many +5 rated posts, but was buried in meta-moderation, my karma will be negative, my posts will start at -1 (even when logged in) and I will not be able to disable advertising.
Now scram, troll. You have given us enough examples of trolling slashdot for this week.
Statistic doesn't lie. And if you really think I am a troll (statistic shows otherwise), are you supposed to feed me? Oh no, you replied because you don't want me to spread the truth about how greedy GM unions can be. So greedy, even USPS unions cannot compete with them. And USPS unions are the biggest in US, and even have absolute job security. Go look across the Internet, many people shared the same sentiments as me.
I'm not sure if you could come up with a more ridiculous question if you tried...
Mainly because you imply that I am incorrect when I am saying USPS unions comes after the organization founding.
Wrong. Simply wrong. The USPS actually showed gains after the establishment of the unions. USPS started shrinking much, much later.
True only after the wars. Not during other times. Even between WWI-WWII USPS doesn't really do well.
Wow, you take part of a statement, and then make your own absurd statement from it. I would say it is a surprise, but no, it's just you trolling. Unless you believe that it is impossible to read and post to slashdot without a UID.
I can see the UIDs well. From the UIDs, it is easily seen that I am here first way before you do. Slashdot doesn't recycle inactive UIDs. That's why I call bullshit on you.
No, it doesn't work. Many more people agree that it is broken than agree that it works. Have you even tried to meta moderate, ever? If you would have tried it years ago, you would know how it was supposed to work. If you then subsequently tried it more recently you would see how badly it does not work. There are so many problems with it now that the only way you could possibly claim it to work is is you have never tried it, or had no idea whatsoever of what it is supposed to accomplish. What it attempts to do right now doesn't even live up to the name.
I have meta-moderated wherever I liked it, and it works just fine. If you want to believe what a lot of people told you, then fine.
If I were to apply the same concept as you, then many people who commented on news about the Apple union like the one at http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20070919-248/meet-the-man-who-wants-an-apple-retail-union/ also commented about how evil unions can be, with some even trotting the same GM example. Because people says so, then unions is truly evil as those people says there (and here).
I have already explained how your karma is not related to your trolling. Besides you've posted too much jibberish to this thread to catch the attention of the main source of moderation here, and you've trolled so far deep into discussions that the odds of being moderated is damned near zero.
Statistic doesn't lie. BTW, this thread has nearly 1000 comments, which indicates that many people actually read it. Surely I will have low karma by now if people did consider I am a troll.
If you think the moderation system itself to be without flaws then you aren't paying attention to that, either.
But then again we all know you are a troll.
It isn't perfect, especially in cold articles, but it do work - http://jcmc.indiana.edu/vol10/issue2/poor.html#methods. Calling me a troll isn't going to work. Whether someone is a troll or not, statistic can easily proved it to be true or not. Remember, meta-moderation doesn't affect the score of a post, but will affect the karma of the poster.
But one of the biggest reforms Thatcher has done is to allow organization to actually fire workers if reasons justify it. Isn't that what happened, that when BA strikes due to the removal of discounted ticket prices for employees, that BA wants to use that option? BA unions doesn't get to have the discounted ticket prices right?
As a matter of fact, you did. By virtue of the fact that I was asking for an example of a company that meets those criteria, which you tried - and dramatically failed - to meet with these two very inaccurate answers.
You now finally admit that you were wrong to claim that label for those two companies.
So you now resorts to misquoting me huh? So you think USPS is a wrong answer? Did USPS was born with a twin union in tow? The unions comes later, and they are the primary reason why it has to endure losses. Of course, there are other reason too, but not as big as the unions are. Unions are cancer in both USPS can GM cases. Pretending that it isn't is just folly. The fact that no other people tried to prove me wrong, the so-called troll, sometimes make me wonder. Remember, this topic has high message count comment.
You cannot prove that solely with your UID. If you were more than just a petty troll you would know that.
So those with lower UID# must have registered later than me. Sure makes you go hmm....
Oh wait, that's isn't how Slashdot works.
If you were paying attention you would know that meta-moderation does not work. It has been broken for years, and slashdot is making no real effort to fix it.
I am paying attention on how meta-moderation works, after all, I am here before GNAA is cool and shit like that. That shit works and there are papers out there referencing the system.
That is not true. There are users who have been here less than a year who have been allowed to disable advertising.
So you did realize that people can actually disable advertising. So you did know that people with negative karma doesn't get any.Remember, my initial posts in Slashdot is +1, which mean my karma is good.
Wrong again. I do believe facts, you just haven't provided any. You have instead just been trolling.
My karma grade indicates otherwise. How many of posts in this thread are marked as one? Don't tell me that you want to accuse that the normal moderation system is also broken?
The only person who have explained it to me says that GM filed for bankruptcy because GM wants to violate their agreements with the creditors. And whoever tghat person is, the person agrees that GM should not be bailed out. For me, this simply shows that the clout of GM unions is strong as ever.
So now you admit that indeed the USPS is not an example of a company that was doing well, then met a union and promptly decayed as a result? Thank you for admitting to being wrong, that is unusual for a troll to do.
Did I say that? USPS decayed mainly because of their unions (you did know that USPS cannot fire any single member of the the unions right). Mismanagement contribute far too little to its demise. Even UPS and Fedex has more impact to USPS than mismanagement is.
If you think metamoderation works, you are either new, or an idiot. Of course as seldom as you show up around here you might not be aware of just how broken that system is.
Hahahaha... I'm a member of Slashdot far earlier than you, you don't think I don't know how meta-moderation works? I visit this site at least once every two days, it is just I don't really post unless I find naive people who thinks that unions are good like you.
I see no reason to believe that, given your track record for making shit up. Can you provide a source to back up that assertion, or are you just saying it because you want it to be true?
That's a common knowledge for any members who have been here for years (must be members for X years, and karma must be Good or higher). Oh wait, you tend not to believe facts.
You haven't explained it to me how GM unions members was paid first before creditors and shareholders. Never have. Can you quote to me where you have posted it?
And I'm pretty damn sure you haven't addressed my USPS example of being an organization ruined mainly by unions (and mismanagement too of course, but as a secondary factor) instead of e-mail and UPS/Fedex.
There are plenty of trolls with good karma, they just do a decent job of avoiding detection and moderation. You need to have a fair number of comments moderated down to achieve poor karma, and as you are not a very good troll, you don't get your trolling comments read enough for that to happen.
The meta-moderation system will take care of that. If I am trolling a lot as you implied,I will be caught for sure.
Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Turning of advertising doesn't mean shit. You can probably have bad karma and still be allowed to turn of advertising.
Those with bad karma cannot turn off advertising, unless you are a subscriber. Which I am not.
Hahaha... then please explain why USPS has to ask Congress to keep it afloat. Hint: e-mail isn't to blame, and neither the new companies like UPS or Fedex.
Your refusal to explain why GM unions get paid first before creditors doesn't help matters.
Don't bother calling me a troll, a simple visit to the homepage will tell me that my karma is good. I am even allowed to turn off advertising for free.
Making shit up? Hahaha, cannot accept the fact that unions can destroy an organization huh? Oh well, you the outsider are just making shit up too if you want to accuse me to do so.
1. GM unions doesn't have decreasing clout: Proof: GM union members get paid first instead of creditors/bondholders during the bail-out. UNPRECEDENTED. You didn't even try to dispute this fact. 2. USPS problems has nothing to do with increasing e-mail usage, but more to do with the decrease of commercial correspondence, unions, and UPS/Fedex. E-mail doesn't kill USPS. 3. USPS has a reprieve from Congress just to stay alive, in exchange for reforms. The fact you didn't know this shows you are out of the loop. I will not be surprised if you are below 30 years in age.
- You say USPS is alive, I say USPSis already dead if not for a decree by Congress in 2006. A review will come up this year, and that's the reason why APWU is willing to take a hit in their new collective agreement earlier this year. Do you know Republicans won the House in 2010?
- E-mail doesn't kill off USPS, and neither UPS or Fedex do (those companies are new). These three things are not there when USPS started their long decline. The unions like NALC are there though, so it makes you go hmmm....
- You say GM unions has decreasing clout over the years, but yet when the bankruptcy proceedings went ahead, they get paid first before creditors, bondholders and shareholders (illegal in SEC eyes). My connection at AT&T union went 'WTF, how on earth did they do that' to me. Decreasing clout you say?
USPS is already bankrupt in 2006 if Congress doesn't give them a reprieve (with the usual promise of reorganization of course), don't tell me you did not know that? If you don't then you are truly clueless about the industry. Oh wait, you say because USPS doesn't make money off e-mail that replaced snail-mail correspondence, e-mail is killing USPS hahahahaha.
Good job disqualifying yourself with a double negative there. Your troll level of reading (mis)comprehension prevents you from realizing the obvious here. I won't bother pointing it out to you, since it won't make sense to you anyways.
My God, I purportedly type that in purpose and you are jumping on that too? So,you are grammar Nazi too?
You are the one who spout of nonsense like saying unions doesn't kill off organization. You want an example, I present you USPS. Then you try to shift the blame on e-mail instead of the likes of NALC (the oldest union in USPS BTW).
Your quote:-
And perhaps you've heard of this new method of sending personal correspondence (mail) electronically? what is it called again... oh, yeah, E-MAIL. The post office doesn't make much money off of email, as far as I know. And strangely enough, the union doesn't have an effect on that lack of revenue.
If that doesn't imply you saying that USPS wasn't killed of by e-mail then I don't know what to say. Hint: Throughout its history, USPS never profits on personal correspondence even in snail-mail era.
So, just because I don't participate in discussions for a month, it makes me a troll? What a moronic assertion, just like your other assertion that USPS was killed by e-mail (hint: it doesn't - not by a long shot).
So do you really think e-mail kill USPS? Now that's a downright wrong assertion. And all you can do is calling people troll? For me, those who does that already losing the debate.
You are truly out of the loop if you think e-mail kills USPS. Do you work there before, as I do in the past?
And the fact you think e-mail destroy USPS shows you doesn't even know what USPS main revenue streams is. Did you really work in unionized jobs before, or are you just a keyboard warrior whose source of knowledge is NYT and Wikipedia?
And USPS was founded well before that, and the likes of APWU was founded even far later than that.
The fact you think e-mail is the main reason why USPS revenue plummets shows you don't know anything. It is confirmed that you really are not in the loop.
That's why I mention USPS (remember, they don't have a union at first). Sheesh. USPS would have gone bankrupt in 2005 if Congress doesn't issue a reprieve.
Yet again, USPS unions doesn't learn their lessons.
Whoa that's an insult to Ronald Reagan to call him that. I prefer to call him a right-wing nut that will be at home the UK's Daily Mail, more like it. Reagan doesn't even have the ball she has. Someone like her can either destroy a country or bring to prosperity. Reagan is neither.
If that's the reason why bankruptcy was declared, they shouldn't be bailed out in the first place.
So you say GM unions has less clout than in the past. Please explain to me then, a question I have asked you previously, why is then during the bankruptcy proceedings, the unions are paid first before GM's creditors and bondholders? Thank's God GM was delisted,or else SEC would have gone postal on GM's ass.
In an honest world, the workers will be far behind the queue when it comes to repayment, behind the creditors and bondholders. Yet, the GM unions' that has 'decreasing clouts' as you claimed, managed to get ahead creditors and bondholders in getting payment. You say that they have decreasing clout, so why is then this arrangement that will usually get SEC all over a company be allowed?
I never said that. Not in this thread, not ever. Don't put words into my mouth just because your trolling looks better that way.
So I assume then that unions did have a part at GM's downfall?
Let me quote you:-
I would be interested in seeing an example. I hear people suggest this to have happened, but I have yet to see documented evidence supporting the claim. Many people like to look to the union as an all-purpose boogeyman to blame for all the world's problems, and your statement is a classic example of that.
I will only stop when you stop promoting FUD that saying unions has nothing to do with GM bankruptcy. There is also the lie saying GM unions are weaker now than in the past (hint: it is not). You have no proof for these assertion of yours either, so can I call you a troll?
So your only recourse now is calling troll now? Sorry, but I don't post anonymously, that's simply not my style. I like to make fun of uninformed network-less outsiders like you who think unions are all fine and dandy. How about applying at least for membership of Teamsters and start networking once, huh. Then you will get first-hand info yourself instead of going [citation needed]. I have no patience with the people who think they know-all. And you doesn't know anything, if you don't even know about the NALC deal.
Sheesh, clueless outsiders nowadays, thinking that reading New York Times or watching NPR will give all the information you need. If you are at least a Teamsters members you will finally learn the truth...
Calling people a troll only shows that you are losing. Even more so if the person you call 'troll' will actually reply back without needing to go anonymous. Can you do better than that?
I didn't answer that because if you are in the fold, such information are trivial. It is like asking a nuclear scientist how the fission chain reaction works. If you are well-versed with it, such questions are outright insulting.
You say that unions are all fine and dandy. Then I pointed out that it isn't so, using GM and the recent NALC-USPS deal as a reference. The fact that you don't even know about the latter shows that you are an outsider, who doesn't know anything.
Do you know what NALC is? Or APWU? Or AFL-CIO? Teamsters? Are you a member of the latter two? You have no idea about how destructive the NALC deal is for APWU. The Republicans even called for a hearing right after the APWU signed a contract with USPS, even though their contract is a saner one than what NALC got. In hindsight, Republican winning Congress last year sure accelerates the arbitration process,more in favor for USPS.
An outsider like you, should just shut up, if you are not in the loop. Think all the unions are angels? NOPE! Even the abhorrent NALC is Mother Theresa compared to those bastards at GM unions. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Right here, you said
I have meta-moderated wherever I liked it,
Whoa, a typo and you jump on it? A grammar Nazi. I admit it can be misleading though.
If you read the FAQ, you could not have possibly come to that conclusion. But trolls don't read links they are provided with, and you are a troll.
Nothing in the FAQ indicates I am wrong. And you still responds, so I am right.
So, you couldn't actually bother clicking on the links provided to you. Rather typical troll behavior, really.
I read them (which I shouldn't, because nothing has changed), you are wrong.
Of which four have been moderated down and zero have been moderated up. Hence this month roughly 20% of your comments are being down moderated. Those are not statistics to be proud of.
No, 20% of your comments being down moderated is generally abysmal.
20% is majority? Maybe 80% would have been absymal.
Wow, paranoid are you? You really think I am behind the accurate moderation of your trolling comments?
Did I accuse you of moderating here? I think I don't.
Indeed I should stop replying but you seem to be coming unraveled, which well practiced trolls won't allow themselves to do. I am enjoying watching you decompose in front of me.
Scram, troll. You're not even an effective or well-composed troll. You waste time but you fail to enrage. You think you're pulling off a good trolling job but more people are laughing at you than with you.
So,please reply then to this post. I am not trolling when I say GM unions caused their downfall.
The fact that you haven't answered any of my questions about why GM unions get paid first (no you haven't described this). You didn't explain the 24 billion bailout for USPS and 12 billion Treasury credit limits granted by Congress to USPS in 2006, which if not granted,would have already bankrupted USPS. And of course the silly money granted to USPS unions even when their financials in dire straits.
You think USPS is good health? They are going the way of GM soon,unless drastic measures are taken. The management knows what to do (things like privatizing post offices), but the unions (with their job security clause) prevented it.
Nahh...you won't be able to explain those things, and still said unions doesn't cause bankruptcies.
No. You can say you signed up for that account before I signed up for this account. But that says nothing about who was reading or posting here first.
That's correct. But at least I stopped being Anonymous Coward first than you.
So then you admit that you lied when you said you could meta moderate a particular part of slashdot. Thank you for helping to clear that up.
Since when I say that you can meta-moderate any particular posting huh? Please provide a direct citation of my post saying that.
No, you're wrong. Meta moderation is broken, period. If you are completely clueless as to what it is supposed to do, I encourage you to read the FAQ and you will see that it is most definitely not doing what it is supposed to do.
It didn't, period.
If that is the case, and they instead shared yours, then why is it you have four comments moderated down in here and zero moderated up?
In other words, your comments are mostly being ignored. Those that are getting attention are being properly moderated - as troll and flamebait.
My e-mails says that I have 1 insightful upvote and 2 troll downvotes. So you are wrong. And considering that I have posted here a lot, my general karma related to this thread is positive.
I know, trolls don't often go back to review their own work, but I'll offer it up for you anyways:
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Nahh..I will get any e-mail whenever I get voted on, negatively or positively, so I know where I stand. Considering the number of posts I have here, I have positive karma generally.
Hmm. Your statistics in this thread aren't looking good. Three troll mods, one flamebait, and zero positive of any sort. There is at least one person besides me who agrees that you are trolling here. And being as you meet the slashdot definition of troll (which I provided previously) there is plenty of reason for others to agree as well, although on your benefit they likely won't read your posts or see them worthy of moderation.
I have posted more than 20 posts here in this thread. Assuming that your numbers is correct, plus the fact that I don't post as AC, my numbers is going to be excellent unless you can get more people with mods point to actually downvote my posts in this thread more. Karma in meta-moderation can be a bitch though, but a quick check at the front page shows that I am still in the clear.
You can troll all you want. But spread truth you have not done, as you have just been trolling instead. You aren't very good, or even the least bit enraging. You are just a marginally competent troll.
There is this Internet saying: "Don't feed the troll".
Hohohoho.... the fact that you replied says that I am not a troll. Statistic also backed my up. So I really really hope you reply to this post after this.
GM unions are greedy. They played big parts in causing GM demise. Not stopping at that, the unions makes GM pay them first before creditors/bondholders (you still haven't addressed this yet).
I guess I errantly expected you were smart enough to realize that people can read and post here without UIDs, for as long as they wish. It is perfectly reasonable to read and post here arbitrarily long with no UID if you so desire, although I expect you will try to deny that as well.
Of course you can do so,as an AC. But when comparing our IDs, it it obvious I am here before you do.
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Meta-moderation is not something that you opt to do in a particular part of slashdot, nor has it ever been that way. If you click the meta-moderation link, you would know that you are given 10 random comments to meta-moderate.
You can opt to do meta-moderation whenever you like it. AllI have to do is to bring up http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl and I can meta-moderate away. The posts are random of course.
No, that is not applying the same concept at all. Nice try though, troll.
Allow me to reiterate. Meta-moderation is broken. This has been known and documented for some time. It has several substantial errors that you could easily see if you went to the meta-moderation page, and several more that you would realize if you went to it, and then read the slashdot FAQ on meta-moderation.
Meta-moderation works, it is just that how you understand how it works is faulty. More below.
Not if very few people consider this thread to be worth moderating.
Or as an alternative viewpoint, because those people doesn't share your sentiments?
That is an article from 2005 that you cited. Very little of the code that runs this site currently has roots from 2005 or earlier.
The algorithm is still the same, since the last major upheaval in 2002.
And clearly, I am not the only one who sees that you are trolling here, as you have four comments in this thread currently moderated down - three as "troll" and one as "flamebait".
From my records, I only has two. Yet I have posted more than that, so why not all of them marked as such?
You really don't have any idea what meta-moderation is supposed to do, do you?
but will affect the karma of the poster.
Actually, regular moderation is supposed to do that...
Regular moderation affects a post scoring and also a user karma. Meta-moderation affects only karma. So, if I get many +5 rated posts, but was buried in meta-moderation, my karma will be negative, my posts will start at -1 (even when logged in) and I will not be able to disable advertising.
Now scram, troll. You have given us enough examples of trolling slashdot for this week.
Statistic doesn't lie. And if you really think I am a troll (statistic shows otherwise), are you supposed to feed me? Oh no, you replied because you don't want me to spread the truth about how greedy GM unions can be. So greedy, even USPS unions cannot compete with them. And USPS unions are the biggest in US, and even have absolute job security. Go look across the Internet, many people shared the same sentiments as me.
I'm not sure if you could come up with a more ridiculous question if you tried...
Mainly because you imply that I am incorrect when I am saying USPS unions comes after the organization founding.
Wrong. Simply wrong. The USPS actually showed gains after the establishment of the unions. USPS started shrinking much, much later.
True only after the wars. Not during other times. Even between WWI-WWII USPS doesn't really do well.
Wow, you take part of a statement, and then make your own absurd statement from it. I would say it is a surprise, but no, it's just you trolling. Unless you believe that it is impossible to read and post to slashdot without a UID.
I can see the UIDs well. From the UIDs, it is easily seen that I am here first way before you do. Slashdot doesn't recycle inactive UIDs. That's why I call bullshit on you.
No, it doesn't work. Many more people agree that it is broken than agree that it works. Have you even tried to meta moderate, ever? If you would have tried it years ago, you would know how it was supposed to work. If you then subsequently tried it more recently you would see how badly it does not work. There are so many problems with it now that the only way you could possibly claim it to work is is you have never tried it, or had no idea whatsoever of what it is supposed to accomplish. What it attempts to do right now doesn't even live up to the name.
I have meta-moderated wherever I liked it, and it works just fine. If you want to believe what a lot of people told you, then fine.
If I were to apply the same concept as you, then many people who commented on news about the Apple union like the one at http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20070919-248/meet-the-man-who-wants-an-apple-retail-union/ also commented about how evil unions can be, with some even trotting the same GM example. Because people says so, then unions is truly evil as those people says there (and here).
I have already explained how your karma is not related to your trolling. Besides you've posted too much jibberish to this thread to catch the attention of the main source of moderation here, and you've trolled so far deep into discussions that the odds of being moderated is damned near zero.
Statistic doesn't lie. BTW, this thread has nearly 1000 comments, which indicates that many people actually read it. Surely I will have low karma by now if people did consider I am a troll.
If you think the moderation system itself to be without flaws then you aren't paying attention to that, either.
But then again we all know you are a troll.
It isn't perfect, especially in cold articles, but it do work - http://jcmc.indiana.edu/vol10/issue2/poor.html#methods. Calling me a troll isn't going to work. Whether someone is a troll or not, statistic can easily proved it to be true or not. Remember, meta-moderation doesn't affect the score of a post, but will affect the karma of the poster.
But one of the biggest reforms Thatcher has done is to allow organization to actually fire workers if reasons justify it. Isn't that what happened, that when BA strikes due to the removal of discounted ticket prices for employees, that BA wants to use that option? BA unions doesn't get to have the discounted ticket prices right?
As a matter of fact, you did. By virtue of the fact that I was asking for an example of a company that meets those criteria, which you tried - and dramatically failed - to meet with these two very inaccurate answers.
You now finally admit that you were wrong to claim that label for those two companies.
So you now resorts to misquoting me huh? So you think USPS is a wrong answer? Did USPS was born with a twin union in tow? The unions comes later, and they are the primary reason why it has to endure losses. Of course, there are other reason too, but not as big as the unions are. Unions are cancer in both USPS can GM cases. Pretending that it isn't is just folly. The fact that no other people tried to prove me wrong, the so-called troll, sometimes make me wonder. Remember, this topic has high message count comment.
You cannot prove that solely with your UID. If you were more than just a petty troll you would know that.
So those with lower UID# must have registered later than me. Sure makes you go hmm....
Oh wait, that's isn't how Slashdot works.
If you were paying attention you would know that meta-moderation does not work. It has been broken for years, and slashdot is making no real effort to fix it.
I am paying attention on how meta-moderation works, after all, I am here before GNAA is cool and shit like that. That shit works and there are papers out there referencing the system.
That is not true. There are users who have been here less than a year who have been allowed to disable advertising.
So you did realize that people can actually disable advertising. So you did know that people with negative karma doesn't get any.Remember, my initial posts in Slashdot is +1, which mean my karma is good.
Wrong again. I do believe facts, you just haven't provided any. You have instead just been trolling.
My karma grade indicates otherwise. How many of posts in this thread are marked as one? Don't tell me that you want to accuse that the normal moderation system is also broken?
The only person who have explained it to me says that GM filed for bankruptcy because GM wants to violate their agreements with the creditors. And whoever tghat person is, the person agrees that GM should not be bailed out. For me, this simply shows that the clout of GM unions is strong as ever.
So now you admit that indeed the USPS is not an example of a company that was doing well, then met a union and promptly decayed as a result? Thank you for admitting to being wrong, that is unusual for a troll to do.
Did I say that? USPS decayed mainly because of their unions (you did know that USPS cannot fire any single member of the the unions right). Mismanagement contribute far too little to its demise. Even UPS and Fedex has more impact to USPS than mismanagement is.
If you think metamoderation works, you are either new, or an idiot. Of course as seldom as you show up around here you might not be aware of just how broken that system is.
Hahahaha... I'm a member of Slashdot far earlier than you, you don't think I don't know how meta-moderation works? I visit this site at least once every two days, it is just I don't really post unless I find naive people who thinks that unions are good like you.
I see no reason to believe that, given your track record for making shit up. Can you provide a source to back up that assertion, or are you just saying it because you want it to be true?
That's a common knowledge for any members who have been here for years (must be members for X years, and karma must be Good or higher). Oh wait, you tend not to believe facts.
You haven't explained it to me how GM unions members was paid first before creditors and shareholders. Never have. Can you quote to me where you have posted it?
And I'm pretty damn sure you haven't addressed my USPS example of being an organization ruined mainly by unions (and mismanagement too of course, but as a secondary factor) instead of e-mail and UPS/Fedex.
There are plenty of trolls with good karma, they just do a decent job of avoiding detection and moderation. You need to have a fair number of comments moderated down to achieve poor karma, and as you are not a very good troll, you don't get your trolling comments read enough for that to happen.
The meta-moderation system will take care of that. If I am trolling a lot as you implied,I will be caught for sure.
Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Turning of advertising doesn't mean shit. You can probably have bad karma and still be allowed to turn of advertising.
Those with bad karma cannot turn off advertising, unless you are a subscriber. Which I am not.
You must be new in Slashdot.
Hahaha... then please explain why USPS has to ask Congress to keep it afloat. Hint: e-mail isn't to blame, and neither the new companies like UPS or Fedex.
Your refusal to explain why GM unions get paid first before creditors doesn't help matters.
Don't bother calling me a troll, a simple visit to the homepage will tell me that my karma is good. I am even allowed to turn off advertising for free.
Making shit up? Hahaha, cannot accept the fact that unions can destroy an organization huh? Oh well, you the outsider are just making shit up too if you want to accuse me to do so.
So you now call as nonsense? Well, power to you. Believe what you want, the facts will not change.
So, I am winning then.
So,the fact on the ground:-
1. GM unions doesn't have decreasing clout: Proof: GM union members get paid first instead of creditors/bondholders during the bail-out. UNPRECEDENTED. You didn't even try to dispute this fact.
2. USPS problems has nothing to do with increasing e-mail usage, but more to do with the decrease of commercial correspondence, unions, and UPS/Fedex. E-mail doesn't kill USPS.
3. USPS has a reprieve from Congress just to stay alive, in exchange for reforms. The fact you didn't know this shows you are out of the loop. I will not be surprised if you are below 30 years in age.
I know I am not wrong:-
- You say USPS is alive, I say USPSis already dead if not for a decree by Congress in 2006. A review will come up this year, and that's the reason why APWU is willing to take a hit in their new collective agreement earlier this year. Do you know Republicans won the House in 2010?
- E-mail doesn't kill off USPS, and neither UPS or Fedex do (those companies are new). These three things are not there when USPS started their long decline. The unions like NALC are there though, so it makes you go hmmm....
- You say GM unions has decreasing clout over the years, but yet when the bankruptcy proceedings went ahead, they get paid first before creditors, bondholders and shareholders (illegal in SEC eyes). My connection at AT&T union went 'WTF, how on earth did they do that' to me. Decreasing clout you say?
USPS is already bankrupt in 2006 if Congress doesn't give them a reprieve (with the usual promise of reorganization of course), don't tell me you did not know that? If you don't then you are truly clueless about the industry. Oh wait, you say because USPS doesn't make money off e-mail that replaced snail-mail correspondence, e-mail is killing USPS hahahahaha.
Good job disqualifying yourself with a double negative there. Your troll level of reading (mis)comprehension prevents you from realizing the obvious here. I won't bother pointing it out to you, since it won't make sense to you anyways.
My God, I purportedly type that in purpose and you are jumping on that too? So,you are grammar Nazi too?
You are the one who spout of nonsense like saying unions doesn't kill off organization. You want an example, I present you USPS. Then you try to shift the blame on e-mail instead of the likes of NALC (the oldest union in USPS BTW).
Your quote:-
And perhaps you've heard of this new method of sending personal correspondence (mail) electronically? what is it called again ... oh, yeah, E-MAIL. The post office doesn't make much money off of email, as far as I know. And strangely enough, the union doesn't have an effect on that lack of revenue.
If that doesn't imply you saying that USPS wasn't killed of by e-mail then I don't know what to say. Hint: Throughout its history, USPS never profits on personal correspondence even in snail-mail era.
So, just because I don't participate in discussions for a month, it makes me a troll? What a moronic assertion, just like your other assertion that USPS was killed by e-mail (hint: it doesn't - not by a long shot).
So do you really think e-mail kill USPS? Now that's a downright wrong assertion. And all you can do is calling people troll? For me, those who does that already losing the debate.
You are truly out of the loop if you think e-mail kills USPS. Do you work there before, as I do in the past?
And the fact you think e-mail destroy USPS shows you doesn't even know what USPS main revenue streams is. Did you really work in unionized jobs before, or are you just a keyboard warrior whose source of knowledge is NYT and Wikipedia?
And USPS was founded well before that, and the likes of APWU was founded even far later than that.
The fact you think e-mail is the main reason why USPS revenue plummets shows you don't know anything. It is confirmed that you really are not in the loop.
That's why I mention USPS (remember, they don't have a union at first). Sheesh. USPS would have gone bankrupt in 2005 if Congress doesn't issue a reprieve.
Yet again, USPS unions doesn't learn their lessons.
Does that example good enough for you?
Whoa that's an insult to Ronald Reagan to call him that. I prefer to call him a right-wing nut that will be at home the UK's Daily Mail, more like it. Reagan doesn't even have the ball she has. Someone like her can either destroy a country or bring to prosperity. Reagan is neither.
If that's the reason why bankruptcy was declared, they shouldn't be bailed out in the first place.
So you say GM unions has less clout than in the past. Please explain to me then, a question I have asked you previously, why is then during the bankruptcy proceedings, the unions are paid first before GM's creditors and bondholders? Thank's God GM was delisted,or else SEC would have gone postal on GM's ass.
In an honest world, the workers will be far behind the queue when it comes to repayment, behind the creditors and bondholders. Yet, the GM unions' that has 'decreasing clouts' as you claimed, managed to get ahead creditors and bondholders in getting payment. You say that they have decreasing clout, so why is then this arrangement that will usually get SEC all over a company be allowed?
I never said that. Not in this thread, not ever. Don't put words into my mouth just because your trolling looks better that way.
So I assume then that unions did have a part at GM's downfall?
Let me quote you:-
I would be interested in seeing an example. I hear people suggest this to have happened, but I have yet to see documented evidence supporting the claim. Many people like to look to the union as an all-purpose boogeyman to blame for all the world's problems, and your statement is a classic example of that.
I will only stop when you stop promoting FUD that saying unions has nothing to do with GM bankruptcy. There is also the lie saying GM unions are weaker now than in the past (hint: it is not). You have no proof for these assertion of yours either, so can I call you a troll?
So your only recourse now is calling troll now? Sorry, but I don't post anonymously, that's simply not my style. I like to make fun of uninformed network-less outsiders like you who think unions are all fine and dandy. How about applying at least for membership of Teamsters and start networking once, huh. Then you will get first-hand info yourself instead of going [citation needed]. I have no patience with the people who think they know-all. And you doesn't know anything, if you don't even know about the NALC deal.
Sheesh, clueless outsiders nowadays, thinking that reading New York Times or watching NPR will give all the information you need. If you are at least a Teamsters members you will finally learn the truth...
Calling people a troll only shows that you are losing. Even more so if the person you call 'troll' will actually reply back without needing to go anonymous. Can you do better than that?
I didn't answer that because if you are in the fold, such information are trivial. It is like asking a nuclear scientist how the fission chain reaction works. If you are well-versed with it, such questions are outright insulting.
You say that unions are all fine and dandy. Then I pointed out that it isn't so, using GM and the recent NALC-USPS deal as a reference. The fact that you don't even know about the latter shows that you are an outsider, who doesn't know anything.
Do you know what NALC is? Or APWU? Or AFL-CIO? Teamsters? Are you a member of the latter two?
You have no idea about how destructive the NALC deal is for APWU. The Republicans even called for a hearing right after the APWU signed a contract with USPS, even though their contract is a saner one than what NALC got. In hindsight, Republican winning Congress last year sure accelerates the arbitration process,more in favor for USPS.
An outsider like you, should just shut up, if you are not in the loop. Think all the unions are angels? NOPE! Even the abhorrent NALC is Mother Theresa compared to those bastards at GM unions. You have no idea what you are talking about.