Well, it appears you have ALREADY gone down, so to speak. I'd like to know whose d*ck at IBM you're sucking- they've got you brainwashed. You're being awfully short sighted. Who do you think buys the majority of products that support IBM economically? Certainly not people in Punjab. You got it, people like you and me- and the companies we work for. Thankfully there are *some* tech/infrastructure companies that seem to "get it" and aren't taking the quickest fix.
See another post I made from not too long ago. my comments...@
Your assertions are totally wrong, sorry.
"....but something that can benefit more people outside of the software development industry"
Yeah, like bartenders for all the drunks and drug dealers for all the people that will be addicted to smack. Have fun in Hyperabad...watch out for those Russells Vipers...one bite will make you bleed out of your ass/eyes/mouth/nose etc..
are you serious? yea I live in yuppieville. well, I guess there goes the tax "cut" I got from Bush a couple of months ago....
I know the booze shop nearest me is open on Sundays, don't know bout the beer distributors....I'm a hard drinkin' woman and the piss water just don't do it for me....;-)
I grew up in DE and loved being so close to Maryland...now theres a REAL state!:o)
Heh.
Like you, I live near a large PA city in a very well-to-do area. Yeah we moved a mere 5 miles down the road back in Feb and were forced to bend over...I mean, we were forced to sign up for Comcast "High Speed" because Verizon didn't offer services in our area. (Don't get me started on Comcast) If not cable, it was either satellite or fiber optic, neither of which were practical. Verizon's service sucked on the whole, no big surprise there.
Here here to your last statement. Yeah PA is befukt! I'm waiting for one of those ever-present retirees to "accidentally" drive their Bonneville into the throngs of yuppies/spoiled teenagers in front of Neiman Marcus at the KOP mall...that is, after they lose control of their car because of the flat tire caused by one of the millions of potholes on the POS that passes for a highway. (the surekill)
How can PA NOT be befukt with two tight assed losers like Specter (the man who got Ira Einhorn out of jail) and Santorum (mister "gay people are abhorrent") in the senate drivers seat? What does that say about the majority of Pennsylvanins? Nothing flattering for sure. For christs sake, its only since Rendell has been in the governors office that I now don't have to drive to NJ to buy booze on Sunday...
There is nothing wrong with the current law, except for the fact that election time is coming up and Mister(s) Conyers and Berman have bent over so far for the entertainment industry so that they can fill their campaign fund coffers. Like many so called "laws" it is industry lobbying that precipitates such action, not an innate interest in doing what is "right".
Unfortunately, many of the people who trade music online are prolly in the 15-40 age bracket, well outside the middle-aged demographic that actually controls the country. They know that many of the people who trade music online are probably computer savvy, inherently irreverant and probably take an antagonistic view of laws in general. You can be sure they want this group suppressed at any cost.
The current US govt. would like to put every intelligent American with a clue in a position where they're so scared to "bend" the rules that they stay neatly in line. This is one of the many laws being formulated to point peoples attention inwards, towards domestic issues and civil liberties and general non-issues (I mean really, how can one equate Murder and Piracy?) while the Bush administration merrily rapes and pillages the world at will in their quest for oil and control. Of course, this is all under the guise of "protecting" us. There is no true justice here. Money = Justice. Today I am a pessimist...
Many people here seem to be forgetting one thing. Nothing is preventing Indian, Chinese, and Russian (etc.) companies from innovating and creating new technologies that will support the technical "genius" being produced by their institutions of higher learning. There is a reason why America has become so "rich" in the past century; the money didn't just drop out if the sky. I don't hear of any revolutionary technical innovations coming from these second and third world societies (please correct me if I am wrong). Why is it that these societies are such a threat to the American IT worker? Because they do not have the infrastructure or support of the governments (financial and otherwise) to allow for and to foster innovation.
Hence "entrepreneurs" (one step away from slave traders) in these countries will take advantage of the skilled labor that is freely available to contract for companies that have grown, prospered, and precipitated innovations under the capitalist American government. The people in these developing nations are only being used as commodities, since they really have no other way to compete.
We in America are in a very tenuous position. Between the greed and lust for oil and the irresponsible behavior of many American corporate executives, we will be lucky if our society lasts another 20-30 years. Personally, having my ancestors come from "off the boat" back at the beginning of the 20th century, it pisses me off that these greedy leeches we call "executives" fail to see that what really has made them wealthy; it is the investment in and contributions to our society and economic infrastructure made by the lowly American worker. Think about it, where do you think these "shareholders" and "executives" come from? Not all of them are derived from the upper class. Many of them are probably one or two generations away from the borderline poverty that was so common not so long ago, and have seemingly forgotten all about strife and struggle. Funny how a BMW and a summer house in the Hamptons will do that to you.
Regarding quality of work...to make the assertion (as I have read here) that as an American IT worker I need to "get used to it" and assume that a lower standard of living is inevitable so that other countries, through fair competition in the labor market, can raise their standard of living to an "acceptable" level is simply ridiculous. I know too many people with these Engineering degrees (American, Indian, Chinese, Russian) who have tons of book knowledge, but very little common sense and creativity. You can teach a monkey to code, but the true value in Engineering (network, software, whatever) is the ability to apply creativity and treat Engineering as an art as well as a science. This is where I believe America shows great strength and an inherent advantage. Our culture is a breeding ground for those who endeavor to break the rules and take risks to achieve their dreams- which in some cases leads to great advances in technology. Culture and environment does make a difference in this case.
Beyond that, American corporations (and shareholders too) DO have an obligation to the people that work for these companies, and should be investing in the people that have gotten them where they are. I doubt many of these executives have studied history, nor do they understand the long term consequences of their decisions; I mean, what's HISTORY got to do with anything? You can't make money off of history. *sarcasm* Can you tell I was a History major?... and self taught in everything else CS related. So much for the stereotypical lazy, complacent American:-)
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Well, it appears you have ALREADY gone down, so to speak. I'd like to know whose d*ck at IBM you're sucking- they've got you brainwashed. You're being awfully short sighted. Who do you think buys the majority of products that support IBM economically? Certainly not people in Punjab. You got it, people like you and me- and the companies we work for. Thankfully there are *some* tech/infrastructure companies that seem to "get it" and aren't taking the quickest fix.
See another post I made from not too long ago.
my comments...@
Your assertions are totally wrong, sorry.
"....but something that can benefit more people outside of the software development industry"
Yeah, like bartenders for all the drunks and drug dealers for all the people that will be addicted to smack. Have fun in Hyperabad...watch out for those Russells Vipers...one bite will make you bleed out of your ass/eyes/mouth/nose etc..
are you serious? yea I live in yuppieville. well, I guess there goes the tax "cut" I got from Bush a couple of months ago.... I know the booze shop nearest me is open on Sundays, don't know bout the beer distributors....I'm a hard drinkin' woman and the piss water just don't do it for me .... ;-)
I grew up in DE and loved being so close to Maryland...now theres a REAL state! :o)
Heh. Like you, I live near a large PA city in a very well-to-do area. Yeah we moved a mere 5 miles down the road back in Feb and were forced to bend over...I mean, we were forced to sign up for Comcast "High Speed" because Verizon didn't offer services in our area. (Don't get me started on Comcast) If not cable, it was either satellite or fiber optic, neither of which were practical. Verizon's service sucked on the whole, no big surprise there. Here here to your last statement. Yeah PA is befukt! I'm waiting for one of those ever-present retirees to "accidentally" drive their Bonneville into the throngs of yuppies/spoiled teenagers in front of Neiman Marcus at the KOP mall...that is, after they lose control of their car because of the flat tire caused by one of the millions of potholes on the POS that passes for a highway. (the surekill) How can PA NOT be befukt with two tight assed losers like Specter (the man who got Ira Einhorn out of jail) and Santorum (mister "gay people are abhorrent") in the senate drivers seat? What does that say about the majority of Pennsylvanins? Nothing flattering for sure. For christs sake, its only since Rendell has been in the governors office that I now don't have to drive to NJ to buy booze on Sunday...
Unfortunately, many of the people who trade music online are prolly in the 15-40 age bracket, well outside the middle-aged demographic that actually controls the country. They know that many of the people who trade music online are probably computer savvy, inherently irreverant and probably take an antagonistic view of laws in general. You can be sure they want this group suppressed at any cost.
The current US govt. would like to put every intelligent American with a clue in a position where they're so scared to "bend" the rules that they stay neatly in line. This is one of the many laws being formulated to point peoples attention inwards, towards domestic issues and civil liberties and general non-issues (I mean really, how can one equate Murder and Piracy?) while the Bush administration merrily rapes and pillages the world at will in their quest for oil and control. Of course, this is all under the guise of "protecting" us. There is no true justice here. Money = Justice. Today I am a pessimist...
Hence "entrepreneurs" (one step away from slave traders) in these countries will take advantage of the skilled labor that is freely available to contract for companies that have grown, prospered, and precipitated innovations under the capitalist American government. The people in these developing nations are only being used as commodities, since they really have no other way to compete.
We in America are in a very tenuous position. Between the greed and lust for oil and the irresponsible behavior of many American corporate executives, we will be lucky if our society lasts another 20-30 years. Personally, having my ancestors come from "off the boat" back at the beginning of the 20th century, it pisses me off that these greedy leeches we call "executives" fail to see that what really has made them wealthy; it is the investment in and contributions to our society and economic infrastructure made by the lowly American worker. Think about it, where do you think these "shareholders" and "executives" come from? Not all of them are derived from the upper class. Many of them are probably one or two generations away from the borderline poverty that was so common not so long ago, and have seemingly forgotten all about strife and struggle. Funny how a BMW and a summer house in the Hamptons will do that to you.
Regarding quality of work...to make the assertion (as I have read here) that as an American IT worker I need to "get used to it" and assume that a lower standard of living is inevitable so that other countries, through fair competition in the labor market, can raise their standard of living to an "acceptable" level is simply ridiculous. I know too many people with these Engineering degrees (American, Indian, Chinese, Russian) who have tons of book knowledge, but very little common sense and creativity. You can teach a monkey to code, but the true value in Engineering (network, software, whatever) is the ability to apply creativity and treat Engineering as an art as well as a science. This is where I believe America shows great strength and an inherent advantage. Our culture is a breeding ground for those who endeavor to break the rules and take risks to achieve their dreams- which in some cases leads to great advances in technology. Culture and environment does make a difference in this case.
Beyond that, American corporations (and shareholders too) DO have an obligation to the people that work for these companies, and should be investing in the people that have gotten them where they are. I doubt many of these executives have studied history, nor do they understand the long term consequences of their decisions; I mean, what's HISTORY got to do with anything? You can't make money off of history. *sarcasm* Can you tell I was a History major? ... and self taught in everything else CS related. So much for the stereotypical lazy, complacent American :-)