I'm seeing a number of Netopia (R-Series) routers completely freaked out by either all the traffic or too much junk (read: any) sent to the "SmartWeb" server. Personally, I always turn off any f***ing web server on my network hardware -- esp. netopias... they tend to crash using the web interface *correctly*.
Promiscuous mode is not "a normal task." The instant that card is put in that mode, the OS *must* inspect every token passing the card before it gets passed on around the ring. Very few cards have the on-board memory to hold more than 2 packets -- this is true of even ethernet cards.
At any rate, you didn't say in your (dated) original post what *you* had begun doing differently over the last week to account for the change in network behavior. I got the impression you upgraded the kernel or something and then things just stopped working totally. Your admins get half the blame as well for not immediately seeking to find out what your machine was doing differently: Ok, this was working, so who changed what?
As I was origianally going to post (but I read the comments first)...
If it worked for three months and then broke, *someone* *changed* *something*. Either you or the admins had to have changed something. Barring an actual hardware fault -- which was ruled out by replacing everything and running a different OS on the offending hardware -- it's gotta be software. So, the question of "what did you change last week" has already been answered.
You caused all this trouble and let Linux take the blame. Shame on you. Linux did only what it was told to do.
On a half-duplex network of hubs, it certainly is true. The (old) Interpath office was living proof -- 10base2 (coax) ethernet. And when the office moved to Spring Forest Rd. it got a little better, but too many things still lived on hubs. I got tired of it and moved my desk (and most the sysadmin "wing") to a switch... atop the mini-fridge at my desk:-)
(Of course, my desk was a mini-server farm anyway.)
This happens with ethernet as well. I've seen this many times over the years (and even within the past month) -- a single machine spewing packets faster than any router can process, a bad port in a switch turning everything in broadcast traffic, trunking misconfigurations spewing uncomprehensible junk to workstations, unstable etherchannel configurations...
... and the fact that very few places still use token-ring technologies. I can count the number of places in NC on one hand (NCDOT and a number of travel agencies.) NCSU used to have token-ring in a few places, but I doubt it's still there -- my config files are from 1993.
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ARIN, please, stop giving Qwest address space for them to waste in this manner. I'd like to see the justification for that.
If his services are not web releated, then what does he care about the "www"? Just direct it to "www.battlebots.com" and be done with it.
i don't see a trademark issue here -- irc bots vs. titanium clad robots fighting in a lexan box. However, I'm certain we don't have the complete and true picture of events. Why did he choose battlebots.org?
And let's not forget Mr. Clegg's little problem with Gateway(tm) over gateway.com. "gateway.com" was Alan's actual revenue generating (read: rent paying) business.
I've refused to do business with Gateway(tm) since then. And I've stopped doing business with NECX Direct now that they are owned by Gateway(tm). (All other online stores pale in comparison, but I refuse to give Gateway(tm) any of my money.)
And if you go to www.battlebots.net you get a domain placeholder page. So, why the hell aren't they suing the people who are unquestionablly cybersquating?
Yes, and in a perfect world, it would be very funny to watch Internic (or whomever) tell BattleBots(tm) to to f*** off: "You are not a non-profit ORGanization. You are a COMercial entity."
I recall a nasty-gram from Internic requiring Interpath to register and use ".com" for all our customers as ".net is for network service providers". You have no idea the hell that created for all the shell users ("mercury.interpath.net" had to become "mercury.interpath.com")... That was many, many years ago.
Now, everyone snarfs up.com,.net,.org,.cc,.to,.info,.biz,.foo, etc. for their desired name as well as every conceivable misspelling and typo they can think of. And then hire lawyers to harass anyone with anything even remotely similar. (we all remember the QVC idiocy?)
Yeah, I did a double take on that one as well. The most powerful cellular phones available are in the 5 to 25 Watt range. They are not the "grains of rice" everyone thinks of as cell phones these days. They are considered "bag phones" and have an impressive range. The 25W versions are usually not portable -- they are built into your car.
My sister has a 5W bag phone -- it's the only thing that will work in Cleveland Co. (NC) as 360 only has (had) one tower just off US74 in the corner of what used to be the Wal-mart parking lot. There's now a tower in Falston (of all the places!) beside the Community Mart at the intersection of NC18 and NC182 ("the stop light")
A JETO rocket is at least sound. A scramjet -- with associated acceleration forces -- would rip the top off the car after torquing the entire frame.
Now, a VW bug lauched from the catapult on an aircraft carrier with two JETOs on the sides and a scramjet welded to a reinforced underbody... Are we talking, new bug or old bug?
I've had a 200 hour (198h, 34m) tivo for almost a year... two 80G maxtors. There's a guy that did the same thing with two 100G drives for a total of 234hrs or something like that. My attention is now on building a tower of firewire drives *grin*
Note: I don't recommend doing that with the tivo versions around now. With 1.3 it's fine, with 2.0+ the tivo never deletes anything until it has to (nobody made the "undelete" menu?) which creates some very expensive calculations everytime it wants to record something. I lose the first 30seconds or so of everything. (And it started stuttering like a mother****** once both drives filled up -- of course, that was during the 2.0 beta so I didn't say that.)
Well, there's stable and then there's stable... 2.4 was, what, over a year past due for release? How many 1.3 kernel revisions were there before 2.0 was declared?
A lot of things could be done differently. They, of course, won't because Linus hates CVS. Personally, I'd prefer something along the lines of ClearCase, but I'm paying for the licenses:-) It's time consuming work -- over 50% of work load at Make Systems was configuration management related stuff and there were only a few dozen people working on code.
Anyone who knows anything about code management knows what a "code freeze" is. They also know to begin working within new branches (long) before freezing previous branches. 2.5 should have been open for development when 2.3 was "frozen". And certainly parts of the current 2.4 tree don't belong there -- bug fixes and isolated back ports from the development branch are all that should be going into the 2.4 line. Additionally, it's hard to construct a schedule when you have no clear direction -- a list of features to be in X and which features are push further down the line.
Of course, I don't what the kernel versions to start looking like Cisco IOS tags:-)
If anyone remembers, back when linux rolled to the spankin' version "1.0", Linus said, "Calm down children. It's just a number." The quote may not be 100% correct as this was many years ago, but the part about the version being "just a number" is as true today as it was then.
Linus and company may know how to write code, but it's very obvious they were never taught to manage all of their code. Talk about a black art. Linus' hatred of CVS doesn't make things any easier.
If you knew what really goes on inside an ISP, you'd be amazed that anything ever works. Hiring idiots who cannot drive a mouse and firing all the "expensive" people who really know their shit only makes things that much more difficult.
(I've watched this sort of shit for almost a decade now.)
I (currently) work for a DSL provider/CLEC/LD company (BTI). I've seen both sides of the coin. The local RBOC can drag their feet and break things in ever more inventive ways. They also install loops flawlessly. In my limited experience (I'm not involved in provisioning the copper loop) they get it right most of the time.
Most of the line problems I've seen were in the CPE wiring. A few have been caused by the jack installed by Bell. They like installing those jelly filled things. Well, that jelly is marginally conductive at high frequency. And sometimes the modem/router is bad.
(BTI sells DSL for businesses, so don't freak at the cost.)
Face facts, some things simply are monopolies -- the "natural monopoly". We call them utilities and regulate them. Grocery stores don't present a conciderable infrastructure like a water company or power company.
How would you like having nine (9) local water companies competing for business? Each one will have to bury their own water mains and distribution lines. In the process, they will certainly end up screwing things up -- cutting people's water lines, cutting through distribution lines, etc.
How would you suggest we deal with this mess? Have the government install and manage the utilities infrastructure? Oh, that'd be funny.
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I'm seeing a number of Netopia (R-Series) routers completely freaked out by either all the traffic or too much junk (read: any) sent to the "SmartWeb" server. Personally, I always turn off any f***ing web server on my network hardware -- esp. netopias... they tend to crash using the web interface *correctly*.
Promiscuous mode is not "a normal task." The instant that card is put in that mode, the OS *must* inspect every token passing the card before it gets passed on around the ring. Very few cards have the on-board memory to hold more than 2 packets -- this is true of even ethernet cards.
At any rate, you didn't say in your (dated) original post what *you* had begun doing differently over the last week to account for the change in network behavior. I got the impression you upgraded the kernel or something and then things just stopped working totally. Your admins get half the blame as well for not immediately seeking to find out what your machine was doing differently: Ok, this was working, so who changed what?
As I was origianally going to post (but I read the comments first)...
If it worked for three months and then broke, *someone* *changed* *something*. Either you or the admins had to have changed something. Barring an actual hardware fault -- which was ruled out by replacing everything and running a different OS on the offending hardware -- it's gotta be software. So, the question of "what did you change last week" has already been answered.
You caused all this trouble and let Linux take the blame. Shame on you. Linux did only what it was told to do.
On a half-duplex network of hubs, it certainly is true. The (old) Interpath office was living proof -- 10base2 (coax) ethernet. And when the office moved to Spring Forest Rd. it got a little better, but too many things still lived on hubs. I got tired of it and moved my desk (and most the sysadmin "wing") to a switch... atop the mini-fridge at my desk :-)
(Of course, my desk was a mini-server farm anyway.)
Heh, no comment on ARCnet? Linux supports a blinding amount of vintage hardware -- that's why people like it.
This happens with ethernet as well. I've seen this many times over the years (and even within the past month) -- a single machine spewing packets faster than any router can process, a bad port in a switch turning everything in broadcast traffic, trunking misconfigurations spewing uncomprehensible junk to workstations, unstable etherchannel configurations...
... and the fact that very few places still use token-ring technologies. I can count the number of places in NC on one hand (NCDOT and a number of travel agencies.) NCSU used to have token-ring in a few places, but I doubt it's still there -- my config files are from 1993.
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If his services are not web releated, then what does he care about the "www"? Just direct it to "www.battlebots.com" and be done with it.
i don't see a trademark issue here -- irc bots vs. titanium clad robots fighting in a lexan box. However, I'm certain we don't have the complete and true picture of events. Why did he choose battlebots.org?
5lb Ziggo vs. 500lb BioHazard?
While ziggo would certainly provide some impressive sparks, he's just too lite.
How about Son of Wiashi in a free-for-all? Basically, everyone against Wiashi.
And let's not forget Mr. Clegg's little problem with Gateway(tm) over gateway.com. "gateway.com" was Alan's actual revenue generating (read: rent paying) business.
I've refused to do business with Gateway(tm) since then. And I've stopped doing business with NECX Direct now that they are owned by Gateway(tm). (All other online stores pale in comparison, but I refuse to give Gateway(tm) any of my money.)
It's a domain holding page... go look at it and then ask yourself why they aren't being sued?
And if you go to www.battlebots.net you get a domain placeholder page. So, why the hell aren't they suing the people who are unquestionablly cybersquating?
Yes, and in a perfect world, it would be very funny to watch Internic (or whomever) tell BattleBots(tm) to to f*** off: "You are not a non-profit ORGanization. You are a COMercial entity."
.com, .net, .org, .cc, .to, .info, .biz, .foo, etc. for their desired name as well as every conceivable misspelling and typo they can think of. And then hire lawyers to harass anyone with anything even remotely similar. (we all remember the QVC idiocy?)
I recall a nasty-gram from Internic requiring Interpath to register and use ".com" for all our customers as ".net is for network service providers". You have no idea the hell that created for all the shell users ("mercury.interpath.net" had to become "mercury.interpath.com")... That was many, many years ago.
Now, everyone snarfs up
Hmm, I wonder if he's confusing transmitter power and battery power?
Yeah, I did a double take on that one as well. The most powerful cellular phones available are in the 5 to 25 Watt range. They are not the "grains of rice" everyone thinks of as cell phones these days. They are considered "bag phones" and have an impressive range. The 25W versions are usually not portable -- they are built into your car.
My sister has a 5W bag phone -- it's the only thing that will work in Cleveland Co. (NC) as 360 only has (had) one tower just off US74 in the corner of what used to be the Wal-mart parking lot. There's now a tower in Falston (of all the places!) beside the Community Mart at the intersection of NC18 and NC182 ("the stop light")
J_A_TO, that'll teach me to post so early in the morning (day, whatever.) JETO would be the Ghetto version?
A JETO rocket is at least sound. A scramjet -- with associated acceleration forces -- would rip the top off the car after torquing the entire frame.
Now, a VW bug lauched from the catapult on an aircraft carrier with two JETOs on the sides and a scramjet welded to a reinforced underbody... Are we talking, new bug or old bug?
I've had a 200 hour (198h, 34m) tivo for almost a year... two 80G maxtors. There's a guy that did the same thing with two 100G drives for a total of 234hrs or something like that. My attention is now on building a tower of firewire drives *grin*
Note: I don't recommend doing that with the tivo versions around now. With 1.3 it's fine, with 2.0+ the tivo never deletes anything until it has to (nobody made the "undelete" menu?) which creates some very expensive calculations everytime it wants to record something. I lose the first 30seconds or so of everything. (And it started stuttering like a mother****** once both drives filled up -- of course, that was during the 2.0 beta so I didn't say that.)
Have you ever used ClearCase from Rational Software (Atria, whatever)? It's very sexy. That is, for any org that cares about source code management.
Well, there's stable and then there's stable... 2.4 was, what, over a year past due for release? How many 1.3 kernel revisions were there before 2.0 was declared?
:-) It's time consuming work -- over 50% of work load at Make Systems was configuration management related stuff and there were only a few dozen people working on code.
:-)
A lot of things could be done differently. They, of course, won't because Linus hates CVS. Personally, I'd prefer something along the lines of ClearCase, but I'm paying for the licenses
Anyone who knows anything about code management knows what a "code freeze" is. They also know to begin working within new branches (long) before freezing previous branches. 2.5 should have been open for development when 2.3 was "frozen". And certainly parts of the current 2.4 tree don't belong there -- bug fixes and isolated back ports from the development branch are all that should be going into the 2.4 line. Additionally, it's hard to construct a schedule when you have no clear direction -- a list of features to be in X and which features are push further down the line.
Of course, I don't what the kernel versions to start looking like Cisco IOS tags
If anyone remembers, back when linux rolled to the spankin' version "1.0", Linus said, "Calm down children. It's just a number." The quote may not be 100% correct as this was many years ago, but the part about the version being "just a number" is as true today as it was then.
Linus and company may know how to write code, but it's very obvious they were never taught to manage all of their code. Talk about a black art. Linus' hatred of CVS doesn't make things any easier.
If you knew what really goes on inside an ISP, you'd be amazed that anything ever works. Hiring idiots who cannot drive a mouse and firing all the "expensive" people who really know their shit only makes things that much more difficult.
(I've watched this sort of shit for almost a decade now.)
I (currently) work for a DSL provider/CLEC/LD company (BTI). I've seen both sides of the coin. The local RBOC can drag their feet and break things in ever more inventive ways. They also install loops flawlessly. In my limited experience (I'm not involved in provisioning the copper loop) they get it right most of the time.
Most of the line problems I've seen were in the CPE wiring. A few have been caused by the jack installed by Bell. They like installing those jelly filled things. Well, that jelly is marginally conductive at high frequency. And sometimes the modem/router is bad.
(BTI sells DSL for businesses, so don't freak at the cost.)
Face facts, some things simply are monopolies -- the "natural monopoly". We call them utilities and regulate them. Grocery stores don't present a conciderable infrastructure like a water company or power company.
How would you like having nine (9) local water companies competing for business? Each one will have to bury their own water mains and distribution lines. In the process, they will certainly end up screwing things up -- cutting people's water lines, cutting through distribution lines, etc.
How would you suggest we deal with this mess? Have the government install and manage the utilities infrastructure? Oh, that'd be funny.