Can you explain the 1.2 million refugees in Serbia then? When Croatians expelled more than 200.000 Serbs from their homes in Krajina, gunning down the 400 km long colons of refugees, nobody in US raised a finger! Sorry, my mistake, thay DID provide intelligence data and planning to the Croatian army. These Croatian generals are now under investigation of the Hague court for those crimes.
"Anyway, the point was that the native Chinese people within China were actually United States allies, and the bombing must have been to aid them."
US and allies bombed many Serbian and Montenegrin towns in 1944. The bombing of Belgrade was right at the Orthodox Easter day. Result: about 2000 civilians and only 10 German soldiers dead, many civilians wounded, less than 20 German soldiers wounded. The bombing of Nis: about 1500 civilians and 1 (letters: one!) German soldier died. Same was with the other bombings. No substantial (if any!) damage on German military power. No bombardments on Croatian and Bosnian towns. Up to now, historians and military strategists cannot determine the reason for this bombardments.
Just to remind: Serbs were on the side of allies, and Serbia was under German occupation, Croatia and Bosnia were united in the Independent State of Croatia under Croatian Nazi government, an ally of Germany.
"I don't think that is what he meant or what is happening now. They were working on a piecefull diplomatic agreement that involved placing soldiers to keep the peice in Kosovo, Milosevic walked away and his troops were sent to Kosovo to take it over."
Well, another, very important part of the Techno-war was totally underestimated by John Katz, and that is propaganda war, and that war start much before the bombs begin to drop on their targets. Same is in this NATO agression on Yugoslavia: the main goal of US and its allies is to install a base for its troops on the Balkans. The main target here is Russia, Kosovo is incidental. In its last meeting with Milosevic, prior to NATO bombing, Richard Hallbrook told journalists that his mission is to enforce Milosevic to accept NATO troops in Kosovo, not to settle down the humanitarian crisis (which was nonexistent at the time), nor to enforce Serbian side to accept Ramboulliet agreement. In fact, during Ramboulliet talks, US and UK mediators have told Serbian delegation that the Serbian proposal for the agreement is fair and very good - they just have to agree to let armed NATO troops "supervise" the agreement. Not UN troops, not OSCE troops - NATO troops.
Of course, it is difficult (if not impossible) to animate the public oppinion for military intervention if there is no human crisis, and NATO strategists knew that. The solution: create the crisis, manipulate the media to exploit that crisis (remember, there is no entity in Kosovo these days that can give the OBJECTIVE view on what is happening down there), and blur the real objectives.
"Well, German planes are once again bombing a country... Bad omen for the nato effort? But the air war can win a war, If they would actually also aim for industrial targets and would not have a media sitting there EVERYDAY wanting a final result for something which is going to be of a pro-longed period of time..*cough wwIII cough* then they could win with a pure air victory since nothing of serbia to oppose them would be left. "
...except for the 3+ million angry Serbian men! Germany underestimated that fact twice in this century!
Panzer, the Serb that gets more angry as days go by
"If Milosovic is going to lose anyway, I think it'd be better for him if he were to lose with his military intact than for him to lose with his military hurt by weeks of air bombardment. A despot does not need an excuse to tighten his grip; if his military were to be seriously hurt, it would decrease his power, not increase it."
It's not on Milosevic to decide anymore; Kosovo is not another colony, like the Falkland Islands or Hawaii - it's the basis of the Serbian national being. Any Serb leader who would sell Kosovo to its invaders cannot count to last (both politically and physically) more than a few days!
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Can you explain the 1.2 million refugees in Serbia then? When Croatians expelled more than 200.000 Serbs from their homes in Krajina, gunning down the 400 km long colons of refugees, nobody in US raised a finger! Sorry, my mistake, thay DID provide intelligence data and planning to the Croatian army. These Croatian generals are now under investigation of the Hague court for those crimes.
Panzer, on shooting the "Wag the Dog II" movie
"Anyway, the point was that the native Chinese people within China were actually United States allies, and the bombing must have been to aid them."
US and allies bombed many Serbian and Montenegrin towns in 1944. The bombing of Belgrade was right at the Orthodox Easter day. Result: about 2000 civilians and only 10 German soldiers dead, many civilians wounded, less than 20 German soldiers wounded. The bombing of Nis: about 1500 civilians and 1 (letters: one!) German soldier died. Same was with the other bombings. No substantial (if any!) damage on German military power. No bombardments on Croatian and Bosnian towns. Up to now, historians and military strategists cannot determine the reason for this bombardments.
Just to remind: Serbs were on the side of allies, and Serbia was under German occupation, Croatia and Bosnia were united in the Independent State of Croatia under Croatian Nazi government, an ally of Germany.
Conclusion: with such allies, who needs enemies!
Panzer, who remembers history
"I don't think that is what he meant or what is happening now. They were working on a piecefull diplomatic agreement that involved placing soldiers to keep the peice in Kosovo, Milosevic walked away and his troops were sent to Kosovo to take it over."
Well, another, very important part of the Techno-war was totally underestimated by John Katz, and that is propaganda war, and that war start much before the bombs begin to drop on their targets. Same is in this NATO agression on Yugoslavia: the main goal of US and its allies is to install a base for its troops on the Balkans. The main target here is Russia, Kosovo is incidental. In its last meeting with Milosevic, prior to NATO bombing, Richard Hallbrook told journalists that his mission is to enforce Milosevic to accept NATO troops in Kosovo, not to settle down the humanitarian crisis (which was nonexistent at the time), nor to enforce Serbian side to accept Ramboulliet agreement. In fact, during Ramboulliet talks, US and UK mediators have told Serbian delegation that the Serbian proposal for the agreement is fair and very good - they just have to agree to let armed NATO troops "supervise" the agreement. Not UN troops, not OSCE troops - NATO troops.
Of course, it is difficult (if not impossible) to animate the public oppinion for military intervention if there is no human crisis, and NATO strategists knew that. The solution: create the crisis, manipulate the media to exploit that crisis (remember, there is no entity in Kosovo these days that can give the OBJECTIVE view on what is happening down there), and blur the real objectives.
Panzer, the truth seeker
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"Well,
German planes are once again bombing a country...
Bad omen for the nato effort?
But the air war can win a war,
If they would actually also aim for industrial targets and would not have a media sitting there EVERYDAY wanting a final result for something which is going to be of a pro-longed period of time..*cough wwIII cough* then they could win with a pure air victory since nothing of serbia to
oppose them would be left. "
...except for the 3+ million angry Serbian men! Germany underestimated that fact twice in this century!
Panzer, the Serb that gets more angry as days go by
"If Milosovic is going to lose anyway, I think it'd be better for him if he were to lose with his military intact than for him to lose with his military hurt by weeks of air bombardment. A despot does not need an excuse to tighten his grip; if his military were to be seriously hurt, it would decrease his power, not increase it."
It's not on Milosevic to decide anymore; Kosovo is not another colony, like the Falkland Islands or Hawaii - it's the basis of the Serbian national being. Any Serb leader who would sell Kosovo to its invaders cannot count to last (both politically and physically) more than a few days!
Panzer, the Serb