Explain... without being a nut job (too late) how this makes it any more difficult for you to buy something online.
Walmart online collects sales tax. Amazon doesn't. They work THE EXACT SAME. How exactly are you losing anything other than the money you were ALREADY RESPONSIBLE FOR to the IRS?
The only effect this has on you is that it won't allow you to commit fraud when you file your taxes at the end of the year and claim you don't owe additional taxes.
This actually makes it EASIER ON YOU as you ARE NO LONGER RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING THE TAX YOURSELF, AS YOU ARE REQUIRED BY LAW CURRENTLY.
In 30 years of working and running businesses, I have never been audited in business. I was once audited for personal income tax by the feds though. Made several thousand dollars in the deal as I had over paid, but that was an odd case of course.
To pretend that its a hassle is dishonest at best. Thats an even bigger bullshit excuse than 'collecting different ammounts for different states is hard' when you're using a fucking computer to sell millions and millions of random crap items on the internet.
Do you want to walk to work because you have no infrastructure to get there or telecommute on?
Thats what this is about. I'm sorry you're too dense to see the bigger picture here, but Amazon, Ebay and their ilk are exploiting a bug in tax law that wasn't an issue before the Internet.
It is now, it has to be addressed or you will not be able to have shit shipped to your door because their won't be a god damn road or cops to prevent the UPS man from just selling your shit out of the back of his truck.
The 'vast' majority of consumer goods are FOOD, and they ARE produced locally for all sane environments. Norther exposures tend to depend on more shipped food, but the further south you go, the less is required. Anything below the mason-dixon line doesn't NEED any food shipped in, those shipping is what keeps your market full of vegis from all different environment types all year round.
A single McDonalds goes through FAR more truckloads of product than most Walmarts will (superstores and such being a little different. obviously)
... And so he was right wasn't he... Perhaps you should go re-read your linked article and actually understand what Substantive due process is before you try to tell someone else. You seem to not have any fucking idea what ratification requires. In short, I'm fairly certain you don't have any clue how the America government actually works.
A state, or even half the states in teh country can't modify the constitution. Just because Old Miss decides to chain up the negras doesn't actually make it part of the constitution... the rest of the states actually have to agree with it in a majority.
God you're fucking stupid.
If you stop looking in the mirror you won't have to say that so often.
Don't be confused. When you see people talking about the constitution being unconstitutional and you don't understand why... the reason is because they're trying to manipulate the meaning of one thing, usually it'll be a single line, rarely more than that, into fitting their definition of the argument and ignoring everything else.
You can more or less instantly write of anyone who tells you parts of the constitution are unconstitutional. Its unlikely you will miss anything of value (except perhaps a good laugh) if you do.
The fed doesn't have to make a law regarding tax collection or collection itself, just has to make it a federal crime to violate sales taxes laws in a state if you sell products to people in that state. By that meaning that at the time of sale, the person buying the property, their physical location (or shipping address for internet stuffs) is the place of sale.
Problem solved.
Do you really want to hide behind something like this like you're clever while you're neighborhood crumbles around you cause you thought being clever on the Internet was a better idea than just paying your fair share of upkeep?
Legality of requiring a seller to collect the tax... We already have those laws, fairly certain they get enforced... since... you know... everyone bothers to collect sales tax.
The Fed can simply state that businesses in the US doing interstate commerce are bound by the states they are selling their products in. The definition of 'selling their products in' is the physical location of the buyer at the time or purchase.
You charge the tax based on shipping or billing address, which isn't all that important since most times they will be the same.
You pay the tax to that location.
The end result is that things work like they do now, and Amazon doesn't get to pretend they have lower prices when they actually don't have nearly the gap that is perceived.
Why is this even a little bit complicated. You look at the problem, which is Amazon and Ebay don't want to have to do what every other business in America has to do. So you fix the problem by making them do the same thing every other business does. Pay fucking taxes on the sale at the location of the sale.
My business is required to pay sales tax in any state we sell in because we have 'agents' in all those states. What does Amazon do when say... North Carolina required them to pay taxes on those agents in North Carolina? They terminated the agents, or 'referral' partners. Is that really the kind of business you want around?
I admin a SaaS service, I have to pay taxes in any state I have an agent in... in most states that means if I have a sales person in that state at any point in the year, that means I pay them taxes on sales to customers in that state.
I for the life of me can't possibly understand why you would even bother to ask this question, its mind numbing obvious who pays and where the pay goes.
Quickbooks is already more than capable of dealing WITH EVERY SALES TAKE JURISDICTION IN THE UNITED STATES.
If as a business, you can't use quickbooks or something more capable, you don't deserve to be in business. Surely the TEAM of programmers they have dealing can manage to buy a copy of the tax rates based on locality and then charge it based on the billing address.
This isn't rocket science. Its not even hard. If the data is in a SQL database, its not even a mildly complex.
Next time UPS flies a package to your door, let me know. I'ld love to know how they get those packages to your door without driving down your local roads.
Not with the right software. There are packages that run in BIOS (well, special additional ROM for the purpose ) lots of different laptops.
I forget what we used at my last place of employement, but it was a one time choice after you got the laptop. You could leave it alone, which meant the software was waiting for activation and did nothing but offer a BIOS screen to activate.
You could deactivate it, and the BIOS page about it would go away and there was absolutely no way to get it back.
You could activate it, it would take some info and a license-key looking thing and activate, and there was absolutely no way to turn it off. Didn't even need a hard drive in to function. The OS was helpful if it booted, but all it needed was for you to plug the LAN into something that could hit the Internet or get the WiFi adapter to associate with a network and you were done, the tracking software was in play and could report full system info.
A matter of semantics... yes indeed, and his reporting it to the police... having already showed them the evidence he was posting on the web, wasn't enough for them to do anything to him... was it?
So basically, you're saying he's at risk... when he showed the cops what he was doing... but the guy who stole his laptop is clear and free.
Fortunately, the world doesn't actually work that way. As shown by the cops being fully aware of him 'spying' on the thief (He IS the thief, he was seen entering stolen CC numbers with a fucking screenshot so his guilt is 100% beyond contestation). You might have something if it was some 6 year old girl he was spying on but again, known not to be the case here.
CmdrTaco leaving is what killed it. No one else left has any sort of standards or pride, this gradual decline into as was said, an inevitable domain recycling.
Its pretty much happens with most companies when the founder, who cares, leaves. Slashdot is no exception.
Right, the reason people kill you during crime is because they happened to have a gun on them.
It has nothing to do with the not living a witness or fear and intimidation to keep you away from the cops.
No, no gun just means they beat you senseless and leave you maimed if they want to, or beat you with a pipe, or sock full of quarters, or a pillow case of rocks.
A disarmed society is a herd of sheep. Ignorance like yours assuming that you can magically stop people from hurting others because you take away their preferred method of doing it. Thats as retarded as pretending that taking away guns means no crime. You must live in a bubble, out here in the real world, there were wars, murder, and all sorts of other crime tens of thousands of years before the gun existed as far as we are aware.
I'm not sure what town you're walking into that you're just going to get robbed at gun point and left to walk away, but thats not how it actually works. You aren't left to walk away even if there is no gun. Criminals are generally not real bright but I'm fairly certain they're still further up on the IQ scale than your kind of logic.
Next you'll tell us how the mugger can sue him if the laptop catches fire because he stolen the wrong power brick too.
He isn't going outside the court system. He has infact, informed them, and asked them for help, using the very evidence he is making public.
They didn't care.
You'll have a REALLY hard fucking time putting someone in jail based on evidence they actually took to the police and the police rejected. Any lawyer that isn't still in his mothers womb would tear you a new asshole if you even thought about pressing charges.
You live in a retarded fucking country, but we knew that already.
How does it protect pawnshops? It gives them a green card to sell stolen goods. The logic is insanely stupid on your part.
In America, we hold pawn dealers responsible for selling obviously stolen goods. We will shut them down and put them in jail for selling stolen goods. We require them to report every thing they buy and in most states, they must hold on to it for several months so it can be claimed as stolen.
What kind of idiot makes laws like that? I steal your shit, sell it to someone cheap, and they keep it? All they have to do is pretend that buying a Porshe for $15k was a good deal and they had no idea it was stolen? really? REALLY?
I doubt you actually understand the laws you speak of. We really should kick you guys out of the US and sell that land to Russia or something.
Do you work for an american bank or something? Just because you stole it and sold it to your sister doesn't make it actually hers. She isn't entitled to it, she was robbed of the money. Your retarded logic is the same bullshit banks are using to keep houses the fucking stole from people and rapidly resold knowing they were doing it.
It would seem to me that he should be filing charges against the police. They are bound by laws as well.
What you're saying though is that the only way to get anything done in our legal system is to involve and insurance company as the police apparently will listen to them.
I don't think its called training really. I mean, what possibly did he learn? The best I can figure, in order for him to have been 'trained' at anything it would have to be some sort of dark matter energy based training as it seems to have worked... and by work I mean left him completely devoid of any and all common sense and intelligence beyond that of a small inbred dog.
It did nothing to the pump, it overloaded the sensor.
You're right, they shouldn't have scanned it, but their purpose is to find odd devices that might be bombs and when in doubt they are protecting everyone in the airport/air system, not one girl. They did the right thing as far as protocol was concerned, it would only be wrong if they were working under the impression that x-ray scanners are a waste of time... which presumably TSA employees themselves are not evil people in general, so probably just misinformed.
Its more her fault than theirs.
Trusting your life to a single human designed system without any backup? That makes you pretty fucking stupid, more so than the TSA agent following the rules of his job. Of course, it really came no where near ever being any sort of threat to her life, but if we're going to pretend she nearly died then lets put the pretend blame where it belongs. And lets face it, you know nothing of what its like living as a diabetic or you wouldn't be sounding so silly.
And we care less about you and your ignorant vote than some random nut job living in a cabin in the middle of the woods.
If you're too stupid to use a website, your thoughts and votes are not wanted in this situation. You clearly can't cope with the world around you in general if posting on slashdot is a proper response to a website not working in lynx. It shows you're too stupid to recognize the difference a tool designed to be used as a backup in a pinch and one thats actually meant to be used everyday.
Your comment being a shitty joke or not, it just demonstrates that you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet due to insufficient IQ.
And while I hear what you're saying, if you disagree with the groupthink at this point, it does make you a moron. This is one of the rare places where the standard slashdot ignorance that normally gets it so incredibly wrong is actually right.
They don't want your comments, they want you to think they want your comments. To which they'll respond that the public demanded more awesome scanners.
Only slashdot would post such an incredibly naive headline. Must be timothy... yep, scroll back to the top and see its slashdots' #1 moron.
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Explain ... without being a nut job (too late) how this makes it any more difficult for you to buy something online.
Walmart online collects sales tax. Amazon doesn't. They work THE EXACT SAME. How exactly are you losing anything other than the money you were ALREADY RESPONSIBLE FOR to the IRS?
The only effect this has on you is that it won't allow you to commit fraud when you file your taxes at the end of the year and claim you don't owe additional taxes.
This actually makes it EASIER ON YOU as you ARE NO LONGER RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING THE TAX YOURSELF, AS YOU ARE REQUIRED BY LAW CURRENTLY.
Again, how does this make it harder?
In 30 years of working and running businesses, I have never been audited in business. I was once audited for personal income tax by the feds though. Made several thousand dollars in the deal as I had over paid, but that was an odd case of course.
To pretend that its a hassle is dishonest at best. Thats an even bigger bullshit excuse than 'collecting different ammounts for different states is hard' when you're using a fucking computer to sell millions and millions of random crap items on the internet.
Do you want to walk to work because you have no infrastructure to get there or telecommute on?
Thats what this is about. I'm sorry you're too dense to see the bigger picture here, but Amazon, Ebay and their ilk are exploiting a bug in tax law that wasn't an issue before the Internet.
It is now, it has to be addressed or you will not be able to have shit shipped to your door because their won't be a god damn road or cops to prevent the UPS man from just selling your shit out of the back of his truck.
The 'vast' majority of consumer goods are FOOD, and they ARE produced locally for all sane environments. Norther exposures tend to depend on more shipped food, but the further south you go, the less is required. Anything below the mason-dixon line doesn't NEED any food shipped in, those shipping is what keeps your market full of vegis from all different environment types all year round.
A single McDonalds goes through FAR more truckloads of product than most Walmarts will (superstores and such being a little different. obviously)
... And so he was right wasn't he ... Perhaps you should go re-read your linked article and actually understand what Substantive due process is before you try to tell someone else. You seem to not have any fucking idea what ratification requires. In short, I'm fairly certain you don't have any clue how the America government actually works.
A state, or even half the states in teh country can't modify the constitution. Just because Old Miss decides to chain up the negras doesn't actually make it part of the constitution ... the rest of the states actually have to agree with it in a majority.
God you're fucking stupid.
If you stop looking in the mirror you won't have to say that so often.
Dude, you're a nut case ... I was about 3 lines into your rant before I realized it ... but its clear, you're an idiot living in another world.
Don't be confused. When you see people talking about the constitution being unconstitutional and you don't understand why ... the reason is because they're trying to manipulate the meaning of one thing, usually it'll be a single line, rarely more than that, into fitting their definition of the argument and ignoring everything else.
You can more or less instantly write of anyone who tells you parts of the constitution are unconstitutional. Its unlikely you will miss anything of value (except perhaps a good laugh) if you do.
The fed doesn't have to make a law regarding tax collection or collection itself, just has to make it a federal crime to violate sales taxes laws in a state if you sell products to people in that state. By that meaning that at the time of sale, the person buying the property, their physical location (or shipping address for internet stuffs) is the place of sale.
Problem solved.
Do you really want to hide behind something like this like you're clever while you're neighborhood crumbles around you cause you thought being clever on the Internet was a better idea than just paying your fair share of upkeep?
Legality of requiring a seller to collect the tax ... We already have those laws, fairly certain they get enforced ... since ... you know ... everyone bothers to collect sales tax.
The Fed can simply state that businesses in the US doing interstate commerce are bound by the states they are selling their products in. The definition of 'selling their products in' is the physical location of the buyer at the time or purchase.
Problem solved.
You charge the tax based on shipping or billing address, which isn't all that important since most times they will be the same.
You pay the tax to that location.
The end result is that things work like they do now, and Amazon doesn't get to pretend they have lower prices when they actually don't have nearly the gap that is perceived.
Why is this even a little bit complicated. You look at the problem, which is Amazon and Ebay don't want to have to do what every other business in America has to do. So you fix the problem by making them do the same thing every other business does. Pay fucking taxes on the sale at the location of the sale.
My business is required to pay sales tax in any state we sell in because we have 'agents' in all those states. What does Amazon do when say ... North Carolina required them to pay taxes on those agents in North Carolina? They terminated the agents, or 'referral' partners. Is that really the kind of business you want around?
I admin a SaaS service, I have to pay taxes in any state I have an agent in ... in most states that means if I have a sales person in that state at any point in the year, that means I pay them taxes on sales to customers in that state.
I for the life of me can't possibly understand why you would even bother to ask this question, its mind numbing obvious who pays and where the pay goes.
All of them?
Are you serious?
Quickbooks is already more than capable of dealing WITH EVERY SALES TAKE JURISDICTION IN THE UNITED STATES.
If as a business, you can't use quickbooks or something more capable, you don't deserve to be in business. Surely the TEAM of programmers they have dealing can manage to buy a copy of the tax rates based on locality and then charge it based on the billing address.
This isn't rocket science. Its not even hard. If the data is in a SQL database, its not even a mildly complex.
Next time UPS flies a package to your door, let me know. I'ld love to know how they get those packages to your door without driving down your local roads.
Not with the right software. There are packages that run in BIOS (well, special additional ROM for the purpose ) lots of different laptops.
I forget what we used at my last place of employement, but it was a one time choice after you got the laptop. You could leave it alone, which meant the software was waiting for activation and did nothing but offer a BIOS screen to activate.
You could deactivate it, and the BIOS page about it would go away and there was absolutely no way to get it back.
You could activate it, it would take some info and a license-key looking thing and activate, and there was absolutely no way to turn it off. Didn't even need a hard drive in to function. The OS was helpful if it booted, but all it needed was for you to plug the LAN into something that could hit the Internet or get the WiFi adapter to associate with a network and you were done, the tracking software was in play and could report full system info.
A matter of semantics ... yes indeed, and his reporting it to the police ... having already showed them the evidence he was posting on the web, wasn't enough for them to do anything to him ... was it?
So basically, you're saying he's at risk ... when he showed the cops what he was doing ... but the guy who stole his laptop is clear and free.
Fortunately, the world doesn't actually work that way. As shown by the cops being fully aware of him 'spying' on the thief (He IS the thief, he was seen entering stolen CC numbers with a fucking screenshot so his guilt is 100% beyond contestation). You might have something if it was some 6 year old girl he was spying on but again, known not to be the case here.
CmdrTaco leaving is what killed it. No one else left has any sort of standards or pride, this gradual decline into as was said, an inevitable domain recycling.
Its pretty much happens with most companies when the founder, who cares, leaves. Slashdot is no exception.
Why do you think Taco left anyway?
Right, the reason people kill you during crime is because they happened to have a gun on them.
It has nothing to do with the not living a witness or fear and intimidation to keep you away from the cops.
No, no gun just means they beat you senseless and leave you maimed if they want to, or beat you with a pipe, or sock full of quarters, or a pillow case of rocks.
A disarmed society is a herd of sheep. Ignorance like yours assuming that you can magically stop people from hurting others because you take away their preferred method of doing it. Thats as retarded as pretending that taking away guns means no crime. You must live in a bubble, out here in the real world, there were wars, murder, and all sorts of other crime tens of thousands of years before the gun existed as far as we are aware.
I'm not sure what town you're walking into that you're just going to get robbed at gun point and left to walk away, but thats not how it actually works. You aren't left to walk away even if there is no gun. Criminals are generally not real bright but I'm fairly certain they're still further up on the IQ scale than your kind of logic.
Next you'll tell us how the mugger can sue him if the laptop catches fire because he stolen the wrong power brick too.
He isn't going outside the court system. He has infact, informed them, and asked them for help, using the very evidence he is making public.
They didn't care.
You'll have a REALLY hard fucking time putting someone in jail based on evidence they actually took to the police and the police rejected. Any lawyer that isn't still in his mothers womb would tear you a new asshole if you even thought about pressing charges.
You live in a retarded fucking country, but we knew that already.
How does it protect pawnshops? It gives them a green card to sell stolen goods. The logic is insanely stupid on your part.
In America, we hold pawn dealers responsible for selling obviously stolen goods. We will shut them down and put them in jail for selling stolen goods. We require them to report every thing they buy and in most states, they must hold on to it for several months so it can be claimed as stolen.
What kind of idiot makes laws like that? I steal your shit, sell it to someone cheap, and they keep it? All they have to do is pretend that buying a Porshe for $15k was a good deal and they had no idea it was stolen? really? REALLY?
I doubt you actually understand the laws you speak of. We really should kick you guys out of the US and sell that land to Russia or something.
Do you work for an american bank or something? Just because you stole it and sold it to your sister doesn't make it actually hers. She isn't entitled to it, she was robbed of the money. Your retarded logic is the same bullshit banks are using to keep houses the fucking stole from people and rapidly resold knowing they were doing it.
It would seem to me that he should be filing charges against the police. They are bound by laws as well.
What you're saying though is that the only way to get anything done in our legal system is to involve and insurance company as the police apparently will listen to them.
I don't think its called training really. I mean, what possibly did he learn? The best I can figure, in order for him to have been 'trained' at anything it would have to be some sort of dark matter energy based training as it seems to have worked ... and by work I mean left him completely devoid of any and all common sense and intelligence beyond that of a small inbred dog.
It did nothing to the pump, it overloaded the sensor.
You're right, they shouldn't have scanned it, but their purpose is to find odd devices that might be bombs and when in doubt they are protecting everyone in the airport/air system, not one girl. They did the right thing as far as protocol was concerned, it would only be wrong if they were working under the impression that x-ray scanners are a waste of time ... which presumably TSA employees themselves are not evil people in general, so probably just misinformed.
Its more her fault than theirs.
Trusting your life to a single human designed system without any backup? That makes you pretty fucking stupid, more so than the TSA agent following the rules of his job. Of course, it really came no where near ever being any sort of threat to her life, but if we're going to pretend she nearly died then lets put the pretend blame where it belongs. And lets face it, you know nothing of what its like living as a diabetic or you wouldn't be sounding so silly.
And we care less about you and your ignorant vote than some random nut job living in a cabin in the middle of the woods.
If you're too stupid to use a website, your thoughts and votes are not wanted in this situation. You clearly can't cope with the world around you in general if posting on slashdot is a proper response to a website not working in lynx. It shows you're too stupid to recognize the difference a tool designed to be used as a backup in a pinch and one thats actually meant to be used everyday.
Your comment being a shitty joke or not, it just demonstrates that you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet due to insufficient IQ.
And while I hear what you're saying, if you disagree with the groupthink at this point, it does make you a moron. This is one of the rare places where the standard slashdot ignorance that normally gets it so incredibly wrong is actually right.
They don't want your comments, they want you to think they want your comments. To which they'll respond that the public demanded more awesome scanners.
Only slashdot would post such an incredibly naive headline. Must be timothy ... yep, scroll back to the top and see its slashdots' #1 moron.