Can you plug 3 monitors into the imac for awesome gaming?
Yes, I do it every day, thats what the DisplayLink port on the back is for... hooking up two more monitors.
What happens when it's a couple of years old; can you buy the latest graphics card or two maybe a new cpu, or do you have to buy a whole new unit, did you factor that into your cost?
No, and when you grow up a little bit you'll realize you don't do that either. You do one component, and then very shortly there after do another, and it quickly turns into a piece meal upgrade that costs you the same as buying a new pc. I just go buy a new mac in 3 years, end result, you don't save anything over me.
As for everything else... there have been options for these things for years even if you're unaware of them, you just plug them into some port like usb, firewire, displaylink and now Thunderbolt ports, not really anything that isn't available.
like 3d and touch
So, you've never used a Mac eh? I'd like to know what you think does better in those areas than the Mac equivalents.
You are clearly not a trackpad user. As such, I agree with you 100%, as a non-trackpad users, Apples trackpads are painfully frustrating to use.
Once you get used to them however, and used to taking advantage of multitouch, they ONLY reason I use a mouse now is to play FPSes where I can change the resolution on the fly. I can't imagine using Pixelmator with a mouse now days, but as I said Pixelmator I'm clearly not doing high end graphics work.
Once you get used to the trackpad, the thing is freaking awesome. You have to fix the shitty defaults in OS X 10.7 to make it not suck again, but it still rocks after it starts to feel normal.
Comparing your cheaply build beige box to an iMac is roughly the same as comparing an engine to a car. You're ignoring a whole fuckton of things that the iMac has that your beige box doesn't, an OS License being at the top of the list.
And I highly doubt your components were that much better. You may pay more than they are worth and therefore think they are better, but thats not likely to be the case. Its well known and understand that Apple uses high quality components, do do much better than that you'd be paying significantly more and be in an entirely different class of product that most certainly would cost more.
The fact that you're saying that your 'box' and 'cooling' are better just proves my point.
Are you guys just becoming aware of how the real world works or something? You're discovering what Walmart has been doing for 40 years? And Sears before them? And I'm sure thousands of other businesses that I don't remember or wasn't around for. How many times has this been discussed about iTunes alone? Are you guys really unaware that the same thing happens with hardware as well?
Slashdot used to be news for nerds, now it seems more like semi-nerd news for the masses.
You're entirely right, except for the entirety of your post.
The car in the article isn't open source either, and no where do they claim it to be. Slashdot claimed it to be 'open source'. It isn't. You can't go get the CAD drawings yourself and try to build this car.
OSS zealots have corrupted the word 'open' into this fantasy meaning that no one else in the world shares. slashdot see's 'open' it becomes 'open source' because neither the submitter or the editors have a rational grasp on the world, they too think everything revolves around GPL and open source.
The car was developed in an open consortium, which just means everyone in the consortium discussed everything freely with EACH OTHER. It doesnt' mean they are sharing it with the world.
So you click on the translated link... then the original link that shows up. Is it hard for you to click the link on the next page from Google translate?
Once you couple in energy costs (financial costs at current market rates, not any environmental BS) , the Leaf is a great deal. The same energy amount from the socket is considerably cheaper than from gasoline. Gasoline is just FAR more compact than any electrical storage system we currently have.
They just said 'Open', which slashdot fucks up EVERY SINGLE TIME it comes up. Slashdot thinks everything has to fit in one tiny definition that suits their whim, so that more or less means if the word 'open' or the word 'free' is used anywhere in the description, it must be GPL!
Too bad they don't fucking speak English as a first language in Germany.
So while you call it shitty marketing fail, I call you stupid ignorant American making comments without bothering to be informed with the information right in front of your face. People like you are an embarrassment to our country, please keep your mouth shut in public.
Hopefully someone will circumvent the retarded US auto laws and sell it as a "kit" so it does not have to meet ANY US safety
Go fuck yourself. Seriously, Go fuck yourself. A kit car still has to be safe thank god, otherwise we'd have morons like you driving around shit that flies apart going down the road and ends up not killing your retarded ass, but something ends up coming through my windshield and killing me.
Ignorant idiots like you do not need to be assembling anything thats going to go 70 mph on a road that I have to travel on.
You like European safetly laws so much, take your ass over there, I'd prefer to keep idiots like you from putting my life at risk as much as possible. Its bad enough that people have to drive down the road with someone like you.
Please note: Experimental aircraft are HIGHLY restricted, just because they let the owner do stupid shit doesn't mean they let them do stupid shit near others or with others involved. Get a clue moron.
Name one OS that is so secure that using separate machines isn't a good idea. You're clearly not refering to any modern popular/widely used OS since all of them out of the box are setup in such a way that exploiting one service gets you something good to use against another service (perhaps not what you need every time).
I'm not saying you should be using VMs to mitigate the problem, because you're actually making it worse by doing so.
I am however saying that if you think you know of some OS that is so super secure that physical service segregation is no more secure than running them all on one box, then you're just ignorant of reality.
The vSphere 4.x client does use.NET, but its actually a Gecko based application. Which makes it even more puzzling as it uses.NET XML libraries instead of the ones already built in. Of course, since they used those libraries incorrectly, most of us had to wait for months (years?) before it would work on any up to date Windows XP machine or any Vista/Win7 machine.
It of course, is also not cross platform, which it could be very easy, if they knew what they were doing. They for some reason thing that using.NET to do the SOAP requests with the server is more intelligent than using all the libraries that come with the application framework they used as a base.
Basically, vSphere is a good example of why you should be considering anyone other than vSphere as soon as someone else becomes viable.
I still then VMware is currently 'the best', but thats just like RIM a few years ago before the iPhone. They may be the best, but they still fucking suck.
If by 'vmware' you mean OpenStack, then sure, they use VMware. I wasn't aware that OpenStack meant VMware however, I was fairly certainy by their support for ONLY Linux and Windows that they weren't using VMware.
I also fail to see how manually updating C code and build scripts because dependency source had file reloactions and function changes is something I'm expected at a sysadmin level to deal with. It's one thing to spin shell scripting, it's another to play in kernel / kernel-module code.
Because you use Linux, and you get what you pay for? This really isn't hard to understand. This is something Linux supporters think of as a 'good thing' when in reality, its just because they don't have actual work to do. For people who have shit to do rather than play around fixing other people code all day long because no one cares about compatibility (remember, its open you can FIX IT YOURSELF!).
Old accounts get far more stuff than new accounts. As they got more people/popularity they started cutting back on things for new accounts/
I have an account from when they first started that allows 100 accounts, and another 2 at 50, and a recent one at 10. The original one gets access to pretty much EVERY google service that would normally require paying (Google Video, exchange sync for Outlook (not activesync for mobile, which you get as well), hell, its got full API access for syncing with an ActiveDirectory server.
I agree that VMWare is better at remotely managing machines
That means that the whole virtualization arena is essentially a steaming pile of shit then.
I run VMware servers and I have to say, the whole vSphere thing is an absolute pile of rubbish. They've over complicated their systems to the point that its just a house of cards waitting to fall apart.
I'm sorry, no one is going to teach you the basics of software design just to show you up on slashdot.
More code means more bugs, which means a larger attack surface.
You seem to confuse 'not having some major public exploit to date' with 'secure' and that means you really don't need to be in this discussion as you're disconnected from the way reality actually works.
One thing you seem to fail to understand, is that to get this type of exploit, you'd need to 1/ get root (hard already) then 2/ get to the hypervisor level. So please explain to me how this is LESS safe, when you have 2 layers of exploits to find instead of just one.
Because you only need to exploit EITHER of them, not both. You didn't add another defense mechanism, you added another place for a hole. If I can find a bug in the network code in your hypervisor that allows the virtual machines to communicate with the real networks then I can own ALL of your VMs and I don't need a login anywhere potentially.
You simply don't understand security, sorry, its unlikely I could teach you enough to make it clear anytime in the near future. I can safely say this because you seem to think that the fact that you are unaware of current root exploits that they don't exist. I assure you, this is not the case.
Except, its not in different universe. Its in fact its still on the same planet, just at the parking lot next door, now instead of being in a normal parking lot, its in a multidecked parking lot with a whole bunch of other cars they can break into at the same time because when you drive into this parking lot, everyone has to give the keys over to the parking attendant and trust that they will hold the keys securely.
You fail to understand how computers work and you suck at analogies.
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Can you plug 3 monitors into the imac for awesome gaming?
Yes, I do it every day, thats what the DisplayLink port on the back is for ... hooking up two more monitors.
What happens when it's a couple of years old; can you buy the latest graphics card or two maybe a new cpu, or do you have to buy a whole new unit, did you factor that into your cost?
No, and when you grow up a little bit you'll realize you don't do that either. You do one component, and then very shortly there after do another, and it quickly turns into a piece meal upgrade that costs you the same as buying a new pc. I just go buy a new mac in 3 years, end result, you don't save anything over me.
As for everything else ... there have been options for these things for years even if you're unaware of them, you just plug them into some port like usb, firewire, displaylink and now Thunderbolt ports, not really anything that isn't available.
like 3d and touch
So, you've never used a Mac eh? I'd like to know what you think does better in those areas than the Mac equivalents.
You are clearly not a trackpad user. As such, I agree with you 100%, as a non-trackpad users, Apples trackpads are painfully frustrating to use.
Once you get used to them however, and used to taking advantage of multitouch, they ONLY reason I use a mouse now is to play FPSes where I can change the resolution on the fly. I can't imagine using Pixelmator with a mouse now days, but as I said Pixelmator I'm clearly not doing high end graphics work.
Once you get used to the trackpad, the thing is freaking awesome. You have to fix the shitty defaults in OS X 10.7 to make it not suck again, but it still rocks after it starts to feel normal.
Comparing your cheaply build beige box to an iMac is roughly the same as comparing an engine to a car. You're ignoring a whole fuckton of things that the iMac has that your beige box doesn't, an OS License being at the top of the list.
And I highly doubt your components were that much better. You may pay more than they are worth and therefore think they are better, but thats not likely to be the case. Its well known and understand that Apple uses high quality components, do do much better than that you'd be paying significantly more and be in an entirely different class of product that most certainly would cost more.
The fact that you're saying that your 'box' and 'cooling' are better just proves my point.
Are you guys just becoming aware of how the real world works or something? You're discovering what Walmart has been doing for 40 years? And Sears before them? And I'm sure thousands of other businesses that I don't remember or wasn't around for. How many times has this been discussed about iTunes alone? Are you guys really unaware that the same thing happens with hardware as well?
Slashdot used to be news for nerds, now it seems more like semi-nerd news for the masses.
Thats 16 miles in each direction, not round trip.
You're entirely right, except for the entirety of your post.
The car in the article isn't open source either, and no where do they claim it to be. Slashdot claimed it to be 'open source'. It isn't. You can't go get the CAD drawings yourself and try to build this car.
OSS zealots have corrupted the word 'open' into this fantasy meaning that no one else in the world shares. slashdot see's 'open' it becomes 'open source' because neither the submitter or the editors have a rational grasp on the world, they too think everything revolves around GPL and open source.
The car was developed in an open consortium, which just means everyone in the consortium discussed everything freely with EACH OTHER. It doesnt' mean they are sharing it with the world.
So you click on the translated link ... then the original link that shows up. Is it hard for you to click the link on the next page from Google translate?
Once you couple in energy costs (financial costs at current market rates, not any environmental BS) , the Leaf is a great deal. The same energy amount from the socket is considerably cheaper than from gasoline. Gasoline is just FAR more compact than any electrical storage system we currently have.
They aren't saying 'open source', slashdot is.
They just said 'Open', which slashdot fucks up EVERY SINGLE TIME it comes up. Slashdot thinks everything has to fit in one tiny definition that suits their whim, so that more or less means if the word 'open' or the word 'free' is used anywhere in the description, it must be GPL!
Yes, in English, thats entirely accurate.
Too bad they don't fucking speak English as a first language in Germany.
So while you call it shitty marketing fail, I call you stupid ignorant American making comments without bothering to be informed with the information right in front of your face. People like you are an embarrassment to our country, please keep your mouth shut in public.
Okay, so it can't go up a hill with 3 passengers either.
Hopefully someone will circumvent the retarded US auto laws and sell it as a "kit" so it does not have to meet ANY US safety
Go fuck yourself. Seriously, Go fuck yourself. A kit car still has to be safe thank god, otherwise we'd have morons like you driving around shit that flies apart going down the road and ends up not killing your retarded ass, but something ends up coming through my windshield and killing me.
Ignorant idiots like you do not need to be assembling anything thats going to go 70 mph on a road that I have to travel on.
You like European safetly laws so much, take your ass over there, I'd prefer to keep idiots like you from putting my life at risk as much as possible. Its bad enough that people have to drive down the road with someone like you.
Please note: Experimental aircraft are HIGHLY restricted, just because they let the owner do stupid shit doesn't mean they let them do stupid shit near others or with others involved. Get a clue moron.
Name one OS that is so secure that using separate machines isn't a good idea. You're clearly not refering to any modern popular/widely used OS since all of them out of the box are setup in such a way that exploiting one service gets you something good to use against another service (perhaps not what you need every time).
I'm not saying you should be using VMs to mitigate the problem, because you're actually making it worse by doing so.
I am however saying that if you think you know of some OS that is so super secure that physical service segregation is no more secure than running them all on one box, then you're just ignorant of reality.
The vSphere 4.x client does use .NET, but its actually a Gecko based application. Which makes it even more puzzling as it uses .NET XML libraries instead of the ones already built in. Of course, since they used those libraries incorrectly, most of us had to wait for months (years?) before it would work on any up to date Windows XP machine or any Vista/Win7 machine.
It of course, is also not cross platform, which it could be very easy, if they knew what they were doing. They for some reason thing that using .NET to do the SOAP requests with the server is more intelligent than using all the libraries that come with the application framework they used as a base.
Basically, vSphere is a good example of why you should be considering anyone other than vSphere as soon as someone else becomes viable.
I still then VMware is currently 'the best', but thats just like RIM a few years ago before the iPhone. They may be the best, but they still fucking suck.
If by 'vmware' you mean OpenStack, then sure, they use VMware. I wasn't aware that OpenStack meant VMware however, I was fairly certainy by their support for ONLY Linux and Windows that they weren't using VMware.
Good luck with those web forums when your millions-of-dollars-an-hour-in-lost-revenue business is down beyond it's maintenance window while you wait
While I understand your point, your post just shows a lack of experience and qualification to be an IT administrator of any sort.
What you're describing occurs because of inadequate testing before implementation, no other reason.
So you haven't tried anything else at all then have you?
Now days, what VM infrastructure product DOESN'T allow for full snapshot trees? I can't even think of one.
I also fail to see how manually updating C code and build scripts because dependency source had file reloactions and function changes is something I'm expected at a sysadmin level to deal with. It's one thing to spin shell scripting, it's another to play in kernel / kernel-module code.
Because you use Linux, and you get what you pay for? This really isn't hard to understand. This is something Linux supporters think of as a 'good thing' when in reality, its just because they don't have actual work to do. For people who have shit to do rather than play around fixing other people code all day long because no one cares about compatibility (remember, its open you can FIX IT YOURSELF!).
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Or actually, the real one is xVM, the VDI is for virtualizing desktop users, not server infrastructure.
VMware also does VDI.
Both Sun/Oracle and VMware VDI require the xVM or vSphere to actually accomplish their goals.
Old accounts get far more stuff than new accounts. As they got more people/popularity they started cutting back on things for new accounts/
I have an account from when they first started that allows 100 accounts, and another 2 at 50, and a recent one at 10. The original one gets access to pretty much EVERY google service that would normally require paying (Google Video, exchange sync for Outlook (not activesync for mobile, which you get as well), hell, its got full API access for syncing with an ActiveDirectory server.
VDI is a keyboard-video-mouse virtualization.
Yea, thats PART of it. On the back end there is a VM running that appears to be your desktop.
VDI is basically just like using RDP to connect to a VM.
Yes it does, its just not called VirtualBox any more than VMware is called VMware Player at that level.
You use ESXi and vSphere with VMware.
You use xVM with Oracle.
xVM is the bigbrother of VirtualBox with all the infrastructure related bits, and the price to match.
I agree that VMWare is better at remotely managing machines
That means that the whole virtualization arena is essentially a steaming pile of shit then.
I run VMware servers and I have to say, the whole vSphere thing is an absolute pile of rubbish. They've over complicated their systems to the point that its just a house of cards waitting to fall apart.
If they are the best, we need to start over.
Citation needed.
I'm sorry, no one is going to teach you the basics of software design just to show you up on slashdot.
More code means more bugs, which means a larger attack surface.
You seem to confuse 'not having some major public exploit to date' with 'secure' and that means you really don't need to be in this discussion as you're disconnected from the way reality actually works.
One thing you seem to fail to understand, is that to get this type of exploit, you'd need to 1/ get root (hard already) then 2/ get to the hypervisor level. So please explain to me how this is LESS safe, when you have 2 layers of exploits to find instead of just one.
Because you only need to exploit EITHER of them, not both. You didn't add another defense mechanism, you added another place for a hole. If I can find a bug in the network code in your hypervisor that allows the virtual machines to communicate with the real networks then I can own ALL of your VMs and I don't need a login anywhere potentially.
You simply don't understand security, sorry, its unlikely I could teach you enough to make it clear anytime in the near future. I can safely say this because you seem to think that the fact that you are unaware of current root exploits that they don't exist. I assure you, this is not the case.
Except, its not in different universe. Its in fact its still on the same planet, just at the parking lot next door, now instead of being in a normal parking lot, its in a multidecked parking lot with a whole bunch of other cars they can break into at the same time because when you drive into this parking lot, everyone has to give the keys over to the parking attendant and trust that they will hold the keys securely.
You fail to understand how computers work and you suck at analogies.