Re: Shortcuts
* There's no way to create a shortcut on the desktop withotu navigating to a specific binaries directory and draging it. Having to open Naultilus and navigate to/usr/local/bin to create a Quake 3 link is fairly poor.
* There's now way to edit existing launchers.
* I was told both fo the above by a Ximian employee in monkeytalk after I wondered where these features had gone.
My GNOME is Ximian 1.4 with updates as of today on Linux, and regular GNOME 1.4 release on Solaris. And yes, Naultilus is still amazingly, unusably slow on both platforms.
GTKs cross platform bindings are in alpha for both Windows and BeOS. I think they might be for OSX too, but I'm not sure.
And yes, Galeon is good. Everything Mozilla should have been.
This isn't FUD. I use and like both, and I don't think GNOME is going to go away either. There's just going to be twenty times as many KDE users, who will still use a large amount of GTK based apps.
* Re: Moz stability. its also slow on Windows on an Athlonn 500 / 128, a Pii 400 w/ 128, a PII 300 running at 450 w/ 128. I've also ran it on my friends machines who are Mozilla fans and consider their installations to be fast. I still consider its GUI incredibly slow on these machines, and I think people who look and run mozilla objectively would agree.
* Re: bitching. The GNOME, alogn with KDE, and Linux, and other free software and Open Source projects aim to compete with closed source counterparts. They compare themselves to their equivalents and I have the right to as well. Nobody makes a good user interface who thinks that users pick apps based on price rather than quality. This, believe it or not, is a contribution.
* Yes, media players suck, but there is a MS standard UI `skin' for media player to, and just because they make some bad choices does it mean that OSS is excused.
Okay, I'll contribute my $0.02. I use KDE and GNOME's latest released frequently throughout my day between four machines across Linux and Solaris, simply because I like to stay current on these things.
As of right now:
KDE has a current stable release that's around two months old. GNOME has a current release that's unstable, and a stable release that's a year and a half old and not particularly capable. Again, on the same note,KDE has a working stable file manager and browser. Nautilus is still massively screwed, Mozilla is slow on an Athlon 900 machine with 384MB RAM, and this is at a 0.91 stage - a little to late to be worried about stability concerns. Galeon, unlike the rest, works properly, but still isn't finished. And GMC is...well, you know GMC.
KDE's desktop can create shortcuts. GNOME's used to be able to do this, but the Nautilus developers decided software antialiasing was more important than the ability to create a launcher without a text editor. This is a bizarre and unusual concept of usability.
Although GTK will be around for a while, QTs cross platform (X,Framebuffer,Win32,Quartz) capabilities make it very popular for anyone writing cross platform apps.
GNOME still doesn't present the window management / desktop as seemlesly as KDE does. End users don't see why they have to configure their look and feel from more than one place. The GNOME control center's `apply' `warning you made changes!' is unnecessarily scary. Sawfishs meta options aren't GNOME ones, and theres still much duplication in functionality between the two.
AFAIK there's no GNOME application design guidelines similar to the Windows / MacOS / KDE ones. Feel free to correct me otherwise.
Outside the Unix world (which is the world Linux needs to win over for the World Domination), C++ is vastly more popular than C - not that QT doesn't work with C (or that GTK doesn't work with C++ for that matter).
Both are severely broken in that they don't work with each other properly, and GTK/QT apps pened in KDE/GNOME look and work poorly. Not that they're in the menus to find or anything...
And both can't install standard packages graphically in a useable way (ie, multiple packages, retrievable from multiple sources with dependencies). GNOME's actually much better in this regard than KDE with Red Carpet, but I' not sure how easy it is for third partis to create Red Carpet `channels'.
it seems like building from source would screw up RPM dependencies, and you'd have to use --force or --nodeps to install all X apps. Is that the case?
No, it isn't. You should first turn your source ionto an SRPM, then compile that. If you've got the knowledge to do the compile, you've got the knowledge to know how to create packages. Check out www.freshrpms.net for some good examples of spec file tutorials.
The licence is intended to mean that people can use (which includes modify or patch or tune, as seen fit) IPFilter as found within FreeBSD/NetBSD for whatever purpose they desire - so long as the conditions (due credit and the notice) are met.
Cool. So can someone modify IPFilter as found within FreeBSD/NetBSD for the purpose of running well on OpenBSD or not?
And what I said is just slang for "you were not talking about anything".
It's not common slang, either in the world or in most popular US culture, apart from stuff that refences people that chew tobacco. Its a double negative that makes little sense.
You may have thought "that mechanics dont often dont realize", but what you ended up saying is "mechanics should not be the only ones to drive cars".
Its an allegory. Deal with it.
That has a more open meaning, to which leaves open the reasonable question: "Well who makes the decision to allow non-mechanics to drive cars?".
The people designing the cars. I.e., mechanics (or vehicle engineers). Its not much of question since the answer is obvious.
Hahahah. But my *statement* was that "big business and corporations dont want any one to be a mechanic". This statement was not a response to your statement, my response was given above this ("mechanics are not trying to prevent...").
Or perhaps you responded many times. I'll respond to what you call your own response: mechanics do prevent ordinary joes from driving, in the case of computers. Ever noticed how a Linux desktop often seems to sort apps based on toolkit religion rather than whaty they actually do?
This is not an art gallery, where people look at your artwork and have to guess what meaning you are trying to convey.
Its a very basic allegory. Deal with it. As opposed to me `not saying shit', which is double negative. This is not a triler park, where people hear your nonsensical concept of `slang'.
Obviously you have diffrent standards to what is misleading.
I have common standards. People ask others `how to I install Linux'. Its reasonable to respond with an article called `How to Install Linux'. Its practical that you don't show someone how to install three hundred distributions. Its also clever that you tell them that there's others out there.
Their silly like that. Can i borrow their 'silly' some time?:-)
WTF does bootcamp have to do with the use of the word linux as being misleading?
No, it was a response to your OTT rant about MS counting bug reports.
Since there are so many, how about if you name these few, instead of talking out your ass.
Christ, I know the major distros and I hope you would if you're so confident in your opinions. If you really want me to list
Red Hat 5.0 - 7.1
Mandrake 5.3 - 8.0
Debian 2.0 - current unstable
Progeny 1.0
Stormix 1.0
Suse 6.x and 7.x
Various incarnations of e-smith
SGI Linux, which I'm using now
Astaro Security Linux
Various Turbo releases.
How often do you try them? Every time a new version comes out, or do you wait a couple of versions.
I try and stay current, because people ask me questions about current distros, and I'm often paid to review new releases. My work also takes me to places with all sorts of odd distros. Today I dealt with Debian, SGI, Red Hat, and SuSE. They're generally updated to the current or second from current release for security reasons.
I'll admit it, even though it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Good, because you were making such as fuss about my language dancing skills.
Fine, you had your show and tell time.
No, I responded to your hilarious dance act insult.
Now have a seat, I will not ask again what this has to do with me calling you a red(mond)-neck.
You know what it does. Though evidently you were trolling rather than expressing a genuinely held opinion.
Wow, you really know how to speak generally. Lets be a little more specific. When do you prefer Linux and when do you prefer Windows?
I like to think I choose the best tool for the job. Red Hat, SGI or e-smith are maintainable and useable . I wouldn't install Linux on any family members computers, because those darn mechanics keep designing for other mechanics, though they are supposedly aiming for Joe Driver. Hence my point.
After all the only reason I did it was to get you ticked off, and aparently it does offend you. Its all we have been talking about for a while now, after all. Its like calling someone a Gay, they get all offended.
Especially with a capitial G. I hang around with with gay people and haven't got offended on the odd occasiona I've beem mistakenly assumed to be gay, judging by the company I keep. I do however get offended when someone insults me, and stupid people generally use the term `gay' as an insult. Likewise, trolls on Slashdot seem to use `red(mond_ neck' as an insult. I'm trying to have an argument with you. You responded by being a child. Grow up.
And finally whats in an account? Do I need an account to talk to you?
You need an account to proove you're someone who stands by your opinions and actually believes what you say, rather than an idiot who trolls because they've got nothing better to do.
Folks, it is not for us to tell the author of ANY code what he can or cannot do with it
Yes, but it is alleged that DR has repeatedly referred to IPF as Open Source, which is plainly false. Combined with the fact that `you must credit the authors when distributing the work does not logically `clarify' to `you may not distribute modified versions of this work without my permissions, two scenarios are possible:
1. The license was changed recently
2. The license was always the way it was and the author was not telling the truth about what the license meant and not bothering to correct false assumptions.
You didnt talk for shit, That's not a sentence either (and you call *me* a redneck),:-) but I'll spell it out for you.
I talked about Open Source developers often failing to realize that most people do not know or care about the internals of the machine
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"Mechanics shouldn't be the only people to drive cars..."
you ranting that the big evil corporations who eat orphans take away that control
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"On the other hand, big business and corporations try to prevent any one from being a mechanic."
Simple, isnt it? Yes, and its exactly what I posted. You don't quite seem to undertsand it though. That's okay, you seem a little simple yourself.
Er, no. If the article is titled `how to Install Linux'
Yeah but the title we are talking about is not "How to install linux, in this case we will use Redhat Linux", it was just plain "how to install linux".
Yes, exactly, you stupid fuck. I have never talked about an article entitled "How to install linux, in this case we will use Redhat Linux", I have spoken about an article entitled how to install linux" which mentions in its introduction that it will be Red Hat based. Read what I write before you respond.
if they are comparing Linux with Apache and Windows with IIS, then they are comparing apples and oranges
In your opinion. But based on the fact that most comparisions are of the Windows + IIS to Linux + Apache type, most people would disagree. This is good thing, as you are an idiot.
Apache is more then likely going to communicate and use the kernel and less of any additional changes that redhat Debian or any other distribution would make.
Complete sentences. Please. You can if you try. I believe in you.
I have a better example of what is misleading.
I do too, there was this time at band camp, where...wait! That doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with this agument at all!
Have you tried every distribution's (or in your words "Linux kernel based OS"'s) installer before,
No, and my statement is not misleading. I have tried every distribution with an installer considered remotely usable by just about everyone. Gregs I Wrote This in My Back Yard Linux distro is of no concern to me. Find me a distro you consider easy that I haven't tried.
since you tried one or a few then they must all be the same?
One or two? Linux is my career. I've tried about fifteen distributions of Linux and more of other Unix-like OSs.
You certianly know how to dance around an issue, I'll give you that.
What? I said work, you made a mistake and thought I meant `workplace'. Admit it.
WTF does this have to do with me calling you a red(mond)-neck?
Its a response to you telling me that of course you didn't know what I used in my workplace. I illustrated the difference between work (verb) and workplace (noun).
And you still keep calling me a Red(mond) (ba boom ching!) neck despite the fact you know I don't flatly prefer Windows to Linux.
some how we went from them not wanting any one to be a mechanic, to them trying to make it easy?
That's not a sentence, but I guess what you're trying to say. And no `we' didn't. I talked about Open Source developers often failing to realize that most people do not know or care about the internals of the machine, to you ranting that the big evil coporation who eat orphans take away that control, to me saying to the corporations do not take away that control.
get mislead to what it means?
Er, no. If the aritcle is titled `how to Install Linux' and says in its into `in this case, we'll be using Red hat', I don't find it misleading at all. Do you get misled by articles which talk about Linux VS Windows web server performance, rather than Linux + GNU + BSD + Apache + a thousand other packages? No, because using the term `Linux' has become synonymous with Linux kernel based OSs.
I said nothing about what you use at your work.
Work is a verb, and occasionaly a noun. My wording "in my day to day work" indicated I meant it in the common sense - as a verb. You're working `at your work' means you don't understand English. Which isn't exactly news.
Next time, post with your account, bitch.:-) Have nice day.
Their current CEO switches between both names. Their previous CEO is the one who started using `SGI' and never used `Silicon Graphics' to describe the company ever.
While we're on the topic of changes at SGI, I'm reminded of the old cube logo (which Slashdot still use) which (along with Suns logo) has to be one of the nicest corporate logos ever (though I'm not sure if Silicon Graphics actually invented it.
Regardless...erm... I'd like a nice high res SGI cube to use as my wallpaper on my XFS/DevFS RH 7.1 machines. Anyone know where I can get one?:)
You make it sound like they dont care if it is easy for others to look at and understand their "vast knowledge blah blah blah"
Erm, blah blah blah? "Vast knowledge" was the only thing I mentioned. "their efforts to make things easier " would generally seem to imply that they are making efforts to make things easier.
Have you ever seen instructions on "how to install linux"
Yes, many times. Insttructions labelled how to install Linux which go through the processes of installing one or more Linux flavors (which are also sometimes called "linuxes':). Try linux.com for some examples of this common useage. Or kernel.org URL, for that matter. Or the front page of Slashdot, tho obviously you haven't been paying much attention there.
WTF are you talking about?
Erm the "Redmond" statement? Which you repeat again above.
How is this a clarification? The paragraph didn't exist at all in the previous versions. The license people agreed to when using previous versions did not include this restrictipon, though Darren may have wanted it to be there.
Just because he's added it there now and *wanted* it to be there all along isn't a clarification of the license, its a modification of the license to suit the authors long term intentions.
The software now does not meet any of the FSF free doms and also the Open Source Definition.
And yes, the OpenBSD team is having trouble with the license already.
Mechanics are not trying to prevent normal people from driving. On the other hand, big business and corporations try to prevent any one from being a mechanic.
Which big businesses? Which corporations? All of them? Generally I find most big business already produce pretty complex products, and none of their efforts to make things easier for people who don't have or want the ability to learn vast quantities of specialized knowledge mask the internals of their OSs for those who know the guts of what they are doing.
Linux is not an installer,
Linux is an OS of which an installer is part. According to common usage. Its a kernel too, but the common usage (on this site and most other places too) is as an OS.
What a red(mond)-neck.
Christ. You think that just because I criticise Linux I use Windows in my day to day work? And you know what they say about assumption?
s there a lot of revisionist history going on in this one? I'm not going to spend a single penny on it, but it would be interesting to know.
I don't know, but after U 571 and Saving Private Ryan, it wouldn't surprise me if the film was another pro US self contratulatory backslapping session, passing itself off as historical and pissing off a lot of people who know it to be severely factually incorrrect.
Given the curent relationship of the rest of the world and the US right now, I'm surprised someone's decided to show this in Australian cinemas, and predict that locally, it will die a short death.
I have to install a commercial application on one of my servers. The application refuses to locate itself anywhere other than under the/usr tree,
You didn't say whether the program was Open Source or proprietary, just that it was commercial. However, I'll assume that like most slashdotters you've never looked up the dictionary definition of commercial, or the Free Software Foundations confusing words list, and mean `closed source' instead. In reality a programs status as Free Software or Open Source or otherwise has no bearing on whether it is commercial or not.
Either way, whether its pay per license proprietary software or Open / Free software that is produced for commercial reasons (meaning a support contract is avaliable), complain to your vendor.
The FHS specifies RPM 3.05 as the (current) standard for installing software on Linux systems. nearly everyone who provides software on Linux (Open or proprietary) provides packages in this form, and the overwhelming majority of users use them. Get your moneys worth (either from licensing if its a closed source or support agreements otherwise) and tell the vendor you want packages.
Where to put the app is another argument. I have no problem with a packaged app that wants to live in/usr. being `part of the OS' is fairly hard to determine on a platform without a standard distribution, and such arbitray information is useless to base a filesystem standard on.
I don't think any intelligenmt resizing (resampling) should be necessary. Games with brains (ie, Quake 3) render all their menus using the in game engine and freetype, making the menus appear the same at all resolutions.
Why aren't modern application toolkits the same way (okay, because the designers are lazy). Why are we still creating UIs in pixels - it makes as much sense as using the web without DNS (ie, making the users speak the computer language rather than the computer speak the suer language).
With a 1600 x 1200 desktop, life still isn't worth living in Linux, Win2K, or other OSs. There's this bizarre combination of controls for font size and icons size in different apps (which, due to a severely broken UI split in Linux which makes me configure everything in 2 places, makes it even harder on Linux), and that doesn't affect other things, like the gradients used on buttons and menus, and the titlebar for this theme. Opera (on all these platforms) is the only usable web browser due to its zoom option (and again the qualkity of the resampling isn't great).
*Everything* should be vector (UI, but SVG should be used as much as possible on web sites and browsers soon too).
This comment was posted in Mozilla 0.9, but retrospectively it was a poor decision as the browser will not let me use my left cursor key and is slow in a Athlon 900 w/ 384Mb RAM.
Why gives a damn about root compromises? Surely no applications on your sytem ever run as root? Since when does my FTP server need to be able to create files in/dev?
No wait, I forgot - most Unixes (apart from TrustedBSD, Solaris, Trix, etc) are still using a completely non secure non granular permission system - ie, in terms of security, a broken one.
Ever service a machine provides should run under an account with the same name with permissions to do what the program does and no more.
Capabilities can provide some of this function, but they still can't fix some aspects of this fundamentally broken system. Ie, I have some word processor documents stored on a server. Some users need to read and write the files, another group needs to read the files, and all other users should have no access at all. There are ways around this, but its hacky and makes the system much harder to administer, compared to a four line ACL.
The Linux ACL and Extended attributes program [google:) ] is trying to fix this, and is already being used in production systems. Butuntil its in the kernel nothing is being written for it and there's still vast quantities of broken applications.
And while we're on the topic: please don't ever assume UID 0 belongs to an account called root (apps, not documentation). Drone about STO all you want, but obscurity as a layer on top of real security simply does slow crackers down. Haven't you ever used a honeypot?
There are a whole lot of individuals, and each of them has separate views on the subject of commercial software.
I'm honestly yet to meet an OSS or FS developer who worries about whether something is commercial or not. Most worry about whether something is OSS or FS, or proprietary. Most OSS projects move between being non commercial and commercial with little concern on anyones behalf.
I work for a company (see link above) with about thirty sys admin / developer types, most of whom contribute in some form to free software, either by starting projects, documenting them, or taking time out of their week to help out our very large local LUG.
The SysAdmins make money from dealing with a combo of free and proprietary software and the developers typically are paid to develop proprietary software, unfortunately. Neither group has any qualms about doing so.
I'd get SSL_Connect errors whenever I tried to do an update from a gateway machine. Updating up2date (and python-xmlrpc) manually fixed it.
What up2date *really* needs is a way to point it at third party, unsupported package repository (like freshrpms.net or falsehope.com) and use as a general software installer.
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Re: Shortcuts /usr/local/bin to create a Quake 3 link is fairly poor.
* There's no way to create a shortcut on the desktop withotu navigating to a specific binaries directory and draging it. Having to open Naultilus and navigate to
* There's now way to edit existing launchers.
* I was told both fo the above by a Ximian employee in monkeytalk after I wondered where these features had gone.
My GNOME is Ximian 1.4 with updates as of today on Linux, and regular GNOME 1.4 release on Solaris. And yes, Naultilus is still amazingly, unusably slow on both platforms.
GTKs cross platform bindings are in alpha for both Windows and BeOS. I think they might be for OSX too, but I'm not sure.
And yes, Galeon is good. Everything Mozilla should have been.
This isn't FUD. I use and like both, and I don't think GNOME is going to go away either. There's just going to be twenty times as many KDE users, who will still use a large amount of GTK based apps.
* Re: Moz stability. its also slow on Windows on an Athlonn 500 / 128, a Pii 400 w/ 128, a PII 300 running at 450 w/ 128. I've also ran it on my friends machines who are Mozilla fans and consider their installations to be fast. I still consider its GUI incredibly slow on these machines, and I think people who look and run mozilla objectively would agree.
* Re: bitching. The GNOME, alogn with KDE, and Linux, and other free software and Open Source projects aim to compete with closed source counterparts. They compare themselves to their equivalents and I have the right to as well. Nobody makes a good user interface who thinks that users pick apps based on price rather than quality. This, believe it or not, is a contribution.
* Yes, media players suck, but there is a MS standard UI `skin' for media player to, and just because they make some bad choices does it mean that OSS is excused.
* Yes, but before Linux runs the world there is.
Okay, I'll contribute my $0.02. I use KDE and GNOME's latest released frequently throughout my day between four machines across Linux and Solaris, simply because I like to stay current on these things.
As of right now:
KDE has a current stable release that's around two months old. GNOME has a current release that's unstable, and a stable release that's a year and a half old and not particularly capable. Again, on the same note,KDE has a working stable file manager and browser. Nautilus is still massively screwed, Mozilla is slow on an Athlon 900 machine with 384MB RAM, and this is at a 0.91 stage - a little to late to be worried about stability concerns. Galeon, unlike the rest, works properly, but still isn't finished. And GMC is...well, you know GMC.
KDE's desktop can create shortcuts. GNOME's used to be able to do this, but the Nautilus developers decided software antialiasing was more important than the ability to create a launcher without a text editor. This is a bizarre and unusual concept of usability.
Although GTK will be around for a while, QTs cross platform (X,Framebuffer,Win32,Quartz) capabilities make it very popular for anyone writing cross platform apps.
GNOME still doesn't present the window management / desktop as seemlesly as KDE does. End users don't see why they have to configure their look and feel from more than one place. The GNOME control center's `apply' `warning you made changes!' is unnecessarily scary. Sawfishs meta options aren't GNOME ones, and theres still much duplication in functionality between the two.
AFAIK there's no GNOME application design guidelines similar to the Windows / MacOS / KDE ones. Feel free to correct me otherwise.
Outside the Unix world (which is the world Linux needs to win over for the World Domination), C++ is vastly more popular than C - not that QT doesn't work with C (or that GTK doesn't work with C++ for that matter).
Both are severely broken in that they don't work with each other properly, and GTK/QT apps pened in KDE/GNOME look and work poorly. Not that they're in the menus to find or anything...
And both can't install standard packages graphically in a useable way (ie, multiple packages, retrievable from multiple sources with dependencies). GNOME's actually much better in this regard than KDE with Red Carpet, but I' not sure how easy it is for third partis to create Red Carpet `channels'.
I'd respond if that sentence made sense.
The job of the astroturfer is to set up a fake grass-roots campaign by spreading his employer's propaganda wherever he goes.
Yes, but you've just said he isn't employed. Don't let logic spoil your day though.
it seems like building from source would screw up RPM dependencies, and you'd have to use --force or --nodeps to install all X apps. Is that the case?
No, it isn't. You should first turn your source ionto an SRPM, then compile that. If you've got the knowledge to do the compile, you've got the knowledge to know how to create packages. Check out www.freshrpms.net for some good examples of spec file tutorials.
Otherwise, wait for someone else's packages.
The licence is intended to mean that people can use (which includes modify or patch or tune, as seen fit) IPFilter as found within FreeBSD/NetBSD for whatever purpose they desire - so long as the conditions (due credit and the notice) are met.
Cool. So can someone modify IPFilter as found within FreeBSD/NetBSD for the purpose of running well on OpenBSD or not?
Umm, Win2K doesn't require reboots anymore for networking
No. Windows 2000 doesn't require rebooting for changing one's IP address it. Requires rebooting for every other optionsin Control Panel -> Network.
And what I said is just slang for "you were not talking about anything".
:-)
It's not common slang, either in the world or in most popular US culture, apart from stuff that refences people that chew tobacco. Its a double negative that makes little sense.
You may have thought "that mechanics dont often dont realize", but what you ended up saying is "mechanics should not be the only ones to drive cars".
Its an allegory. Deal with it.
That has a more open meaning, to which leaves open the reasonable question: "Well who makes the decision to allow non-mechanics to drive cars?".
The people designing the cars. I.e., mechanics (or vehicle engineers). Its not much of question since the answer is obvious.
Hahahah. But my *statement* was that "big business and corporations dont want any one to be a mechanic". This statement was not a response to your statement, my response was given above this ("mechanics are not trying to prevent...").
Or perhaps you responded many times. I'll respond to what you call your own response: mechanics do prevent ordinary joes from driving, in the case of computers. Ever noticed how a Linux desktop often seems to sort apps based on toolkit religion rather than whaty they actually do?
This is not an art gallery, where people look at your artwork and have to guess what meaning you are trying to convey.
Its a very basic allegory. Deal with it. As opposed to me `not saying shit', which is double negative. This is not a triler park, where people hear your nonsensical concept of `slang'.
Obviously you have diffrent standards to what is misleading.
I have common standards. People ask others `how to I install Linux'. Its reasonable to respond with an article called `How to Install Linux'. Its practical that you don't show someone how to install three hundred distributions. Its also clever that you tell them that there's others out there.
Their silly like that.
Can i borrow their 'silly' some time?
WTF does bootcamp have to do with the use of the word linux as being misleading?
No, it was a response to your OTT rant about MS counting bug reports.
Since there are so many, how about if you name these few, instead of talking out your ass.
Christ, I know the major distros and I hope you would if you're so confident in your opinions. If you really want me to list
Red Hat 5.0 - 7.1
Mandrake 5.3 - 8.0
Debian 2.0 - current unstable
Progeny 1.0
Stormix 1.0
Suse 6.x and 7.x
Various incarnations of e-smith
SGI Linux, which I'm using now
Astaro Security Linux
Various Turbo releases.
How often do you try them? Every time a new version comes out, or do you wait a couple of versions.
I try and stay current, because people ask me questions about current distros, and I'm often paid to review new releases. My work also takes me to places with all sorts of odd distros. Today I dealt with Debian, SGI, Red Hat, and SuSE. They're generally updated to the current or second from current release for security reasons.
I'll admit it, even though it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Good, because you were making such as fuss about my language dancing skills.
Fine, you had your show and tell time.
No, I responded to your hilarious dance act insult.
Now have a seat, I will not ask again what this has to do with me calling you a red(mond)-neck.
You know what it does. Though evidently you were trolling rather than expressing a genuinely held opinion.
Wow, you really know how to speak generally. Lets be a little more specific. When do you prefer Linux and when do you prefer Windows?
I like to think I choose the best tool for the job. Red Hat, SGI or e-smith are maintainable and useable . I wouldn't install Linux on any family members computers, because those darn mechanics keep designing for other mechanics, though they are supposedly aiming for Joe Driver. Hence my point.
After all the only reason I did it was to get you ticked off, and aparently it does offend you. Its all we have been talking about for a while now, after all. Its like calling someone a Gay, they get all offended.
Especially with a capitial G. I hang around with with gay people and haven't got offended on the odd occasiona I've beem mistakenly assumed to be gay, judging by the company I keep. I do however get offended when someone insults me, and stupid people generally use the term `gay' as an insult. Likewise, trolls on Slashdot seem to use `red(mond_ neck' as an insult. I'm trying to have an argument with you. You responded by being a child. Grow up.
And finally whats in an account? Do I need an account to talk to you?
You need an account to proove you're someone who stands by your opinions and actually believes what you say, rather than an idiot who trolls because they've got nothing better to do.
Folks, it is not for us to tell the author of ANY code what he can or cannot do with it
Yes, but it is alleged that DR has repeatedly referred to IPF as Open Source, which is plainly false. Combined with the fact that `you must credit the authors when distributing the work does not logically `clarify' to `you may not distribute modified versions of this work without my permissions, two scenarios are possible:
1. The license was changed recently
2. The license was always the way it was and the author was not telling the truth about what the license meant and not bothering to correct false assumptions.
You didnt talk for shit, :-) but I'll spell it out for you.
That's not a sentence either (and you call *me* a redneck),
I talked about Open Source developers often failing to realize that most people do not know or care about the internals of the machine
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"Mechanics shouldn't be the only people to drive cars..."
you ranting that the big evil corporations who eat orphans take away that control
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"On the other hand, big business and corporations try to prevent any one from being a mechanic."
Simple, isnt it?
Yes, and its exactly what I posted. You don't quite seem to undertsand it though. That's okay, you seem a little simple yourself.
Er, no. If the article is titled `how to Install Linux'
Yeah but the title we are talking about is not "How to install linux, in this case we will use Redhat Linux", it was just plain "how to install linux".
Yes, exactly, you stupid fuck. I have never talked about an article entitled "How to install linux, in this case we will use Redhat Linux", I have spoken about an article entitled how to install linux" which mentions in its introduction that it will be Red Hat based. Read what I write before you respond.
if they are comparing Linux with Apache and Windows with IIS, then they are comparing apples and oranges
In your opinion. But based on the fact that most comparisions are of the Windows + IIS to Linux + Apache type, most people would disagree. This is good thing, as you are an idiot.
Apache is more then likely going to communicate and use the kernel and less of any additional changes that redhat Debian or any other distribution would make.
Complete sentences. Please. You can if you try. I believe in you.
I have a better example of what is misleading.
I do too, there was this time at band camp, where...wait! That doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with this agument at all!
Have you tried every distribution's (or in your words "Linux kernel based OS"'s) installer before,
No, and my statement is not misleading. I have tried every distribution with an installer considered remotely usable by just about everyone. Gregs I Wrote This in My Back Yard Linux distro is of no concern to me. Find me a distro you consider easy that I haven't tried.
since you tried one or a few then they must all be the same?
One or two? Linux is my career. I've tried about fifteen distributions of Linux and more of other Unix-like OSs.
You certianly know how to dance around an issue, I'll give you that.
What? I said work, you made a mistake and thought I meant `workplace'. Admit it.
WTF does this have to do with me calling you a red(mond)-neck?
Its a response to you telling me that of course you didn't know what I used in my workplace. I illustrated the difference between work (verb) and workplace (noun).
And you still keep calling me a Red(mond) (ba boom ching!) neck despite the fact you know I don't flatly prefer Windows to Linux.
Be a man. Use your account.
some how we went from them not wanting any one to be a mechanic, to them trying to make it easy?
:-) Have nice day.
That's not a sentence, but I guess what you're trying to say. And no `we' didn't. I talked about Open Source developers often failing to realize that most people do not know or care about the internals of the machine, to you ranting that the big evil coporation who eat orphans take away that control, to me saying to the corporations do not take away that control.
get mislead to what it means?
Er, no. If the aritcle is titled `how to Install Linux' and says in its into `in this case, we'll be using Red hat', I don't find it misleading at all. Do you get misled by articles which talk about Linux VS Windows web server performance, rather than Linux + GNU + BSD + Apache + a thousand other packages? No, because using the term `Linux' has become synonymous with Linux kernel based OSs.
I said nothing about what you use at your work.
Work is a verb, and occasionaly a noun. My wording "in my day to day work" indicated I meant it in the common sense - as a verb. You're working `at your work' means you don't understand English. Which isn't exactly news.
Next time, post with your account, bitch.
Their current CEO switches between both names. Their previous CEO is the one who started using `SGI' and never used `Silicon Graphics' to describe the company ever.
:)
While we're on the topic of changes at SGI, I'm reminded of the old cube logo (which Slashdot still use) which (along with Suns logo) has to be one of the nicest corporate logos ever (though I'm not sure if Silicon Graphics actually invented it.
Regardless...erm... I'd like a nice high res SGI cube to use as my wallpaper on my XFS/DevFS RH 7.1 machines. Anyone know where I can get one?
You make it sound like they dont care if it is easy for others to look at and understand their "vast knowledge blah blah blah"
:). Try linux.com for some examples of this common useage. Or kernel.org URL, for that matter. Or the front page of Slashdot, tho obviously you haven't been paying much attention there.
Erm, blah blah blah? "Vast knowledge" was the only thing I mentioned. "their efforts to make things easier " would generally seem to imply that they are making efforts to make things easier.
Have you ever seen instructions on "how to install linux"
Yes, many times. Insttructions labelled how to install Linux which go through the processes of installing one or more Linux flavors (which are also sometimes called "linuxes'
WTF are you talking about?
Erm the "Redmond" statement? Which you repeat again above.
You sir, are a fucking idiot.
If you're running OpenBSD, you don't need cracker insurance.
Er, no. If you're running OpenBSD in the default install, which few if any people do you don't need cracker insurance.
On the other hand, say you forgot to apply the FTP globbing patch to your OpenBSD FTP server, then you probably do.
How is this a clarification? The paragraph didn't exist at all in the previous versions. The license people agreed to when using previous versions did not include this restrictipon, though Darren may have wanted it to be there.
Just because he's added it there now and *wanted* it to be there all along isn't a clarification of the license, its a modification of the license to suit the authors long term intentions.
The software now does not meet any of the FSF free doms and also the Open Source Definition.
And yes, the OpenBSD team is having trouble with the license already.
Mechanics are not trying to prevent normal people from driving. On the other hand, big business and corporations try to prevent any one from being a mechanic.
Which big businesses? Which corporations? All of them? Generally I find most big business already produce pretty complex products, and none of their efforts to make things easier for people who don't have or want the ability to learn vast quantities of specialized knowledge mask the internals of their OSs for those who know the guts of what they are doing.
Linux is not an installer,
Linux is an OS of which an installer is part. According to common usage. Its a kernel too, but the common usage (on this site and most other places too) is as an OS.
What a red(mond)-neck.
Christ. You think that just because I criticise Linux I use Windows in my day to day work? And you know what they say about assumption?
What a weak pathetic little fool.
s there a lot of revisionist history going on in this one? I'm not going to spend a single penny on it, but it would be interesting to know.
I don't know, but after U 571 and Saving Private Ryan, it wouldn't surprise me if the film was another pro US self contratulatory backslapping session, passing itself off as historical and pissing off a lot of people who know it to be severely factually incorrrect.
Given the curent relationship of the rest of the world and the US right now, I'm surprised someone's decided to show this in Australian cinemas, and predict that locally, it will die a short death.
I have to install a commercial application on one of my servers. The application refuses to locate itself anywhere other than under the /usr tree,
/usr. being `part of the OS' is fairly hard to determine on a platform without a standard distribution, and such arbitray information is useless to base a filesystem standard on.
You didn't say whether the program was Open Source or proprietary, just that it was commercial. However, I'll assume that like most slashdotters you've never looked up the dictionary definition of commercial, or the Free Software Foundations confusing words list, and mean `closed source' instead. In reality a programs status as Free Software or Open Source or otherwise has no bearing on whether it is commercial or not.
Either way, whether its pay per license proprietary software or Open / Free software that is produced for commercial reasons (meaning a support contract is avaliable), complain to your vendor.
The FHS specifies RPM 3.05 as the (current) standard for installing software on Linux systems. nearly everyone who provides software on Linux (Open or proprietary) provides packages in this form, and the overwhelming majority of users use them. Get your moneys worth (either from licensing if its a closed source or support agreements otherwise) and tell the vendor you want packages.
Where to put the app is another argument. I have no problem with a packaged app that wants to live in
I don't think any intelligenmt resizing (resampling) should be necessary. Games with brains (ie, Quake 3) render all their menus using the in game engine and freetype, making the menus appear the same at all resolutions.
Why aren't modern application toolkits the same way (okay, because the designers are lazy). Why are we still creating UIs in pixels - it makes as much sense as using the web without DNS (ie, making the users speak the computer language rather than the computer speak the suer language).
With a 1600 x 1200 desktop, life still isn't worth living in Linux, Win2K, or other OSs. There's this bizarre combination of controls for font size and icons size in different apps (which, due to a severely broken UI split in Linux which makes me configure everything in 2 places, makes it even harder on Linux), and that doesn't affect other things, like the gradients used on buttons and menus, and the titlebar for this theme. Opera (on all these platforms) is the only usable web browser due to its zoom option (and again the qualkity of the resampling isn't great).
*Everything* should be vector (UI, but SVG should be used as much as possible on web sites and browsers soon too).
This comment was posted in Mozilla 0.9, but retrospectively it was a poor decision as the browser will not let me use my left cursor key and is slow in a Athlon 900 w/ 384Mb RAM.
"price to pay for protecting children from the harmful effects of graphic pornographic images"
As opposed to those non-graphic images - they're fine.
Why gives a damn about root compromises? Surely no applications on your sytem ever run as root? Since when does my FTP server need to be able to create files in /dev?
:) ] is trying to fix this, and is already being used in production systems. Butuntil its in the kernel nothing is being written for it and there's still vast quantities of broken applications.
No wait, I forgot - most Unixes (apart from TrustedBSD, Solaris, Trix, etc) are still using a completely non secure non granular permission system - ie, in terms of security, a broken one.
Ever service a machine provides should run under an account with the same name with permissions to do what the program does and no more.
Capabilities can provide some of this function, but they still can't fix some aspects of this fundamentally broken system. Ie, I have some word processor documents stored on a server. Some users need to read and write the files, another group needs to read the files, and all other users should have no access at all. There are ways around this, but its hacky and makes the system much harder to administer, compared to a four line ACL.
The Linux ACL and Extended attributes program [google
And while we're on the topic: please don't ever assume UID 0 belongs to an account called root (apps, not documentation). Drone about STO all you want, but obscurity as a layer on top of real security simply does slow crackers down. Haven't you ever used a honeypot?
There are a whole lot of individuals, and each of them has separate views on the subject of commercial software.
I'm honestly yet to meet an OSS or FS developer who worries about whether something is commercial or not. Most worry about whether something is OSS or FS, or proprietary. Most OSS projects move between being non commercial and commercial with little concern on anyones behalf.
I work for a company (see link above) with about thirty sys admin / developer types, most of whom contribute in some form to free software, either by starting projects, documenting them, or taking time out of their week to help out our very large local LUG.
The SysAdmins make money from dealing with a combo of free and proprietary software and the developers typically are paid to develop proprietary software, unfortunately. Neither group has any qualms about doing so.
I'd get SSL_Connect errors whenever I tried to do an update from a gateway machine. Updating up2date (and python-xmlrpc) manually fixed it.
What up2date *really* needs is a way to point it at third party, unsupported package repository (like freshrpms.net or falsehope.com) and use as a general software installer.