So the examples you use are completely different from the big majority of religious people (which are Christians and Muslims)
Well... maybe. The God is the same, it doesn't matter if it's God, Alach or Krishna, it's just a name. But what differs it's the way how religions define him. Yogis believe that the God is everything as a whole. People, animals, air, water etc. They think of a world as a one organism. E.g. if you hurt a part of a body it's fuctionality will decrease. The Christianity, however, says that God is in a heaven and there's a Devil awaiting you for commited sins the hell too. Maybe the problem lies right here...
That reinforces my point that if religions are trying to teach a set of humble, generous values, then they aren't doing it very effectively.
Yeah. Back to my previous statement. The people don't care what is waiting for them after death (if it's waiting at all). That's the main problem of Christianity. The people want the effect now. This is where yogic philosphy really shines. If you'll massage a hurting leg or arm, whole organism will feel better. If you'll help your neighbour, you'll feel better too because he'll be in a better mood and you will too. That's is how people should be encouraged to do something good. Not be forced by some fear of hell and devil.
That's simple, actually. I think I exist, so I do. The circularity of that argument is no weakness. Regardless of what the definition of "existence" might turn out to be, we can show that some things meet it.
I could say the same about the existence of God;-)
It does not... the Christian Bible is full of examples of the rightness of killing and vengeance. However, even if I accepted that relgion attempts to teach love for others, a look around will tell you that it has failed. The USA is one of those most heavily Christian places on earth; especially according to its own president; and yet it also maintains the most powerful killing force this planet has ever seen.
Oh my, did I said something about specific religion (about Christianity in this case)? Can you give me the facts about the rightness of vengence and killing mentioned in a Bible? Do you see something common to religion when you think about those Cristians who think about God only on Sundays in a church? That's absolute nonsense. Either you do believe in God every minute of life or you don't at all. What I have in mind when I do talk about God and religion it's yogis. Not Christians, not Muslims... These modern religions aren't right, they tell do that and that, but don't even think about doing that because you'll commit a sin and you'll be burned in hell. That's absolutely wrong. In the past I've had a chance to communicate with priests but I was die hard atheist for many years. And later fate have droped a yogi in my way, who has achieved a Samadhi state (don't know how you call it in english). I've had a nice conversation with him for about 3 hours. We've talked about life, religion, philosphy etc. And this is when my point of view have turned 180 degrees. So arguments when talking about religion comes to a specific branch of religion (let's say Christianity) it makes me laugh. This is because of my own experience.
P.S. BTW, you have chosen probably the worst example of all Christian places in the world. The USA is known for it's commercial and economical achievements. There's a cult widely known as a money. Where the money is the highest worth of life there cannot be not even a drop of religion.
The fact that you're posting that ignorant comment means that neither you nor your parents died from a childhood disease. Thank a scientist.
Let's say I've thought that I could be infected with HIV and I've made a HIV test and it was negative. Say whatever you want but I'll thank the God for negative test's answer and certainly not some scientists who have created a way to check your condition.
OK, let's look at the other aspect and at your point of view. Science has got far in healing but the presence shows that it cannot heal us from all diseases and viruses. Why is so? Many modern viruses and diseases are new, they haven't existed in medieval ages. There are many speculations that they are human creations. HIV, SARS etc.. Thank a scientist.
And this is where religion comes in it's all beauty. Religion doesn't teach how to create a virus to kill, to revenge and so on. In oposite, it teaches us to love every man, every creation in this world. It gives us a belief. A man cannot live without any belief, even scientists have their own.
Religion doesn't negate a science, but for some reason science does. In science the meaning of 'to be' is the ability 'to prove'. I would like to ask if one cannot prove something it doesn't exist? We cannot even take for granted that the world exists unless we prove that it exists. One cannot prove one's own existence even. How do you know that you're existing? Where's the syllogism by which you have deduced the consequence of your existence from a premise? What is the proof that can be establish the truth of your own existence? Bring the argument and let us see waht it is that tells you that you really exist.
In fact, it's not likely that you had any siblings that died in infancy. Thank a scientist.
Or thank yourself instead. If you ever was interested in yogic philosphy you probably know what Karma is. You don't believe in it because one can't prove it, right? Why I'm not surprised... So what if you don't believe in it. This teory motivates you to be kind, to be helpful to your friends, family and all the other people.
Religion doesn't try to bite the science but unfortunatelly science tries to do that everytime. The point of my comment is that a war between science and religion is an evil game. The aim of science and religion is to help people to live. Religion is always helping. Science most of time also does it. Then why the **** it tries to deny the God even if this belief helps one when you're having hard time?! Why can't the science to cooperate with religion to improve the quality of human life? Why it has to satisfy it's own ego instead?
Rox Filer does that too and I have to say it became the prefered way I copy/moving my files. Actually I've never used drag'n'drop until I've tried the Rox Filer. You grab the file and just drag it over the directory, another window with that folder opened pops up and the you can just hold the file for a sec or so above the dir and it opens. It just rocks. And I don't know how those guys managed to achieve such performance in it. They got be crazy:)
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So the examples you use are completely different from the big majority of religious people (which are Christians and Muslims)
Well... maybe. The God is the same, it doesn't matter if it's God, Alach or Krishna, it's just a name. But what differs it's the way how religions define him. Yogis believe that the God is everything as a whole. People, animals, air, water etc. They think of a world as a one organism. E.g. if you hurt a part of a body it's fuctionality will decrease. The Christianity, however, says that God is in a heaven and there's a Devil awaiting you for commited sins the hell too. Maybe the problem lies right here...
That reinforces my point that if religions are trying to teach a set of humble, generous values, then they aren't doing it very effectively.
Yeah. Back to my previous statement. The people don't care what is waiting for them after death (if it's waiting at all). That's the main problem of Christianity. The people want the effect now. This is where yogic philosphy really shines. If you'll massage a hurting leg or arm, whole organism will feel better. If you'll help your neighbour, you'll feel better too because he'll be in a better mood and you will too. That's is how people should be encouraged to do something good. Not be forced by some fear of hell and devil.
That's simple, actually. I think I exist, so I do. The circularity of that argument is no weakness. Regardless of what the definition of "existence" might turn out to be, we can show that some things meet it.
I could say the same about the existence of God ;-)
It does not... the Christian Bible is full of examples of the rightness of killing and vengeance. However, even if I accepted that relgion attempts to teach love for others, a look around will tell you that it has failed. The USA is one of those most heavily Christian places on earth; especially according to its own president; and yet it also maintains the most powerful killing force this planet has ever seen.
Oh my, did I said something about specific religion (about Christianity in this case)? Can you give me the facts about the rightness of vengence and killing mentioned in a Bible? Do you see something common to religion when you think about those Cristians who think about God only on Sundays in a church? That's absolute nonsense. Either you do believe in God every minute of life or you don't at all. What I have in mind when I do talk about God and religion it's yogis. Not Christians, not Muslims... These modern religions aren't right, they tell do that and that, but don't even think about doing that because you'll commit a sin and you'll be burned in hell. That's absolutely wrong. In the past I've had a chance to communicate with priests but I was die hard atheist for many years. And later fate have droped a yogi in my way, who has achieved a Samadhi state (don't know how you call it in english). I've had a nice conversation with him for about 3 hours. We've talked about life, religion, philosphy etc. And this is when my point of view have turned 180 degrees. So arguments when talking about religion comes to a specific branch of religion (let's say Christianity) it makes me laugh. This is because of my own experience.
P.S. BTW, you have chosen probably the worst example of all Christian places in the world. The USA is known for it's commercial and economical achievements. There's a cult widely known as a money. Where the money is the highest worth of life there cannot be not even a drop of religion.
The fact that you're posting that ignorant comment means that neither you nor your parents died from a childhood disease. Thank a scientist.
Let's say I've thought that I could be infected with HIV and I've made a HIV test and it was negative. Say whatever you want but I'll thank the God for negative test's answer and certainly not some scientists who have created a way to check your condition.
OK, let's look at the other aspect and at your point of view. Science has got far in healing but the presence shows that it cannot heal us from all diseases and viruses. Why is so? Many modern viruses and diseases are new, they haven't existed in medieval ages. There are many speculations that they are human creations. HIV, SARS etc.. Thank a scientist.
And this is where religion comes in it's all beauty. Religion doesn't teach how to create a virus to kill, to revenge and so on. In oposite, it teaches us to love every man, every creation in this world. It gives us a belief. A man cannot live without any belief, even scientists have their own.
Religion doesn't negate a science, but for some reason science does. In science the meaning of 'to be' is the ability 'to prove'. I would like to ask if one cannot prove something it doesn't exist? We cannot even take for granted that the world exists unless we prove that it exists. One cannot prove one's own existence even. How do you know that you're existing? Where's the syllogism by which you have deduced the consequence of your existence from a premise? What is the proof that can be establish the truth of your own existence? Bring the argument and let us see waht it is that tells you that you really exist.
In fact, it's not likely that you had any siblings that died in infancy. Thank a scientist.
Or thank yourself instead. If you ever was interested in yogic philosphy you probably know what Karma is. You don't believe in it because one can't prove it, right? Why I'm not surprised... So what if you don't believe in it. This teory motivates you to be kind, to be helpful to your friends, family and all the other people.
Religion doesn't try to bite the science but unfortunatelly science tries to do that everytime. The point of my comment is that a war between science and religion is an evil game. The aim of science and religion is to help people to live. Religion is always helping. Science most of time also does it. Then why the **** it tries to deny the God even if this belief helps one when you're having hard time?! Why can't the science to cooperate with religion to improve the quality of human life? Why it has to satisfy it's own ego instead?
Rox Filer does that too and I have to say it became the prefered way I copy/moving my files. Actually I've never used drag'n'drop until I've tried the Rox Filer. You grab the file and just drag it over the directory, another window with that folder opened pops up and the you can just hold the file for a sec or so above the dir and it opens. It just rocks. And I don't know how those guys managed to achieve such performance in it. They got be crazy :)