I agree with you on the server end of course (you cant really disagree with something that can be proven though I guess so I didnt have a choice). I disagree with you on the desktop though. Linux is not "there yet". I run Linux at work and home. Ive used KDE since 97ish and I am VERY used to KDE. I have more KDE time in by now then I have Windows time in. As for a pure end user desktop though.....Windows feels better even though I do not know it nearly as well as I know Linux w/KDE. Linux is close, another year maybe 2 and KDE or Gnome or someone will prolly get it perfected but right now it is just not there.
And to relate this back to the original article in some fashion (MAC's) hasnt Linux surpassed Mac's for desktop usage now? (thought I read that somewhere but I could be wrong). If I am right about that then I think MAC OS would have to takeover the torch of the BOBBYIST OS.
Thats the thing. You have experience with SUN. you initially got that experience because you or someone above you at some point in your company history decided to look into SUN because SUN is KNOWN for business computing. Youve used them and you are a happy customer. Some people arent so happy. Same with Dell and Compaq and HP (BTW I have deployed hundreds of Dell 2u's and VERY rarely have I had a problem with their hardware). Some people like em, some people dont. When putting together a solution I might look to Dell first as I have had experience with them in large scale operations and a positive one at that. You might choose SUN for your next venture, someone else might choose Compaq and someone else IBM. People rarely choose Apple though becaue, well....they are known for making flavored copmuters and desktop publishing copmuters not business crucial servers.
On the less IT workers to run them. Come on lets be real, its just a fancy BSD box. Its BSD, its a nix, it takes as many people to run on average as pretty much anything else does. I would hazard to guess (no practical eperience with OSX really, so it is JUST a guess) that for the first time in Apple's history they have have a computer thats NOT the braindead users computer. Its NIX under there and to properly admin that in a workplace environment you have to treat it as you would ANY multi user networked OS whether it was Linux, Solaris, Winblows, AIX, FBSD it doesnt matter.
Its just another mac user upset that even with the G5 and NIX as the OS people still dont take MAC's seriously. They owe the credit for that to Apple management. Apple should have figured otu YEARS ago that making desktops on a proprietary hardware/software system just wont work. It hasnt worked on the desktop in I dont know how long and with PC hardware and Linux advances its starting to show signs that the server side equal to this model (SUN) may be an endangered species as well. Why lock yourself into a proprietary solution when the open standards one is just better or equally as good at the very least?
Bottum line is Apple's computers cost too much and are too proprietary to succeed in the modern business and even consumer market. MAC should have ditched the hardware and made the MAC OS for PC's a decade ago and they would prolly be competitive with MSFT.....or would have been a major party in the antitrust case at the least heh.
This might not be allowed so I might get flamed to hell and back but oh well. I started a petition aimed at the SEC, FTC, DOJ, and state AG's to hopefully prompt investigations into SCOX and the Canopy Group. Its at petitiononline.com, newly posted so not searcheable yet but direct link is www.petitiononline.com/notwosco/petition.html
I apologize if linking is frowned upon, I dont get time to read slashdot very often.
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I agree with you on the server end of course (you cant really disagree with something that can be proven though I guess so I didnt have a choice). I disagree with you on the desktop though. Linux is not "there yet". I run Linux at work and home. Ive used KDE since 97ish and I am VERY used to KDE. I have more KDE time in by now then I have Windows time in. As for a pure end user desktop though.....Windows feels better even though I do not know it nearly as well as I know Linux w/KDE. Linux is close, another year maybe 2 and KDE or Gnome or someone will prolly get it perfected but right now it is just not there. And to relate this back to the original article in some fashion (MAC's) hasnt Linux surpassed Mac's for desktop usage now? (thought I read that somewhere but I could be wrong). If I am right about that then I think MAC OS would have to takeover the torch of the BOBBYIST OS.
Thats the thing. You have experience with SUN. you initially got that experience because you or someone above you at some point in your company history decided to look into SUN because SUN is KNOWN for business computing. Youve used them and you are a happy customer. Some people arent so happy. Same with Dell and Compaq and HP (BTW I have deployed hundreds of Dell 2u's and VERY rarely have I had a problem with their hardware). Some people like em, some people dont. When putting together a solution I might look to Dell first as I have had experience with them in large scale operations and a positive one at that. You might choose SUN for your next venture, someone else might choose Compaq and someone else IBM. People rarely choose Apple though becaue, well....they are known for making flavored copmuters and desktop publishing copmuters not business crucial servers.
On the less IT workers to run them. Come on lets be real, its just a fancy BSD box. Its BSD, its a nix, it takes as many people to run on average as pretty much anything else does. I would hazard to guess (no practical eperience with OSX really, so it is JUST a guess) that for the first time in Apple's history they have have a computer thats NOT the braindead users computer. Its NIX under there and to properly admin that in a workplace environment you have to treat it as you would ANY multi user networked OS whether it was Linux, Solaris, Winblows, AIX, FBSD it doesnt matter.
Its just another mac user upset that even with the G5 and NIX as the OS people still dont take MAC's seriously. They owe the credit for that to Apple management. Apple should have figured otu YEARS ago that making desktops on a proprietary hardware/software system just wont work. It hasnt worked on the desktop in I dont know how long and with PC hardware and Linux advances its starting to show signs that the server side equal to this model (SUN) may be an endangered species as well. Why lock yourself into a proprietary solution when the open standards one is just better or equally as good at the very least?
Bottum line is Apple's computers cost too much and are too proprietary to succeed in the modern business and even consumer market. MAC should have ditched the hardware and made the MAC OS for PC's a decade ago and they would prolly be competitive with MSFT.....or would have been a major party in the antitrust case at the least heh.
This might not be allowed so I might get flamed to hell and back but oh well. I started a petition aimed at the SEC, FTC, DOJ, and state AG's to hopefully prompt investigations into SCOX and the Canopy Group. Its at petitiononline.com, newly posted so not searcheable yet but direct link is www.petitiononline.com/notwosco/petition.html
I apologize if linking is frowned upon, I dont get time to read slashdot very often.