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  1. Re:This has been done in Physics ... no panacea on New Ideas for Scientific Publishing Online · · Score: 1


    Why would an electronic archive be harder to maintain than a paper journal?


    The main reason is that paper lasts for several centuries before it must be copied. Electronic media last for a few years or a few decades -- we don't really know how long tapes, disks and even CDs will retain their information perfectly.

    Equally important is that (almost) every person has the software needed to interpret printed material built into his body. But electronic archives require a layer of software between the media and the person. The software changes every few years. The format of the data on the media changes every few years. The hardware required to run the software required to read the media changes every few years.

    You may say, "No -- just keep the old hardware and the old software for several decades, don't bother to update;" but that position doesn't work very well in practice. How many institutions can afford to keep 20-year-old computers and OSes and software running? And who would make the NEW literature available on the OLD media?

    It's a real mess. I believe that paper is still the best way -- by far -- to archive scientific journals for the long term.

  2. This has been done in Physics ... no panacea on New Ideas for Scientific Publishing Online · · Score: 5

    In the various subfields of Physics, this idea
    of a public "preprint server" has been implemented
    for some time: check out the Los Alamos
    Physics Preprint server.

    I've been active in research (astronomy) for
    the past ten years or so, and I've had many
    conversations with other researchers on the
    future of scientific publication. Some of the
    main points are:

    1. Review/moderation is necessary. There are
    a _lot_ of people who have crackpot theories
    about the universe, and some of them aren't
    shy. Without refereeing of some sort,
    the number of scientifically worthless --
    see definition below -- papers will grow to
    the point that they may swamp the worthwhile
    papers. At that point, many users will stop
    using the archive.

    Note on "scientifically worthless": science
    is an enterprise which depends on its
    workers to adhere to a set of rules, such
    as understanding basic physical principles,
    checking the existing literature, creating
    falsifiable hypotheses, verifying new
    results, repeating experiments, etc. Papers
    describing ideas which aren't developed
    along these rules are, by definition,
    scientifically worthless.

    2. Scientists depend on their publication
    records to land good jobs, and to advance
    in those jobs. At the moment, in astronomy,
    at least, the existing
    electronic archives are NOT viewed as
    "real publications". There's a little bit
    of a chicken-and-egg problem: until the
    electronic archives are taken seriously,
    many people won't publish in them
    exclusively. But if everyone publishes
    elsewhere, why take electronic archives
    seriously?

    3. Many people, myself included, worry a great
    deal about the use of electronic archives
    10 or 20 years hence. I have paged through
    bound journals dating back more than 100
    years, and used them occasionally in my
    research. I can interpret the information
    easily. But I don't think it will be an
    easy matter to keep electronic media up-to-
    date over a century. The librarians to whom
    I've talked are _very_ worried about this.

    Yes, I know that it may not be difficult
    in THEORY to copy old materials to new
    formats and new media every N years;
    but in practice, it's a royal pain. In an
    era of shrinking library budgets, it may
    become fiscally impossible.

    On the other hand, I do very much support the
    idea of "Open Source" publications. It will
    enable many more scientists to publish their
    ideas. In my field, for example, the authors
    have to pay the journals about $125 PER PAGE
    for the papers they publish. My last paper cost
    over $2000, and I had to pay for some of it
    myself (since I work at a small university that
    doesn't have a lot of money to support research).

    The tricky thing will be to find a mechanism
    which keeps the good points of the current
    scientific journal system, while avoid the
    pitfalls (some of which I've mentioned above).