...trying to accuse a journalist of stealing property (it was abandoned, therefore not stolen, plus he returned it to Apple)...
It was lost/forgotten, not purposefully "abandoned". If you're in a bar and you loose your wallet (which I did once), you are not abandoning it. Plus, the finder did not return it to Apple. Gizmodo did after disassembling it and taking and publishing pictures (trade secrets). Both Gizmodo and the fellow who found the phone should be prosecuted.
1. Then you shouldn't have gone to the "hell hole" in the first place.
2. It wasn't about what was 'safe' for you. It was about what would be safe for *everyone*. Not everyone has a death wish like you apparently do.
We *all* have attitudes. Jobs is Jobs. Jobs *has* made a significant mark in history, as has Bill Gates (who has his own attitude). Woz was the Apple techie. Jobs was (and is) the salesman much like Gates who essentially co-opted (for lack of a better word) C/PM. Credit where credit is due. Both Gates and Jobs were (and Jobs still is) great salesmen.
I'm happy to hear you do understand that you're not being forced to buy Apple products. But go ahead. Complain away about something you're really not interested in buying to begin with.
.... and how it can do everything a regular laptop can do only better.
I haven't heard that. I question your source(s). You must be listening to bullshitters. I've heard it's a big iPod or an iPhone without a phone or camera. No more, no less.
Define "Magic". Is there "Magic" at Disney World? My girl friend has told me I have something that does "Magic" for her, but she just won't explain to me what she's talking about;)
You must believe in advertisements (for any product) and the Tooth Fairy. It's a console for lack of a better analogy. A simple device. It's a step up from the Kindle Reader. I haven't seen the iPad advertised as anything is isn't. It's a big iPod as far as I can tell. It isn't much, I don't want one because I don't have a use for one, I have no plans to buy one, I don't even own an iPod or iPhone or iAnything other than an iMac. My iMac does what I want. No more, no less. The iPad is a basic device with limited capabilities. Anyone thinking otherwise isn't thinking. Just like the PC laptop on my desk and the PC tower on the desk behind me. I bought them according to what I wanted them for. No more, no less. They're not "big iron" mainframes. I don't need a "big iron" mainframe. While some people are calling the iPad "revolutionary' (I'm not in that category, but I do think they fill a niche and Apple will sell a lot of them), their opinion is no less important than yours. You don't think they're revolutionary and some others do. Big deal. Time will tell whether the iPad is "revolutionary" or not.
You also know what minimum level of CPU, GPU, and RAM to expect from a "2007 Mac" and an end user can understand this.
Same goes for Windows, it's just the minimum level is a bit lower since Apple doesn't make netbooks. The main difference however, is that Windows' costumer base includes a large segment who *knows* how to upgrade specific pieces of hardware.....
I only know one person who can do hardware upgrades other than myself. I'm not saying I know all that many people, but I would bet it would provide a reasonable sample. Realistically, as a percentage of total PC owners it is a very small % who can, or would even want to, work with their hardware upgrading or otherwise (such as putting in a bigger hard drive or more memory). Most of the people I know hardly know how to use the computer they have for much more than emails and such. A few others are a bit more savvy and are into video editing and such, but none are knowledgeable about hardware. When you say "...Windows' costumer (sic) base includes a large segment who *knows* how to upgrade...", what is your definition of "large segment"? Personally I replace my Macs about every 3 years and my PCs about every 5 years. I buy one with what I need to replace what I have with consideration to the state of the art at the time of purchase. I *can* do upgrades (believe me, I've done many over the years going back to the 1980s doing memory mods to my Amiga 1000 and adapting it to interface via SCSI), and I have built PCs from parts, but I think I'm in the vast majority who simply don't want to or need to. It's a brave, new century and people buy computers like the buy TVs. I've seen friends throw out perfectly good 2 and 3 year old computers because they were "broke" (Yeah, they told me after the fact and it's always unrelated to hardware - It's always something that I'm sure was just a virus issue). If I wanted something to tinker with I'd probably buy an old car (or get off my ass and do some work fixing this old house I live in up a bit). That's why the iPad is selling. *MOST* people buying them want a basic device they can use, not as a hobby. If it dies and is out of warranty they may buy another one (if they used it and liked it they will buy). Computing devices these days are a commodity more than they are for hobbyists.
Jobs doesn't see what people want, he tells them what they want.
None but a handful of people have actually wanted a tablet PC in the last 10 years. Jobs simply seems to know how to convince people they want something even if they don't really have any use for it.
WoW! People only see what Steve jobs wants them to see? And you're immune to Steve Jobs telling you what you want! Amazing! I wonder how many others out there are as good as you in resisting Steve Jobs? If Steve Jobs is *that* good at hypnotizing people, he's more than a visionary - He's a God of Mass Hypnosis! Either that or you simply think the majority of the population are idiots (which to some degree I tend to agree with, but that's beside the point).
Your reply makes absolutely no sense. You're a big boy. If you don't like Apple products don't buy them. No one is forcing you to. I think we all understand you have some free time on your hands and came to this discussion to bitch and complain about something you don't even own. You have been successful. Are you happy now?
> The iPad and iPhone never advertised nor implied that you could run any general user software.
Untrue. The specifically want people to believe this and while not explicitly stating
that this is the case clearly want their potential customers to understand this to be
the case....might be fertile ground for a big fat lawsuit.
Poppycock. You're saying Apple should make a big ol' list of things the iPad does not explicitly do. Now get a grip here - If I buy a Windows PC the manufacturer is not going to provide a big, long list of what that computer explicitly will NOT do. Apple has stated what the iPad *will* do. That's all that counts.
As is the case when anyone buys something after seeing an advertisement. It's not an issue of informed consent. People who not investigate (through spec sheets, reviews, etc.) what they plan to buy deserve exactly what they get. Saying Apple is preying on the clueless is silly.
> In terms of cars, it's like bitching that your ferrari doesn't have a trailer hitch. If you want to tow a boat, you don't get that car.
A Benz is quite capable of towing a small trailer actually.
A Benz is not a Ferrari, although if you've got the money for a Ferrari you've got the money to put a trailer hitch on it. I wonder how many Ferrari's in the world have hitches on them...
No one should pretend that the iPad is a real computer. That's tremendously dishonest.
Please define "real computer". Would it be an IBM System/370? The computer in my Bonneville? The computer in my microwave? The computer in my weather forecaster on my desk? The computer in my Mitsubishi ductless heat pump? The computer in my [very long list so why go on]? An iPad is a simple device. It has a computer in it as do many things. Some people call the iPod a computer. What's the big deal? Anyone who reads the specs knows whether they want one or not. Whether it is a computer by your definition or not it simply doesn't matter. What matters is: Does this device do what I want/need it to do for me? If it does and you can afford it you buy it. If it doesn't you don't buy it. End of story.
Another silly reply. The manufacturer is NOT actively preventing you from doing what ever you want with the hardware you buy. I've jtagged many ICs over the years and tapped into and changed code in many device chips. I've even changed the code in my Pontiac Bonneville's computer. If you want your timeclock to do something else you can do it if you have the knowledge, skills, abilities and tools. Once you buy any hardware/device you can do what ever you want with it as is the case with every electronic device including microwave ovens (as so many here are using as an example). You're probably not an electronics techie so you probably don't have the knowledge, skills, abilities and tools to do what many of us can. I suggest you go back to school.
Is Apple supposed to make it easy for you to do anything you want with the device?
If they want to sell it as a computer, yes, yes they are. It's an implicit part of the definition that the rest of the world has been working with for decades.
They're not selling it as a computer. They're selling it as a basic device with limited capabilities. It's not an "iComputer". It's just an iPad (a jumbo iPod). For you to categorize it as a computer is your own doing.
No one should pretend that this device is general purpose or even a general purpose web device.
As far as I can see no one is saying the iPad is anything other than a basic device with limited capabilities. No one is saying or 'pretending' anything else. What people here (obviously mostly techies) *are* doing is bitching because it's not what they, personally, want. Solution: Don't buy one.
That is just silly. You don't own one, you don't plan to ever buy one, yet you want to complain. Yes you have the right to complain, but it makes you look like a fool. Apple as a company doesn't operate the way YOU want it to so you're going to cry (complain) about it. Complain away. Check Apple stock prices. Many of us are perfectly happy with Apple in more ways than one.
One of the reasons I use Google is it filters out or degrades results from sites people like you "SEO" by gaming the system. Content and actual relevance are king. You give SEO a bad name. Not to mention your 'click fraud' statement has no basis in fact.
Best option for privacy is don't use the internet, a cell phone or copper line phone, a credit card(s), don't own property, do live in a cabin deep in a forest with no electricity, telephone or other communications device, and no road to it. And - Live alone.
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...trying to accuse a journalist of stealing property (it was abandoned, therefore not stolen, plus he returned it to Apple)...
It was lost/forgotten, not purposefully "abandoned". If you're in a bar and you loose your wallet (which I did once), you are not abandoning it. Plus, the finder did not return it to Apple. Gizmodo did after disassembling it and taking and publishing pictures (trade secrets). Both Gizmodo and the fellow who found the phone should be prosecuted.
Gizmodo was revealing Apple trade secrets and they knew it. Period. That's what this is about and we all know it. Gizmodo deserves what it gets.
1. Then you shouldn't have gone to the "hell hole" in the first place. 2. It wasn't about what was 'safe' for you. It was about what would be safe for *everyone*. Not everyone has a death wish like you apparently do.
They are able to come down slower than if both engines go out, but twin jets are not designed and rated for continuous flight on one engine.
We *all* have attitudes. Jobs is Jobs. Jobs *has* made a significant mark in history, as has Bill Gates (who has his own attitude). Woz was the Apple techie. Jobs was (and is) the salesman much like Gates who essentially co-opted (for lack of a better word) C/PM. Credit where credit is due. Both Gates and Jobs were (and Jobs still is) great salesmen.
I'm happy to hear you do understand that you're not being forced to buy Apple products. But go ahead. Complain away about something you're really not interested in buying to begin with.
.... and how it can do everything a regular laptop can do only better.
I haven't heard that. I question your source(s). You must be listening to bullshitters. I've heard it's a big iPod or an iPhone without a phone or camera. No more, no less.
Define "Magic". Is there "Magic" at Disney World? My girl friend has told me I have something that does "Magic" for her, but she just won't explain to me what she's talking about ;)
You must believe in advertisements (for any product) and the Tooth Fairy. It's a console for lack of a better analogy. A simple device. It's a step up from the Kindle Reader. I haven't seen the iPad advertised as anything is isn't. It's a big iPod as far as I can tell. It isn't much, I don't want one because I don't have a use for one, I have no plans to buy one, I don't even own an iPod or iPhone or iAnything other than an iMac. My iMac does what I want. No more, no less. The iPad is a basic device with limited capabilities. Anyone thinking otherwise isn't thinking. Just like the PC laptop on my desk and the PC tower on the desk behind me. I bought them according to what I wanted them for. No more, no less. They're not "big iron" mainframes. I don't need a "big iron" mainframe. While some people are calling the iPad "revolutionary' (I'm not in that category, but I do think they fill a niche and Apple will sell a lot of them), their opinion is no less important than yours. You don't think they're revolutionary and some others do. Big deal. Time will tell whether the iPad is "revolutionary" or not.
You also know what minimum level of CPU, GPU, and RAM to expect from a "2007 Mac" and an end user can understand this.
Same goes for Windows, it's just the minimum level is a bit lower since Apple doesn't make netbooks. The main difference however, is that Windows' costumer base includes a large segment who *knows* how to upgrade specific pieces of hardware.....
I only know one person who can do hardware upgrades other than myself. I'm not saying I know all that many people, but I would bet it would provide a reasonable sample. Realistically, as a percentage of total PC owners it is a very small % who can, or would even want to, work with their hardware upgrading or otherwise (such as putting in a bigger hard drive or more memory). Most of the people I know hardly know how to use the computer they have for much more than emails and such. A few others are a bit more savvy and are into video editing and such, but none are knowledgeable about hardware. When you say "...Windows' costumer (sic) base includes a large segment who *knows* how to upgrade...", what is your definition of "large segment"? Personally I replace my Macs about every 3 years and my PCs about every 5 years. I buy one with what I need to replace what I have with consideration to the state of the art at the time of purchase. I *can* do upgrades (believe me, I've done many over the years going back to the 1980s doing memory mods to my Amiga 1000 and adapting it to interface via SCSI), and I have built PCs from parts, but I think I'm in the vast majority who simply don't want to or need to. It's a brave, new century and people buy computers like the buy TVs. I've seen friends throw out perfectly good 2 and 3 year old computers because they were "broke" (Yeah, they told me after the fact and it's always unrelated to hardware - It's always something that I'm sure was just a virus issue). If I wanted something to tinker with I'd probably buy an old car (or get off my ass and do some work fixing this old house I live in up a bit). That's why the iPad is selling. *MOST* people buying them want a basic device they can use, not as a hobby. If it dies and is out of warranty they may buy another one (if they used it and liked it they will buy). Computing devices these days are a commodity more than they are for hobbyists.
So he sees what people want
Jobs doesn't see what people want, he tells them what they want.
None but a handful of people have actually wanted a tablet PC in the last 10 years. Jobs simply seems to know how to convince people they want something even if they don't really have any use for it.
WoW! People only see what Steve jobs wants them to see? And you're immune to Steve Jobs telling you what you want! Amazing! I wonder how many others out there are as good as you in resisting Steve Jobs? If Steve Jobs is *that* good at hypnotizing people, he's more than a visionary - He's a God of Mass Hypnosis! Either that or you simply think the majority of the population are idiots (which to some degree I tend to agree with, but that's beside the point).
Your reply makes absolutely no sense. You're a big boy. If you don't like Apple products don't buy them. No one is forcing you to. I think we all understand you have some free time on your hands and came to this discussion to bitch and complain about something you don't even own. You have been successful. Are you happy now?
> The iPad and iPhone never advertised nor implied that you could run any general user software.
Untrue. The specifically want people to believe this and while not explicitly stating that this is the case clearly want their potential customers to understand this to be the case. ...might be fertile ground for a big fat lawsuit.
Poppycock. You're saying Apple should make a big ol' list of things the iPad does not explicitly do. Now get a grip here - If I buy a Windows PC the manufacturer is not going to provide a big, long list of what that computer explicitly will NOT do. Apple has stated what the iPad *will* do. That's all that counts.
As is the case when anyone buys something after seeing an advertisement. It's not an issue of informed consent. People who not investigate (through spec sheets, reviews, etc.) what they plan to buy deserve exactly what they get. Saying Apple is preying on the clueless is silly.
> In terms of cars, it's like bitching that your ferrari doesn't have a trailer hitch. If you want to tow a boat, you don't get that car.
A Benz is quite capable of towing a small trailer actually.
A Benz is not a Ferrari, although if you've got the money for a Ferrari you've got the money to put a trailer hitch on it. I wonder how many Ferrari's in the world have hitches on them...
No one should pretend that the iPad is a real computer. That's tremendously dishonest.
Please define "real computer". Would it be an IBM System/370? The computer in my Bonneville? The computer in my microwave? The computer in my weather forecaster on my desk? The computer in my Mitsubishi ductless heat pump? The computer in my [very long list so why go on]? An iPad is a simple device. It has a computer in it as do many things. Some people call the iPod a computer. What's the big deal? Anyone who reads the specs knows whether they want one or not. Whether it is a computer by your definition or not it simply doesn't matter. What matters is: Does this device do what I want/need it to do for me? If it does and you can afford it you buy it. If it doesn't you don't buy it. End of story.
Another silly reply. The manufacturer is NOT actively preventing you from doing what ever you want with the hardware you buy. I've jtagged many ICs over the years and tapped into and changed code in many device chips. I've even changed the code in my Pontiac Bonneville's computer. If you want your timeclock to do something else you can do it if you have the knowledge, skills, abilities and tools. Once you buy any hardware/device you can do what ever you want with it as is the case with every electronic device including microwave ovens (as so many here are using as an example). You're probably not an electronics techie so you probably don't have the knowledge, skills, abilities and tools to do what many of us can. I suggest you go back to school.
If they want to sell it as a computer, yes, yes they are. It's an implicit part of the definition that the rest of the world has been working with for decades.
They're not selling it as a computer. They're selling it as a basic device with limited capabilities. It's not an "iComputer". It's just an iPad (a jumbo iPod). For you to categorize it as a computer is your own doing.
No one should pretend that this device is general purpose or even a general purpose web device.
As far as I can see no one is saying the iPad is anything other than a basic device with limited capabilities. No one is saying or 'pretending' anything else. What people here (obviously mostly techies) *are* doing is bitching because it's not what they, personally, want. Solution: Don't buy one.
That is just silly. You don't own one, you don't plan to ever buy one, yet you want to complain. Yes you have the right to complain, but it makes you look like a fool. Apple as a company doesn't operate the way YOU want it to so you're going to cry (complain) about it. Complain away. Check Apple stock prices. Many of us are perfectly happy with Apple in more ways than one.
One of the reasons I use Google is it filters out or degrades results from sites people like you "SEO" by gaming the system. Content and actual relevance are king. You give SEO a bad name. Not to mention your 'click fraud' statement has no basis in fact.
The NSA (and probably several law enforcement agencies) track your internet usage, and you're worried about Google?
1. Yes. 2. Yes.
Best option for privacy is don't use the internet, a cell phone or copper line phone, a credit card(s), don't own property, do live in a cabin deep in a forest with no electricity, telephone or other communications device, and no road to it. And - Live alone.
Now my Chemistry degree, that's not so useful...
I use mine to understand ingredients on product labels on food and drug commercials, mostly. ;)