Yep.. I can just hear it now... mmmmm mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmm. mmmmmmmmmm
I'd say maybe someone should hand them a big long shoehorn to remove their heads from their asses, but then we'd really have to listen to them rather than hearing muffled ass-speak.
He's famous , hell I wish i could have done something to make me that famous. If it was me i'd be having a hell of a good time with it . sure its embarrassing at first , but hell just have fun with it !.
He should just have fun with it... have the kids who initially did it gotten any recognition (beyond a lawsuit)? I haven't heard mention of them... Yes it was embarrassing... but he's gotten more from it than he probably ever thought he would.
Even if he is in StarWars Ep.3, I probably won't go see it still... lingering disappointment from Episode 2 makes chances of that slim to none.
Sure, I recently signed up here with this username... but I've been reading/. for a while.
I noticed this post: I grew up in the middle of BF nowhere, you learn these things, I have purchased 2 boxes of KD in the last year, one was given to a food drive that stopped by, the other is still on my shelf, I don't eat it, my ex-gf bought it for some reason... I do know how to survive over 2 weeks alone in the woods, even without shelter in the summer... Such is my life.
and added the link from your site (which itself is NOT too hard to find on the net... I found it during a search for the term djcl while studying for my CCNP) to the game post... so that doesn't mean I know you personally... plus if you've got a woman in her underwear on your site, the pictures date back a while, there's an assumption that two and two equal four, don't they in your world?
I digress... evidently you think I'm here to stalk you... actually no, I was just having a little fun teasing someone, from his history of posts on this site doesn't have anything else to do.. and would respond to everything said to him...
So it's been fun, but I see other posts that are calling my attention, and you won't hear from me again.
Good Luck In Life -- You'll Need it.
I know that you are refering to my site at cauze.com when you mention a community site.
Are you sure, there are OTHER comminity building sites out there that suffer from the issues as mentioned in my last post to you... that's a rather large bit of hubris there, to assume that I'm talking about you. And if you don't know what "hubris" is, look it up.
Now since you say that you make sure that those who work for you do such a bang up job, give an example I can take a look at. I never pass up an opporitunity to learn something, maybe they could help.
Sorry buddy, but we have agreements with our clients for a lot of the software we develop, and ye, while some of it is under the GPL, not all of it is. So, in that regard, I'd have to hire you to work for me, and that isn't going to happen any time soon. Now you may say, as I'm going to guess you're going to, that we don't exsist as a company, that I'm talking through my hat... anyone with any business sense would not be forwarding off code to random people on the internet. When our GPL code is ready to be deployed, perhaps we may put it up on freshmeat... that is for the future though.
My question is: Why do I have to make this nice and simple and accessible to everyone? I pay for it, I do the work on it and my friends and I use it. It works for us, with few bugs
Ok, here's a question in return - do you want others to use it? Re-read my last post and you'll see what I'm not going to say again. And if you've EVER worked technical support, you should not have the faith in the average person to "figure something out".
(even as a commercial app, I can probably find someone who knows about it)
Doubt it. The people I work with are my friends as well as co-workers, and we don't operate in the same social circles as you. Seriously, you probably wouldn't recognize any of us as programmers if you ever ran into us anyway. Our work stays at work, it doesn't run our lives. (Ok, I can't speak for our accountant in that regard) Sure, we may get a "brilliant" idea at 4am on Saturday morning, and code it then, but we have other interests beyond computers and programming... and some of us have three-dimensional families -- wives, husbands, children, significant others -- that we have to take care of.
It was nice to see an attempt to goad (look it up if you don't know) a person into coughing up code. Perhaps if you had put as much effort into finding a job as you have into this last post of yours, as well as your site, you would be employed, instead of lamenting on/. that you still can't find a job, but with your attitude, probably not.
I quote: Sure, you can write apps that do only what you want them to do, and that are utterly useless to the rest of the world, and we all do
Learn to read and to spell... and don't tell me your bad spelling is because you use linux, there are spell checker packages for most, if not all, the distros, and BSD. Or because you're a programmer... even programmers use spellcheckers....sometimes....
If you had actually read that part of my post, you'd see that I've already said what you're neeping about. We ALL write apps that are utterly useless to others just to see if we can do it.
I would not hire you in my company to be a programmer, web designer or the like. The attitude of "well, they can find their own solution" is not one that should be promoted, wether you are being paid to do it in an open or closed source enviroment, or not... and especially on the web.
If you create a, oh, lets say, community-building website for lack of a better example, wether this is out of your pocket or an employer's pocket, you want to make that app/site as easy to use as possible, new user signup clearly marked, a way for the user who fits into the category of "Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot." who can't remember that their password for the site is their own real name, and signups for communities made easy from any part of the site. As well, it has to look good from any browser, considering that the majority of the "non-geek" world is using either Windows 98 with IE 5.5, or Windows XP with IE 6... you and I might be using Moz (or similar) on another platform... but not the user that a site like that would be trying to reach as it's target audience.... of course there are the users who are using the same as we are, but I digress... so, for this, which you may have initially thought "hey, just for me and my buddies....", you now have a wider user base than just geeks, and, as that site's developer, you can't just tell your users to "find their own solution" if you expect them to use it. Of course, you will have functions that fall into the "wonder if I can do it" category, but the app/site has to be usable. The people that I employ and that are my programmers and developers, if they release anything to the outside world make sure that they have clear instructions on how to use the application, what it does (or is supposed to do) and accept feedback. Even if it never sees the light of day for users, we all forward them back and forth between each other and take what advice is offered constructively. So perhaps you should get a new attitude, and learn to accept feedback, even if the app is never used by anyone other than you and your buddies.
Usefullness is not a deciding factor for everyone out there
Fortunately, it is a deciding factor for most of the world.
Writing open source apps myself, I learned quite quickly that "usefulness" is a deciding factor when it comes to who will use it and how your app will be used. Sure, you can write apps that do only what you want them to do, and that are utterly useless to the rest of the world, and we all do, but if you're writing an app for a general audience (not just you and your buddies) usefulness and useability as well as accepting feedback and correcting issues that your users don't like (of course within reason) are major factors.
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Yep.. I can just hear it now...
mmmmm mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmm. mmmmmmmmmm
I'd say maybe someone should hand them a big long shoehorn to remove their heads from their asses, but then we'd really have to listen to them rather than hearing muffled ass-speak.
Even if he is in StarWars Ep.3, I probably won't go see it still... lingering disappointment from Episode 2 makes chances of that slim to none.
Sure, I recently signed up here with this username... but I've been reading /. for a while.
I noticed this post:
I grew up in the middle of BF nowhere, you learn these things, I have purchased 2 boxes of KD in the last year, one was given to a food drive that stopped by, the other is still on my shelf, I don't eat it, my ex-gf bought it for some reason... I do know how to survive over 2 weeks alone in the woods, even without shelter in the summer... Such is my life.
and added the link from your site (which itself is NOT too hard to find on the net... I found it during a search for the term djcl while studying for my CCNP) to the game post... so that doesn't mean I know you personally... plus if you've got a woman in her underwear on your site, the pictures date back a while, there's an assumption that two and two equal four, don't they in your world?
I digress... evidently you think I'm here to stalk you... actually no, I was just having a little fun teasing someone, from his history of posts on this site doesn't have anything else to do.. and would respond to everything said to him...
So it's been fun, but I see other posts that are calling my attention, and you won't hear from me again.
Good Luck In Life -- You'll Need it.
Are you sure, there are OTHER comminity building sites out there that suffer from the issues as mentioned in my last post to you... that's a rather large bit of hubris there, to assume that I'm talking about you. And if you don't know what "hubris" is, look it up.
Now since you say that you make sure that those who work for you do such a bang up job, give an example I can take a look at. I never pass up an opporitunity to learn something, maybe they could help.
Sorry buddy, but we have agreements with our clients for a lot of the software we develop, and ye, while some of it is under the GPL, not all of it is. So, in that regard, I'd have to hire you to work for me, and that isn't going to happen any time soon.
Now you may say, as I'm going to guess you're going to, that we don't exsist as a company, that I'm talking through my hat... anyone with any business sense would not be forwarding off code to random people on the internet. When our GPL code is ready to be deployed, perhaps we may put it up on freshmeat... that is for the future though.
My question is: Why do I have to make this nice and simple and accessible to everyone? I pay for it, I do the work on it and my friends and I use it. It works for us, with few bugs
Ok, here's a question in return - do you want others to use it? Re-read my last post and you'll see what I'm not going to say again. And if you've EVER worked technical support, you should not have the faith in the average person to "figure something out".
(even as a commercial app, I can probably find someone who knows about it)
Doubt it. The people I work with are my friends as well as co-workers, and we don't operate in the same social circles as you. Seriously, you probably wouldn't recognize any of us as programmers if you ever ran into us anyway. Our work stays at work, it doesn't run our lives. (Ok, I can't speak for our accountant in that regard) Sure, we may get a "brilliant" idea at 4am on Saturday morning, and code it then, but we have other interests beyond computers and programming... and some of us have three-dimensional families -- wives, husbands, children, significant others -- that we have to take care of.
It was nice to see an attempt to goad (look it up if you don't know) a person into coughing up code. Perhaps if you had put as much effort into finding a job as you have into this last post of yours, as well as your site, you would be employed, instead of lamenting on /. that you still can't find a job, but with your attitude, probably not.
Learn to read and to spell... and don't tell me your bad spelling is because you use linux, there are spell checker packages for most, if not all, the distros, and BSD. Or because you're a programmer... even programmers use spellcheckers....sometimes....
If you had actually read that part of my post, you'd see that I've already said what you're neeping about. We ALL write apps that are utterly useless to others just to see if we can do it.
I would not hire you in my company to be a programmer, web designer or the like. The attitude of "well, they can find their own solution" is not one that should be promoted, wether you are being paid to do it in an open or closed source enviroment, or not... and especially on the web.
If you create a, oh, lets say, community-building website for lack of a better example, wether this is out of your pocket or an employer's pocket, you want to make that app/site as easy to use as possible, new user signup clearly marked, a way for the user who fits into the category of "Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot." who can't remember that their password for the site is their own real name, and signups for communities made easy from any part of the site. As well, it has to look good from any browser, considering that the majority of the "non-geek" world is using either Windows 98 with IE 5.5, or Windows XP with IE 6... you and I might be using Moz (or similar) on another platform... but not the user that a site like that would be trying to reach as it's target audience.... of course there are the users who are using the same as we are, but I digress... so, for this, which you may have initially thought "hey, just for me and my buddies....", you now have a wider user base than just geeks, and, as that site's developer, you can't just tell your users to "find their own solution" if you expect them to use it. Of course, you will have functions that fall into the "wonder if I can do it" category, but the app/site has to be usable. The people that I employ and that are my programmers and developers, if they release anything to the outside world make sure that they have clear instructions on how to use the application, what it does (or is supposed to do) and accept feedback. Even if it never sees the light of day for users, we all forward them back and forth between each other and take what advice is offered constructively. So perhaps you should get a new attitude, and learn to accept feedback, even if the app is never used by anyone other than you and your buddies.
Fortunately, it is a deciding factor for most of the world. Writing open source apps myself, I learned quite quickly that "usefulness" is a deciding factor when it comes to who will use it and how your app will be used.
Sure, you can write apps that do only what you want them to do, and that are utterly useless to the rest of the world, and we all do, but if you're writing an app for a general audience (not just you and your buddies) usefulness and useability as well as accepting feedback and correcting issues that your users don't like (of course within reason) are major factors.
Oh, like your ex-girlfriend in one? Now that's a joke!