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completely. I don't want to see the browser go away either, it is a very useful tool. I just want to see better tools for when HTML-based applications don't cut it.
This bloat you guys are discussing is very real. Ask anyone who has tried to Web-enable an ERP system such as SAP, PeopleSoft, JDE, Oracle etc. Customers and users of these sophisticated applications have enjoyed rich interfaces to run thier business' upon for years. When they try to deploy an HTML-based version of these rich interfaces, the bandwidth bloat is simply unbelievable. Put SSL on top of that for security and the bloat gets even worse. Administrators have taken the code off the desktop, but they have opened up a whole new set of issues.
For web sites such as Amazon or Google, this is not a big deal, and HTML is the best way to go. But, for applications requiring a sophisticated GUI, HTML is not such a good solution. I think this is all we are pointing out.
Browser applications have really "dumbed down" applications and have made it tougher for true developers to deliver a sophisticated application. I too am looking forward to the "Smart App" revolution that.NET offers. From what we have seen so far, the technology is really awesome. We have run some of our sophisticated.NET EXEs right from a URL and have had success. Some even had COM/OCX controls embedded within and they seem to be installed successfully on the client machine. This new technology will give us the best of all worlds: server-side binaries, a rich presentation space for the users, and lower bandwidth requirements.
Cheers,
Mike
You said: I don't need to see F911 to know that it is nothing more than the same hack wannabe demagoguery and villification of his political targets that he's always engaged in.
This is a F911 discussion. Why are you even posting? You must get all your news from Fox and probably listen to Rush every day. No, I shouldn't jump to conclusions about your character, age etc, but close minded people are ruining this country and most don't even realize what they are voting for. The same people listening to Rush are slamming Moore as too far left. This is a joke!
Are you familiar with "Neo-conservatism" and their agenda (even before Sept 11), do a search on that word and look at what you find. This documentary on PBS is a must see It talks about what really happened after the first Gulf war and how GW Bush was hand picked to run for president to implement and press forward the Neocon agenda. The agenda would not be supported by the American people if it wern't for Sept 11. Many of my friends and I have been talking about the Neocon agenda ever since GW Bush ran for office. The word "Neocon" used to only be mentioned in the underground and by folks on the far left. But now, the word is starting to be used by all types of individuals who understand who is behind this administration and what they really stand for. I consider myself as as Independent that swings democratic because I believe in their social values and the clean separation of church and state.
I found that F911 is only the top layer on what many sources have been saying for years. Michael Moore just bundled some shock and humor around the story. The Bush Administration is really hating this movie because it presents the information in an easy "connect the dots" type of fashion where normally the dots were hard to connect from merely watching the news media every night. When some leftist folks take the theories too deep and start to speculate, this is where they start to twist the facts and the information becomes suspect. For me, I don't have to take it much deeper after I understood all the connections and the real high-level agenda of the Neocons. Again, I'll be the first one to agree that this is a partisan movie, but the information given is simply overwhelming to all people who see it, no matter what party they come from. I want to see the Republicans and the Bush Administration refute the facts of the movie with specific, intelligent answers...not just an attack on Michael Moore's character....he is not running for president. If the facts he gives cannot be discredited with intelligent rebuttal, and so far they have not, then who cares who or where they came from?
It simply amazes me how many conservative/religious folks follow Bush based on one topic; he claims to be a born-again Christian and he is an anti-abortionist. I like to quickly point out that his policies and his actions on the World stage are anything but pro-life and conservative. I firmly believe that Jesus would not agree with this administration's actions. We just can't go forward any longer openly announcing to the World that we are the "chosen people" and using words in public speeches like "Crusade". Jesus taught us to love and accept others, not to divide, label, or try to convert them. This is my main problem with organized religion....Using Christianity as an example, Jesus forged the thinking and ideas that make up the foundation of Christianity. But, humans made up all the rules from there, changed them to control the masses and/or their political agenda, and really skewed what Jesus originally stood for. This is the position held by most modern historians. This skewing and intolerance for other religions and races is responsible for the loss of more lives than anything else throughout the history of man (whether the intolerance comes from Christianity or any religion for that matter).
If you don't want to argue any of the specific facts in F911 then you a
He is a controversial schizo critic(and a drunk from what I hear) from Vanity Fair magazine...not where I like gather my political advice from. Check out some of his book titles and some of the things he has written about and what he stands for...Google it up for yourself and then tell me if you want to stand behind his opinion here. Don't be afraid of the truth. If you don't know the facts yourself, start doing some research. Don't trust Michael Moore, Rush or whomever at face value. Do the research for yourself and then see who is telling or twisting the truth.
You are arguing with vague, unspecific babble, exactly the point in my post about the far right. Care to challenge any specifics? Did you actually see the movie? Did you actually do any research....I am betting not. I just read your other posts...not very informative either. This is the vibe I am getting from you: "I'm young, I think I am a computer god...I really don't know squat, but I like to hear myself talk".
Thanks for the informative and intriguing post.
Republicans and doubters,
If you haven't seen the movie and don't know what was discussed there, why are you posting here? You Republicans are better at changing the subject and dodging specific questions by trashing the subject than any organized group known to man. This quote by the Press Secretary of the White House sums up the type of behaviour I have been seeing very well: "I don't have to see the movie to know that it is full of invalid facts..." How is anything in America ever going to change with such closed minded thinkers and the sheep that follow them?
I challenge the doubters to:
a) actually see the movie
b) understand what is being claimed
c) actually do some research on what is being claimed.
Finally, if you think you can discuss the movie's claims without seeing it, here's your quiz:
1)Who is "The Carlyle Group", who are/were the members, and what is their link to the war in Iraq?
If you think you are open minded, watch the movie at this site to find out - first 37 seconds are in Dutch
2) Have you researched the pipeline in Afganistan? Who and what companies were behind it? Who did Hamid Karzai (Afgan Interim President)work for? How were the Taliban involved?
3) How many Bush cabinet members are tied to the energy and oil business (its easier to ask who isn't)? What large oil/gas company did Condleeza Rice work for?
After you've researched these questions and viewed the video above, come back and discuss the facts that are at hand here.
Thank You,
Mike
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This bloat you guys are discussing is very real. Ask anyone who has tried to Web-enable an ERP system such as SAP, PeopleSoft, JDE, Oracle etc. Customers and users of these sophisticated applications have enjoyed rich interfaces to run thier business' upon for years. When they try to deploy an HTML-based version of these rich interfaces, the bandwidth bloat is simply unbelievable. Put SSL on top of that for security and the bloat gets even worse. Administrators have taken the code off the desktop, but they have opened up a whole new set of issues.
For web sites such as Amazon or Google, this is not a big deal, and HTML is the best way to go. But, for applications requiring a sophisticated GUI, HTML is not such a good solution. I think this is all we are pointing out.
MikeBrowser applications have really "dumbed down" applications and have made it tougher for true developers to deliver a sophisticated application. I too am looking forward to the "Smart App" revolution that .NET offers. From what we have seen so far, the technology is really awesome. We have run some of our sophisticated .NET EXEs right from a URL and have had success. Some even had COM/OCX controls embedded within and they seem to be installed successfully on the client machine. This new technology will give us the best of all worlds: server-side binaries, a rich presentation space for the users, and lower bandwidth requirements.
Cheers,
Mike
You said: I don't need to see F911 to know that it is nothing more than the same hack wannabe demagoguery and villification of his political targets that he's always engaged in.
This is a F911 discussion. Why are you even posting? You must get all your news from Fox and probably listen to Rush every day. No, I shouldn't jump to conclusions about your character, age etc, but close minded people are ruining this country and most don't even realize what they are voting for. The same people listening to Rush are slamming Moore as too far left. This is a joke!
Are you familiar with "Neo-conservatism" and their agenda (even before Sept 11), do a search on that word and look at what you find. This documentary on PBS is a must see It talks about what really happened after the first Gulf war and how GW Bush was hand picked to run for president to implement and press forward the Neocon agenda. The agenda would not be supported by the American people if it wern't for Sept 11. Many of my friends and I have been talking about the Neocon agenda ever since GW Bush ran for office. The word "Neocon" used to only be mentioned in the underground and by folks on the far left. But now, the word is starting to be used by all types of individuals who understand who is behind this administration and what they really stand for. I consider myself as as Independent that swings democratic because I believe in their social values and the clean separation of church and state.
I found that F911 is only the top layer on what many sources have been saying for years. Michael Moore just bundled some shock and humor around the story. The Bush Administration is really hating this movie because it presents the information in an easy "connect the dots" type of fashion where normally the dots were hard to connect from merely watching the news media every night. When some leftist folks take the theories too deep and start to speculate, this is where they start to twist the facts and the information becomes suspect. For me, I don't have to take it much deeper after I understood all the connections and the real high-level agenda of the Neocons. Again, I'll be the first one to agree that this is a partisan movie, but the information given is simply overwhelming to all people who see it, no matter what party they come from. I want to see the Republicans and the Bush Administration refute the facts of the movie with specific, intelligent answers...not just an attack on Michael Moore's character....he is not running for president. If the facts he gives cannot be discredited with intelligent rebuttal, and so far they have not, then who cares who or where they came from?
It simply amazes me how many conservative/religious folks follow Bush based on one topic; he claims to be a born-again Christian and he is an anti-abortionist. I like to quickly point out that his policies and his actions on the World stage are anything but pro-life and conservative. I firmly believe that Jesus would not agree with this administration's actions. We just can't go forward any longer openly announcing to the World that we are the "chosen people" and using words in public speeches like "Crusade". Jesus taught us to love and accept others, not to divide, label, or try to convert them. This is my main problem with organized religion....Using Christianity as an example, Jesus forged the thinking and ideas that make up the foundation of Christianity. But, humans made up all the rules from there, changed them to control the masses and/or their political agenda, and really skewed what Jesus originally stood for. This is the position held by most modern historians. This skewing and intolerance for other religions and races is responsible for the loss of more lives than anything else throughout the history of man (whether the intolerance comes from Christianity or any religion for that matter).
If you don't want to argue any of the specific facts in F911 then you a
He is a controversial schizo critic(and a drunk from what I hear) from Vanity Fair magazine...not where I like gather my political advice from. Check out some of his book titles and some of the things he has written about and what he stands for...Google it up for yourself and then tell me if you want to stand behind his opinion here. Don't be afraid of the truth. If you don't know the facts yourself, start doing some research. Don't trust Michael Moore, Rush or whomever at face value. Do the research for yourself and then see who is telling or twisting the truth.
You are arguing with vague, unspecific babble, exactly the point in my post about the far right. Care to challenge any specifics? Did you actually see the movie? Did you actually do any research....I am betting not. I just read your other posts...not very informative either. This is the vibe I am getting from you: "I'm young, I think I am a computer god...I really don't know squat, but I like to hear myself talk". Thanks for the informative and intriguing post.
Republicans and doubters, If you haven't seen the movie and don't know what was discussed there, why are you posting here? You Republicans are better at changing the subject and dodging specific questions by trashing the subject than any organized group known to man. This quote by the Press Secretary of the White House sums up the type of behaviour I have been seeing very well: "I don't have to see the movie to know that it is full of invalid facts..." How is anything in America ever going to change with such closed minded thinkers and the sheep that follow them? I challenge the doubters to: a) actually see the movie b) understand what is being claimed c) actually do some research on what is being claimed. Finally, if you think you can discuss the movie's claims without seeing it, here's your quiz: 1)Who is "The Carlyle Group", who are/were the members, and what is their link to the war in Iraq? If you think you are open minded, watch the movie at this site to find out - first 37 seconds are in Dutch 2) Have you researched the pipeline in Afganistan? Who and what companies were behind it? Who did Hamid Karzai (Afgan Interim President)work for? How were the Taliban involved? 3) How many Bush cabinet members are tied to the energy and oil business (its easier to ask who isn't)? What large oil/gas company did Condleeza Rice work for? After you've researched these questions and viewed the video above, come back and discuss the facts that are at hand here. Thank You, Mike