Haha good points(about what follows from my logic,) thanks:-)
But when it comes to nutrition, how far off are we from other animals?
Seriously in America, there's this idea that if you don't eat dairy you won't be healthy (get osteoporosis or whatever else,) and there are other parts in the world where cows milk is not consumed and they have less osteoporosis than we do.
"Note: An extremist, to me, is someone trying to impose their extreme thoughts on another. Having extreme ideas is fine, just don't insult me for having my own ideas."
I'll bet people said the same thing about people in abolitionists, people in the civil rights movement, etc...
That's the way it goes in the real world. Meat eaters can talk all the trash they want, and it's acceptable.
A vegan tries anything and it's "flamebait"
What does that mean?
No animal on Earth drinks milk of another species at all, and none even drink milk of their own species past infancy. What makes you think cows milk even needs to be replaced?
It should NOT be part of a human diet in the first place.
Soy milk is extremely common in China where they also drink cows milk, who said it's intended as a replacement?
And my guess is that your "authority" on soy milk is based on one prejudiced sip, that I've seen too many non vegans take, knowing damn well in advance that they'd say it's gross.
If you're saying that's so, it's not. Actually I think the opposite is true. That many meat eaters act exactly with that "holier-than-thou" attitude.
It just seems socially acceptable that any vegans are open to unlimited amounts of teasing, and criticism, while even the slight utterance of disagreement on the part of vegans, is considered what you described.
It's sad to see such ignorance displayed on all places... a science web page! The statement in and of itself is meaningless, because taste is subjective, I personally think meat smells, looks and tastes disgusting. But that means nothing to you if you think the opposite, right?
I'll bet slave owners reacted to abolitionists the same meat eaters do now to animal rights activists. That is not to say that mistreating a pig is nearly as bad as mistreating a person.
That xmission site that many people quote as a defense to veganism I admit is funny and sounds like it might be one step closer to the truth. Unfortunately it is just a display of ignorance. Veganism is not about eliminating suffering (which is impossible) rather minimizing it, think Utilitarianism. So guess what? The whole thing about rabbits getting killed in wheat fields is totally consistent with veganism! A well known fact to those who have studied ecology in the least, is that the higher up on the food chain you go, the more energy is lost to metabolic processes and waste. This translates to, by directly eating that wheat (like vegans do,) rather than feeding it to cows (like meat eaters do,) the amount of wheat eaten is minimized, hence the number of rabbits squished or torn to pieces is minimized, which is totally consistent with veganism. I'll admit, the "guilt-free" thing, is inaccurate because everything comes with a price, including vegan food. But to say that this disproves such an incredible way of thinking as veganism is ridiculous.
A common misperception is that vegans and vegetarians are stupid because they value life no matter how worthless it is. Many vegans will squash a fly as quickly as the next meater, which is consistent with veganism. (See below for Animal Liberation which is very Utilitarianistic.)
And for those of you who aren't totally disgusted at my vegan rantings, and are actually interested in veganism:
If you're interested in eating delicious vegan food, in Manhattan:
Angelica Kitchen and Hangawi Restaurant are two of my personal favorites.
If you're interested in veganism in general: PETA is an excellent source of information on animals rights, veganism, etc... Just try to ignore their obnoxious countenance.
If you're interested in one of the most well accepted animal rights philosophers, look around for Peter Singer, and his work Animal Liberation. His thoughts are so influential and revolutionary.
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Haha good points(about what follows from my logic,) thanks :-)
But when it comes to nutrition, how far off are we from other animals?
Seriously in America, there's this idea that if you don't eat dairy you won't be healthy (get osteoporosis or whatever else,) and there are other parts in the world where cows milk is not consumed and they have less osteoporosis than we do.
"Note: An extremist, to me, is someone trying to impose their extreme thoughts on another. Having extreme ideas is fine, just don't insult me for having my own ideas." I'll bet people said the same thing about people in abolitionists, people in the civil rights movement, etc...
That's the way it goes in the real world. Meat eaters can talk all the trash they want, and it's acceptable. A vegan tries anything and it's "flamebait"
What does that mean? No animal on Earth drinks milk of another species at all, and none even drink milk of their own species past infancy. What makes you think cows milk even needs to be replaced? It should NOT be part of a human diet in the first place. Soy milk is extremely common in China where they also drink cows milk, who said it's intended as a replacement? And my guess is that your "authority" on soy milk is based on one prejudiced sip, that I've seen too many non vegans take, knowing damn well in advance that they'd say it's gross.
If you're saying that's so, it's not. Actually I think the opposite is true. That many meat eaters act exactly with that "holier-than-thou" attitude. It just seems socially acceptable that any vegans are open to unlimited amounts of teasing, and criticism, while even the slight utterance of disagreement on the part of vegans, is considered what you described.
It's sad to see such ignorance displayed on all places... a science web page! The statement in and of itself is meaningless, because taste is subjective, I personally think meat smells, looks and tastes disgusting. But that means nothing to you if you think the opposite, right? I'll bet slave owners reacted to abolitionists the same meat eaters do now to animal rights activists. That is not to say that mistreating a pig is nearly as bad as mistreating a person. That xmission site that many people quote as a defense to veganism I admit is funny and sounds like it might be one step closer to the truth. Unfortunately it is just a display of ignorance. Veganism is not about eliminating suffering (which is impossible) rather minimizing it, think Utilitarianism. So guess what? The whole thing about rabbits getting killed in wheat fields is totally consistent with veganism! A well known fact to those who have studied ecology in the least, is that the higher up on the food chain you go, the more energy is lost to metabolic processes and waste. This translates to, by directly eating that wheat (like vegans do,) rather than feeding it to cows (like meat eaters do,) the amount of wheat eaten is minimized, hence the number of rabbits squished or torn to pieces is minimized, which is totally consistent with veganism. I'll admit, the "guilt-free" thing, is inaccurate because everything comes with a price, including vegan food. But to say that this disproves such an incredible way of thinking as veganism is ridiculous. A common misperception is that vegans and vegetarians are stupid because they value life no matter how worthless it is. Many vegans will squash a fly as quickly as the next meater, which is consistent with veganism. (See below for Animal Liberation which is very Utilitarianistic.) And for those of you who aren't totally disgusted at my vegan rantings, and are actually interested in veganism: If you're interested in eating delicious vegan food, in Manhattan: Angelica Kitchen and Hangawi Restaurant are two of my personal favorites. If you're interested in veganism in general: PETA is an excellent source of information on animals rights, veganism, etc... Just try to ignore their obnoxious countenance. If you're interested in one of the most well accepted animal rights philosophers, look around for Peter Singer, and his work Animal Liberation. His thoughts are so influential and revolutionary.