Yeah, normally I let people believe whatever they want and leave them be. His articles though are so extremist that I have to poke fun at them pretty regularly on here. Thankfully, Slashdot generally doesn't carry his stories anymore.
The hilarious part is that I try to troll sometimes in stories like this and the mods actually put up with it. I think it is mostly because we are positively saturated with iPhone articles.
I thought the iPhone was going to be REVOLUTIONARY! I've never felt so empowered about a product launch! (Well, there was that one time when I was really big into Rage Against the Machine, and I considered myself acutely aware of the injustice around the world.) Maybe I need to stop reading RoughlyDrafted so much...
If this is just meant as an SDK, then most of my complaints are totally invalid. However, I do not see it presented that way on the Apple site: "the world's best browser" it claims. Not the best browser for iPhone developers. I really think this is a sort of cognitive backpedaling on lots of people's part to make up for the several deficiencies that Safari has demonstrated in its short stay over in the fun world of Windows. (sarcasm) The range of arguments I've heard only serve to strengthen this point, because some say that it is the first of many applications to come to Windows. This is a good thing.
If Safari wants to be a serious contender in the browser arena, then it has serious polish work to do, beta or not. (A hyped beta release might as well be a real release.)
It astounds me that Apple flips the bird to all of the Windows UI conventions for marketing purposes and nobody seems to care. Everything from their own anti-aliasing algorithm for text, their own custom widgets, to windows that you can only resize from the right corner. Of course, many legit Windows applications do the same thing, but it seems highly hypocritical of Apple to say, "you should stick to conventions when designing UIs" and then hardcode their own ideas in when developing on another platform.
It is ridiculous how many vendors insist on ignoring platform conventions for no good reason whatsoever. Why does every application have to have a God complex and say, "I'm so great, I'll put shortcuts in your start menu, quick launch, two tray icons (including an autoupdater) and now I have a custom UI so I look special." Whatever happened to programs just doing their job in an unobtrusive manner?
Give Daniel Eran at RoughlyDrafted a day or two to give us a six page analysis of why this article is completely wrong, complete with plenty of graphs, Photoshopped pictures of Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer in compromising positions, and plenty of vacuous claims that this article is yet another in a long series by the Microsoft-loving mass media.
I know Windows apps aren't known for conforming to the OS standards (in the guise of sticking out) but I can't say I'm impressed with the brushed metal look being mandated on Safari. I wouldn't mention it if you could disable it. But no, you *have* to use this one skin! Not only does it look out of place on my desktop, but the menu text is antialiased where it shouldn't be - I don't use anti-aliasing because I prefer the higher contrast. In fact, all of the fonts in Safari are funky. The text is much thicker than Firefox. Plus, all the form widgets on websites are OS X-style, which, again, isn't the OS it is running on. The other thing that threw me severely is you can only resize the window from the lower right, not from any edge of the window. (Regardless of which approach you think is better, going against the conventions of the host OS generally only hurts the users.)
Now, when I get in a heated debate that approaches fisticuffs over the prices of personal computers, I have a reference which will assure me victory. I merely need only bait my opponent into saying, "but Apple computers are so much more expensive!" Then, I pull the trigger, and navigate to the article. I will strike Darth Vader down with a single stroke of logic from this Slashdot post and shall rescue the galaxy from this horrible, horrible misconception that plagues the minds of so many. Then a new empire shall be ushered in...
I can't wait to read all sorts of interesting theories on how this will really work from people who have never been inside Microsoft, yet feel the need to 'enlighten' us with their ignorance. In order to help us positively identify people most participating in groupthink, please use one or more of the following memes so we can divvy out moderation points faster:
In the meantime, I'm curious who took the job, because people will hate them for no reason now. Ah zealotry, without thee, what would I do on this site?
They took the bold step of giving away Visual Studio for free and removing a few features. Now, they've got their panties in a knot because someone has found a way to make add-ins work in the express version, and, they shouldn't. Microsoft made a mistake if they assumed the license agreement would deter people from doing this sort of thing. Besides, they've already given a huge part of the program away, why NOT give the add-in functionality away as well? You'd think add-in creators should be behind Jamie - their potential market opens up quite a bit! Unfortunately, things like this show that Microsoft continually fails to see the value in cultivating a hobbyist community.
Hell, I went to a MSDN talk and watched some goober drag and drop form controls for two hours just so I could get a copy of Visual Studio 2005 Standard edition. Somehow I deserve it more than Joe Random, who has to limp along with the crippled Express edition. It doesn't make any sense.
Maybe we can reform and be the Damn Small Linux Empire. Got a ring to it, don't you think? We're hip, we're agile, we can keep up with the kids and their trendy methodologies!
This is wonderful news, nobody is upgrading to Vista! Just like Luke Skywalker, now we can assault the M$ Death Star, overload the reactor, causing a chain reaction that will destroy it from the inside out! Then, we can bring about a New Empire, this one based around the Almighty Ubuntu!
I run Microsoft Windows XP SP2, so I am safe. IE users can simply disable JavaScript in the control panel - any user of closed source knows how to do that! Plus, they don't even have to go to the web site. Microsoft will fix the bug by the next Tuesday of the next month, which is an AMAZING response time, don't you think! The best thing about closed source is you don't have hackers accessing it!
Now, as far as Firefox, that STUPID Mozilla Foundation makes some of the most amateur mistakes! They can't even forsee these sorts of bugs! What sort of poor excuse for a QA department do they have over there? I bet they employ high school kids just learning C to write their code for them. And, plus, they have the gall to be open source! I despise them with every ounce of my very being. Everything they do makes my blood boil!
Vista is the most absolute evil thing ever to walk the face of the Earth. I heard it eats babies on a regular basis, clubs old ladies when they try to cross the street, and keys every car it can get ahold of. Then, it rips the tags off all your mattresses, tips 12% at restaurants, and tells you to vote Republican.
Note: I haven't actually used it. But, I heard somebody on a random forum say something to effect of that, so it must be true. Remember, you don't need to cite your sources if people agree with you!
No, see, it's okay when Google does it, because they said they would "do no evil." And we believe them! They're a big company whose name isn't Microsoft, so we automatically love them without questioning!
I don't know what to think now! Choosing an operating system is a very serious matter of the highest concern, indeed, a matter of life or death. And to think that these two people have the gall to be civil to each other? They are making a complete mockery of everything we hold dear here! I cannot stand by and let myself watch in an idle manner while they trivialize one of the most epic battles by their 'jokes' and 'conversation'. It is tantamount to Yoda hanging out with Darth Vader! The only explanation is that Jobs has sold out to the dark side!
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Yeah, normally I let people believe whatever they want and leave them be. His articles though are so extremist that I have to poke fun at them pretty regularly on here. Thankfully, Slashdot generally doesn't carry his stories anymore.
The hilarious part is that I try to troll sometimes in stories like this and the mods actually put up with it. I think it is mostly because we are positively saturated with iPhone articles.
You're destroying my very worldview when you say such terrible things! Please stop, I don't know what to do with myself if you continue!
I thought the iPhone was going to be REVOLUTIONARY! I've never felt so empowered about a product launch! (Well, there was that one time when I was really big into Rage Against the Machine, and I considered myself acutely aware of the injustice around the world.) Maybe I need to stop reading RoughlyDrafted so much...
Responding en masse here.
If this is just meant as an SDK, then most of my complaints are totally invalid. However, I do not see it presented that way on the Apple site: "the world's best browser" it claims. Not the best browser for iPhone developers. I really think this is a sort of cognitive backpedaling on lots of people's part to make up for the several deficiencies that Safari has demonstrated in its short stay over in the fun world of Windows. (sarcasm) The range of arguments I've heard only serve to strengthen this point, because some say that it is the first of many applications to come to Windows. This is a good thing.
If Safari wants to be a serious contender in the browser arena, then it has serious polish work to do, beta or not. (A hyped beta release might as well be a real release.)
My apartment is NOT broken, thankyouverymuch!
It astounds me that Apple flips the bird to all of the Windows UI conventions for marketing purposes and nobody seems to care. Everything from their own anti-aliasing algorithm for text, their own custom widgets, to windows that you can only resize from the right corner. Of course, many legit Windows applications do the same thing, but it seems highly hypocritical of Apple to say, "you should stick to conventions when designing UIs" and then hardcode their own ideas in when developing on another platform.
It is ridiculous how many vendors insist on ignoring platform conventions for no good reason whatsoever. Why does every application have to have a God complex and say, "I'm so great, I'll put shortcuts in your start menu, quick launch, two tray icons (including an autoupdater) and now I have a custom UI so I look special." Whatever happened to programs just doing their job in an unobtrusive manner?
Give Daniel Eran at RoughlyDrafted a day or two to give us a six page analysis of why this article is completely wrong, complete with plenty of graphs, Photoshopped pictures of Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer in compromising positions, and plenty of vacuous claims that this article is yet another in a long series by the Microsoft-loving mass media.
Don't let me down, RD.
It is filed under the Your Rights Online category! You're not allowed to bring logic into these articles!
I know Windows apps aren't known for conforming to the OS standards (in the guise of sticking out) but I can't say I'm impressed with the brushed metal look being mandated on Safari. I wouldn't mention it if you could disable it. But no, you *have* to use this one skin! Not only does it look out of place on my desktop, but the menu text is antialiased where it shouldn't be - I don't use anti-aliasing because I prefer the higher contrast. In fact, all of the fonts in Safari are funky. The text is much thicker than Firefox. Plus, all the form widgets on websites are OS X-style, which, again, isn't the OS it is running on. The other thing that threw me severely is you can only resize the window from the lower right, not from any edge of the window. (Regardless of which approach you think is better, going against the conventions of the host OS generally only hurts the users.)
I can't wait to get bulletins from a game console! "Hey everyone, I got my firmware updated today! Check it out!"
That'd be because I agree with him.
Now, when I get in a heated debate that approaches fisticuffs over the prices of personal computers, I have a reference which will assure me victory. I merely need only bait my opponent into saying, "but Apple computers are so much more expensive!" Then, I pull the trigger, and navigate to the article. I will strike Darth Vader down with a single stroke of logic from this Slashdot post and shall rescue the galaxy from this horrible, horrible misconception that plagues the minds of so many. Then a new empire shall be ushered in...
I can't wait to read all sorts of interesting theories on how this will really work from people who have never been inside Microsoft, yet feel the need to 'enlighten' us with their ignorance. In order to help us positively identify people most participating in groupthink, please use one or more of the following memes so we can divvy out moderation points faster:
* Ballmer throwing chairs
* Embrace, extend, extinguish
* Clippy hate
* Funny BSOD jokes
In the meantime, I'm curious who took the job, because people will hate them for no reason now. Ah zealotry, without thee, what would I do on this site?
But, if you regard hope as a myth then you are most certainly depressed.
I hope you're kidding, but it doesn't look like it. He's mocking everyone who takes their Microsoft hate seriously.
This is why big corporations suck.
They took the bold step of giving away Visual Studio for free and removing a few features. Now, they've got their panties in a knot because someone has found a way to make add-ins work in the express version, and, they shouldn't. Microsoft made a mistake if they assumed the license agreement would deter people from doing this sort of thing. Besides, they've already given a huge part of the program away, why NOT give the add-in functionality away as well? You'd think add-in creators should be behind Jamie - their potential market opens up quite a bit! Unfortunately, things like this show that Microsoft continually fails to see the value in cultivating a hobbyist community.
Hell, I went to a MSDN talk and watched some goober drag and drop form controls for two hours just so I could get a copy of Visual Studio 2005 Standard edition. Somehow I deserve it more than Joe Random, who has to limp along with the crippled Express edition. It doesn't make any sense.
I have to make fun of people who define themselves by what they buy. And you should too.
Maybe we can reform and be the Damn Small Linux Empire. Got a ring to it, don't you think? We're hip, we're agile, we can keep up with the kids and their trendy methodologies!
This is wonderful news, nobody is upgrading to Vista! Just like Luke Skywalker, now we can assault the M$ Death Star, overload the reactor, causing a chain reaction that will destroy it from the inside out! Then, we can bring about a New Empire, this one based around the Almighty Ubuntu!
Who is with me?
I run Microsoft Windows XP SP2, so I am safe. IE users can simply disable JavaScript in the control panel - any user of closed source knows how to do that! Plus, they don't even have to go to the web site. Microsoft will fix the bug by the next Tuesday of the next month, which is an AMAZING response time, don't you think! The best thing about closed source is you don't have hackers accessing it!
Now, as far as Firefox, that STUPID Mozilla Foundation makes some of the most amateur mistakes! They can't even forsee these sorts of bugs! What sort of poor excuse for a QA department do they have over there? I bet they employ high school kids just learning C to write their code for them. And, plus, they have the gall to be open source! I despise them with every ounce of my very being. Everything they do makes my blood boil!
Friends don't let friends install MZ junk!
Incredible. Thank you for telling me that it isn't OK when Google does things to harm people.
Can you show me where Microsoft does these things gleefully? Proof would consist of evil cackles recorded in MP3 files. Good luck.
(I'm no apologist, I only make fun of the groupthink around here.)
Vista is the most absolute evil thing ever to walk the face of the Earth. I heard it eats babies on a regular basis, clubs old ladies when they try to cross the street, and keys every car it can get ahold of. Then, it rips the tags off all your mattresses, tips 12% at restaurants, and tells you to vote Republican.
Note: I haven't actually used it. But, I heard somebody on a random forum say something to effect of that, so it must be true. Remember, you don't need to cite your sources if people agree with you!
No, see, it's okay when Google does it, because they said they would "do no evil." And we believe them! They're a big company whose name isn't Microsoft, so we automatically love them without questioning!
Let's not be ridiculous, y'know?
I don't know what to think now! Choosing an operating system is a very serious matter of the highest concern, indeed, a matter of life or death. And to think that these two people have the gall to be civil to each other? They are making a complete mockery of everything we hold dear here! I cannot stand by and let myself watch in an idle manner while they trivialize one of the most epic battles by their 'jokes' and 'conversation'. It is tantamount to Yoda hanging out with Darth Vader! The only explanation is that Jobs has sold out to the dark side!